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I grew up about an hour outside of Yellowstone and have spent many happy years in the park. I now live on the east coast, but try to go back every few years. Every single time I'm in the park, I see people doing the stupidest, most dangerous things. The last time, I was leaving the Old Faithful Inn after supper and noticed a small herd of bison hanging around. (A very common sight) Not being a complete idiot, I decided to take a different path back to our campground, a path and would not take me near the bison. Then I noticed a man with his small child heading toward the herd. I stopped him and warned that he might want to stay away, particularly with his child. He told me to f-off and kept walking. I watched as he got very close to the first bison and then saw him pick up his child and start to try to put the kid on the back of the bison. A bunch of other people started shouting and I ran for a ranger. Thankfully, the ranger managed to stop the idiot before tragedy. Unusual? Not really!
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A consequence of urbanism and our new technologies.
The news clip starts with a still shot — of a European bison.
I'm beginning to think Thanos was on to something ...
We just got back from a trip to Yellowstone with our grandchildren. We've been there many times and it seems that people are getting more stupid. We have seen them approach bison, elk and even bears. They don't seem to understand that the animals are wild and don't care if they kill you. They think they're pets.
Here's the video minus the obnoxious head talkers, and plus a slowed down portion where the screaming people sound like cattle. But it still ends abruptly.
Wild animals are wild and dangerous and not like in a Disney movie. Surprise!
Doing Selfies... no doubt! I swear society as made life so 'safe' the stupid live to breed. Hence the way politics goes nowadays is easily explained. The majority is made up of morons.
So it turns out it's not a good idea to stand 5-10 feet away from large, powerful wild animals that are known to maim and kill humans. Who knew?
In The Story of US, a bison stampede could have been 25 miles long.
I don’t think the live action version of The Lion King will help.
Unusual? Not really!
If it's not unusual then it's also not very dangerous since millions of people visit and very few are hurt.
Kinda like 20% of people don't carry water in Death Valley - and live!
The stupid people will also walk right up to the Dems highly favored Jihadists as if they will not pick them as infidels to be sacrificed to allah. If they are lucky, the Muzzies will slaughter a buffalo instead of them.
This must have been the Harvard Law class on 'Judgment and Decision-Making' out on a field trip.
They think they're pets.
It's all because of Born Free and David Attenborough. If only they'd remembered to whisper.
thinning the herd
We were there about 10 years ago. My family came upon a bunch of bison calmly munching whatever in a field. There was a convenient pull off for vehicles, so I decided to take a photo. The closest buffalo was 50 yards away, so I got out and was fiddling with my camera, when my wife started shouting to get in the car. The buffalo had closed the distance to dangerous quite quickly, and I did get in the car.
That little girl nailed the landing like a juiced up 80's Russian gymnast!
Not SAD!
-XC
From the many Funny/mean comments at Fernandistein's youtube link:
Did she stick the landing?
Dammit!
Here in Alaska I see it quite often with tourists wanting to get a close photo of mama moose and her babies or a huge grizzly bear. I think part of the problem in today's world is that nothing is really real to people. They're so accustomed to virtual reality they don't know when genuine danger exists and think they are somehow invulnerable.
Our family camped in Y.S. a few years back. I regretted not having purchased the "stupid people and bison" video on VHS that was playing in all the gift shops.
Glad to see there is a new edition out.
(The little girl landed on her feet, at least on the first bounce.)
I've also seen an ox go from zero to 20+ miles an hour in an instant, and he's quite the gentleman.
"Just because I'm 'bi' doesn't mean you can stare!"
There used to be a small herd of Bison on Catalina Island. They had grown from about 20 animals put there for a movie, maybe "Birth of a Nation" and multiplied. We used to see them all the time and they never bothered anybody but people did not get too close. Then some idiot woman, no doubt a powerboater's wife, went up to a Bison and asked her husband to take a picture. The Bison butted her. No serious injury but, of course, she sued. The Catalina Island company eventually shipped all the Bison to Montana where they will become bison burgers. Then the state shot all the goats that had been on the island since the Spaniards left some there in then 1500s.
And then California went full psychotic. Used to be a nice place.
at the park entrance they pass out flyers. I remember that bison have been clocked in excess of 30mph. Same for Gizzly bears. I have seen youtube video of bears running down deer in brush.
People are too used to dogs.
