Nixonian Bullshit! There is nothing the least bit similar. As Mueller's report documents, Trump cooperated fully with the investigation, instructed his administration and staff to do so, and refused to exert executive privilege over any of the investigation report and findings.
Delusional Democrats and Media (BIRM) beclown themselves again.
Is this one of those Machiavellian tricks by Trump to get everyone to review the history of what Nixon did, so that suddenly the activities of the Obama administration are clearly seen as worse than Nixonian?
I came of age in the Nixon era. I watched essentially every minute of the Watergate hearings on live TV. I laughed aloud in glee when Nixon resigned, because he was guilty as charged.
Since then, there have been false charges that sometimes worked and sometimes didn't work, and there have been true charges that sometimes worked and sometimes didn't work, to remove opponents from office.
The use of such charges against the opposition rather than gaining support for one's own ideals, policies, and politicians has increased in frequency and sophistication since Nixon. I don't think this practice will lead to the benefit of the populace nor improve the nation itself. That said, I hope Barr prosecutes Hillary, just for the schadenfreudilicious landslide it would produce in 2020.
Members of Congress and the Administration surely have wished and perhaps expressed over the past two years a desire to murder one or two across the aisle. Yet, there's no body and no blood. Lacking same, there's no crime (forgive me, Father, for I am guilty of impure thoughts).
Impeach away, all you silly fools in Congress. With Nixon, there was overwhelming public sentiment against that man, enough to insulate any member of Congress from an electoral challenge. The basis for the Watergate investigation wasn't suspect. The democrats scored a substantial victory in the 1974 mid-terms. It's different this time.
I lived through the Nixon years. The only thing Nixonian about this fustercluck is the coverup being attempted by the left and the Lickspittle Media (BIRM).
Felt so Nixonian to beclowned pundit Max Boot that he wanted Trump impeached for obstruction as Boot asserted Nixon had been impeached, resulting in some funny corrections on Twitter. It's all very Nixonian in the sense that Conrad Black has explained, but that's a revisionist definition of Nixonian that has Nixon as a far better president than is commonly remembered.
Trump is the opposite of Nixon. Nixon wanted to turn the IRS, FBI, and CIA into weapons to be used against his enemies, but the agencies had too much integrity to do so. Trump’s predecessor in office succeeded in turning the FBI and CIA into weapons that were employed against Trump, except Trump won and they failed. For the good of this country and for the second time in the history of the US we need to put a reformer in charge of he FBI and clean up that bureau from top to bottom. Ditto the CIA, except no one has held them to account before. Trump also needs to replace every FISA judge with people possessing integrity. The IRS needs to be brought to heel. It’s gonna be a lot of work and the media will raise Hell, but it has to be done for the good of the country.
I admired Nixon. I have a little portait of his on my desk, in a black frame, which I aquired when he died.
He was one of those early victims of the corporatist-bureaucratic system, trapped by a disingenuous application of double-standards and an early form of the media machine.
Back then though the American people were much more naive.
Defenders of Nixon's foreign policy have said that foreign leaders, including those in China, had no idea why Nixon was forced to resign. What exactly did he do wrong? He covered up a burglary that was in itself fairly low-grade partisan politics. The hacking of its day. Because he (presumably) suborned perjury and bribed witnesses, Nixon faced the possibility of obstruction of justice charges--the way anyone, whether holding elective office or not, might be charged. That's why Ford pardoned him. Dershowitz's point that a president can't be prosecuted for obstruction for performing acts that are within his constitutional authority is still correct. Nixon had the right to fire special prosecutors and Attorneys General. I always opposed the impeachment of Clinton, which must have been even more of a mystery to foreign leaders. Isn't the U.S. the land of sexual freedom? There was plenty of rage in both the earlier cases, but the anti-Trump rage has always seemed special to me. He doesn't so much articulate opposition to progressive policies (or the policies of "smart" people in foreign policy and economics) as he acts like he has barely heard of them, and assumes that sane people can ignore them. He sometimes rants that he might do something Nixonian, but he never does so.
Boy if there is any more proof needed that the democrat propaganda media still have a jornolist somewhere, I do not need to see it. It appears the most collusion being practiced is by the democrat propaganda outlets.
The Media is lost. Nothing they write or say has an effect anymore. The take down of Nixon they dream about was 50 years ago. It sounds like rapid onset delirium from going off their RussiaGate Addiction cold turkey.
The only Nixonian aspect of this attempted coup is that had Nixon been more like Trump the Democrats would not have been successful in driving him out of office. I only hope that trump gets the DoJ cleaned up and then fully go after Obama and his crew. They are the real criminals here.
Nixon is to the left as the Pettus bridge is to the left. Something that happened a long time ago they would have proudly and valiantly done something about. Probably.
I've been occasionally listening to NPR and it is like they are living in bizzaro-world.
They have seriously posited that when Trump publicly hoped that the Russians hacked the Clinton server and would publish the emails Hillary illegally deleted, that was collusion. How is that collusion? It is not as if he said that if they did that, he would be more flexible with them or anything.
They seriously claimed that Trump is not exonerated by the report. In what world does a prosecutor exonerate anyone? They charge you if they think they have a chance at conviction and unless you have been found guilty, you are presumed innocent. I didn't attend the Columbia School of Journalism, but I did learn about innocent until proven guilty in elementary school.
I was born in 1974 so I have no strong feelings about Nixon one way or the other. I know all the relevant facts about his presidency and Watergate, but it's all more of an acedemic thing for me. That's the way humans work, we tend to only develop strong feelings for things that effect and have effected us, for moments in history that we've actually lived through. I expect that people who were born around or after 911 aren't going to have strong feelings about that either.
I wonder if Mueller had a journalist writing the report? Some of it reads like bullshit gossip. For example, the part about how he said
"Oh my God. This is terrible. This is the end of my Presidency. I' m fucked."
This is what Mueller quoted and this is what was widely reported.
It is not the complete quote, though. What President Trump also said was
"Everyone tells me if you get one of these independent counsels it ruins your presidency. It takes years and years and I won' t be able to do anything. This is the worst thing that ever happened to me.
Mueller, in his writing, puts a lot of verbiage between the two parts of the quote. Most people miss the second part.
I think PDJTs fears were correct. If he were a lesser man, this kind of investigation, regardless of the underlying truth or, in this case falseness, would completely hobble his presidency.
Fortunately PDJT is Donald freaking Trump and has managed to get one Hell of a lot done in spite of the hobbles.
Economy Killing Obamacare (in progress) North Korea ( 2 steps forward 1 back) Trade World peace Middle East peace (dare we hope?) Lots and lots of federal judges Immigration (progress after 40 years or so) and so on.
He did this all with the hobbles of the Mueller investigation, a hostile lying press, hostility from the Dems (to be expected) and hostility from his own party (WTF?)
Just think what he could have accomplished had he been unbound.
I'm not even kidding. If it is illegal to speak to the Russians, even offical Russian representatives, then Obama and Hillary committed the very same crimes. Even worse.
"The Media is lost. Nothing they write or say has an effect anymore. The take down of Nixon they dream about was 50 years ago. It sounds like rapid onset delirium from going off their RussiaGate Addiction cold turkey."
Hilarious that Haberman of the paper of record, or of toilets, claimed the White House's playing the song Edelweiss means Trump is a Nazi sympathizer. You can't fix stupid, or crazy for that matter.
Some guys want to "Dance Like Jagger". I want to Feel Like Nixon!
I agree (speaking as a geezer who was there) with buwaya's and Michael K's appraisal of the man. Aside from some misguided domestic policy decisions (e.g. wage & price controls) he was not a bad President at all. He certainly put the emphasis on looking out for the US (and Israel), unlike the smirking Marxist puke Obama, who was more or less working for the interests of our enemies for eight years, when he was paying attention at all.
IF Trump is a problem, let it be resolved at the ballet box.
That reminds me of something that occurred to me the other day. I may have seen it somewhere but, if I did, do not remember.
You folks in most of the upper 50 have serious problems with elections. Registration of illegals, ballot harvesting, no ID at the polls, people registered in multiple places, early and absentee voting, electronic voting machines and a host of other fraud, apparent fraud and opportunities for fraud.
(Not our secure elections down here)
President Trump, in 2017, initiated a commission to look into state voting practices. Lots of hooraw about it and the commission was "disbanded". Disbanded in the sense that it was renamed and went underground. It is still beavering away.
President Trump has mentioned several times that we need to take steps to assure that Russians or anyone will never be able interfere in our elections again. Will the silver lining of the Mueller report be a push (excuse?) to establish trustworthy elections in the US?
Nixon was not a very likeable guy, so a lot of people didn't like him, Ike included. If he were more of a mensch he probably could have bullshitted his way out of the Watergate flap. I remember Nixon quite well, and if anybody today is Nixonian, it's Hillary.
When people were making a big deal about Flynn talking to the Russian Ambassador after the election win, real journalists uncovered the names of 14 or so Democrats that had met with that Ambassador within the previous couple of months, hoping to get a meeting with a Russian oligarch because the least you can walk away with is a $100,000 watch.
My guess is that we will have to wait for Trump to win reelection in 2020 before the true effort to hold these swamp-dwellers and corrupt elites (but I repeat myself) accountable.
After DJT wins reelection, he won't have to worry about the MSM or the Congress. He can just go in there with Draino® and a power washer and fully expose these b_st_rds and disclose what what they did. He won't care about the MSM, and Fox (presumably) and social media (surely) will ensure that the American people find out what really happened.
I think Trump underestimated how corrupt the establishment really is, but one can't blame him. I don't think any of us realized how bad it is. The cretins in the intelligence community, the DOJ, and the FBI (senior management)—all SO smart—misjudged Trump and the citizenry. They screwed the pooch, and once Trump is in his second term, it will be payback time.
It's really amazing that, even with the Mueller Report, these egotistical fools still can't realize that they were wrong, pathetically wrong.
Molly at 8:48 stated the take I was going to make.
If we extrapolate Trump's enemies to be akin to Nixon's enemies, then one might have to accordingly rethink the motives and relative 'honesty' of Nixon's enemies.
In the Seventies the Media excitedly swallowed what Deep Throat squirted.
Only Nixonian in that is was an attempt to Watergate.
wa·ter·gate /ˈwôdərɡāt,ˈwädərˌɡāt/
verb
Archaic: putsch, golpe, coup d'etat.
To overthrow of an existing government via highly motivated efforts of a political faction coordinated with academia and mainstream media via agitprop, deceptive polling, and psychological tactics. To foment overwhelming opposition from the public and political allies that pressures existing government to peacefully leave office. Usually described as 'for the good of the country'.
Nixon and Kennedy, two icons for Boomers. So now we have a President who is Nixonian and a Democratic Presidental candidate who is Kennedyesque.
And of course, neither is like that. It’s short hand trying to create an image and a narrative.
I would dare say that if we had an investigation of every new administration with the threat of perjury we would create unflattering reports of every administration.
What would the special prosecutor report of this Jesus movement and his twelve advisors been like in AD33?
As for the Media, after all this I honestly don't understand how people can still take them seriously anymore.
