From "Iraq Protesters Break Into U.S. Embassy Compound in Baghdad/President Trump blamed Iran after demonstrators breached the compound’s outer wall and lit fires. Tensions are high after American airstrikes killed 24 members of an Iraqi militia backed by Iran" (NYT).
Trump's response:
Iran killed an American contractor, wounding many. We strongly responded, and always will. Now Iran is orchestrating an attack on the U.S. Embassy in Iraq. They will be held fully responsible. In addition, we expect Iraq to use its forces to protect the Embassy, and so notified!
— Donald J. Trump (@realDonaldTrump) December 31, 2019
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How could this happen? Didn’t we spend a small fortune building that embassy? Where were the Marines? What were their defense orders?
This is a giant fuck up.
“Iraq protesters” but likely not Iraqi protesters.
The Middle East is the most fucked up place on Earth and it will remain fucked up; probably forever. Why? Islam and tribalism. They kill because that’s what their tribe does.
Now that we have our own oil, let them chop each other’s heads off.
Israel is the only sane place in the Middle East.
Iran has been menacing and attacking the U.S. for my entire life. The fact that they still have a military is a sick joke on humanity. Well done, U.N.
I would like to see some more accurate nomenclature for these "demonstrators" and "protesters." Once they cross the line into breaking into a building and setting fires inside, I think "terrorists" comes closer to the mark.
All I want to hear from Trump is who got fired for lying to him about the fake Syrian gas attacks.
The Neo-Cons will stop at nothing to keep is at war in the Middle-East. They also know expanding that war will separate Trump from his base, and will lose the election.
"Protesters broke in". An interesting take on the occurrence of riotous behavior. Just like Portland, Baltimore etc. etc.? Carrying signs and chanting? They met with the authorities to hash out the reforms? Asking for a friend.
Maybe if we just sent Iran a lot of money like Barack Hussein Obama did, everything would be grovey.
Recently, there have been demonstrations (some violent) against Iran in Iraqi cities. Yesterday, there were violent demonstrations in favor of Iran and against the United States. This is more about who gets power in Iraq than about anything the U.S. has done.
Was it "largely peaceful"?
"American airstrikes killed 24 members of an Iraqi militia backed by Iran."
That's what you call "a good start."
I think that Iran is trying to engender an emotional knee jerk response. The only way out for Iran is to provoke a military battle with the US where they can get the UN or EU to get the mediating role. Good on Trump for not going off half cocked. He needs to turn this into a joke and insult them, then stack on some more sanctions. Sending non military folks home and having deeper security would cover his ass on the competency side.
Protesters...
Our media uses that phrase when they don't know what's going on.
And when they know EXACTLY what's going on.
More likely the former than the latter in this case.
Iran seems pretty desperate.
The more things change.....
I spent Christmas of ‘79 sitting in a Destroyer off the coast of Iran after the Shaw was deposed.
Death to America indeed.
Iranian rent a mob, who have been targeting the real protesters.
Iran diversion from Iran internal problems. The more obvious the response they get, the better they'll like it. Foreign enemy rhetoric.
It's time to use cruise missiles and smart bombs to systematically convert every member of Iran's Guardian Council and Assembly of Experts into martyrs.
I'm interested to see how the media frames this...was there a YouTube video involved?
How is this different than what ANTIFA and other Democratic Party supported groups do in the US every month?
Rhhardin observes: Iran diversion from Iran internal problems. The more obvious the response they get, the better they'll like it. Foreign enemy rhetoric.
Bingo. Tehran regime may be teetering on tottering any day now. Refocus blame on US.
I think the US is in pretty good shape. China has the norks, Russia has Turks and Iran. The US has everything else except Germany and France.
Correction. Except for Germany, France, and the US media.
Thank Jimmy Carter. That sanctimonious bastard created the mess - Shah bad!
I see nothing wrong in President Trump's response, but I wish we were out of there. It's hard to arrange equitable settlements when dealing with homicidal maniacs.
Protesters? What are their demands? Send in a crack team of negotiators to give those protesters everything they want. Is George Bridges available? He has been brilliant at Evergreen State.
Gosh, I hope this incident doesn't lead to some Iranian navel vessels being introduced to the bottom of the ocean.