What struck me was the "50 people" part. Been to Yeelowstone once, in winter. I don't think I saw 50 at one time, even while watching Old Faithful. The summer crowds must be oppresive.
But I do have a bison story. On the way, my wife and I, riding double, came up behind another snowmobiler waiting for his chance to get around or through a small group of cows in the road. He eventually got his chance and we followed him through. It was then that we noticed the large bull on a rise maybe 50 yards away. He didn't like us getting too close to his harem, and charged the main offender, the lead snowmobile, which sped away. He then turned his attention to us. We outran him, but just barely.
Eek. Tablets and typos. Sorry for the latter.
A guy I used to work with has a sister who is a Ranger at Yellowstone. They refer to the folks visiting as "Tourons" - as in a combination of tourist and moron. They run a yearly poll for the first "Touron" trampled by a bison after said "Touron" walks up to and tries to pet said bison. This happens every year. People are just really, really stupid.
They don't seem to understand that the animals are wild and don't care if they kill you.
They think they're pets.
Yes, but; if these people were walking down the street at home, and there was a 75 pound dog walking at them; they wouldn't go up and try to pet it: they'd be scared sh*tless
They get out off the streets, and they assume that it's all just a TV show.
Wild animals are so unusual to the city slickers, that they can't imagine what they are; even though they were given a flyer when they got into the park
people are more scared of cows than they are of buffalo
On behalf of all us buffs, don't get too close!
Bagoh at 9:47 am wins today's internet contest!
"Then the state shot all the goats that had been on the island since the Spaniards left some there in then 1500s."
Can't say anything about the bison, but the goats were eradicated because they eat native fauna, some of which isn't found anywhere else in the world besides the channel islands.
Some reason they took care of the swine on Santa Rosa.
In the last 20 years there has been a massive move to help the islands recover from centuries of ranching, farming, animal storage. The chicken problems pretty much took care of themselves. A storm would come up and chickens would blow off into the sea.
My favorite is how they addressed the golden eagle problem. Those were catching and eating the island fox (found no where else) and so they re-introduced bald eagles. Bald eagles eat fish but drive away golden eagles. Win-win.
We have bison at the east end of the county. Some sort of preserve or range. Luckily no one gets close enough to get hurt, or at least it in the last decade. Not like the Rocky Mountain Sheep, who seem to have a death wish, playing tag with cars (young males are esp dumb, with their practice bouts often taking them out into traffic). Cutting the speed limit from 70 to 55 has helped. Built a couple underpasses for them to get to the river this year. General consensus is that that is a waste of money.
I know that you can find bison in a lot of grocery stores these days, but the best we have found is raised, along with elk, by a guy who has a motel in Kalispell. Had some bison steaks for Father’s Day that were excellent. That is one of the great things about living in MT - some of the best meat around.
We were in Yellowstone at Christmas a few years back, on cross country skis. A bison was maybe 100 feet off the trail we were on. My husband, who is otherwise a sensible man, really really wanted to keep going down that trail so we could get a good picture. I prevailed on him to turn back and take a different trail, citing the three children we had made and who were skiing with us, and how much it would suck to lose one of them. He gave in but has never quite gotten over the failed photo op.
“I remember that bison have been clocked in excess of 30mph. Same for Gizzly bears. I have seen youtube video of bears running down deer in brush”
Out of town here, I carry a 10 mm semiautomatic loaded with 15 rounds of solid cast, and Bear Mace. And stay away as much as I can. Not sure how many of those rounds I would get to shoot in a bear attack, but you do read stories about people getting into the double digits, before the bear goes down, which makes a wheel gun look less than optimal. Luckily, so far, most of the brown bear are still in and by Glacier and Yellowstone. But that is changing, as they push into their previous range. Ditto with wolves. Except these aren’t actually the wolves who used to range here, but Canadian cousins that are bigger and run in bigger packs. We have small numbers of both pushing into the county, brown bear on the ridges to the north, and wolves similarly to the south.
I was on that path a few days ago. There are signs all over saying "Stay at least 25 yards away from bison." I didn't see any bison on the trail that day, but there was a group of 6 or so munching at the grass on the roadside on the way in. Some people stopped for photos, but the bison were right next to the roadway, and I had visions of getting my car head-butted by an animal upset at having his breakfast interrupted. So, no pictures of Hawkeye vs. Buffalo.