I mean, I know that most people will consume news that confirms their biases about reality. Most people and are less interested in the actual truth than they might imagine themselves to be. They like the idea of the truth. They like it when their view of reality seems to be supported by an objective truth. But when the news being reported seems to contradict their view of reality, I suspect that many people will just stop watching it in order to avoid cognitive dissonance.
If you're a person who really, really hates Trump, obviously you want to believe all these horrible things about him. A person like that will have happily consumed all the nonsense about Trump that's been put out by CNN, MSNB, the NYT, WaPo, as well as all the late night comedy shows have put out over the past 2+ years. All the wild speculation about collusion, the constant interpreting of all of Trump's actions in the worst possible light, all the dumb jokes, would be something a person who hated Trump would greatly enjoy watching. All the promises of the Mueller report, what would happen once it was released, the certainty of impeachment! would have kept you eagerly watching and reading.
But now reality has let you down. Your options are to either ignore or deny reality, or accept it as it is. But either way, you're probably not going to watch or read from those sources that let you down for a while. You might even be at least a little more skeptical of certain negative stories about Trump from unnamed "sources" if you're capable of any level of self evaluation.
Tcrosse said: . I remember Nixon quite well, and if anybody today is Nixonian, it's Hillary.
I'm 2/3rds of the way through Caro's LBJ books, and i'd have to say, if Hillary resembles anyone, it's LBJ. Nixon had scruples, Nixon did what he did for (what he thought was) the good of the country LBJ was Completely amoral, LBJ did what he did for the good of LBJ Nixon got us OUT of wars LBJ got us INTO wars Nixon was paranoid (because they WERE out to get him) LBJ was psychotic Nixon was despised by the media LBJ had the media sucking his dick (LITERALLY)
In the 1930s and 40s the Russians had not only colluded but had co-opted much of our government. We were riddled with Soviet agents. Our vice-president, Henry Wallace (43-45) was a Soviet tool and possibly a Soviet agent.
I don't think we yet know the full extent.
McCarthy, Nixon, McCarran and others went after them and exposed many. They did a lot to destroy the Soviet networks in the US. Most famously for Nixon, Alger Hiss.
For that they had to be destroyed.
Well, not Pat McCarran. He was a Democrat so gets a pass, an airport and a terrible, anti-American Act. (McCarran Internal Security Act)
First, ask whether it was Clintonian: Was there any "is" "is" defense? Is there any underlying crime that is being sought to be hidden from view? Where is the White House orchestrated job offers to preserve silence by key witnesses? Where is the public denial of private conduct that actually did happen?
Mccarran was like Gaston deferre who represented marseilles, one can fault him for mccarran Ferguson which saddled us with our current health care dilemma
I'm 2/3rds of the way through Caro's LBJ books, and i'd have to say, if Hillary resembles anyone, it's LBJ. Nixon had scruples, Nixon did what he did for (what he thought was) the good of the country LBJ was Completely amoral, LBJ did what he did for the good of LBJ
To some extant I agree but Hillary is Nurse Rachet and LBJ was Huey Long, They were equally corrupt but different personalities. One big difference is that Hillary was never poor like LBJ and his mentor Mister Sam.
John Dean is STILL saying its "Worse then Watergate". BTW, Clinton beat Nixon in unethical behavior, so it should be "Clintonesque". However, Bill was smarter and more ruthless than Nixon. Clinton also had much more loyal flunkies and subordinates. Nixon was your typical "pragmatic" Republican who got destroyed because he surrounded himself with disloyal people whose only motivation was power and self-interest. With the exception of Halderman and Lidddy, no one "fell on their sword" for Nixon.
I didn’t see this exchange because there is no way to pay me enough money to watch Brian Williams, but I loved reading about it:
“My first question, I’m afraid, is going to verge on plain English,” Williams began. “Where did the attorney general get off with that characterization this morning, including four mentions that there was no collusion? What document was he reading, compared to the one we’re left with?”
Sekulow responded, “Well, page two of the document says, ‘The investigation did not establish that members of the Trump campaign coordinated with the Russian government in its election of interference activities.’ So it’s right from the document itself.”
The longer the Democrats obsess over the Mueller report and the possibility of obstruction, the bigger hole they dig for themselves.
The reason is simple. The average American -- what Groucho Marx used to call the Barber in Peru (Indiana) -- not the army of Beltway lawyers, will scratch his/her head about why someone should be charged with obstructing justice for a crime he did not commit and did not even occur>
"My guess is that we will have to wait for Trump to win reelection in 2020 before the true effort to hold these swamp-dwellers and corrupt elites (but I repeat myself) accountable."
No. We have learned what happens when we push our expectations to "waiting till the GOP takes the House, waiting till the GOP takes the Senate, waiting till the GOP has a super majority, waiting till after midterms"
Nothing happens.
Do it now and use it to get the House back, not the other way around.
I do not trust that the people irresponsible for this coup will be held accountable. That is very very bad.
"Nixon was the victim of a coup d'etat by the FBI but he was badly handicapped by being humorless."
True. Also, possibly the CIA. His 2 main plumbers McCord and Hunt were "former" high ranking CIA agents, who were reporting their shenanigans to current CIA Director Richard Helms.
Horowitz IG Report on the FISA comes out in May or June. Barr should jump on it to indict Strzok and McCabe, and any of the designated leakers of classified information.
McCabe then rats out Comey.
Now, Brennan starts to sweat.
Only 1 person above Brennan - he who has been strangely silent and disengaged by these matters....
Watergate is a parking ticket compared to what the Democratic controlled and weaponized DOJ, FBI, Obama administration, and national media did to Trump and the American people. Enjoy jail.
McCarthy, Nixon, McCarran and others went after them and exposed many. They did a lot to destroy the Soviet networks in the US. Most famously for Nixon, Alger Hiss.
For that they had to be destroyed.
Well, not Pat McCarran. He was a Democrat so gets a pass, an airport and a terrible, anti-American Act. (McCarran Internal Security Act)
Outstanding work. Most people know and fear the dreaded Sen. Joe McCarthy, but Sen. Pat McCarran from Nevada was probably more McCarthy-esque than McCarthy. But he died a couple years before McCarthy and, as you note, was a Democrat, so nobody really cares about him.
A friendly letter in the mailbag is always most welcome, and that certainly was the case with yours of October 23rd.
It was thoughtful of you to take the time to write as you did, and I wanted you to know of my appreciation.
With best wishes, Sincerely, (Richard Nixon)
P.S. King Timahoe is with us and in the best of health; Vicki has been int he family since 1962 and is amazingly active and well for her years.
(Letter from Nixon to Lazlo Toth, who had written to get a rise out of him one way or another. The letters in the book that show good character, i.e. took the letters as from an equal, are from Nixon and Nguyen Cau Ky, two of the bad guys in popular lore. _The Lazlo Letters_ first vol)
what what no inigo montoya reference, 'those words you are using' McCarran kept many subversives out of this country, yes it also kept a salavadoran patriot, as well, would that we had such a law would have a tlaib, or an omar, the latter certainly was associated with far left elements in her country, the same for tlaib, heck we had the grandson of a member of black September who ran for congress against Duncan hunter,
ky wasn't part of the coup that deposed diem, which set us on this nightmarish 'street without end' that was big minh, who ended up the last leader of south Vietnam,
Except for the burglary, the firing of special prosecutor Cox, the impeachment, and the resignation. ******************
No impeachment in Nixon's case, just the imminent threat thereof. Max Boot got this wrong yesterday.
"An impeachment process against Richard Nixon was formally initiated on February 6, 1974, when the United States House of Representatives passed a resolution, giving its Judiciary Committee **authority to investigate whether sufficient grounds existed** to impeach Richard Nixon,
rcocean: "John Dean is STILL saying its "Worse then Watergate"."
Of course he is.
Dean has literally dined out on that line for the last 40 years!! What's funny is that the dems/left/LLR-left actually believe that having John Dean pop onto CNN/MSNBC to vomit up that tired line is effective despite the fact that it actually falls on 99.7% deaf ears as he was forgotten long, long ago.
It's like having to look at the obviously morbidly obese Carl Bernstein on CNN. Talk about repulsive.
In order for it to be Nixonian, there has to be a crime and cover up. There isn't either, so now it's just the latest propaganda lie to keep this all going.
It's like NBC trumpeting that there were "10 INSTANCES THAT MUELLER LOOKED AT AS POSSIBLE OBSTRUCTION" and then downplaying that he didn't find that any obstruction had actually occurred.
The doubling down on the fake news isn't going to help them in the long run.
There are those of us who would like to see accountability for the deep state perpetrators to restore at least a thimble of faith in government, primary over political expediency.
readering said... Mueller delivers devastating portrait of Donald Trump. Althouse, hands over ears: "I can't hear you!"
I don't think you people get it.
Here it is in crayons.
We see you. You voted for Hillary. You voted for Obama
Hillary and Obama used the government FBI, NSA, CIA, State Department, and other state agencies to run a stalinist state inquisition against a political opponent.
You people are just as bad as the people that supported Nazi's and Stalinists and Red Guards.
You are evil.
We will never accept a democrat president again. I don't care how may illegals you ship in from central america to vote.
"devastating portrait" -sugary language devoid of any nutrition.
One could parse and arrive at the conclusion Trump, despite justifiable anger, resisted inappropriate action, sought advice and deferred to the judgement of advisors when presented with the right course of action. Seems quite Presidential to me...
rehajm said... Do it now and use it to get the House back
There are those of us who would like to see accountability for the deep state perpetrators to restore at least a thimble of faith in government, primary over political expediency.
Our entire federal government is completely illegitimate until the democrats and republicans that participated in this coup are punished appropriately.
The people that support this coup must be shamed.
Our country is founded on several principals and two of those are equal justice under the law and the rule of law.
Democrats a cuck state republicans are trying to destroy both.
There is no common ground with people that think this is acceptable.
questions we aren't allowed to review, I believe james Dalton, one of james gradys nom de plum, did have a roman a clef, that included those connections along with the pentagon spy ring, some time in the 90s,
I can't hear a portrait either, even with my ears uncovered. But Ann draws a pretty decent rat, for someone who can't smell a rat. Wake up and hear the coffee, America! Some conspiracies you can't see or hear or taste or smell. But can't you just feel Russia closing in?
1. In 2016, the Left believed Hillary would win. They were WRONG.
2. In 2019, the Left believed Mueller would indict Trump. They were WRONG.
They are down in the count -- one more strike and yer outttt!
At some point, it'd be reasonable and mature for the Left to acknowledge being WRONG on the last 2 big political events, and then maybe self-reflect on why they keep getting big stuff wrong.
Perhaps, they are missing something. Perhaps, they are living in a bubble. Perhaps, they are not testing their hypotheses in the real world. Perhaps, they refuse to listen to opposing or dissenting viewpoints.
What turns out to be truly Nixonian is the FBI cover-up of the Clinton Cover-up.
FOIA requests by Judicial Watch of the FBI Clinton email crimes turned up an email from the Clinton IT folks internally.
"It's all part of the Clinton cover-up. :) I'll tell you about it at the party"
Dec 11, 2014
previously Clinton lawyers had turned over all of what they claimed were work emails. The IT guys were moving behind the lawyers cleaning up and covering up...