Because that would be a shame.
Having to spend some of that pallet cash on rebuilding ships and ports may help refocus the mind on other, less hazardous, hobbies for the Iranian regime.
The kataeb Hezbollah, has been busy beating real protesters. they kidnapped seven marines back in 2007,
You just can't keep it up, can you? You talk some sense for a while, people wonder why AA pushes the button on you, then all of a sudden you erupt in vicious incoherence. Like Guildofcannonballs...No, that's not fair. GoC is just drunk. You've been drinking the gasoline that they use to process the cocaine.
Browndog at 7:20 AM
All I want to hear from Trump is who got fired for lying to him about the fake Syrian gas attacks.
President Trump still believes those lies.
PDT's communications are so effective, so consequential here...I wonder what his/the US's capability is to be heard/read/understood in Iraq. Significantly, as compared to Iranian and Iranian-controlled Iraqi communications.
I agree with Dave Begley. How did they get into that fortress?
This is reminiscent of the NVA and the Saigon embassy. I'm sure that was the intent.
Call Chief Gallagher. We need one of his Dirty Harry jobs done. After that we can eliminate him for being mean to the enemy.
These are not civilian protesters.
This is Benghazi 2.0
"Iranian Militias broke into the heavily guarded compound of the United States Embassy in Baghdad on Tuesday and lit fires inside..."
FIFY
I agree with Dave Begley. How did they get into that fortress?
Inside help from Iraqi contractors?
I have a friend in Iraq right now (military contractor). He can't say where he is located, but he is an IT expert. Baghdad would be a good guess. He will be back in a couple of months and I will ask him about what's going on there.
Trump's not gonna let another Benghazi happen or another Iran hostage situation.
Those are the specialties of Democrats.
Benghazi 1.1 They didn't kill anyone with the fires.
Swede wrote, "Gosh, I hope this incident doesn't lead to some Iranian navel vessels being introduced to the bottom of the ocean.
Because that would be a shame.
Having to spend some of that pallet cash on rebuilding ships and ports may help refocus the mind on other, less hazardous, hobbies for the Iranian regime."
Thanks Swede for reminding us how insane it was for Obama to give those Iranian criminals all that money.
In a way, I hope Iran starts messing with us and Trump retaliates with brutal and unrelenting force. That would send a clear message to China and Russia not to fuck with us.
I am so, so sick of the Middle East. Those people are completely and totally insane. I know I've been using the word "insane" much lately but how else to describe their behavior? One never sees much discussion on the whole Sunni-Shia shit. I saw an "expert" on C-Span try to explain it once and it made no sense other than the other tribe is on the other side so we hate them so much that we have to be in perpetual war with them. How fucked up is that?
Get out, then raze every goddamned thing we built there. Top it off with a small nuclear device in Mecca, they can keep Medina...if they’re nice.
Anytime they raise their goddamned filthy heads bomb something else into the sand.
William said...
I see nothing wrong in President Trump's response,..
The incident with the private contractor took place near Kirkurk.
Why are we bombing targets 230 miles away in Syria?
You know why.
I had to read Trump's tweet twice to understand it. So, someone attacked the US Embassy in IRAQ, and Trump believes IRAN "orchestrated" it.
This is what isolationism looks like. LOL!
“Iraqi militia backed by Iran” <=== WTF
That would be “Iranian militia” if they’re doing Iran’s bidding.
I'm shocked! Because this embassy got a 4.4 rating on google!
United States Embassy Baghdad
Kindi St, Baghdad, Iraq
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"It’s blocking a very important highway and don’t let me start with the concrete walls that is spread for 5 KM around the building . it is very frustrating"
Watch what (neo-isolationist?) Douglas Macgregor has to say about the raid starting @1:06.
https://www.foxnews.com/media/col-macgregor-trump-the-only-thing-standing-between-us-and-another-pointless-war
Not sure what to make of his arguments against the strikes, specifically that the targets were far afield of the source of the rocket attack and that the militias were fighting Isis and protecting Christians.
The US airstrikes were a stupid and counterproductive response that were guaranteed to flame anti-American sentiment within Iraq. Allow me to offer a much simper, less costly strategy for protecting American security interests: don't be in Iraq or Syria.