We arrived at Old Faithful at 6:30 AM, and waited a few minutes for the eruption. There was a handful of people there, so no problem with the view. We went inside the lodge for breakfast and when we came back out to see the next geyser, there were a lot of people. All the seats were taken, so we wandered around to the side of the spout. It turned out to be a better view, and we got a good picture of the sunlight against the water.
It's a very crowded park only if you go where the crowds are. The recommendation is to get out of the car and go off-road, where 95% of tourists never wander. The place is huge and empty if you aren't at a car-centered attraction.
I was surprised to learn a few years ago that there were buffalo herds here in piedmont NC in the 18th century. Appropriately, the messy stretch of interstate in Greensboro that is called Death Valley is right next to Buffalo Creek.
"They refer to the folks visiting as "Tourons"".
Yep. I spent 10 days in Yellowstone and Grand Tetons two years ago. Watched a mother bring her maybe two-year-old up to pet an elk, the elk jumping up and attempting to kick them. What is most criminal is that if the animal hurts the Touron, the animal gets the blame. By the way, the behavior of tourists in Teton backcountry was totally different.
One strange Touron behavior I saw repeatedly is the lack of attention to the most amazingly beautiful sights in the world and, instead, focusing only on "Selfies". Really, I am most amazed that tourism seems to be the process of taking "Selfies" in foreign places.
It is probably best to let those competing for Darwin awards be left alone and let natural selection take its place.
Who knew that Darwin Award candidacy could be passed on to one’s children?
Where's dad? Or mom?
When my youngest sister and I were in Yellowstone in 2004, we were driving on a road with the bison on either side of the raised highway. Because the traffic was slow/stopped, we pulled over on the shoulder to get some pictures of the bison in the meadow, but were smart enough to not get out of the car. While my sister was photographing from the passenger seat, a bison walked right up the embankment onto the shoulder next to our car- my sister was suddenly in my lap. Big scary animals.
And a new Olympic sport is born!
"Where's dad? Or mom?"
They are in the video running away and leaving the girl to fend for herself. Profiles in courage.
the goats were eradicated because they eat native fauna, some of which isn't found anywhere else in the world besides the channel islands.
Isn't it interesting that the "native fauna" are still there to be eaten after 420 years ?
I spent a lot of time on Catalina and there is a lot of "native fauna." The island foxes, for example, are mostly blind because they keep blundering into cactus. They would come down at night when we were having dinner ashore.
About 60 years ago campers were instructed by the rangers at the entry booth (and by signs all over the place) to be sure not to leave food in their tents. Most complied. One group decided there was no reason to do that. Bears appeared. Everyone got in their cars, cranked up the windows, and watched while the bears shredded that group's tents to smithereens in order to get the food.
Bruce Hayden..
I use Glock 40 MOS with Bar-Sto barrel. And I do have some .44 magnums but I saw the light.
This is why I couldn't be too shaudenfreudish about that idiot Harvard prof and the trans-lesbian love triangle story.
Everybody has a weak spot.
10 mm semiautomatic loaded with 15 rounds of solid cast, and Bear Mace
I'm headed to Big Sky in a few weeks and while I carry bear spray it never feels like added security to me. I've seen the bear videos where 'experts' are claiming the video is proof of it's effectiveness it' usually a false charge by the bear or there's a barrier between the bear and the human- a fence line, tree, whatever. Having it is better than not, I suppose...
One of our guides was one of the two guys that shot and killed a MT grizz a few years ago. They went back to recover a ram shot by a client who was injured trying to recover it from a cliff. Of course the grizz was looking for the ram...
"Isn't it interesting that the "native fauna" are still there to be eaten after 420 years?"
No, it's a big island. And there's a lot less than there was. Not all of the fauna is endemic to the islands. So there's a lot of fauna to be found, but increasingly less was found that can be found no where else. It's pretty well documented the affect of human impact on these small islands, and the recovery process, so not worth adding more. It's really one of the great stories in recovering what California used to be like and to preserve very unique species.
But you like goats.
Why all the goat love, Michael K?
Also native flora, which is really what the goats were getting into. I suspect there were other issues. The swine on Santa Cruz had a lot of diseases.
But you like goats.
Why all the goat love, Michael K?
I also like elephants but lunatic environazis killed 30,000 of them in a plan to reverse the Sahara desert or something.
Dogooders usually do harm. How many days did you spend at Catalina ?
the goats were eradicated because they eat native fauna
Carnivorous goats?!?!?!?