The FBI didn't seen the cover-up as "mens rea" ( the intention or knowledge of wrongdoing that constitutes part of a crime)
Nixon... Trump... the Althouse blog... this is like going to a cocktail party at Roger Stone’s house, minus the open sex swinging, the search warrants and the federal agents.
we didn't chose the template, but In fact the squire from whittaker got a raw deal, served up Sicilian style, by superannuated gs 15s, and legacy press, that served as kennedy hagiographers.
Nixon's problem wasn't that he was Nixonian but rather that he wasn't Clintonesque. Had he done a Clinton and burned the tapes he wouldn't have been forced to resign. Nixon was insufficiently evil like Hillary.
The AP noted that the Palestinians have prioritized paying Palestinian terrorists out of its “martyr’s fund” over other budget priorities. For example, now that the United States and Israel have imposed punitive measures on the PA for its refusal to negotiate and its continued financial incentives to terrorists, “the Palestinian Authority has begun paying only half salaries to tens of thousands of civil servants, reduced services and increased borrowing.”
This is unsustainable in a normal environment. The PA would implode without outside support and there would be peace.
But the globalists fund the terrorism and strife. They control the major EU countries that are the primary funders of this crap.
This is tied directly to the deep state war on Trump and our country. The globalists want the strife. They want war and misery and they want to blame it on Trump.
rehajm: There are those of us who would like to see accountability for the deep state perpetrators to restore at least a thimble of faith in government, primary over political expediency.
We agree, that's how we get from point A to point B.
What I meant was that we can't go back to the mentality of "we must wait to get X before we can do Y". If we fall back into that, we'll be waiting to have our faith restored for as long as we have been waiting for the Border Wall we were promised 20 years ago.
Bring justice to the those who plotted the Coup NOW, not after the next election, not after we have a Senate supermajority, not after Trump's successor is seated, not after the next Census. DO IT NOW. Because if we don't, the Rommneys and McCains will slow-roll this until it becomes "that thing that was never settled".
Now the lunatic LLR-left/Left (McClatchy in this case) are actually running stories asserting that even if Michael Cohen never traveled to Prague, perhaps his phone actually was in Prague regardless!!
McClatchy has gone FULL LLR Chuck with their x-tupling down on their conspiracy theories!!
As with LLR Chuck today, if you thought the left was going to return to rational thought after being bludgeoned by reality, you find yourself quickly disabused of such notions!
What I meant was that we can't go back to the mentality of "we must wait to get X before we can do Y". If we fall back into that, we'll be waiting to have our faith restored for as long as we have been waiting for the Border Wall we were promised 20 years ago
I should communicate more clearly. This has been my experience with the GOP:
Us: We need to do X
GOP: That's not the hill to die on. We can't do X till we control the House
Us: Okay, we worked our ass off and gave you the House. Now?
GOP: Wellllll no, we need the Senate to pass X
Us: Okay, we worked our ass off and gave you the Senate. Let's roll.
GOP: Not so fast. Executive Branch, then X
Us. GRRRR. Fine. Here is the Presidency. Can we go now?
GOP: Better if we has a super-majority in the Senate.
Us: Are you - ... whatever. Here, your super-majority as promised. Now we get X!
GOP: That's nuts. If we do X now we risk our majority!
Us: &%^%%#$%$#$!
That's why it infuriates me when someone says we need to get the House back before we bring justice to the traitors. I know he didn't mean it this way, but it's like freeing a battered wife only only to see her run back to her husband.
Don't wait for the control of the House to bring Justice. Bring justice now and you will get control of the House.
translation: We nominate Trump to go poop in their wheaties.
That's why it infuriates me when someone says we need to get the House back before we bring justice to the traitors. I know he didn't mean it this way, but it's like freeing a battered wife only only to see her run back to her husband.
Don't wait for the control of the House to bring Justice. Bring justice now and you will get control of the House.
The choice is wrong.
It isn't Enforce the Rule of law and apply equal justice and you get control of the house.
It should be Enoforce the Rule of Law and apply equal justice and we wont hunt you down with your traitor allies.
You know by now most DC republicans are on the other side. They are just as complicit as the democrats in all of this.
ISIKOFF: What would be your top three if you were drafting the articles of impeachment?
OCASIO-CORTEZ: The top three? I think number one is emoluments. I think it’s always been emoluments. It’s always been about that for me.
ISIKOFF: Two and three?
OCASIO-CORTEZ: Two and three. I think two would be tax fraud. And number three, um. Man, number three.
ISIKOFF: Interesting that you don’t mention Russia.
OCASIO-CORTEZ: No, I don’t. Because I think that for a lot of aspects of the Russia investigation, as we saw with the Mueller report, I think there are a lot of parts of the Russia issue that some down to emoluments. Pay-for-play, financial transactions, Trump Tower. It comes down to money. And if we had gotten something from the Mueller report I would probably put that up there as number one, but I feel like it is a little risky to put all your eggs in that basket. And I think a lot of this stuff happens through backdoor bank accounts and stuff like that. So emoluments kind of includes any financial misconduct in relation to Russia.
"Clanton attacked at least three people with a metal U-lock during the April 15 rally in and around Civic Center Park. Court papers later revealed that Clanton struck at least seven people in the head, according to authorities. One person received a head laceration that required five staples to fix. Another was uninjured but had a piece of a helmet broken off. A third was struck across the neck and back, police wrote.
According to Alameda County Superior Court records, Clanton entered a “no contest” plea Wednesday to one misdemeanor battery charge. The felony charges against him were dismissed, and an allegation that he had caused serious bodily injury was stricken. A misdemeanor charge that Clanton wore a mask during the commission of the crime also was dropped."
If conservatives had the will to hunt down the perps behind the Coup attempt, they would already have put Eric Clanton in a hospital bed for the rest of his life. That has not happened.
It doesn't bring me any joy to realize this. Republicans are pussies. Conservatism has a fatal flaw of passivity, always erring on the side of caution, never going for the ball, always falling back into a Prevent Defense. I'm a child of Goldwater and I have lost faith.
well it's Berkeley, the Bernie mobs rampage even against an openly gay greek catholic tech writer, who doesn't fancy being stoned to death, but the acquittal of the j 20 rioters, with the evidence provided by veritas of Robert creamer's provocateurs, was more troubling,
BTW my morning paper tells me that the guy with the beard standing behind Bill Barr was Principal Associate Deputy Attorney General Edward O'Callaghan. i wonder if there's anybody at the DOJ with a longer title.
In the Sixties I knew a Communist, the real thing, and he told me the last time I saw him that he was going to teach in a college because they were going to do a Long March through institutions i.e, take them over. Well, now that's happened and it was time to come out in the open. So they stage this attempted coup; the other possibility was Hillary. But the election failed and the coup failed and the tide is going the other way. Yes, we should prosecute but let's fix the intelligence agencies; and let's investigate the Clintons; and don't sweat the small stuff. Leave the media to lose audience share, their jobs, their houses etc. on their own ("Sophisticated people read the Mueller Report and realize they are still right about everything still. Right. Still." Carl Bernstein to Chris Cuomo. Another 10,000 viewers turn away forever from Chris Cuomo.) And remember, we won't win if we insult the regular people, our own relatives, now trying to kick the habit of media belief.
Nixon'd removal from office was a soft coup. The left HATED Nixon with a passion for the crime of defeating Helen Gahagan Douglas in his senate race.
I do remember talking to many people when he resigned. And if a do over election had occurred between Nixon and McGovern after Nixon resigned- Nixon would still win.
BTW, George McGovern did something different for a politician. He started running a business. A real business, not a PR firm or law firm. And discovered that all those business regulations he voted for interfered with running a business!
In 1988, using the money he had earned from his speeches, the McGoverns bought, renovated, and began running a 150-room inn in Stratford, Connecticut, with the goal of providing a hotel, restaurant, and public conference facility.[251][264] It went into bankruptcy in 1990 and closed the following year.[265] In 1992 McGovern's published reflections on the experience appeared in Wall Street Journal and the Nation's Restaurant News.[264][266] He attributed part of the failure to the early 1990s recession, but also part to the cost of dealing with federal, state, and local regulations that were passed with good intentions but made life difficult for small businesses, and to the cost of dealing with frivolous lawsuits.[264] McGovern wrote, "I ... wish that during the years I was in public office I had had this firsthand experience about the difficulties business people face every day. That knowledge would have made me a better U.S. senator and a more understanding presidential contender
"McGovern wrote, "I ... wish that during the years I was in public office I had had this firsthand experience about the difficulties business people face every day. That knowledge would have made me a better U.S. senator and a more understanding presidential contender"
Worth repeating... during every election. The nation is more dependent on business and its efficiency and confidence than any other thing we do. It pays for and facilitates everything else.
I just realized, I've allowed the media to hallucinate me into thinking Russia-gate was a 'thing' all this time. That Gallup poll has freed my mind. I suggest everyone else look it up:
Congresswoman O-C majored in International Relations and seems ignorant of some pretty basic facts of international relations. She also majored in economics and seems ignorant of some pretty basic economic principles.
But on the Emoluments Clause, she's an expert - and she didn't even major in Con Law! Remarkable.
In the 1930s and 40s the Russians had not only colluded but had co-opted much of our government. We were riddled with Soviet agents. Our vice-president, Henry Wallace (43-45) was a Soviet tool and possibly a Soviet agent.
I understand your point, even though Wallace was never proven to be a Communist agent. Wallace surrounded himself with Communist Aides and advisers and took positions that were straight out of the CPSUSA party platform - yet there's no evidence he was ever a communist party member. The same is true of Harry Hopkins. I suppose they were so Pro-USSR that the difference between them and an actual communist in foreign affairs was almost zero.
And why was Wallace chosen to be VP in 1940 by FDR? No one has ever answered that. FDR was warned Wallace was a political liability and would LOSE him votes. No one in his cabinet thought he was capable of being President, and no one outside of the Far-left and CPUSA supported his Vice-Presidency. Yet, of all the people FDR could have chosen, he chose Wallace. He not only chose him, he told the Democratic Convention that he wouldn't run in 1940, if they didn't approve Wallace as VP.
I see National Review and David French are doing their usual NEVERTRUMP dance. The Report shows Trump is terrible, but the Democrats aren't very nice either. "A Plague on both their houses". But that Mueller fellow, I like the cut of his jib. Andy McCarthy is praising Mueller for being so prompt in getting out the report! 22 Months to cut and paste news articles Trump tweets and write 450 pages of legal bullshit about "Obstruction".
Now that 3+ years of lefty/dem spying on domestic political opponents, dems going full Stasi by trying to an Op to undercut an opposition candidate, then weaponizing the federal govt to setup and frame and then destroy a President-Elect/President and his entire family, has all come to an end and been partially exposed, Howard would like for everyone to let bygones be bygones and lets not quibble about who went full marxist and who didn't and lets not talk any further about this unfortunate "accident" and sequence of events.
Let's all just move on, quietly, until the next time the left wants to do this.
Well Howard, LLR Chuck is already fully onboard with that "plan", as you knew he would be. So you've got that going for you, which is nice.
rcocean: "So when is Trump going to fire Rosenprick? HE started this whole mess."
Barr is keeping him on a short leash to ensure that in any conversation about the results of this coup attempt so that Rosenstein can stand there and help clean up the mess he created.
