1600 Pennsylvania Avenue, the White House, is the place I have come to love and will stay for, hopefully, another 5 years as we MAKE AMERICA GREAT AGAIN, but my family and I will be making Palm Beach, Florida, our Permanent Residence. I cherish New York, and the people of New York, and always will, but unfortunately, despite the fact that I pay millions of dollars in city, state and local taxes each year, I have been treated very badly by the political leaders of both the city and state. Few have been treated worse. I hated having to make this decision, but in the end it will be best for all concerned. ...He expresses love for the city and the people, but not for the political leaders (at the city and state level).
Trump didn't go so far as to say that no one has been treated worse than him. I wonder who are the "few" who've been treated worse by the city/state leaders (in his mind and in reality). I tried to think, and I thought of a victim of police brutality, but police officers, though they wield the power of government, are not "political leaders." The answer should have to do with the deliberate use of the highest power of government to torture and destroy a good person because of good things that he has said and done.
New York Governor Andrew Cuomo responds on cue:
"Good riddance. It's not like Mr. Trump paid taxes here anyway. He's all yours, Florida."I think Cuomo is commenting on a pending criminal investigation of Trump. From a recent news report about that (in Reuters):
In August, Vance, a Democrat, subpoenaed Trump’s personal and corporate tax returns from 2011 to 2018, and other records from the president’s longtime accounting firm Mazars USA. The subpoena is part of a criminal probe into Trump and his family business. The scope of that probe is not publicly known. Trump sued Vance’s office in Manhattan federal court to block the subpoena, arguing that as a sitting president, he cannot be subject to criminal investigation....Using the criminal law to pursue a citizen is a very serious matter. Cuomo should not be making a pronouncement about the facts in that case. Aside from that, there's the implication that those who hold political power and purport to represent you really only want you so they can get tax money from you. Even if the political leader only cares about the economic value of its citizens, they should see the contributions that people make aside from the money they send to the government. Most of the positive value people provide to their community comes in a form other than tax money. Cuomo's insult to Trump is an insult to all New York citizens, many of whom don't pay much in taxes, but who do good things that benefit each other and make New York great... if New York is still great... make New York great again...
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Gerald Ford to New York City "Drop Dead."
Nothing new.
Trump officially Florida Man.
Rush Limbaugh, who hasn't lived in NY for a decade, still has to supply proof to NY tax authorities for his movements. They want any money he earns in NY.
Other states where Limbaugh does not live don't do that.
I myself do not get queries from 49 states I don't live in but only because NY hasn't noticed me.
So President Trump is a Jewish Republican ? 99.9% of Florida retirees are Jewish. 0.01% are cocaine dealers ?
President Trump is 100%. I can only assume he'll get a tad bored and rename Florida something like Trump's Universe Wonderland.
New York City is just turning into San Francisco with worse weather but better theater.
Rush talks about the massive tax bite the NYC and NY State take from earners. NYC finances are teetering on the backs of a couple of hundred very high end earners. Loosing half a dozen of those earners a year is a very real financial threat to NYC. This is a big deal. Loose the President of the USA, very high profile person, pointing out to the others a very serious problem. Now others are forced to rationalize their person presence in a system that so abuses them.
Rush also speaks about the hell the City and State put him through. Repeatedly demanding he prove that he is really gone. He is forced to spend lots of money every year on lawyers fighting the tax agencies that refused to accept he no longer owed taxes. The City and State have dedicated departments that do nothing but harass those that move out, and keep assessing taxes.
One more family fleeing the high tax state!
Andrew Cuomo sounds like he has such a thin skin.
Probably will relocate the entire Trump organization as well. J P Morgan is considering moving many employees out of NY.
They keep saying “good riddance” as millionaires leave. They said the same thing when Rush left after objecting to the kind of harassment they did. Inspecting his Florida home, etc. He didn’t leave because he objected to the taxes so much as the harassment.
We are happy to have him.
NYS banned fracking, leaving the lucrative tax revenues that industry produces to Pennsylvania.