There is room for an American running of the bulls, a la Pamplona.
But you would do it with buffalo.
You need to find a local town for the purpose, or build one, with escape-nooks and such.
The open prairie is not suitable as the results are likely to be rather lopsided towards the buffalo.
I imagine a buffalo may be quite good at finding weak spots, if given enough incentive.
About twenty years ago, in Rocky Mountain National park, I saw a fellow pull over and whip out his fancy camera and interpose himself between a mama moose and her calf to start taking pictures. Watching him run back to his car as the mama half-heartedly chased him back to his car and punctuated it with a head butt to the passenger side door was amusing. He was lucky she was so used to idiots.
He had New York state plates.
Buwaya @1:41: Great idea! Weekly rather than yearly. It would be the most popular reality TV show ever.
Or just use bulls. If you've ever watched professional bull riders you know that the bulls that are bred are both powerful and feisty and win far more often than do the riders. It would make for a very entertaining hour.
“He had New York State plates.”
Downstate, we have moose upstate.
Yellowstone. is. not. a. petting. zoo!
Bruce Hayden said...
“I remember that bison have been clocked in excess of 30mph. Same for Gizzly bears. I have seen youtube video of bears running down deer in brush”
Out of town here, I carry a 10 mm semiautomatic loaded with 15 rounds of solid cast, and Bear Mace. And stay away as much as I can. Not sure how many of those rounds I would get to shoot in a bear attack, but you do read stories about people getting into the double digits, before the bear goes down,
Bruce, I recommend this Forest Service non-PC guide, if only for chuckles.
https://www.fs.fed.us/pnw/pubs/gtr152.pdf
examples:
"In the past, most Forest Service professionals working where brown bears occur had personally acquired experience with firearms. In recent years, however, the Forest Service has employed many persons with little or no experience with firearms, and some
with a strong aversion to them"
"The rifles used for training are like those to
be carried in the field (that is, shortbarreled, bolt-action, .375 Magnum). Shooting this rifle may be very unpleasant for some inexperienced persons. They become more apprehensive of the rifle (a known effect) than of the bear (an unknown effect)."
"The most important shot is the first one. If not properly placed, it may also
be the last shot fired. If a bear goes down on the first shot, continue to
shoot. Do not stop to observe the effects of the shots but continue to aim
at vital areas and shoot until the bear stays down and is still. When the bear
has stopped moving, reload, work your way around behind the animal, staying
as far away as practical and possible, and shoot again into the brain or spine.
Make sure the bear is dead. If the bear is still active and the rifle is empty, try
to avoid the bear, reload, and continue to try to kill it."
How many times do I have to tell you knuckleheads? Don't annoy the wildlife. They
don't like it and it can get you hurt.
These creatures aren't pets. They're potential food.
Too many Disney movies.
WaPo can suck my dick.
Carnivorous goats?!?!?!?<
He was on a roll. I didn't want to interrupt his train of thought before it left the station.
Something like this happens every year. Usually someone dies.
"The most important shot is the first one. If not properly placed, it may also
be the last shot fired. If a bear goes down on the first shot, continue to
shoot. Do not stop to observe the effects of the shots but continue to aim
at vital areas and shoot until the bear stays down and is still. When the bear
has stopped moving, reload, work your way around behind the animal, staying
as far away as practical and possible, and shoot again into the brain or spine.
Kinda like Seth Rich's 'attempted robbery' perp. When attempting to rob someone, always shoot him in the back first. Then, when he is down, shoot him in the back again. Make sure he is dead! Oh, and don't bother actually taking anything.
Joe observes: Something like this happens every year. Usually someone dies.
But sometimes it turns out badly.
rehajm,
I've studied bear .vs. man for a long time. There, as of now, 3 cases where 10mm autos were used on bears. One failed because the user didn't know how to operate the weapon (it was not his) and he ejected the mag from the Glock thinking it was the safety!)
Something like 95 percent of firearms uses on bears is successful. Pepper spray NORMALLY works but there are cases of highly enraged bears running right through the cloud of spray and mauling the sprayer!
The key is to be alert, and, if in bushy trails, have the gun in ones hand as 'quick draw' only works if you are lightning fast. This applies to pepper spray to. Having your defense stuck in the pack is just about the same as defenseless.
Something like 95 percent of firearms uses on bears is successful.