One can only imagine what Barr already knows and what those convo's with Rosenstein have been like.....
"I see National Review and David French are doing their usual NEVERTRUMP dance"
I checked them out last night. Their main article on the Meuller report had NINE comments. At the same time, the Mueller thread here at Althouse was approaching 700.
I watched the third Kennedy-Nixon (October 13, 1960) debate when I was in high school without having any political leanings one way or the other.
After I heard Nixon go into textbook pious hyper-unctuous hypocritical mode while asserting that the children of America needed protection from Harry Truman's salty language, I knew right away what kind of guy he was.
Certainly worth a watch if you haven't seen it before:
"In this [2 minute,33 seconds] clip, the candidates respond to a question about former President Harry S. Truman saying that Nixon and the Republican Party should "go to hell."
Nixon had a sort of pious manner and no sense of humor, which was a serious handicap in the first TV election.
Now, we are in the late TV election era where Trump, like Reagan, is a master at the visual arts. It also happens that the grifters from Arkansas immunized the electorate to crooks.
I hope that there's a special place in hell for those who want to rend the country again like it was in the seventies. Please let the courts suss this out, ignore the shouting on the left and right, and find common ground with your neighbors.
LOOK! Mueller has delivered a "devastating portrait." Too bad he was hired and expected to deliver indictments, innit? On the other hand, painting in so much detail gave plenty of time for 1) much to be leaked and 2) much (and more important) to be scrubbed.
Our organs of state security couldn't even frame the guy competently. No wonder the Sovi--sorry Russians--ran wild. Or so we are told. Too bad we didn't have anyone in authority to protect us from their wiles.
Narr I'm told CNN and MSNBC are following every lead
Achilles: "Just like they stopped supporting weekly standard when it became worthless to them."
Actually, Phil Anschutz got tired of the lefty BS all of LLR Chuck's heroes were putting out so he pulled the data out of the operation that was still worth something and then cut the The Cuckly Standard crew loose.
Cap'n Billy Kristol couldn't find any backers so the Cuckly crew cut him loose to try and salvage the lefty operation and they still couldn't find any lefty backers.
So Billy boy hiked on down the road a piece and linked up with Pierre Omidyar who was looking for piece of crap trust fund babies like Kristol who would be willing to shed their faux LLR persona and go full lefty in service to the left.
And our own LLR Chuck looooooooooovvvvvvveeeeeessss him some Li'l Billy Kristol.
Howard wrote: “If you people won, why do you bleat so loudly in pain and agony? If you can't stand the heat, get out of the frying pan.”
Well Howard, it’s not bleating, it’s more akin to sighing from sadness that Resisters like you and NeverTrumpers like Chuck, rather than being relieved and glad that Mueller and his Democrat button men found neither evidence nor excuse to prosecute the President of the United States for conspiring with Russia to pollute an election or obstructing justice, prefer to wallow in your delusions and smallness to the detriment of your country.
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1 – 200 of 295 Newer› Newest»Doesn't feel the least bit like Nixon. Dems are just reliving their happy childhood as they descend into senility. Rosebud!
During the Obama-Hillary years - how many times did the Obama administration TALK to Russians?
The left made it illegal to talk to Russians at the point Trump entered the primary.
We Americans DEMAND all Obama-Hillary-Russian correspondence during the Obama years.
CRAP! It's all CRAP!
Let's move on and solve some real problems in this country.
IF Trump is a problem, let it be resolved at the ballet box.
I'm fed up with this.
No mention of Bill. Billy Jeff.
Lied under oath Billy Jeff.
You might as well add your existing "Obama is like Nixon" tag because, hopefully, that's where this whole thing is headed now.
Actually, may I recommend an "Obama was like 'Nixon's Wet Dream'" tag?
Nixonian Bullshit! There is nothing the least bit similar. As Mueller's report documents, Trump cooperated fully with the investigation, instructed his administration and staff to do so, and refused to exert executive privilege over any of the investigation report and findings.
Delusional Democrats and Media (BIRM) beclown themselves again.
Bernie spent his honeymoon in Moscow. Nixonian.
I think more Agnewian than Nixonian.
Ix-nay on the onian-ay.
Is this one of those Machiavellian tricks by Trump to get everyone to review the history of what Nixon did, so that suddenly the activities of the Obama administration are clearly seen as worse than Nixonian?
I came of age in the Nixon era. I watched essentially every minute of the Watergate hearings on live TV. I laughed aloud in glee when Nixon resigned, because he was guilty as charged.
Since then, there have been false charges that sometimes worked and sometimes didn't work, and there have been true charges that sometimes worked and sometimes didn't work, to remove opponents from office.
The use of such charges against the opposition rather than gaining support for one's own ideals, policies, and politicians has increased in frequency and sophistication since Nixon. I don't think this practice will lead to the benefit of the populace nor improve the nation itself. That said, I hope Barr prosecutes Hillary, just for the schadenfreudilicious landslide it would produce in 2020.
Members of Congress and the Administration surely have wished and perhaps expressed over the past two years a desire to murder one or two across the aisle. Yet, there's no body and no blood. Lacking same, there's no crime (forgive me, Father, for I am guilty of impure thoughts).
Impeach away, all you silly fools in Congress. With Nixon, there was overwhelming public sentiment against that man, enough to insulate any member of Congress from an electoral challenge. The basis for the Watergate investigation wasn't suspect. The democrats scored a substantial victory in the 1974 mid-terms. It's different this time.
I lived through the Nixon years. The only thing Nixonian about this fustercluck is the coverup being attempted by the left and the Lickspittle Media (BIRM).
The funny thing is, if you remember Nixon, then you are a geezer.
He died 25 years ago. People graduating college this year would have read about Nixon, like we read about FDR in college after he was dead.
Our grandparents would say what a son of a bitch he was, and we'd just nod our heads like you do when geezers talk.
Hillary Clinton sounds Nixonian. I proved that years ago
Can I get support for expanding Godwin's Law to include Nixon analogies?
Felt so Nixonian to beclowned pundit Max Boot that he wanted Trump impeached for obstruction as Boot asserted Nixon had been impeached, resulting in some funny corrections on Twitter. It's all very Nixonian in the sense that Conrad Black has explained, but that's a revisionist definition of Nixonian that has Nixon as a far better president than is commonly remembered.
Henry said...
I think more Agnewian than Nixonian.
Being uncertain, I'm Agnewostic.
This time, at least the odious Carl Bernstein won't be winning any awards for his reportage.
Trump is the opposite of Nixon. Nixon wanted to turn the IRS, FBI, and CIA into weapons to be used against his enemies, but the agencies had too much integrity to do so. Trump’s predecessor in office succeeded in turning the FBI and CIA into weapons that were employed against Trump, except Trump won and they failed. For the good of this country and for the second time in the history of the US we need to put a reformer in charge of he FBI and clean up that bureau from top to bottom. Ditto the CIA, except no one has held them to account before. Trump also needs to replace every FISA judge with people possessing integrity. The IRS needs to be brought to heel. It’s gonna be a lot of work and the media will raise Hell, but it has to be done for the good of the country.
So, can you imagine Nixon as producer and star of "The Apprentice?"
I admired Nixon.
I have a little portait of his on my desk, in a black frame, which I aquired when he died.
He was one of those early victims of the corporatist-bureaucratic system, trapped by a disingenuous application of double-standards and an early form of the media machine.
Back then though the American people were much more naive.
Defenders of Nixon's foreign policy have said that foreign leaders, including those in China, had no idea why Nixon was forced to resign. What exactly did he do wrong? He covered up a burglary that was in itself fairly low-grade partisan politics. The hacking of its day. Because he (presumably) suborned perjury and bribed witnesses, Nixon faced the possibility of obstruction of justice charges--the way anyone, whether holding elective office or not, might be charged. That's why Ford pardoned him. Dershowitz's point that a president can't be prosecuted for obstruction for performing acts that are within his constitutional authority is still correct. Nixon had the right to fire special prosecutors and Attorneys General. I always opposed the impeachment of Clinton, which must have been even more of a mystery to foreign leaders. Isn't the U.S. the land of sexual freedom? There was plenty of rage in both the earlier cases, but the anti-Trump rage has always seemed special to me. He doesn't so much articulate opposition to progressive policies (or the policies of "smart" people in foreign policy and economics) as he acts like he has barely heard of them, and assumes that sane people can ignore them. He sometimes rants that he might do something Nixonian, but he never does so.
Nixon was the victim of a coup d'etat by the FBI but he was badly handicapped by being humorless.
Trump is not and Trump knows better than to try to seek approval from his enemies.
Boy if there is any more proof needed that the democrat propaganda media still have a jornolist somewhere, I do not need to see it. It appears the most collusion being practiced is by the democrat propaganda outlets.
The Media is lost. Nothing they write or say has an effect anymore. The take down of Nixon they dream about was 50 years ago. It sounds like rapid onset delirium from going off their RussiaGate Addiction cold turkey.
The only Nixonian aspect of this attempted coup is that had Nixon been more like Trump the Democrats would not have been successful in driving him out of office. I only hope that trump gets the DoJ cleaned up and then fully go after Obama and his crew. They are the real criminals here.
When did Obama and HIllary talk to the Russians, and did they profit?
We demand answers.
Nixon is to the left as the Pettus bridge is to the left. Something that happened a long time ago they would have proudly and valiantly done something about. Probably.
Ask whether it feels like Nixon.
Does it feel like the Democrats, the MSM and the Deep State are conspiring to destroy a Republican president?
Why yes, it does.
I've been occasionally listening to NPR and it is like they are living in bizzaro-world.
They have seriously posited that when Trump publicly hoped that the Russians hacked the Clinton server and would publish the emails Hillary illegally deleted, that was collusion. How is that collusion? It is not as if he said that if they did that, he would be more flexible with them or anything.
They seriously claimed that Trump is not exonerated by the report. In what world does a prosecutor exonerate anyone? They charge you if they think they have a chance at conviction and unless you have been found guilty, you are presumed innocent. I didn't attend the Columbia School of Journalism, but I did learn about innocent until proven guilty in elementary school.
I was born in 1974 so I have no strong feelings about Nixon one way or the other. I know all the relevant facts about his presidency and Watergate, but it's all more of an acedemic thing for me. That's the way humans work, we tend to only develop strong feelings for things that effect and have effected us, for moments in history that we've actually lived through. I expect that people who were born around or after 911 aren't going to have strong feelings about that either.
I wonder if Mueller had a journalist writing the report? Some of it reads like bullshit gossip. For example, the part about how he said
"Oh my God. This is terrible. This is the end of my Presidency. I' m fucked."
This is what Mueller quoted and this is what was widely reported.
It is not the complete quote, though. What President Trump also said was
"Everyone tells me if you get one of these independent counsels it ruins your presidency. It takes years and years and I won' t be able to do anything. This is the worst thing that ever happened to me.
Mueller, in his writing, puts a lot of verbiage between the two parts of the quote. Most people miss the second part.
I think PDJTs fears were correct. If he were a lesser man, this kind of investigation, regardless of the underlying truth or, in this case falseness, would completely hobble his presidency.
Fortunately PDJT is Donald freaking Trump and has managed to get one Hell of a lot done in spite of the hobbles.