Gov. Cuomo produced quite the double whammy last week. Democratic activists blocked the construction of a natural gas pipeline to Long Island, with the result that the gas company doesn’t have the capacity to hook up new customers. Cuomo has ordered the gas company to provide hookups.
Seniors are leaving NY state in droves for low tax, low regulation Florida.
New York will be the next California, driven to bankruptcy and infrastructure collapse by the green energy scammers.
I had a one-time, relatively eye-popping capital gain back in the W Bush years when I sold some shares that I had inherited from my grandfather in 1958. I was and had been an Illinois resident for over 35 years. My securities account was at an Illinois bank. I filed a non-resident New York tax return because our law partnership had an office there. Yup. The New York tax authorities opened an investigation to see if they could claim any tax revenue on my stock sale (they couldn't). NY wants your dough even if you don't live there.
Trump is joining the thousands that are moving their domiciles from fiscal train-wrecks like IL, NY, CT, CA and NJ to FL and TX. Cuomo's attitude is both laughable and dangerous.
Pride and joy and greed and sex,
That’s what makes our town the best!
iowan2 said...
Rush also speaks about the hell the City and State put him through. Repeatedly demanding he prove that he is really gone. He is forced to spend lots of money every year on lawyers fighting the tax agencies that refused to accept he no longer owed taxes. The City and State have dedicated departments that do nothing but harass those that move out, and keep assessing taxes.
Well, after all, it's the governments money, isn't it? /sarc
The City and State have dedicated departments that do nothing but harass those that move out, and keep assessing taxes.
This is all too true, and they don't just harass the famous and billionaires. Every retiree who leaves NY but maintains any property there has to maintain very careful documentation that they spend 6 months and a day outside the state. If you can't prove that, you've got potential tax liability in NYS, and they relentlessly audit high income people who leave. We have a very professional and aggressive tax collection agency, is a kind way to look at it.
https://moonbattery.com/jpmorgan-chase-begins-escape-from-new-york/
How exactly would Cuomo know if Trump paid NY taxes anyway? What Governor knows what any resident pays in taxes? Legally, I mean.
PluralThumb appears to be both incoherent and suspiciously concerned with the religion and antecedents of FL retirees.
Dude, get some help. It's a bad look.
They also go after out of town athletes for taxes owed for games played in NYC. It's like the Hotel California, as someone upstream said, with much worse weather.
I can think of tens of thousands of people who were treated worse.
The Central Park Jogger, who was brutalized then betrayed and humiliated as that scumbag Morgenthau falsely acquitted the animals who violated and nearly murdered her and city leaders celebrated them. They were guilty. May Morgenthau rot in hell, where he belongs.
All the other people attacked by those animals that night.
Every crime victim denied justice and safety day after day, year after year, decade after decade because the defense bar and the judiciary are one and the same.
The murdered police whose killers -- Assata Shakur, Marilyn Buck, Susan Rosenberg, Jeff Jones, Eleanor Raskin, Kathy Boudin, and Bernardine Dohrn -- were either freed, not prosecuted, or abetted in fleeing to Cuba and are celebrated by political leaders in New York and DC, particularly DeBlasio and Barack Obama.
And you go for the one person who won a settlement of millions because two rogue cops did something done to tens of thousands of other people who never got millions or recognition for their suffering. Or justice. Because the political and legal leaders of that city, with rare exceptions, see no victims except criminals.
Fascinating blind spot. By the way, Trump quietly did a great deal for the real victims over the years.
As a parting gift Trump should donate Trump Hotel on 1 Central Park West to a charitable organization on the stipulation that all rooms are to be used solely to house the homeless.
I'm sure all those fine liberal folk in Central Park West would love several hundred homeless people finding shelter in their neighborhood.
I am Laslo.
I like seeing Air Force One parked by Southern Boulevard.
ARM--good one. Florida Man is a remarkable phenomenon, although usually at the low-life end of the scale of human behavior. Trump will have to out-do himself to make a mark in the annals of Florida Man.
This use of prosecutorial and tax powers for fishing expeditions to harass a political opponent is third world grade stuff. But it has to be done, I guess because his political opponents have accused him of shredding the constitution.