That is the subject of some discussion on gun sites. Most people say nothing less than a .357 magnum will stop a bear.
I was going to get my daughter a .44 magnum revolver but had doubts if she could handle it. She is having a baby in the next week so she will not be in the Idaho panhandle this summer and the matter can wait. There are bears around her property but she says a neighbor has big dogs that keep them away, A big gun would be insurance,
WaPo sez:
"According to a 2000 study, Yellowstone’s bison are actually more dangerous than its bears."
In the next sentence they explain that, according to the 2000 study, bears are more dangerous:
"The study found that bison had charged people 81 times over 22 years, killing two. The park’s grizzly bears, meanwhile had injured 30 and killed two, the AP reported."
Two people killed by bison in 22 years. Wildlife hardly kill anyone in Yellowstone compared to drowning and car accidents.
Twelve fatal bear attacks in Glacier NP.
@Michael K., there are women who can handle the recoil from a .44 magnum and even a .500, but there are plenty of grown men who have trouble controlling it. I recall that two of your daughters are very slender; assuming that the daughter you are trying to protect is one of them, she might have problems with .44 mag or 10 mm. Even .357 mag can be a handful for someone not experienced in shooting.
I generally prefer revolvers for inexperienced shooters -- many fewer rounds, but nowhere nearly as prone to jamming. Glock enthusiasts claim that their guns "never" jam -- and truthfully I haven't seen one jam on the range (unlike every other semi-auto) but I'd hate to be in a fight for my life with any semi-auto, even a Glock.
Because of recoil issues I think a carbine is a good choice for a slight woman. Using two arms to steady it and absorbing recoil with your shoulder makes a high powered round much, much easier to handle. I bought my beloved a Beretta CX4 Storm. It is lightweight, and you can adjust the length of pull (length of the buttstock) for a short woman by removing the spacer (or for yourself by adding another spacer). It is most commonly found in 9 mm, but you can get it in .40 caliber, essentially a shorter and less powerful version of the 10 mm. Hi-Point makes a truly ugly, but very effective carbine in 10 mm as well as 9mm. The 13" length of pull may be something your daughter can handle, but it isn't easy to shorten the length of pull in a Hi-Point. OTOH there are videos of young girls using 9mm Hi-Point carbines with excellent accuracy.
According to this website, out of three encounters between a bear and a person armed with a handgun chambered in .40 S&W, the bear was killed all three times. And those were handguns -- a powerful handgun round coming out of a 16" or 20" barrel will hit a lot harder.
An AR-type carbine is also possible, as most have stocks that are adjustable for a shorter person. Not the usual version of the AR chambered in .223 or 5.56 mm, but if you get it in .300 AAC Blackout it should hit a bear hard enough to convince the animal that there's an easier meal elsewhere. Or get it in .308 Winchester, essentially the same as the 7.62 NATO standard round, but now even with a shoulder stock the recoil is an issue.
But really the first question is whether you can count on your daughter to carry the gun when she's outdoors. If the gun is back in the cabin when you need it then it isn't much use. A handgun is way better than a long gun that way, just grab your gunbelt and strap it around your waist on your way out the door.
And instead of a gun you can get her a couple big dogs of her own. In the book "Marley and Me," a young woman entering her house next door to the author's is stabbed (not fatally) during an attempted rape. Marley might be a handful for his owners, but in this case he takes up position between the badly injured woman and the direction of the threat, and the author, John Grogan, realizes that if the attacker comes back Marley will die if necessary to protect that woman. I've seen plenty of videos on YouTube of dogs attacking bears that outweigh them probably 3:1. Dogs are not a bad idea.
SO what is better against a grizzly bear, a handgun or a sawed off shotgun?
@rcocean, a 10 gauge or 12 gauge shotgun loaded with 00 buckshot. Autoloader preferred. But don't saw off the barrels below 18" or BATF will arrest you, if they don't kill you.
Why do rangers in Shenandoah National Park recommend hikers carry bells?
Ans: To scare away black bears.
Why do rangers in Shenandoah National Park search for bear scat?
Ans: To get their bells back.
Big Mike - put an A-2 solid stock on a 308 and recoil is heavily reduced from an adjustable stock. I've an AR-10 in 308 and 6.5 Creedmoor, and the A-2 stock does make a huge difference. As for bear, a good .45 with 230gr FMJ mixed with some JHP, one after another, should work.