Economy
Killing Obamacare (in progress)
North Korea ( 2 steps forward 1 back)
Trade
World peace
Middle East peace (dare we hope?)
Lots and lots of federal judges
Immigration (progress after 40 years or so)
and so on.
He did this all with the hobbles of the Mueller investigation, a hostile lying press, hostility from the Dems (to be expected) and hostility from his own party (WTF?)
Just think what he could have accomplished had he been unbound.
Greatest President Ever!
John Henry
You know something else that would be Nixonian?
Biden running for president and winning.
John Henry
I'm not even kidding. If it is illegal to speak to the Russians, even offical Russian representatives, then Obama and Hillary committed the very same crimes. Even worse.
"The Media is lost. Nothing they write or say has an effect anymore. The take down of Nixon they dream about was 50 years ago. It sounds like rapid onset delirium from going off their RussiaGate Addiction cold turkey."
Hilarious that Haberman of the paper of record, or of toilets, claimed the White House's playing the song Edelweiss means Trump is a Nazi sympathizer.
You can't fix stupid, or crazy for that matter.
Tanned and rested.
What!? Someone’s legal counsel protected their client from doing something that the client thought of doing or wanted to do!?
Oh the horror!
Some guys want to "Dance Like Jagger". I want to Feel Like Nixon!
I agree (speaking as a geezer who was there) with buwaya's and Michael K's appraisal of the man. Aside from some misguided domestic policy decisions (e.g. wage & price controls) he was not a bad President at all. He certainly put the emphasis on looking out for the US (and Israel), unlike the smirking Marxist puke Obama, who was more or less working for the interests of our enemies for eight years, when he was paying attention at all.
What's wrong with Hitler?
When precious democrats set up and use Private Servers WHILE HEAD OF THE STATE DEPARTMENT rest assured the media will get to the bottom of it.
When a Democrat Staffer is murdered, the hack press is all over it with gobs of intellectual curiosity. oh wait - NOT.
Blogger JRoberts said...
IF Trump is a problem, let it be resolved at the ballet box.
That reminds me of something that occurred to me the other day. I may have seen it somewhere but, if I did, do not remember.
You folks in most of the upper 50 have serious problems with elections. Registration of illegals, ballot harvesting, no ID at the polls, people registered in multiple places, early and absentee voting, electronic voting machines and a host of other fraud, apparent fraud and opportunities for fraud.
(Not our secure elections down here)
President Trump, in 2017, initiated a commission to look into state voting practices. Lots of hooraw about it and the commission was "disbanded". Disbanded in the sense that it was renamed and went underground. It is still beavering away.
President Trump has mentioned several times that we need to take steps to assure that Russians or anyone will never be able interfere in our elections again. Will the silver lining of the Mueller report be a push (excuse?) to establish trustworthy elections in the US?
One can hope.
John Henry
Nixon was not a very likeable guy, so a lot of people didn't like him, Ike included. If he were more of a mensch he probably could have bullshitted his way out of the Watergate flap. I remember Nixon quite well, and if anybody today is Nixonian, it's Hillary.
Blogger Hagar said...
So, can you imagine Nixon as producer and star of "The Apprentice?"
Here's a little taste
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3e9iWizfsm8
John Henry
"Hitler" and "Racist" and "Russian Stooge" aren't working, so let's see if "Nixonian" will.
When people were making a big deal about Flynn talking to the Russian Ambassador after the election win, real journalists uncovered the names of 14 or so Democrats that had met with that Ambassador within the previous couple of months, hoping to get a meeting with a Russian oligarch because the least you can walk away with is a $100,000 watch.
My guess is that we will have to wait for Trump to win reelection in 2020 before the true effort to hold these swamp-dwellers and corrupt elites (but I repeat myself) accountable.
After DJT wins reelection, he won't have to worry about the MSM or the Congress. He can just go in there with Draino® and a power washer and fully expose these b_st_rds and disclose what what they did. He won't care about the MSM, and Fox (presumably) and social media (surely) will ensure that the American people find out what really happened.
I think Trump underestimated how corrupt the establishment really is, but one can't blame him. I don't think any of us realized how bad it is. The cretins in the intelligence community, the DOJ, and the FBI (senior management)—all SO smart—misjudged Trump and the citizenry. They screwed the pooch, and once Trump is in his second term, it will be payback time.
It's really amazing that, even with the Mueller Report, these egotistical fools still can't realize that they were wrong, pathetically wrong.
Molly at 8:48 stated the take I was going to make.
If we extrapolate Trump's enemies to be akin to Nixon's enemies, then one might have to accordingly rethink the motives and relative 'honesty' of Nixon's enemies.
In the Seventies the Media excitedly swallowed what Deep Throat squirted.
Today the media is acceptable to anal.
I am Laslo.
It's illegal to talk to the Russian Ambassador.
Unless you are a democrat. Then it's fine.
Stuck on stupid.
Did Obama ever talk to a Russian Oligarch?
Only Nixonian in that is was an attempt to Watergate.
wa·ter·gate
/ˈwôdərɡāt,ˈwädərˌɡāt/
verb
Archaic: putsch, golpe, coup d'etat.
To overthrow of an existing government via highly motivated efforts of a political faction coordinated with academia and mainstream media via agitprop, deceptive polling, and psychological tactics. To foment overwhelming opposition from the public and political allies that pressures existing government to peacefully leave office. Usually described as 'for the good of the country'.
Nixon and Kennedy, two icons for Boomers. So now we have a President who is Nixonian and a Democratic Presidental candidate who is Kennedyesque.
And of course, neither is like that. It’s short hand trying to create an image and a narrative.
I would dare say that if we had an investigation of every new administration with the threat of perjury we would create unflattering reports of every administration.
What would the special prosecutor report of this Jesus movement and his twelve advisors been like in AD33?
Sock it...to me?
As for the Media, after all this I honestly don't understand how people can still take them seriously anymore.
I mean, I know that most people will consume news that confirms their biases about reality. Most people and are less interested in the actual truth than they might imagine themselves to be. They like the idea of the truth. They like it when their view of reality seems to be supported by an objective truth. But when the news being reported seems to contradict their view of reality, I suspect that many people will just stop watching it in order to avoid cognitive dissonance.
If you're a person who really, really hates Trump, obviously you want to believe all these horrible things about him. A person like that will have happily consumed all the nonsense about Trump that's been put out by CNN, MSNB, the NYT, WaPo, as well as all the late night comedy shows have put out over the past 2+ years. All the wild speculation about collusion, the constant interpreting of all of Trump's actions in the worst possible light, all the dumb jokes, would be something a person who hated Trump would greatly enjoy watching. All the promises of the Mueller report, what would happen once it was released, the certainty of impeachment! would have kept you eagerly watching and reading.
But now reality has let you down. Your options are to either ignore or deny reality, or accept it as it is. But either way, you're probably not going to watch or read from those sources that let you down for a while. You might even be at least a little more skeptical of certain negative stories about Trump from unnamed "sources" if you're capable of any level of self evaluation.
Tcrosse said: . I remember Nixon quite well, and if anybody today is Nixonian, it's Hillary.
I'm 2/3rds of the way through Caro's LBJ books, and i'd have to say, if Hillary resembles anyone, it's LBJ.
Nixon had scruples, Nixon did what he did for (what he thought was) the good of the country
LBJ was Completely amoral, LBJ did what he did for the good of LBJ
Nixon got us OUT of wars
LBJ got us INTO wars
Nixon was paranoid (because they WERE out to get him)
LBJ was psychotic
Nixon was despised by the media
LBJ had the media sucking his dick (LITERALLY)
Not even Nixon was Nixonian.
In the 1930s and 40s the Russians had not only colluded but had co-opted much of our government. We were riddled with Soviet agents. Our vice-president, Henry Wallace (43-45) was a Soviet tool and possibly a Soviet agent.
I don't think we yet know the full extent.
McCarthy, Nixon, McCarran and others went after them and exposed many. They did a lot to destroy the Soviet networks in the US. Most famously for Nixon, Alger Hiss.
For that they had to be destroyed.
Well, not Pat McCarran. He was a Democrat so gets a pass, an airport and a terrible, anti-American Act. (McCarran Internal Security Act)
John Henry
First, ask whether it was Clintonian: Was there any "is" "is" defense? Is there any underlying crime that is being sought to be hidden from view? Where is the White House orchestrated job offers to preserve silence by key witnesses? Where is the public denial of private conduct that actually did happen?
Deep throat squirted?
You sound a bit unclear on anatomy, Laslo.
OTOH, your comparison of the media with anal is spot on.
John Henry
Mccarran was like Gaston deferre who represented marseilles, one can fault him for mccarran Ferguson which saddled us with our current health care dilemma
I'm 2/3rds of the way through Caro's LBJ books, and i'd have to say, if Hillary resembles anyone, it's LBJ.
Nixon had scruples, Nixon did what he did for (what he thought was) the good of the country
LBJ was Completely amoral, LBJ did what he did for the good of LBJ
To some extant I agree but Hillary is Nurse Rachet and LBJ was Huey Long, They were equally corrupt but different personalities. One big difference is that Hillary was never poor like LBJ and his mentor Mister Sam.
John Dean is STILL saying its "Worse then Watergate". BTW, Clinton beat Nixon in unethical behavior, so it should be "Clintonesque". However, Bill was smarter and more ruthless than Nixon. Clinton also had much more loyal flunkies and subordinates. Nixon was your typical "pragmatic" Republican who got destroyed because he surrounded himself with disloyal people whose only motivation was power and self-interest. With the exception of Halderman and Lidddy, no one "fell on their sword" for Nixon.
LBJ had the media sucking his dick (LITERALLY)
I always wondered if LBJ had a thing with Nancy Dickerson.
I didn’t see this exchange because there is no way to pay me enough money to watch Brian Williams, but I loved reading about it:
“My first question, I’m afraid, is going to verge on plain English,” Williams began. “Where did the attorney general get off with that characterization this morning, including four mentions that there was no collusion? What document was he reading, compared to the one we’re left with?”
Sekulow responded, “Well, page two of the document says, ‘The investigation did not establish that members of the Trump campaign coordinated with the Russian government in its election of interference activities.’ So it’s right from the document itself.”
(Emphasis mine.)
It’s right on page two. That’s beautiful.
The longer the Democrats obsess over the Mueller report and the possibility of obstruction, the bigger hole they dig for themselves.
The reason is simple. The average American -- what Groucho Marx used to call the Barber in Peru (Indiana) -- not the army of Beltway lawyers, will scratch his/her head about why someone should be charged with obstructing justice for a crime he did not commit and did not even occur>
-Roger Simon
It's just like Nixon!
Except for the burglary, the firing of special prosecutor Cox, the impeachment, and the resignation.
I wonder how much of this doubling down by the media is fear.
Fear that Barr is going to expose them as colluders with deep state operatives who worked, illegally, to destroy this presidency.
I agree Jersey'.
Being likened by the Left to Nixon is an upgrade. And no more dementia fears.
Winning!
Laslo,
Don't remind Hickenlooper.
"My guess is that we will have to wait for Trump to win reelection in 2020 before the true effort to hold these swamp-dwellers and corrupt elites (but I repeat myself) accountable."