Helpful Hint: Trump isn’t Jemmah Caattr.
“Maybe if we just sent Iran a lot of money like Barack Hussein Obama did, everything would be grovey”
I think you misspelled “groveling”, Allen.
Is John Kerry still advising Iran behind the scenes?
Birches said...
I'm interested to see how the media frames this...was there a YouTube video involved?
12/31/19, 8:14 AM
No need. They aren't attacking the embassy of saint Obama, but one of the bad orange man.
An oldie, but a goodie; “Bushes fault”.
JRoberts said...
Is John Kerry still advising Iran behind the scenes?
Insane, isn't it?
an attack on an embassy is an attack on that embassies country soil. it requires a response of force. not letters.
Oh no, another commenter throwing a tantrum.
Here's raw video and information not filtered through American news.
It will strike some as .....familiar.
If you're not rooting for Trump now you're an idiot. I hope the motherfuker is successful even if it helps him win re-election those motherfukers attacking our embassy need to be dealt with with extreme prejudice never forget Beirut 1983
an attack on an embassy is an attack on that embassies country soil. it requires a response of force. not letters.
Right. More escalation. Just what we need.
The Iraqi Muslim population is approximately 2/3 Shiite and 1/3 Sunni. So Saddam Hussein, a Sunni, was effectively holding back the Shiite hordes and Iranian domination while he was in power. Killing him was probably a huge mistake.
J. Farmer said...
The US airstrikes were a stupid and counterproductive response that were guaranteed to flame anti-American sentiment within Iraq. Allow me to offer a much simper, less costly strategy for protecting American security interests: don't be in Iraq or Syria.
12/31/19, 9:40 AM
It's an embassy.
Now the anti war people don't even want us to have embassies in other countries?
And here I was told the anti war folks werent isolationists.
And then there are the run-away September 10 libertarians advocating to make things worse.
Howard said...
If you're not rooting for Trump now you're an idiot. I hope the motherfuker is successful even if it helps him win re-election those motherfukers attacking our embassy need to be dealt with with extreme prejudice never forget Beirut 1983
12/31/19, 10:06 AM
Or 1979. Pepperidge Farm remembers.
It's good to see you CAN act like a man. Or are you just trolling aroused by this cynical manipulation? If PDT can get YOU onside with a little embassy-burning then, being the horrible bastard some say he is, surely he'd burn (connive at burning) a hundred embassies a day. Aren't you too hip and savvy to be trollcucked like this? But I shouldn't chap your ass for you when you're right.
BTW if you have any visibility/knowledge about 1983, would discuss a related Stolen Valor issue with you, you might could help.
Blogger J. Farmer said...
an attack on an embassy is an attack on that embassies country soil. it requires a response of force. not letters.
Right. More escalation. Just what we need.
FFS nobody is asking YOU for a damn thing, Sir Robin. Just bend over and spread your cheeks for it if that's what you like.
The Iranian Mullahs just walked into a Trump Trap. The Space Force can now take out their nuclear sites with weapons that have not been used since the Nork's Mountain Laboratory collapsed from "an earthquake."
rcocean said...
I had to read Trump's tweet twice to understand it. So, someone attacked the US Embassy in IRAQ, and Trump believes IRAN "orchestrated" it.
This confuses you?
Wince: "Not sure what to make of his arguments against the strikes, specifically that the targets were far afield of the source of the rocket attack and that the militias were fighting Isis and protecting Christians."
Its very straightforward.
If the rationale for the strikes is retaliation for the killing of a contractor then why weren't the response attacks targeted at appropriate local targets instead of escalating across a broad range of targets at higher strategic levels?
We already know the Neo-Con holdovers and establishment Pentagon/CIA types want a direct escalation with Iran leading to a broad new ME wide conflict instead of Trumps desire for asymmetrical responses which target Iran financially and make it harder for the mullahs to survive their economic crisis.
And these are the Shias that were whacking ISIS!
Wince,
Re protecting Christians, from browndog's link:
Mike
@Doranimated
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24m
Ryan al-Kildani, leader of the Babylon Movement, an Iraqi Chaldean Christian militia, applauds the embassy attack. He's tied to the Iran-backed Badr militia run by Hadi al-Ameri. Iran has created Christian and Sunni clients, so as to look ecumenical.