Under our constitution, you can’t let somebody who has been accused of crimes by Democrats walk free!
Donald Trump first landed on my radar screen when he stepped in to take over fixing the ice skating rink in Central Park back in the 80's. The city had tried for several years to get it operational and spent millions in their failed attempt. Trump basically said the people in charge were incompetent dummies and he could fix it quicker and cheaper. 60 Minutes or CBS News did a piece on that and Trump was regaled as a hero.
Bernie Goetz, who had the temerity to defend himself in a strong arm robbery on the NYC subway was treated pretty badly.
If Trump were homeless the state would’ve given him a free bus or a flight ride to another state. I mean, it’s not like the homeless pay any taxes so New York doesn’t want them either.
In August, Vance, a Democrat, subpoenaed Trump’s personal and corporate tax returns from 2011 to 2018, and other records from the president’s longtime accounting firm Mazars USA. The subpoena is part of a criminal probe into Trump and his family business.
Isn't this kind of fishing expedition what Trump is accused of by the House Dems? What?
Oh he asked a "foreign government" to investigate. Oh, okay, that makes all the difference. Because what happens in Ukraine stays in Ukraine, as the Bidens like to say.
I ate in that restaurant once, in the Trump Tower where the famous Romney/Trump picture was taken, Jean-Georges, I think it’s called. It was pretty damn nice. A beautiful May morning at Central Park. “A knife, a fork, a bottle and a cork, that’s the way, you spell New York.” the song goes. There is a lot of really nice stuff in NYC, but I wouldn’t buy a condo there if it were free because of the tax hunters, who remind me of the “Jew hunter” in Inglorious Basterds. It is far cheaper to stay in a first class hotel for a few days to get your fill once in a while. You can get to central Manhattan in just a couple hours from a train you can walk to in the South End of Boston.
I don’t know how those people who get their wallets vacuumed every time they cross a bridge or whatever, every paycheck, property taxes, etc, do it. Now Warren wants to get the stuff that slipped past. It’s like the old joke about Mike Dukakis: “What does Mike Dukakis call take home pay? ‘A lost revenue opportunity.’"
What Cuomo said is obvious nonsense. Trump owns property in New York. How would it even be possible for him to not pay (a lot of) property tax, at the very least?
Florida Man is just anger over the 2000 election. You can find chavs in every state. I remember once in Vermont when a guy posed for a picture in a newspaper with a doe he had shot to which he had attached antlers. Game warden saw it and he was arrested. “Vermont Man.” But you know, Vermont people are good Democrats.
the GOVERNOR said...
"Good riddance. It's not like Mr. Trump paid taxes here anyway.
Ummm, i'm not a law professor; but isn't That,THE DEFINITION of Libel?
the libel must be malicious to constitute grounds for a lawsuit for damages. Minor errors in reporting are not libel
The GOVERNOR is The GOVERNOR, he KNOWS what taxes are paid
That's not a minor error, and it must be malicious
Is Libel okay if the person Libeled against is a Repub?
Is Libel okay if the person Libeling is a Dem?
Those Californians who want to be taxed, like Tom Hanks, always make sure if they’re filming in or visiting NY to keep track of how many days they’re there so they don’t go over the allotment so they can avoid getting taxed. It’s not just OOT sports teams.
My husband and I had to pay an accountant to file our taxes separately for the year we got married because NYS wanted to tax me at a higher rate because they took my husband's income into account, even though he never lived or worked there.
Hunter, property taxes on many buildings are comparably low, and the city mostly collects its revenue in the form of an income tax. While property tax rates are actually pretty high and real estate values stratospheric, real estate developers typically get 10-20 year tax abatements for their new projects, and older buildings are taxed at a fraction of their appraised value. When a new project goes off its tax abatement, which is often as much as 90% of the tax due, it's a very rude awakening to residents and to people trying to sell. It's a very complex system with ample opportunity for corruption and graft, just how the politicos like it. But what it boils down to in terms of property taxes paid is that most people who own multimillion dollar properties, especially the older townhomes, pay a fraction of what suburbanites pay on their ~$1M homes in NJ, LI and Westchester. But again, we have an income tax, and it's got some wacky tax brackets owing to the high incomes.