No. We have learned what happens when we push our expectations to "waiting till the GOP takes the House, waiting till the GOP takes the Senate, waiting till the GOP has a super majority, waiting till after midterms"
Nothing happens.
Do it now and use it to get the House back, not the other way around.
I do not trust that the people irresponsible for this coup will be held accountable. That is very very bad.
@Michael K,
"Nixon was the victim of a coup d'etat by the FBI but he was badly handicapped by being humorless."
True. Also, possibly the CIA. His 2 main plumbers McCord and Hunt were "former" high ranking CIA agents, who were reporting their shenanigans to current CIA Director Richard Helms.
Tangled web.
See, Secret Agenda by Jim Hougan (1984).
Horowitz IG Report on the FISA comes out in May or June. Barr should jump on it to indict Strzok and McCabe, and any of the designated leakers of classified information.
McCabe then rats out Comey.
Now, Brennan starts to sweat.
Only 1 person above Brennan - he who has been strangely silent and disengaged by these matters....
It's absolutely Nixonian.
The Obama Administration just got caught wiretapping the other campaign.
And the media tells us when the President does it based on manufactured evidence from his own party, it's not a crime.
It sure is Nixonian. Weaponing the IRS and the FBI to go after your political enemies?
Oh, wait, that was Obama. Never mind.
Trump is too funny to be compared to Nixon.
Trump is Trump. The Comedian.
A bit of a mix of WC Fields and Muhammad Ali.
Watergate is a parking ticket compared to what the Democratic controlled and weaponized DOJ, FBI, Obama administration, and national media did to Trump and the American people. Enjoy jail.
@John Henry:
McCarthy, Nixon, McCarran and others went after them and exposed many. They did a lot to destroy the Soviet networks in the US. Most famously for Nixon, Alger Hiss.
For that they had to be destroyed.
Well, not Pat McCarran. He was a Democrat so gets a pass, an airport and a terrible, anti-American Act. (McCarran Internal Security Act)
Outstanding work. Most people know and fear the dreaded Sen. Joe McCarthy, but Sen. Pat McCarran from Nevada was probably more McCarthy-esque than McCarthy. But he died a couple years before McCarthy and, as you note, was a Democrat, so nobody really cares about him.
I appreciate the attention all this coverage brings to the late, lamented singer of such talent, Marni Nixon.
November 7, 1975
Dear Mr. Toth:
A friendly letter in the mailbag is always most welcome, and that certainly was the case with yours of October 23rd.
It was thoughtful of you to take the time to write as you did, and I wanted you to know of my appreciation.
With best wishes,
Sincerely,
(Richard Nixon)
P.S. King Timahoe is with us and in the best of health; Vicki has been int he family since 1962 and is amazingly active and well for her years.
(Letter from Nixon to Lazlo Toth, who had written to get a rise out of him one way or another. The letters in the book that show good character, i.e. took the letters as from an equal, are from Nixon and Nguyen Cau Ky, two of the bad guys in popular lore. _The Lazlo Letters_ first vol)
what what no inigo montoya reference, 'those words you are using' McCarran kept many subversives out of this country, yes it also kept a salavadoran patriot, as well, would that we had such a law would have a tlaib, or an omar, the latter certainly was associated with far left elements in her country, the same for tlaib, heck we had the grandson of a member of black September who ran for congress against Duncan hunter,
ky wasn't part of the coup that deposed diem, which set us on this nightmarish 'street without end' that was big minh, who ended up the last leader of south Vietnam,
Mueller delivers devastating portrait of Donald Trump. Althouse, hands over ears: "I can't hear you!"
the malay plan set down by templar and co, had little chance of success, but was worth a shot,
https://www.frontpagemag.com/fpm/273475/real-spies-michael-ledeen
These people are nuts.
readering: "Mueller delivers devastating portrait of Donald Trump. Althouse, hands over ears: "I can't hear you!"
LOL
Just keep telling yourself that, over and over and over and over and over and over ..... again.
Bay Area Guy said...
It's just like Nixon!
Except for the burglary, the firing of special prosecutor Cox, the impeachment, and the resignation.
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No impeachment in Nixon's case, just the imminent threat thereof. Max Boot got this wrong yesterday.
"An impeachment process against Richard Nixon was formally initiated on February 6, 1974, when the United States House of Representatives passed a resolution, giving its Judiciary Committee **authority to investigate whether sufficient grounds existed** to impeach Richard Nixon,
wikipedia
rcocean: "John Dean is STILL saying its "Worse then Watergate"."
Of course he is.
Dean has literally dined out on that line for the last 40 years!! What's funny is that the dems/left/LLR-left actually believe that having John Dean pop onto CNN/MSNBC to vomit up that tired line is effective despite the fact that it actually falls on 99.7% deaf ears as he was forgotten long, long ago.
It's like having to look at the obviously morbidly obese Carl Bernstein on CNN. Talk about repulsive.
Not Jerry Nadler repulsive, but still.
In order for it to be Nixonian, there has to be a crime and cover up. There isn't either, so now it's just the latest propaganda lie to keep this all going.
It's like NBC trumpeting that there were "10 INSTANCES THAT MUELLER LOOKED AT AS POSSIBLE OBSTRUCTION" and then downplaying that he didn't find that any obstruction had actually occurred.
The doubling down on the fake news isn't going to help them in the long run.
Do it now and use it to get the House back
There are those of us who would like to see accountability for the deep state perpetrators to restore at least a thimble of faith in government, primary over political expediency.
Well, at least readering showed up to continue to make a fool of itself.
Darkisland said...
Blogger JRoberts said...
IF Trump is a problem, let it be resolved at the ballet box.
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Yes, let's see his jetés!
Now that you mention it, the anti-Trumpers do seem to act like Nixon did with his political opponents.
Our friend Readering describes the Mueller Report as a "devastating portrait"
What would an indictment have been, a "double+plus devastating, really bad portrait"?
@wholelottasplainin,
Yeah, I know Nixon wasn't impeached, he resigned after the House Judiciary Committee passed Articles of Impeachment. He wuz gonna be impeached!
readering said...
Mueller delivers devastating portrait of Donald Trump. Althouse, hands over ears: "I can't hear you!"
I don't think you people get it.
Here it is in crayons.
We see you. You voted for Hillary. You voted for Obama
Hillary and Obama used the government FBI, NSA, CIA, State Department, and other state agencies to run a stalinist state inquisition against a political opponent.
You people are just as bad as the people that supported Nazi's and Stalinists and Red Guards.
You are evil.
We will never accept a democrat president again. I don't care how may illegals you ship in from central america to vote.
Fuck you.
War.
delivers devastating portrait of Donald Trump.
"devastating portrait" -sugary language devoid of any nutrition.
One could parse and arrive at the conclusion Trump, despite justifiable anger, resisted inappropriate action, sought advice and deferred to the judgement of advisors when presented with the right course of action. Seems quite Presidential to me...
It is forgotten that the Starr Report, under the then Independent Counsel law, specifically termed Billy Jeff "Guilty" on 11 specific criminal counts.
"Guilty". With the backup evidence demonstrating that conclusively.
The nation still wanted to go another way, so they did.
The left/LLR-left have nothing to go on besides lies for their impeachment effort, which is why I fervently hope they do it.
it's a Rorschach test, that's what we're talking about, with elements of hans Christian Andersen's iconic tale,
ken starr didn't realize that the same scrutiny aimed at marv albert and even bob packwood, doesn't apply to their anointed ones,
From Hitler to Nixon = progress.
By 2020 he may just be a rascal.
rehajm said...
Do it now and use it to get the House back
There are those of us who would like to see accountability for the deep state perpetrators to restore at least a thimble of faith in government, primary over political expediency.
Our entire federal government is completely illegitimate until the democrats and republicans that participated in this coup are punished appropriately.
The people that support this coup must be shamed.
Our country is founded on several principals and two of those are equal justice under the law and the rule of law.
Democrats a cuck state republicans are trying to destroy both.
There is no common ground with people that think this is acceptable.
Speaking of "devastating" portraits of a President. .
Man, that's some bad art.
On another note, oh, is John Dean still alive? That's a bummer. Biggest weasel in history.
Bay Area Guy: "On another note, oh, is John Dean still alive? That's a bummer. Biggest weasel in history."
I still want to know the real story behind Maureen Dean and the callgirl ring.
questions we aren't allowed to review, I believe james Dalton, one of james gradys nom de plum, did have a roman a clef, that included those connections along with the pentagon spy ring, some time in the 90s,
@Drago,
This is a short, but funny book, "White House Call Girl" by Phil Stanford. It's actually quite illuminating as to how and why Nixon got nailed.
Blogger readering said...
Mueller delivers devastating portrait of Donald Trump. Althouse, hands over ears: "I can't hear you!"
I wonder if you will be able to hear if Hillary gets prosecuted for all those security breaches and her China connections?
the barnes and noble link, say it's a phishing site,
https://www.biblio.com/9780312876432
Nixon wasn't a traitor
I hope Hillary goes to jail. It's the best possible thing to happen to help democrats move on from that sad, sorry chapter.
I trust Howard to know traitors.
He surrounds himself with them.
He cheers their actions and words.
He votes for them.
@readering,
From The Babylon Bee.
it's about (redacted time)
https://www.wsj.com/articles/trump-discussed-shared-vision-with-libyan-militia-leader-challenging-tripoli-government-11555685811
I can't hear a portrait either, even with my ears uncovered. But Ann draws a pretty decent rat, for someone who can't smell a rat. Wake up and hear the coffee, America! Some conspiracies you can't see or hear or taste or smell. But can't you just feel Russia closing in?
Brennan is a traitor. and a poisonous toad.
it's right up with there with the new Asian dawn
https://twitter.com/AFP/status/1119229529267101696
Howard said...
I hope Hillary goes to jail.
Money Talks. Hillary Walks.
Know what's Nixonian? Re-elected in a landslide.
https://twitter.com/ChuckRossDC/status/1119273865589547013
@YH,
Funny Link!
1. In 2016, the Left believed Hillary would win. They were WRONG.
2. In 2019, the Left believed Mueller would indict Trump. They were WRONG.
They are down in the count -- one more strike and yer outttt!
At some point, it'd be reasonable and mature for the Left to acknowledge being WRONG on the last 2 big political events, and then maybe self-reflect on why they keep getting big stuff wrong.
Perhaps, they are missing something. Perhaps, they are living in a bubble. Perhaps, they are not testing their hypotheses in the real world. Perhaps, they refuse to listen to opposing or dissenting viewpoints.
she misses her rizzotto,
What turns out to be truly Nixonian is the FBI cover-up of the Clinton Cover-up.
FOIA requests by Judicial Watch of the FBI Clinton email crimes turned up an email from the Clinton IT folks internally.
"It's all part of the Clinton cover-up. :) I'll tell you about it at the party"
Dec 11, 2014
previously Clinton lawyers had turned over all of what they claimed were work emails. The IT guys were moving behind the lawyers cleaning up and covering up...
The FBI didn't seen the cover-up as "mens rea" (
the intention or knowledge of wrongdoing that constitutes part of a crime)
@Ken B,
Know what's Nixonian? Re-elected in a landslide.
Unfortunately, Nixon's enemies pushed that historical fact down the memory hole.