Quote Tweet
Ryan Chaldean ريان الكلداني
@ChaldeanRyan
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كم يحلو لي الوقوف هنا، حيث لا ارتجاج او التباس في البوصلة، هنا حيث يطيب الغضب على أصل البلاء والإرهاب. على عدو نهب بلادي وآثارها وقتل شيبها وشبابها. هنا تتوحد الحناجر العراقية وتصرخ عن كل ألم أصابنا وكل دم ذرفناه: يحيا العراق والموت لأعداء العراق ولسياسة ترامب الرعناء.
Good god people. The labels are meaningless in this context, especially the labels Good Guys and Bad Guys.
If we don't have official Americans out of that whole region--soon and completely--we are likely to find ourselves trying to do a Saigon out of Kabul in a few years. There simply is no rational secular reason for the presence of US military in Central Asia or Mesopotamia; whether Sunni, Shia, or ex-Sov, they should be left to sort out their own affairs under the tutelage of mostly rational and mostly secular Russia and China.
Narr
Admittedly, rational and secular are high bars nowadays
Nichevo I disagree with J Farmer, however his opinion has merits in other situations. BTW, You homophillia is showing, NTTAWWT
rcocean: "This is what isolationism looks like. LOL!"
Please explain why an "isolationist" would embark on large military buildups, expanding our fleets, running Carrier Strike Groups thru the Taiwan Straights as Force Demonstrations, leveling sanctions against Germany/Nordstream 2 to keep Putin from collecting more Euros, etc etc etc.
rcocean, do you realize just how dumb you look when you post such superficially incorrect nonsense like that?
1) The US bombs Iran-backed forces in Syria and Iraq.
2) Iran's Revolutionary Guard vows vengeance for the US action.
3) Militias known to be backed by Iran attack a US embassy.
rcocean proceeds to be confused as to how Iran might be thought to be behind it.
rcocean then, upon reading a book of US history, discovered Pearl Harbor is in Hawaii, and was confused as to why anybody blamed Japan for it.
Hezbollah militia storm U.S. embassy, chant "Death to America" while screaming "we will not spare one life" of Americans inside the embassy.
America's most trusted news source:
Hundreds of Iraqi mourners tried to storm the United States Embassy in Baghdad, shouting “Down, down USA!,” in response to deadly American airstrikes this week that killed 25 fighters
— The New York Times (@nytimes) December 31, 2019
I don't know. People are all about how the stereotypes about Jews have some foundation in fact. Does homosexuality equate with submissiveness or other complementary/oppositional/related character traits?
BUMBLE BEE
"Hooray for our side!"
For entertainment purposes only:
Ben Rhodes
Verified account @brhodes
Trump sanctions on Iran have done nothing to change Iranian behavior except make it worse. This is what happens when your foreign policy is based on Obama envy, domestic politics, Saudi interests, and magical right wing thinking.
The response:
Sebastian Gorka DrG
Verified account @SebGorka
2h2 hours ago
Sebastian Gorka DrG Retweeted Ben Rhodes
You were the architect of @BarackObama’s Iran Deal that gave $140 BILLION to a nation that is that largest state sponsor of terrorism.
You should be in prison for “Material Support to Terrorism.”
Get back into your hole you traitor.
waiting for Susan Rice and Marie Harf to weigh in...
Narr,
If we don't have official Americans out of that whole region--soon and completely--we are likely to find ourselves trying to do a Saigon out of Kabul in a few years.
Completely meaning no embassies, because of course they'd be attacked. Why not?
"Please explain why an "isolationist" would embark on large military buildups, expanding our fleets, running Carrier Strike Groups t"
Yeah, that's right dummy. That's why my comment has "LOL" after it. Ordinarily I wouldn't even respond, but I'm bored at work.
I'm interested to see how the media frames this...was there a YouTube video involved?
...
waiting for Susan Rice and Marie Harf to weigh in...
We need to pull all troops out of the Middle East and advise all those subhuman scum that every Americsn killed by a terrorist will be repaid by a thousand dead Mooselimbs.
