১৪ ফেব্রুয়ারী, ২০১৯

"Who in the name of God would bring a half-eaten eight-ounce jar of Hellmann’s mayonnaise to a public meeting?"

A few days ago, I was talking about a problem that Kamala Harris has as she runs for President:
She's too much of a prosecutor to win the love of a minority group Democrats need to turn out if they're going to beat Mr. Criminal Justice Reform Donald Trump.
Shouting Thomas started off a comment with...
The job of a prosecutor is to put black guys in jail, as noted in "Bonfire of the Vanities."...
I said:
Thanks for reminding me of that book, which I've been meaning to read.
I just finished "Lake Success" and have been wondering what to listen to next.

I've never read any of Tom Wolfe's fictions. [ACTUALLY: I've read "I Am Charlotte Simmons."] Love his nonfiction and have read and reread much of it, but I went through a long nonfiction period before changing my ways about a year ago....
A lot of other comments began praising "Bonfire of the Vanities," and then I said:
Let's all read "Bonfire of the Vanities."

I'm going to read it and will put up posts with some quotes I like, so if you read along with me, I'll have a place where we can talk about it.
Laslo Spatula responded with:
Sounds great, but will there be damp snake underwear?
And I know exactly what that means. It's a reference to my old "Gatsby" project, where I took one sentence from "The Great Gatsby" out of context and we just talked about that sentence. On March 5, 2013, the sentence was:
The prolonged and tumultuous argument that ended by herding us into that room eludes me, though I have a sharp physical memory that, in the course of it, my underwear kept climbing like a damp snake around my legs and intermittent beads of sweat raced cool across my back.
So, I'm up for this. I won't jump around in the book as I did with "Gatsby," and I'm not going to limit myself to a single sentence, because I don't think Wolfe does challenging, weird sentences the way F. Scott Fitzgerald did. I'm going to read at my own pace (or listen, in my old pre-cataract-surgery style, which lets me walk all over town), and I'll pick something from the part I've read most recently, consecutive words in a string about the size of the one I will give you today. Unlike with the "Gatsby" project, you can bring in what you know from the context, but please concentrate on the quoted text and make as much of it as you can.

Here's the book, if you want to buy it at Amazon, using an Althouse-blog-supporting link. And here's the passage, from Kindle location 172:
Something hits the Mayor on the shoulder. It hurts like hell! There on the floor—a jar of mayonnaise, an eight-ounce jar of Hellmann’s mayonnaise. Half full! Half consumed! Somebody has thrown a half-eaten jar of Hellmann’s mayonnaise at him! In that instant the most insignificant thing takes over his mind. Who in the name of God would bring a half-eaten eight-ounce jar of Hellmann’s mayonnaise to a public meeting?
A few stray thoughts.

1. There is no other appearance of mayonnaise in the book, but there is another jar in the book. It's "a jar of pickled peaches," and that jar isn't really there at all. Somebody is just twisting his hands as if he's "trying to open a jar of pickled peaches," which is funny, because if there is no jar of pickled peaches there's nothing about the twisting motion of the hands that could possibly be specific to peaches, pickled or no.

2. The first 4 letters of "mayonnaise" are the same as the first 4 letters of "Mayor."

3. Mayonnaise is white and so is the Mayor, and he's trying to show that he can do a public meeting in Harlem. It goes very badly as the thrown mayonnaise exemplifies. I infer that mayonnaise was chosen by a black person to express hostility to the Mayor's whiteness. That's half of the answer to the question "Who in the name of God would bring a half-eaten eight-ounce jar of Hellmann’s mayonnaise to a public meeting?"

4. The other half of the answer to that question requires me to observe that the mayor assumes that the jar was half-eaten when it was brought in. It's possible that the jar was full or less than half-eaten and that someone was eating (or doing something else with) mayonnaise during the meeting, which would be disgusting.

5. The Mayor is under attack — physically and in terms of his political career — but his mind is taken over by wondering about the provenance of the mayonnaise. It might work as a calming technique to focus on a small, concrete detail in times of stress, but I think the Mayor is a man who can't easily get his priorities in order, and also that Wolfe is guessing — quite accurately, in my case — that the mayonnaise will distract the reader.