Many New Yorkers seek asylum in Florida.
Wisconsin isn't much better than New York on chasing leavers for taxes.
I wish he had chosen Texas. I think he would like it.
NY state and city income tax rates are also applied to all capital gains when you live in state, not just earned income. That's how they get the hedgies and other finance types with their carried interest income who pay the cap gains rate on their federal returns, but pony up the combined 11% NY state and city income taxes. I don't have the citation handy, but 40,000 people account for the majority of city income tax receipts.
I enjoy visiting NYC once every 3 years. Not more than a few days though. I do love Central Park. And I do love walking miles through Manhattan.
And I have a lotta fond memories of the place. My Uncle lived on the Upper East Side in the 80s near York Ave, and it was delightful to stay with him.
But that was 35 years ago. Today, the people there seem uniformly unhappy, stressed out and/or depressed, Living there without much money, must be an absolute nightmare. It's so expensive. It's so noisy.
Maybe, the other boroughs still have a semblance of ordinary, healthy, family life. Who knows?
The victim card plays best with his minions. The islamofascist pigs are not impressed
"Andrew Cuomo sounds like he has such a thin skin."
You should see his brother Fredo.
NYC has a income tax... NY state has an income tax. Neither can be taken off the Federal income tax now...
Hence Trump saves maybe 40 million by that move.
I would to if I didn't already live in Texas.
Isn't it against the law for a politician to target a constituent because of personal animus?
Trump and other businesses moving out of a high tax state causes a cascade of events where the State loses much much more than just Trump's tax revenue.
A good example of the UNINTENDED CONSEQUENCES of excessive taxation is the decision to tax "Luxury Yachts".
While it seemed like a good idea to soak those nasty rich people who could buy those fancy schmancy boats.....the result was destruction of many ordinary people's income and businesses.
Those downstream of the rich. Those people depend on the rich to spend their money and when it is gone....so are they.
The suppliers, builders, workers on the boats. The people who depend on the income from those who now have no income suffer. The restaurants, waiters, cooks, car dealerships, the grocery stores, clothing and all the people who work for those stores etc etc etc. People move away and the schools have less children.
The cascade of unintended consequences caused by greedy and excessively stupid politicians and cheered on by even more stupid voters has no end.
Cuomo may think he is doing a victory dance. He is really just dancing a funeral dirge.
Economics and History. LEARN IT!!!!
"Good riddance. It's not like Mr. Trump paid taxes here anyway. He's all yours, Florida."
How could Trump get a fair trial in a tax case after the governor made that pronouncement?
Smart move. Florida's a key swing state next year, and this should be worth a few % in November.
A large part of the "Florida Man" phenomenon is the fact that it's easy to get that information in that state. I imagine it's no better or worse anywhere else, but they protect that data better.
Um, they DO only want to get tax money from you. Jesus...just look at the whole 'fair tax' shit in Illinois. It is literally a 'leave this state on pain of a tax' tax.
"Isn't it against the law for a politician to target a constituent because of personal animus?”
It’s against the law for the accused to go free when the accuser is a Democrat.
Soak the rich and let Warren sort 'em out is the new Lem mantra.
"Blogger Howard said...
The victim card plays best with his minions”
Ha ha ha ha ha ha! Hillary’s butt hurt flying monkeys though NEVER see themselves as victims!
So Cuomo puts New York in play. He might as well have asked, "Are you better off than you were four years ago?"
A lot of people his age retire to Florida from New York.
He may have a few more reasons to than most.
I would not expect a lot of largess from the Feds for NYC to pass his desk any time soon, since they aren't voting for him anyway. Which is why you actually try to not be assholes to each other.
There's a really good quote from Cuomo where he chastised people for leaving NY - right after he hiked taxes to the hilt.