@Browndog:
Gorka is a goofball. Ignoring Rhodes obvious partisan bullshit, there is a kernel of truth to his statement. The so called "maximum pressure" campaign has not achieved much in terms of containing Iran's behavior.
It's difficult to contain a crazy DeathCult. Rewarding them is no answer.
Glenn Reynolds has the right idea a few years ago; flamethrowers.
Hopefully our people were packing.
This shit worked in ‘79. 2020 is going to be interesting.
Blogger J. Farmer said...
@Browndog:
Gorka is a goofball. Ignoring Rhodes obvious partisan bullshit, there is a kernel of truth to his statement. The so called "maximum pressure" campaign has not achieved much in terms of containing Iran's behavior.
The axiom "liberals always side with America's enemies. Always." ...holds up.
Curiously, I have no opinion as to our response. My gut feeling is that we should:
1. Get the hell out of the Middle East.
2. Bomb them all into the Stone Age. [Oh, wait! They are still in the stone age!]
Looking like SOS Pompeo and DOD have boobytrapped Trump into Carter redux .
Would be interesting to see how Trump Houdinies out.
We may yet get President Pence and Pelosi.
3 in one year will be for history books.
Fro. Someone in the know
https://mobile.twitter.com/RashaAlAqeedi/status/1211997266061463552
Rhodes policy was crafted in coordination with niac a regime moth piece.
“I think you misspelled “groveling”, Allen.”
It’s a portmanteau. Groovy and grovel. Perfect for the way the comments spun out. I like it!
Perhaps a video, poorly received. More likely, progress stimulated by reneging on the previous administration's quid pro Bo.
Obama and Trump are having a drink in a bar with J. Farmer.
A drunken belligerent patron starts shoving people around. Obama goes over and asks the troublemaker to settle down and buys him a drink. The troublemaker accepts the drink, becomes more intoxicated and soon starts again with even more belligerence. Obama goes back and tells the guy he will buy him another round, but to please behave himself.
The drunk gets even drunker, louder and more obnoxious, frightening many patrons. This time Trump goes over and tells the guy to sit down and behave or leave the bar. The drunk takes a swing. Trump, a former wrestler, grabs the drunk, spins him around and starts hauling him towards the door. It's not easy, the drunk is fighting with Trump, but Trump is bigger and stronger and knows some effective holds. When Trump has the drunk halfway to the door, J. Farmer says, "So far Trump's intervention has not achieved much in terms of containing this drunk's disruptive behavior."
Furthermore:
https://mobile.twitter.com/bhweingarten/status/1212031987361439744
Thank Jimmy Carter. That sanctimonious bastard created the mess - Shah bad!
Yes, but blame can also go to every President since Carter for not properly dealing with those assholes for the last 40 years.
Ben Rhodes
Verified account @brhodes
"Trump sanctions on Iran have done nothing to change Iranian behavior except make it worse. This is what happens when your foreign policy is based on Obama envy, domestic politics, Saudi interests, and magical right wing thinking."
Other than the fact that Rhodes and Rice were obeying orders from Obama, I agree that they should all be in jail.
The real magical thinking was on the Left. Rhodes and Obama thought that Iran was run by rational people; fellow Ivy Leaguers. The facts are that they're a bunch of savage religious zealots who have suffered generations of inbreeding and, hence, low IQ's.
Nichevo, if the locals can't guarantee embassy security then yeah, yank our embassies or reduce them to embattled outposts eventually. If that's what it takes
We should face the fact that there are regions of the world where our presence is simply counterproductive (to Americans and American interests) and let the large semi-coherent countries of the region, whose interests are far more at stake than ours, sort out the barbaric hill-tards.
I hope Trump's "isolationism" gets the better of his "bellicosity" on this one. I'm quite certain the military, political, and contractor careerist ghouls of DC are getting a stiffy just thinking about the money another war would bring them.
Narr
Not to mention the less-than-ghouls of the MSM
I don't know that Gorka is a goofball-at least not entirely. OTOH Ben Rhodes is copper bottomed foul smelling pustulent pool of stupidity. And that's on Little Ben's best day.
Pallets of cash may be intended to soothe the savage beast--but more likely just gave him an appetite. Unfortunately for the mullahs, the Bank of Trump is closed for them--and the Bank of Obama is long gone out of business.