June 1971: Pentagon Papers published
June 1972: Watergate Burglary
Nov 1972: Nixon wins 49 state landslide, 60% to 37%; absolute tsunami mandate.
I guess if Wallace hadn't been shot, and run as a 3rd party, the numbers woulda been closer.
The entire Hillary Clinton Corruption Excusing Media at MSDNC and CNN - want to impeach Trump.
day ending in y:
https://legalinsurrection.com/2019/04/new-palestinian-authority-pm-trump-peace-plan-will-be-born-dead/
Nixon... Trump... the Althouse blog... this is like going to a cocktail party at Roger Stone’s house, minus the open sex swinging, the search warrants and the federal agents.
BleachBit-and-Hammers: "The entire Hillary Clinton Corruption Excusing Media at MSDNC and CNN - want to impeach Trump."
Good.
The last thing I want, politically, is for the left/LLR-left to come to their senses.
Today, it's Obamamania, and first-person corruption. Here's to progress.
Exactly. Keep that hope alive you fucking criminal excusing assholes.
Narciso,
I was not criticizing Mccarran for his efforts with McCarthy (bestest buddies) and to a lesser extent Nixon.
I do find the Mccarran internal security act hideously unAmerican. It has mostly been superceded but parts remain in effect.
It should be repealed.
John Henry
we didn't chose the template, but In fact the squire from whittaker got a raw deal, served up Sicilian style, by superannuated gs 15s, and legacy press, that served as kennedy hagiographers.
Scott Adams has been pretty uninsightful since the Mueller report.
Nixon's problem wasn't that he was Nixonian but rather that he wasn't Clintonesque. Had he done a Clinton and burned the tapes he wouldn't have been forced to resign. Nixon was insufficiently evil like Hillary.
narciso said...
day ending in y:
https://legalinsurrection.com/2019/04/new-palestinian-authority-pm-trump-peace-plan-will-be-born-dead/
From this article:
The AP noted that the Palestinians have prioritized paying Palestinian terrorists out of its “martyr’s fund” over other budget priorities. For example, now that the United States and Israel have imposed punitive measures on the PA for its refusal to negotiate and its continued financial incentives to terrorists, “the Palestinian Authority has begun paying only half salaries to tens of thousands of civil servants, reduced services and increased borrowing.”
This is unsustainable in a normal environment. The PA would implode without outside support and there would be peace.
But the globalists fund the terrorism and strife. They control the major EU countries that are the primary funders of this crap.
This is tied directly to the deep state war on Trump and our country. The globalists want the strife. They want war and misery and they want to blame it on Trump.
People are waking up now.
It is time for consequences.
Mueller delivers confirmation that there was no collusion. Readering, hands over ears: "I can't hear you!"
Nixon... Trump... the Althouse blog... this is like going to a cocktail party at Roger Stone’s house, minus the open sex...
We're working on that:)
Fen: Do it now and use it to get the House back
rehajm: There are those of us who would like to see accountability for the deep state perpetrators to restore at least a thimble of faith in government, primary over political expediency.
We agree, that's how we get from point A to point B.
What I meant was that we can't go back to the mentality of "we must wait to get X before we can do Y". If we fall back into that, we'll be waiting to have our faith restored for as long as we have been waiting for the Border Wall we were promised 20 years ago.
Bring justice to the those who plotted the Coup NOW, not after the next election, not after we have a Senate supermajority, not after Trump's successor is seated, not after the next Census. DO IT NOW. Because if we don't, the Rommneys and McCains will slow-roll this until it becomes "that thing that was never settled".
LOLOLOL
Now the lunatic LLR-left/Left (McClatchy in this case) are actually running stories asserting that even if Michael Cohen never traveled to Prague, perhaps his phone actually was in Prague regardless!!
McClatchy has gone FULL LLR Chuck with their x-tupling down on their conspiracy theories!!
As with LLR Chuck today, if you thought the left was going to return to rational thought after being bludgeoned by reality, you find yourself quickly disabused of such notions!
readering: Mueller delivers devastating portrait of Donald Trump. Althouse, hands over ears: "I can't hear you!"
Quite the opposite. We all have our hands cupped to our ears asking "what devastating portrait? Explain please?"
And your side responds: Uh... something mumble vague something
Prove me wrong.
What I was referring to:
https://libertarianinstitute.org/articles/mueller-report-released/
Nixon was brought down by a guy hurt over being passed over for a promotion.
This is not Nixonian.
THE shewolf who was passed over for a promotion and sat on a Watergate committee or was an aide for a committeeman IIRC tried, but failed.
She’s still not president!
How stupid is our media? Look at this:
OUR POLITICAL CLASS IS COMPOSED OF IDIOTS (CONT’D): Associated Press: Tourist mecca Notre Dame also revered as place of worship.
What I meant was that we can't go back to the mentality of "we must wait to get X before we can do Y". If we fall back into that, we'll be waiting to have our faith restored for as long as we have been waiting for the Border Wall we were promised 20 years ago
I should communicate more clearly. This has been my experience with the GOP:
Us: We need to do X
GOP: That's not the hill to die on. We can't do X till we control the House
Us: Okay, we worked our ass off and gave you the House. Now?
GOP: Wellllll no, we need the Senate to pass X
Us: Okay, we worked our ass off and gave you the Senate. Let's roll.
GOP: Not so fast. Executive Branch, then X
Us. GRRRR. Fine. Here is the Presidency. Can we go now?
GOP: Better if we has a super-majority in the Senate.
Us: Are you - ... whatever. Here, your super-majority as promised. Now we get X!
GOP: That's nuts. If we do X now we risk our majority!
Us: &%^%%#$%$#$!
That's why it infuriates me when someone says we need to get the House back before we bring justice to the traitors. I know he didn't mean it this way, but it's like freeing a battered wife only only to see her run back to her husband.
Don't wait for the control of the House to bring Justice.
Bring justice now and you will get control of the House.
. this is like going to a cocktail party at Roger Stone’s house, minus the open sex swinging, the search warrants and the federal agents.
Yes and CNN sitting outside with TV cameras. You have some nice friends, Chuck. How many speak Russian or Chinese ?
They also raid the homes of six year old refugees thanks to Greg Craig and they sent a swat team to Manafort's front door because reasons
The irony of course that former president Obama is the one most likely to have given the orders to spy on the Trump campaign. Yeah, this guy.
Let us define our terms: Nixon - a guy we're too young to remember, but have been taught to hate anyway.
Fen said...
Us: &%^%%#$%$#$!
translation: We nominate Trump to go poop in their wheaties.
That's why it infuriates me when someone says we need to get the House back before we bring justice to the traitors. I know he didn't mean it this way, but it's like freeing a battered wife only only to see her run back to her husband.
Don't wait for the control of the House to bring Justice.
Bring justice now and you will get control of the House.
The choice is wrong.
It isn't Enforce the Rule of law and apply equal justice and you get control of the house.
It should be Enoforce the Rule of Law and apply equal justice and we wont hunt you down with your traitor allies.
You know by now most DC republicans are on the other side. They are just as complicit as the democrats in all of this.
I did a word search on Mueller's very extensive book report (448 pages of mostly irrelevant chatter) for "emoluments!"
I was disappointed.
At some point, some way, somehow, we will get to the pressing question of "emoluments!"
To her credit, AOC is reviving the pertinent question:
ISIKOFF: What would be your top three if you were drafting the articles of impeachment?
OCASIO-CORTEZ: The top three? I think number one is emoluments. I think it’s always been emoluments. It’s always been about that for me.
ISIKOFF: Two and three?
OCASIO-CORTEZ: Two and three. I think two would be tax fraud. And number three, um. Man, number three.
ISIKOFF: Interesting that you don’t mention Russia.
OCASIO-CORTEZ: No, I don’t. Because I think that for a lot of aspects of the Russia investigation, as we saw with the Mueller report, I think there are a lot of parts of the Russia issue that some down to emoluments. Pay-for-play, financial transactions, Trump Tower. It comes down to money. And if we had gotten something from the Mueller report I would probably put that up there as number one, but I feel like it is a little risky to put all your eggs in that basket. And I think a lot of this stuff happens through backdoor bank accounts and stuff like that. So emoluments kind of includes any financial misconduct in relation to Russia.
IF Trump is a problem, let it be resolved at the ballet box.
I'd agree with you, but with each passing day it appears less and less likely this will be resolved at the ballot box.
The left has lost its fucking mind.
IF Trump is a problem, let it be resolved at the ballet box.
I thought we resolved it at the ballot box in 2016. Apparently it's not resolved until they win.
she thought they mean emolients, yes this was ginned up by the hive mind all at once,
Achilles I'm with but I don't see that happening. Here's my test case:
"Clanton attacked at least three people with a metal U-lock during the April 15 rally in and around Civic Center Park. Court papers later revealed that Clanton struck at least seven people in the head, according to authorities. One person received a head laceration that required five staples to fix. Another was uninjured but had a piece of a helmet broken off. A third was struck across the neck and back, police wrote.
According to Alameda County Superior Court records, Clanton entered a “no contest” plea Wednesday to one misdemeanor battery charge. The felony charges against him were dismissed, and an allegation that he had caused serious bodily injury was stricken. A misdemeanor charge that Clanton wore a mask during the commission of the crime also was dropped."
If conservatives had the will to hunt down the perps behind the Coup attempt, they would already have put Eric Clanton in a hospital bed for the rest of his life. That has not happened.
It doesn't bring me any joy to realize this. Republicans are pussies. Conservatism has a fatal flaw of passivity, always erring on the side of caution, never going for the ball, always falling back into a Prevent Defense. I'm a child of Goldwater and I have lost faith.
Something else is needed.
The left hated Nixon from the moment he went after the commies in the 50’s
I thought we resolved it at the ballot box in 2016. Apparently it's not resolved until they win
Florida 2000 template. They will keep recounting until Socialism wins, and then there will never be another recount again.
I say we reset the clock and give Trump back the 2 years they stole.
tcrosse: "I thought we resolved it at the ballot box in 2016. Apparently it's not resolved until they win."
See "Brexit"
Bay Area Guy said...
I did a word search on Mueller's very extensive book report (448 pages of mostly irrelevant chatter) for "emoluments!"
I was disappointed.
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why? Mueller's writ didn't run that far.
Collusion, remember?
well it's Berkeley, the Bernie mobs rampage even against an openly gay greek catholic tech writer, who doesn't fancy being stoned to death, but the acquittal of the j 20 rioters, with the evidence provided by veritas of Robert creamer's provocateurs, was more troubling,
BTW my morning paper tells me that the guy with the beard standing behind Bill Barr was Principal Associate Deputy Attorney General Edward O'Callaghan. i wonder if there's anybody at the DOJ with a longer title.