New York is not in play. Upstate has basically been diasporized by a government focused on NYC. You can afford NYC style tax. rates when you have NYC style business volumes, but when you are in Elizabethtown, Arkport, or Dunkirk, there is just not the population to support those kinds of taxes for services that the people there don’t really need or want.
Banning fracking was a real kick in the teeth too. But that gas isn’t going anywhere. So at some point it is going to be too valuable to leave in the ground. Maybe “Drain Pennsylvania first!” will end up being a wise policy.
I went to college in that area and heard stories in the ‘70s about lighting the kitchen faucet on fire, because there was so much natural gas in the ground. Way before people were even going after it. But those poor people don’t have much sway in Albany.
Shorter democratics:
Stay here so that I can tax you! you bastards.
I cannot find the quote. Perhaps it was disappeared. or someone else said it.
The Cuomos are a family of thugs.
So, the IRS have Trump‘s tax returns, and the State has Trump‘s tax returns, and likely the city has some kind of tax return. I’m sure all of them dis some kind of audit on Trump, and probably every non-politically affiliated individual who makes a significant sum individually and through businesses.
Wouldn’t it be the job of those auditors to detect the wrongdoing, and ultimately take the money or start prosecution? The IRS will simply take the money they think you owe. Of course, lawyers and all will make it not that easy, but still.
Having said that, I’m quite sure that Trump filed and paid taxes according to the law, as most rich people do. If it isn’t in the spirit (sic) of the law then you need to write better laws. the law of unintended consequences will always apply.
NY tried to collect income tax from us because Mr. Pants, a consultant, meets with clients there regularly. Too bad, so sad, we are residents of Texas which has laws on the books to protect people like us and HR/legal at his firm told NY to get bent on our behalf. His colleague who lived in Oregon at the time, and whose business cards say Chicago. wasn’t so lucky. NY got him for around ten grand one year.
Trump was famous and famous for being rich for all his life. I'm pretty sure the tax authorities went over his returns back in the years now subpoenaed--and all the years prior. Back in those years--and all the years prior--Cuomo or his father were the governors of the state. What does it say of their stewardship if they allowed such a high profile person to flout the tax laws of this state for so long.....I live in NYC on the UES. It's a very nice place to live, but, what with taxes and housing costs, you pay for the privilege. What's it worth to live in an unpleasant place where the taxes are low?
So, now he's the REAL ORANGE MAN!
Californians are leaving their state at much higher rates than arrivals. Unfortunately, they are moving to AZ, TX and NV. Watch TX turn blue by the next election. Californian emigres should be required to relocate to the opposite coast where their loony liberalism is appreciated.
Hillary's butt flying monkeys are too busy attacking they don't have time to whine.
Mockturtle: Californian emigres should be required to relocate to the opposite coast where their loony liberalism is appreciated.
Now, now now....please don't tar all people from California with the same brush. Many of us are conservatives and try to live our own independent and peaceful (so far) lives far from the lunatic asylums of Central and Southern Calif. San Francisco is in CENTRAL Ca.
The best we can do, who are trapped here by our jobs and our real estate....and our age...is to try to survive and keep our heads below the fox hole.
I can guarantee you that many who are moving out of California are not going to turn your States blue. On the other hand, there are many who are just so blind that they cannot recognize that THEY are the problem.
How to sort this out? I don't know. It is a problem. But not one cause by everyone from CA. Have a heart!
Due to chasing money out of state and implementing what will probably turn out to be disastrous energy policies, I think many New York State residents will become the 21st century equivalent of the Depression-era Okies. The Okies fled circumstances beyond human control - severe drought; the New Yorkies will flee man-made disasters. Remember the 1977 NYC blackout and the rioting and looting? How about making that a recurring event? Not everybody can decamp as easily as PDT.
"Hillary's butt flying monkeys are too busy attacking they don't have time to whine.”
Ha ha ha ha ha ha!
“Show me the man and I’ll find you the crime.” Lavrentiy Beria, NKVD, USSR, circa 1938.
Democrats investigate political enemies without probable cause unless probable cause points to a Democrat in which case Democrats investigate the pointer.