@todd, to be honest, I have no particular use for an AR-type platform. Nor an AK.
But really the first question is whether you can count on your daughter to carry the gun when she's outdoors.
She is about to go into labor with her first so all bets are off this year,. I gave her a .38 special but I doubt that is enough.
Next year we will talk about a .44 mag. The 5 acres is next to Lake Pend Oreille and they will be back working on building a house next year,
Michael K said...
"That is the subject of some discussion on gun sites. Most people say nothing less than a .357 magnum will stop a bear"
Well that is if a CNS shot is made. Hence I like the 10mm route with very hard cast slugs. No hand held hand gun will just shock a enraged Brown Bear off it's feet, least reliability. Now Buffalo Bore makes a 180 grain hard cast .357 load just for bears. 1375 fps from a 4 inch barrel. Not bad. In 10mm they make the DANGEROUS GAME Mono-Metal 190 grain slug at about 1200 fps. They claim it will do well for bear protection due to it's penetrative power.
Now I emailed the Alaskan P&W about what their game wardens and troopers used for bear in their 12 gauge shotguns. They replied, Brenneke 'Black Magic' 3 inch slugs. They said Foster slugs do not penetrate enough. And I kind of think they know more about bears than most internet people do.
And after watching the Alaska State Troopers series were I saw several Troopers kill moose with their shotguns (and two of the Game Wardens use Marlin 45/70s) I have to say at least for long guns the 12 gauge and the 45/70 seem to do very well.
Now I do my hiking in Texas. Any plain 180gr JHP will do fine in my Glock 40 since all we have is black bears. But if was hankering to go back to Alaska (been there once) them that 190 grain load would be my pick.
I gave her a .38 special but I doubt that is enough.
Some people argue that the .38 is not enough to stop a man, much less a charging grizzly. Take a look, please at the website I linked to -- there are actual cases where people had to defend their lives against black and grizzly bears with a handgun. A 9mm hits harder than a .38 unless you're shooting +P, but out of four cases where people defended themselves with a 9mm, in two cases the bear was only wounded (though one of the wounded bears eventually died of its wound -- but note the word "eventually"). Out of three cases with a .357 magnum, two killed the animal and in the third a geologist only wounded the animal and decided to play dead instead of firing more shots -- he very nearly was dead for real. All other cases where a handgun was used to defend against a bear, generally with larger caliber rounds, the defense was successful and the bear was killed or ran off after a warning shot.
Regarding the man-stopper capability of the .38, there is a case where a woman retreated with her two young kids into the back of her attic in the face of a home invasion. The home invader followed her into the attic. She had a small revolver and fired all five rounds into his head and neck and it wasn't enough to stop him from continuing. Only after she yelled at him to the effect that if he wanted more she'd by heaven give him more that he reconsidered and fled the house. He was found dead in the driveway. She was out of ammo.
@Michael K., also I hope Kate will lend a hand in selecting a defensive weapon and training her sister. On the whole women learn better from other women.
Speaking of brown bears, this is one of my favorite YouTube clips. They are very intelligent but very unpredictable. Note that the bear gets closer to the rifle than the photographer because among other things, bears can move very silently when they feel like it.
All this handgun vs bears stuff? Ummm do the make handguns in .450 Marlin?
Regarding the destructive ability of brown bears...
When my daughter was in college she had a summer job doing trail maintenance in the Bob Marshall Wilderness Area.
One weekend she and a friend decided to hike to one of the nearby Forest Service cabins. When they arrived they found it somewhat messed up because a bear had gotten in looking for food, and had broken the door getting in and tossed around some of the shelves and stuff inside.
So they spent the weekend basically cleaning up the cabin, as a free donation to Uncle Sam, and upon leaving did an extra serious job of securing the place.
Well, somebody else went by that cabin a week or two later, and found that apparently the bear had come back and was pissed off at finding it locked up tightly again. He had basically knocked down the entire cabin, including the very strong front door that had a piece of plywood screwed over it with nails sticking out, and a large plywood "welcome mat" on the front porch floor in front of the door with 2 inch nails all over it sticking up.
I blame Walt Disney.
I was in Yosemite NP a couple of years ago and a woman with her daughter were approaching a fawn to get a closeup. Mama deer was approaching them from behind. I rounded the corner before I saw what could have been bloody.
Idjits.
City dwelling idjits.
The same kind that don't understand the relationship between animals and meat.
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