In the Sixties I knew a Communist, the real thing, and he told me the last time I saw him that he was going to teach in a college because they were going to do a Long March through institutions i.e, take them over. Well, now that's happened and it was time to come out in the open. So they stage this attempted coup; the other possibility was Hillary. But the election failed and the coup failed and the tide is going the other way. Yes, we should prosecute but let's fix the intelligence agencies; and let's investigate the Clintons; and don't sweat the small stuff. Leave the media to lose audience share, their jobs, their houses etc. on their own ("Sophisticated people read the Mueller Report and realize they are still right about everything still. Right. Still." Carl Bernstein to Chris Cuomo. Another 10,000 viewers turn away forever from Chris Cuomo.) And remember, we won't win if we insult the regular people, our own relatives, now trying to kick the habit of media belief.
oh master chief, he was Rosenstein's deputy if memory served, he knew not to blink,
he did defend the huntress, against the last minute lawfare ambush, back in 2008, on those grounds I think he's a standup fellow,
Nixon'd removal from office was a soft coup. The left HATED Nixon with a passion for the crime of defeating Helen Gahagan Douglas in his senate race.
I do remember talking to many people when he resigned. And if a do over election had occurred between Nixon and McGovern after Nixon resigned- Nixon would still win.
BTW, George McGovern did something different for a politician. He started running a business. A real business, not a PR firm or law firm. And discovered that all those business regulations he voted for interfered with running a business!
In 1988, using the money he had earned from his speeches, the McGoverns bought, renovated, and began running a 150-room inn in Stratford, Connecticut, with the goal of providing a hotel, restaurant, and public conference facility.[251][264] It went into bankruptcy in 1990 and closed the following year.[265] In 1992 McGovern's published reflections on the experience appeared in Wall Street Journal and the Nation's Restaurant News.[264][266] He attributed part of the failure to the early 1990s recession, but also part to the cost of dealing with federal, state, and local regulations that were passed with good intentions but made life difficult for small businesses, and to the cost of dealing with frivolous lawsuits.[264] McGovern wrote, "I ... wish that during the years I was in public office I had had this firsthand experience about the difficulties business people face every day. That knowledge would have made me a better U.S. senator and a more understanding presidential contender
It's hard enough for me to get my head around Melania being with The Donald, but Tricky Dicky?
No Can Do!
I thought Trump Hitler, so now he's a Nixonian Hitler?
Is that a better or worse Hitler?
"McGovern wrote, "I ... wish that during the years I was in public office I had had this firsthand experience about the difficulties business people face every day. That knowledge would have made me a better U.S. senator and a more understanding presidential contender"
Worth repeating... during every election. The nation is more dependent on business and its efficiency and confidence than any other thing we do. It pays for and facilitates everything else.
exactly:
https://twitter.com/alimhaider/status/1119307256028332034
Interesting. Gallup polling as of March 2019 as to 'most important problems':
Economy - 15%
Poor leadership - 29%
Health care - 7%
Immigration - 16%
Russia-gate - 0%
Yet the MSM keeps harping on the one thing that doesn't register in Gallup polling after 2 whole years! Pretty bad ROI.
At least Trump is focusing on issues that people care about.
If you people won, why do you bleat so loudly in pain and agony? If you can't stand the heat, get out of the frying pan.
I just realized, I've allowed the media to hallucinate me into thinking Russia-gate was a 'thing' all this time. That Gallup poll has freed my mind. I suggest everyone else look it up:
https://news.gallup.com/poll/1675/most-important-problem.aspx
Bay Area Guy, 1:22:
Congresswoman O-C majored in International Relations and seems ignorant of some pretty basic facts of international relations. She also majored in economics and seems ignorant of some pretty basic economic principles.
But on the Emoluments Clause, she's an expert - and she didn't even major in Con Law! Remarkable.
Congresswoman Rashida Tlaib (D-Mich) has called for a hunger strike to protest ICE. .
This is not a bad idea.
Indeed, if she gets Jerry Nadler and Stacey Abrams to join her, it will be a damn fine idea.
Howard the educated fool mishears righteous anger as bleating in pain and agony.
Howard: "If you can't stand the heat, get out of the frying pan."
Save that thought.
Some folks on Team Left will need to hear that shortly....
Don Surber knocks it out of the park, Media Doubles Down on Stupid:
https://donsurber.blogspot.com/2019/04/media-doubles-down-on-stupid.html
In the 1930s and 40s the Russians had not only colluded but had co-opted much of our government. We were riddled with Soviet agents. Our vice-president, Henry Wallace (43-45) was a Soviet tool and possibly a Soviet agent.
I understand your point, even though Wallace was never proven to be a Communist agent. Wallace surrounded himself with Communist Aides and advisers and took positions that were straight out of the CPSUSA party platform - yet there's no evidence he was ever a communist party member. The same is true of Harry Hopkins. I suppose they were so Pro-USSR that the difference between them and an actual communist in foreign affairs was almost zero.
Howard: " If you can't stand the heat, get out of the frying pan."
Howard supports Coup Attempts against his elected leaders. Noted.
Actually, he's still bitchy because I did that thing in his mouth. Again.
And why was Wallace chosen to be VP in 1940 by FDR? No one has ever answered that. FDR was warned Wallace was a political liability and would LOSE him votes. No one in his cabinet thought he was capable of being President, and no one outside of the Far-left and CPUSA supported his Vice-Presidency. Yet, of all the people FDR could have chosen, he chose Wallace. He not only chose him, he told the Democratic Convention that he wouldn't run in 1940, if they didn't approve Wallace as VP.
Its all very weird and mysterious.
Fen-- Left a bad taste in there eh?
You're a bad boy.
I see National Review and David French are doing their usual NEVERTRUMP dance. The Report shows Trump is terrible, but the Democrats aren't very nice either. "A Plague on both their houses". But that Mueller fellow, I like the cut of his jib. Andy McCarthy is praising Mueller for being so prompt in getting out the report! 22 Months to cut and paste news articles Trump tweets and write 450 pages of legal bullshit about "Obstruction".
Prompt? I think not.
So when is Trump going to fire Rosenprick? HE started this whole mess.
Now that 3+ years of lefty/dem spying on domestic political opponents, dems going full Stasi by trying to an Op to undercut an opposition candidate, then weaponizing the federal govt to setup and frame and then destroy a President-Elect/President and his entire family, has all come to an end and been partially exposed, Howard would like for everyone to let bygones be bygones and lets not quibble about who went full marxist and who didn't and lets not talk any further about this unfortunate "accident" and sequence of events.
Let's all just move on, quietly, until the next time the left wants to do this.
Well Howard, LLR Chuck is already fully onboard with that "plan", as you knew he would be. So you've got that going for you, which is nice.
rcocean: "So when is Trump going to fire Rosenprick? HE started this whole mess."
Barr is keeping him on a short leash to ensure that in any conversation about the results of this coup attempt so that Rosenstein can stand there and help clean up the mess he created.
One can only imagine what Barr already knows and what those convo's with Rosenstein have been like.....
If you people won, why do you bleat so loudly in pain and agony?
Howard is hallucinating again That's laughter, Howard.
Nixious fumes.
After Tank's physical, and just as he was about to be drafted, Nixon "won" the war and ended the draft.
Nixon is Tank's hero.
Is that what they mean by Trump being Nixonian? He is our hero? Well...yeah!
"I see National Review and David French are doing their usual NEVERTRUMP dance"
I checked them out last night. Their main article on the Meuller report had NINE comments. At the same time, the Mueller thread here at Althouse was approaching 700.
Can anybody cite a statute, cited by Mueller in his report, that Trump might have violated?
Thanks in advance.
Phidippus said...
Fen-- Left a bad taste in there eh?
You're a bad boy.
4/19/19, 3:03 PM
More pineapple and less asparagus, Fen.
Oh wait, it's Howard. Less pineapple, more asparagus.
I watched the third Kennedy-Nixon (October 13, 1960) debate when I was in high school without having any political leanings one way or the other.
After I heard Nixon go into textbook pious hyper-unctuous hypocritical mode while asserting that the children of America needed protection from Harry Truman's salty language, I knew right away what kind of guy he was.
Certainly worth a watch if you haven't seen it before:
"In this [2 minute,33 seconds] clip, the candidates respond to a question about former President Harry S. Truman saying that Nixon and the Republican Party should "go to hell."
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ukm4_3djpXMhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ukm4_3djpXM
Nixon had a sort of pious manner and no sense of humor, which was a serious handicap in the first TV election.
Now, we are in the late TV election era where Trump, like Reagan, is a master at the visual arts. It also happens that the grifters from Arkansas immunized the electorate to crooks.
What extraordinary mediaswine codswollop! Nixonian? Oh yeah, except without the crimes.
Eureka mittens weighs in, I'm on pins and needles.
I hope that there's a special place in hell for those who want to rend the country again like it was in the seventies. Please let the courts suss this out, ignore the shouting on the left and right, and find common ground with your neighbors.
To RRHARDIN: Re; Scott Adams since the Mueller Report dropped.
Google is yer friend.
https://blog.dilbert.com/2019/04/18/episode-497-scott-adams-watching-bill-barr/
https://blog.dilbert.com/2019/04/18/episode-498-scott-adams-obstruction-of-a-witch-hunt-mental-health-crisis-dale-more/
https://blog.dilbert.com/2019/04/19/episode-499-scott-adams-the-mueller-report-and-mental-illness/
LOOK! Mueller has delivered a "devastating portrait." Too bad he was hired and expected to deliver indictments, innit? On the other hand, painting in so much detail gave plenty of time for 1) much to be leaked and 2) much (and more important) to be scrubbed.
Our organs of state security couldn't even frame the guy competently. No wonder the Sovi--sorry Russians--ran wild. Or so we are told. Too bad we didn't have anyone in authority to protect us from their wiles.
Narr
I'm told CNN and MSNBC are following every lead
Fen: "I checked them out last night. Their main article on the Meuller report had NINE comments."
Perhaps LLR Chuck only had time to leave 9 comments, assuming Jonah and David French's sockpuppet didn't leave their requisite number.
The globalists are going to tire of their cucks at NRO if they aren't useful anymore and stop paying them.
Just like they stopped supporting weekly standard when it became worthless to them.
no they look at him and laugh 'what a maroon' we make this stuff up for the proles, but you aren't supposed to take it seriously,
I don't like to use the word 'cuck' because it suggests they were faithful at one time to a standard, maybe a long time ago,
Achilles: "Just like they stopped supporting weekly standard when it became worthless to them."
Actually, Phil Anschutz got tired of the lefty BS all of LLR Chuck's heroes were putting out so he pulled the data out of the operation that was still worth something and then cut the The Cuckly Standard crew loose.
Cap'n Billy Kristol couldn't find any backers so the Cuckly crew cut him loose to try and salvage the lefty operation and they still couldn't find any lefty backers.
So Billy boy hiked on down the road a piece and linked up with Pierre Omidyar who was looking for piece of crap trust fund babies like Kristol who would be willing to shed their faux LLR persona and go full lefty in service to the left.
And our own LLR Chuck looooooooooovvvvvvveeeeeessss him some Li'l Billy Kristol.
Howard wrote: “If you people won, why do you bleat so loudly in pain and agony? If you can't stand the heat, get out of the frying pan.”
Well Howard, it’s not bleating, it’s more akin to sighing from sadness that Resisters like you and NeverTrumpers like Chuck, rather than being relieved and glad that Mueller and his Democrat button men found neither evidence nor excuse to prosecute the President of the United States for conspiring with Russia to pollute an election or obstructing justice, prefer to wallow in your delusions and smallness to the detriment of your country.
Evidence? Meh? Trump Derangement Syndrome abides.
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