Blogger Shouting Thomas said...
New York will be the next California, driven to bankruptcy and infrastructure collapse by the green energy scammers.
And the fucking locusts will move on to destroy another economy.
The day an Dem politician or Hollywood liberal decides to pay their taxes without taking any deductions, using any tax loopholes or not stashing money in overseas accounts is the day I will take any of them seriously when it comes to fiscal/tax policy. I'd love to know how much Cuomo pays in taxes.
Democrats hate at least half of all people anyway. So it's perfectly expected.
DBQ: I know, I know. In fact, I was thinking of you and your family as I wrote it. But being born and raised in WA state and seeing what Californians have done over the decades to WA and OR, I'm just extrapolating the probable outcome. Learning from history.
The way I see it, Trump's tax returns have been examined with a microscope for decades by both the state and federal tax agencies.
So the chance of there being anything wrong or criminal there is pretty much nonexistent.
I don't blame Trump for basically saying "I'm outta here." They got greedy, figuring that the inside of the goose that laid the golden egg must be full of the stuff - and they killed it, only to find there's no gold at all.
I just wonder how the media would respond if Trump responded the way Cuomo did?
I don't think Cuomo is alluding to a pending investigation. I think he is alluding to articles about how Trump lat over a billion dollars in his casino business and could spread the loss over something like 18 years to avoid taxes.
A lot of seniors retire to Florida. No big deal, except I suspect the timing is Florida's electoral votes.
Mockturtle....... and seeing what Californians have done over the decades to WA and OR, I'm just extrapolating the probable outcome. Learning from history.
I know. And thank you for thinking of us.
My husband was born and raised in Oregon and in the logging areas of N. Ca. He too sees what has become of his home State. Although the mostly rural areas and away from cities like Eugene, Portandlia etc are still conservative, they are like us up in the State of Jefferson; fighting for our lives and hanging on by our fingernails.
The term "Don't Californicate Oregeon" didn't come from nowhere.
I too am afraid that history will be repeating itself, because people don't know history and refuse to listen, even if they do know. It is going to get worse, much worse, before it gets better.
We are trapped here because of our business which is not transportable or easily sold, our real estate, and because we do love this beautiful area and the people where we live, ... and especially our reluctance to uproot everything at our age and move to an unfamiliar location with no friends, family or ties. At least we (hubby and I) are on the downhill side of life and can probably weather it out before the next decade or so when it all implodes.
This is the same vance, that covered for Epstein, Weinstein, et al, for years, Andrew Cuomo contributed to the kindling of the subprime crisis, the deputy at the us attys office, khuzaimi, while at the sec referred few if any prosecutions, about those principals,
I can guarantee you that many who are moving out of California are not going to turn your States blue.
This is true and I wonder if the trend is that people seek like minded people. Maybe people who want to live in Austin have similar politics. Somebody in the last couple of days was talking about a brilliant astronomer who was spouting the rankest nonsense about economics. Being very smart doesn't mean you are smart about everything,
My understanding is that Colorado was taken over by very rich people who liked the outdoors and had no idea of how to run a state. The CO transportation department is now being "run" by a woman with an MA in English whose father was Obama's Treasury Secretary. She knows nothing about civil engineering or traffic analysis. She might be an expert on Elizabethan poetry (Probably not given English departments these days) but she is incompetent in that position.
readering the Historical Ignoramus: "I don't think Cuomo is alluding to a pending investigation. I think he is alluding to articles about how Trump lat over a billion dollars in his casino business and could spread the loss over something like 18 years to avoid taxes."
This Just In: Trump obeys tax laws!!
You know, perhaps Trump following the law TOO CLOSELY could be construed as an impeachable offense.
We won't know until Adam Schiff emerges from his Stalin Bunker to spin comments from "unbiased" "accountants" from the Clinton Foundation.
PS: I used "Stalin Bunker" instead of "Hitler Bunker" for 2 reasons:
1) Godwin's Law
2) readering doesn't understand that Stalin and Hitler were actually allies (Molotov-Ribbentrop Pact) in invading Poland in 1939 (after the Soviets had signed a cease-fire with Japan)
readering: "A lot of seniors retire to Florida. No big deal, except I suspect the timing is Florida's electoral votes."