I don’t know if Trump is right, but his response is preferable to an apology or donation from Obama.
As Scott Adams says, we're about to find out what the opposite of Benghazi looks like.
It looks like this
And this
Chutzpah
https://mobile.twitter.com/wendyrsherman/status/1212003061973110784
She negotiated the korean and iran deald
Now is as good a time as any to review Obama's Iran deal, and the role of Ben "he has a point-Farmer" Rhodes in deceiving America.
<a href="https://thefederalist.com/2016/05/09/ben-rhodes-reveals-how-obama-duped-america-into-the-dangerous-iran-deal/‘We created an echo chamber,’ [Rhodes] admitted, when I asked him to explain the onslaught of freshly minted experts cheerleading for the deal. ‘They were saying things that validated what we had given them to say.’</a>
2. Bomb them all into the Stone Age. [Oh, wait! They are still in the stone age!]
Only when there’s no AC or electricity.
Ben Rhodes is a moronic Democrat party hack. Whatever he is yapping about is usually wrong. For your entertainment, I present, once again, Ben Rhodes on election night 2016.
The US airstrikes were a stupid and counterproductive response that were guaranteed to flame anti-American sentiment within Iraq
Inflame?
Lololol
There is one thing that changed, we are now an energy exporter.
They can’t blackmail us that way anymore.
The so called "maximum pressure" campaign has not achieved much in terms of containing Iran's behavior.
Hemingway rule, "How do you go bankrupt? Slowly, then suddenly." Remember the Battle of the Bulge ?
Iran will strike out until it can't.
"Protestors broke into a heavily guarded compound..." doesn't make sense to me.
I blame moderation, not my own ineptitude, for the failure to launch that hyperlink.
...just kidding, in case you don't think I'm kidding at first glance.
The United States should horde it's energy resources, develop nuclear power in a wide array of forms, and let the rest of the world be dependent on the Middle East and thus let them deal with the asshole culture that thrives there. The cost of Arab oil is just not worth it, and now we don't need it.
Jim,
Unless you want war, it is difficult to undo what Sanctimonious Carter did. Obozo made things far more difficult through his infusion of cash to the Mullahs, evidence that Obozo was either really, really stupid, malevolent or both
Sundance is more in tune with what Farmer is saying above -- that Trump's cabinet guys are overreacting to draw Trump into a bigger conflagration with Iran..
Yes, no more Benghazis -- but also, no more unnecessary wars in the Middle East.
Food for thought.
rcocean: "Yeah, that's right dummy. That's why my comment has "LOL" after it. Ordinarily I wouldn't even respond, but I'm bored at work."
Mea culpa. I missed that.
rcocean has to deal with the Democrats What Claim to be Rock-ribbed Conservatives over at Patterico, so his manners and patience grow thin.
"Skeptical Voter said...
I don't know that Gorka is a goofball-at least not entirely. OTOH Ben Rhodes is copper bottomed foul smelling pustulent pool of stupidity. And that's on Little Ben's best day.
Pallets of cash may be intended to soothe the savage beast--but more likely just gave him an appetite. Unfortunately for the mullahs, the Bank of Trump is closed for them--and the Bank of Obama is long gone out of business."
Pallets of cash didn't work in the 1800's either. The US Navy was formed to stop having to bribe the Barbary pirates. So why would Obama believe bribing Iran would do any better?
so what's the proper reaction to a strike against us forces, as pointed out above, the hashid and the asaib al quazali, is an arm of the pasdaran's quds force,
I gave up on them, it's like talking to a wall, I don't know who's more annoying montagu of the northwest who is the most gullible, probably drj who seems to have completely lost it,
probably drj who seems to have completely lost it,
She was a nice person but has abad case of TDS and supported Patrick when he accused me of lying because I disagreed with him.
I haven't looked at that site in months and he has gone full Little Green Footballs as far as I am concerned.
yes, I probably gave him more latitude than he deserved, I should have left after a very sharp former federal prosecutor, was banned, you can find him on twitter, as shipwrecked crew,
after the abquaiq strike, I thought it was prudent to restrain, in part because retaliation could serious get out of hand, with gulf bases being targeted, but when they directed strike us personnel I see no other choice
@Browndog:
The axiom "liberals always side with America's enemies. Always." ...holds up.