Your time would be better spent pondering the astonishing rise and cementing of rabid anti-semitism on the political left and its implications for the December election in Britain for islamic-terrorist celebrator labour leader Jeremy Corbyn.
Donald Trump is changing his residence to Florida so that he can vote in that swing state in the 2020 election. Perhaps he also intends Palm Beach to be his capitol during the upcoming civil war that his Congressional supporter Louie Gohmert has threatened on the House floor.
"I don't think Cuomo is alluding to a pending investigation. I think he is alluding to articles about how Trump lost over a billion dollars in his casino business and could spread the loss over something like 18 years to avoid taxes."
Then Cuomo is a fucking moron. Trump still pays personal income taxes- you can't use corporate losses for that. There are strict limits on how much capital loss you can use to offset personal income each year- something I, a peon, learned in 2000-2002.
Mommy! Twump tweeted a picture of a dog that was photoshopped!
Mommy! Twump made fun of a dead austere scholar!
Mommy! Twump won’t stop tweeting at me!
Left Bank of the Charles: "Donald Trump is changing his residence to Florida so that he can vote in that swing state in the 2020 election."
Did you get your latest "hot take" from a dossier somewhere?
LOL
Californians are leaving their state at much higher rates than arrivals. Unfortunately, they are moving to AZ, TX and NV. Watch TX turn blue by the next election. Californian emigres should be required to relocate to the opposite coast where their loony liberalism is appreciated.
11/1/19, 8:56 AM
Look again. It is your young people turning these states blue. Not ex Californians like Mike K or friends of mine. Never forget, native Texans voted for Beto over Cruz.
"A CNN exit poll showed that O'Rourke beat Cruz among native Texans, 51 percent to 48 percent. ."
I hope Trump has a good Pre-Nup still in force with Melania, because Florida is a Total No Fault Divorce State. If a wife files for divorce in Florida, then she is fully vested with half of the spouse's wealth instanter, and no trial is permitted about anything either one may have done.
News story from the future:
NYTimes January 8th 2020:
"Today the new House finally confirmed the Electoral College result that Donald Trump won reelection with 280 electoral votes. Trump's margin of victory was provided by his remarkable 1 vote victory in the Florida election- the most closely contested presidential election in any state in US history- a result that was finally certified on Christmas day when the Supreme Court denied Hillary Clinton's final appeal asking for the 18th recount in the state. Justice Amy Barrett, who wrote the opinion on the no cert, claimed without evidence that further counts were pointless since any result would just be challenged again no matter who won the 18th recount. For the record, Trump's margin bounced between 1 and 6 votes, with one recount, the 5th one, resulting in a tie which prompted Trump to offer to accept that result since he knew was sure to win in the newly constituted House which was reclaimed by the Republicans."
As President, I will always be there to help New York and the great people of New York.
As President the best thing Donald Trump could do to help “the great people of New York” would be to arrest Andrew Cuomo and have NHTSA use him as a crash test dummy. He’s got the “dummy” part down cold.
".....and seeing what Californians have done over the decades to WA and OR,"
Yeah, sure would like to see the statistics on that. Kinda like Hillary. Always someone else's fault. JK.
Fact is, 'twas new people moving into California for decades that have ruined the state.
Cuomo is an ass saying Trump doesn't pay taxes in NYC. Lying ass also told Conservatives we weren't welcome in his state. I wish they would all leave...and NY would go down in flames.
Donald Trump is changing his residence to Florida so that he can vote in that swing state in the 2020 election.
You don't know that, but so what if he is? Is that some sort of crime?
Just when I think you've run out of stupid straws to grasp, you order another box.
“Using the criminal law to pursue a citizen is a very serious matter. Cuomo should not be making a pronouncement about the facts in that case.”
Agreed, Ann. No head of government should.
Full Moon touts a CNN exit poll as if it were the answer to anything.
It seems like a careless comment by Mr. Cuomo. He's attempting Trump Talk, but he's doing it wrong. He must be pretty confidant that he will not be asked to explain the statement under oath.
BTW, I've lived in OR for over 25 years (in the Portland area). It's no place for conservatives, but it's a beautiful state. Giving some thought to moving after retirement. Also, they tax estates of over $1M.
Stay classy, Andrew Cuomo.
Florida Man, the very definition of a Proud Deplorable. Look up your birthday in Florida Man history here.
Full Moon touts a CNN exit poll as if it were the answer to anything.
Full Moon claims young people are turning red states blue.
Mock claims, without evidence, people fleeing insane California government are responsible.
Texas Republicans Appear to be Losing the Youth Vote to Democrats
Full Moon touts a CNN exit poll as if it were the answer to anything.
Full Moon claims young people are turning red states blue.
Mock claims, without evidence, people fleeing insane California government are responsible.
And I claim with zero evidence that everyone is right.
The people who are fleeing from the urban and the young who are "woke" are bringing the liberal disease with them, because that is the bubble they have been used to living in. They think they still need government to provide and they cannot relinquish their "wokedness" mind think.
This liberal mindthink is mostly a young person phenomenon because they haven't the benefit of the wisdom of age or have truly graduated from the school of hard knocks.
Those who are fleeing from the "red" areas of California are just fleeing and hoping to escape the liberal disease and find some place to live free-er (With any government we really aren't actually free. That is an ullusion). Even so. The Red Stater Californians often can't handle living in a Red State lifestyle. The move up to where we live and STILL try to change things.
Frankly. We are doomed unless we have some sort of massive catastrophe, great depression or even a war to really really WAKE people up.
Can't learn the easy way. Gonna have to learn the hard way.
"The generational gap in partisanship is now more pronounced than in the past, and this echoes the widening generational gaps seen in many political values and preferences.
Millennial voters (born 1981 to 1996) have had a Democratic tilt since they first entered adulthood; this advantage has only grown as they have aged.
Democrats enjoy a 27-percentage-point advantage among Millennial voters (59% are Democrats or lean Democratic, 32% are Republican or lean Republican). In 2014, 53% of Millennial voters were Democrats or leaned Democratic, 37% tilted toward the GOP.
Millennials remain more likely than those in older generations to call themselves independents (44% vs. 39% of Gen Xers, 32% of Boomers and 27% of Silents); still, the roughly two-to-one Democratic advantage among Millennials is apparent both in “straight” and “leaned” partisan affiliation.
Generation X voters (born 1965 to 1980) are more divided in their partisan attachments, but also tilt toward the Democratic Party (48% identify as or lean Democratic, 43% identify as or lean Republican). The balance of leaned partisan identification among Gen X voters has been relatively consistent over the past several years. Baby Boomer voters (born 1946 to 1964) are nearly evenly divided (48% identify as or lean Democratic, 46% Republican).
The Silent Generation (born 1928 to 1945) is the only generational group that has more GOP leaners and identifying voters than Democratic-oriented voters. About half (52%) of Silent Generation voters identify with or lean toward the Republican Party, a larger share than a decade ago; 43% identify with or lean toward the Democratic Party.
https://www.people-press.org/2018/03/20/1-trends-in-party-affiliation-among-demographic-groups/
"They can call it whatever they want. Romney didn't win did he?"
Harry Reid is proud he lied about Mitt Romney's taxes
Fake, but inaccurate-- it's how ProgLibDems roll
The Red Stater Californians often can't handle living in a Red State lifestyle. The move up to where we live and STILL try to change things.
That's the problem in a nutshell. They want to change things to make their new home more like---California! Western Montana is a great example of moneyed Californians changing a Conservative region into a Progressive one in just two decades. And, of course, they think they did Montana a favor.
Western Montana is a great example of moneyed Californians ...
That is something we can agree on. Greedy locals jacking up home sale prices to moneyed Californians. Making housing less affordable for native born. Not only Montana, of course. Nevada, Idaho,Oregon, Washington, Texas also.
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