But let me point out something you may have slept through in school: someone can be an execrable person and stay say a true thing.
When Trump has the drunk halfway to the door, J. Farmer says, "So far Trump's intervention has not achieved much in terms of containing this drunk's disruptive behavior."
By all means let us all know what positive fruit it has returned or what it has actually accomplished.
@Michael K:
Hemingway rule, "How do you go bankrupt? Slowly, then suddenly." Remember the Battle of the Bulge ?
Iran will strike out until it can't.
Yeah yeah. Iran hawks have been predicting the imminent implosion of the Islamic Republic for decades now. Any day day now.
J Farmer,
Thank Jimmah Carta. Shah man bad, but he was a US ally and not an exporter of terrorism like Obozo’s mullah buddies
probably john Kerry was the one who counseled the abquaiq and this move, probes to determine the length of our commitment, we know what happened with Beirut and Mogadishu, the first was a direct proxy of Iranian forces, the second involved al queda elements like the late mohammed atef,
you wanna raise pressure? Raise heat. Shit is heating up. The status quo is changing. When mom and dad take to the streets things tend to change. HK and Iran are not getting back to the way they were before.
now to be fair, despite he led the cell that targeted the embassy in Kuwait in 1984, he was still considered for leadership under the cpa,
https://www.breitbart.com/national-security/2019/12/31/iranian-militia-leader-who-led-raid-u-s-embassy-baghdad-previously-visited-obama-white-house/
Spoken like a leader. So nice to have a man of courage in office.
Think outside the box. Spray protestors with LiquidAss. Or urine smelling yellow water. Humiliate them while sending a message that they are not to be taken seriously
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Good. So now we can Ben Ghazi the f*$& out of them. Let the hearings begin.
In some situations I suppose you could demonstrate leadership by control of the mob coming with you so that you can be part of the negotiating etc.
Here's where the Republicans fall down. What aren't there consistent stories in the media about how Nancy Pelosi's Democrats in the House failed to authorize the funding for embassy security that Trump requested? Democrats would not have skipped this opportunity.
Those were mcguirks boys, the one who was (redacting) the journal reporter on the roof of the baghdad embassy, that was our islamic state coordinator
Farmer: "Daddy are we there yet?"
"Protesters"
IOW, fake news yet again.
Moron Dems like Ritmo *are* trying to make this Trump's Benghazi. The fact that Trump sent help immediately, while Hillary left them to die, appears to be far too subtle a distinction for them to appreciate. Cause they're such masters of nuance.
Qwinn, LOL!!!!
@Michael K:
Farmer: "Daddy are we there yet?"
Here's the thing, Michael. Time frames matter. Yes, civilizations collapses. States come and go. But there's a big difference between a regime that can hold on for five years and one that can hold on for 50 years. US policy towards Iran for the last 40 years has been that it's a weak regime teetering on the edge of collapse and that just a little outside pressure will hasten said collapse. And yet, Iran has proven far more resilient than many Iran hawks would like to confess.
And of course, if you'd like to put a little wager on when you actually think such a collapses will occur, I am all ears.
" And yet, Iran has proven far more resilient than many Iran hawks would like to confess."
Tyrants don't like to give up power. They put the screws to their people to keep them in line. Eventually the people get sick of it and either leave or revolt. like what's happening now in Iran and HK. You wanna know why it's never happened in Cuba? The people needed to make a modern society run all left Cuba in the 60s. It is collapsing now Farmer. What comes next will not look like it did a year ago. The result will be either more oppression or more freedom.
This event will be known as the Anti-Benghazi. Hildabeast, Obozo, and the lying, evil, corrupt, national media hardest hit!!!!
KAG!!!!
J.Farmer,
And your little wooden god, Obozo the Magnificent, infused this regime with cash to keep it going. Sounds like treason to me!
J Farmer is more correct than Michael K.
There is such a thing as repeating action on same mistaken principle but claim win and loss based on D or R
For Rs Carter and Hillary seem like bookends to neocon wisdom in between.
In reality what is the difference?
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