6. Distracted by the mayonnaise, the reader feels distanced. The Mayor's problems are not mine. Ha ha, mayonnaise. That's funny. Characters will suffer in this book, but it's a big comedy, and the reader is encouraged to laugh, even as the horrible difficulties of racial discord in NYC come flying at us, like a hurled jar of blackberry preserves.

7. "Hellmann's." Maybe it's mayonnaise to make it possible to say "Hellmann's." That's a hell of a brand name. The word "hell" appears 99 times in this book, including in the second sentence of the passage quoted above, "It hurts like hell!" We'll see how much hell there is to come and whether it hurts as much as a half-full 8-ounce jar to the shoulder.

৯০টি মন্তব্য:

richlb বলেছেন...

Hellman's is also a great reference because it's not sold all over. The same product in exactly the same packaging is sold as "BEST FOODS MAYONNAISE" West of the Rockys.

traditionalguy বলেছেন...

Bezos must have read Bonfire and lost his nerve.

tcrosse বলেছেন...

There's a scene in "Annie Hall", IIRC, in which Woody is considering converting to Christinity. He has brought home a loaf of white bread and a jar of mayonnaise.

mockturtle বলেছেন...

There's a scene in "Annie Hall", IIRC, in which Woody is considering converting to Christinity. He has brought home a loaf of white bread and a jar of mayonnaise.

I've seen it several times and don't recall that scene.

mockturtle বলেছেন...

Bonfire is one of the better modern novels.

tcrosse বলেছেন...

I've seen it several times and don't recall that scene.

Maybe not Annie Hall, but one of the early, funny ones.

Sydney বলেছেন...

There's a scene in "Annie Hall", IIRC, in which Woody is considering converting to Christianity. He has brought home a loaf of white bread and a jar of mayonnaise.

It is in Hannah and her Sisters.

richlb বলেছেন...

The Woody Allen film is Hannah and Her Sisters.

Churchy LaFemme: বলেছেন...

Here's the mayonnaise scene from 2002's goofy and goodhearted "Undercover Brother".

richlb বলেছেন...

Mayo as defining a white person also comes up in the movie Undercover Brother. The titular character eats it to prove he's really white on the inside.

tcrosse বলেছেন...

Here's Woody's Wonder Bread and Mayo scene

MikeR বলেছেন...

In those circumstances, I don't think I would be able to discern that the jar of mayonnaise was 8-ounce.

gspencer বলেছেন...

Q. Who would bring a mayo jar to a meeting?

A. The Bronx residents up on Gun Hill Road who were having a "community meeting" with "Goldberg," who was the mayor of NYC, assigned with that derisive name by the Reverend Bacon and his "community activists," most notably Buck (famed for his big elbows and gold earring(, because it reminded and stirred up the "community" of the Jewish factions which, in their fevered minds, ran their lives and kept them down.

Bonfires is one of the best books written about identity politics.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gun_Hill_Road_(road)

John Christopher বলেছেন...

I read this years ago when I was in college, but listened to the audiobook last summer. The narrator does a terrific job of capturing the absurdity and humor.

RobinGoodfellow বলেছেন...

Didn’t like Bonfire of the Vanities. Or A Man in Full.

The Right Stuff was excellent.

I’ll maybe stick with his non-fiction.

J. Farmer বলেছেন...

I missed the original post in which Bonfires was discussed. It was a decent novel, but it's a great piece of sociology, more relevant today than before. Trayvon Martin case, the Duke Lacrosse scandal, Michael Brown, the UVA rape case, the Covington boys. The hunt for the great white defendant carries on.

p.s. The 1990 Brian Depalma film adaptation is trash.

Earnest Prole বলেছেন...

Bonfire anticipated so much of our current politics.

buwaya বলেছেন...

"Bonfire anticipated so much of our current politics."

It described a mostly-local situation at the time, which has expanded and gotten even more complex since.

AllenS বলেছেন...

Every black that I know uses mayonnaise and not Hellmanns. Of course, Kamala isn't that black is she?

Ken B বলেছেন...

Bonfire was great. Might be worth a reread.

Wince বলেছেন...

"Who in the name of God would bring a half-eaten eight-ounce jar of Hellmann’s mayonnaise to a public meeting?"
A few days ago, I was talking about a problem that Kamala Harris has as she runs for President


My first though on seeing that headline was whether Kamala Harris is carrying the half-eaten jar of Hellman's in her purse to appeal to white voters the way Hillary said she carried that bottle of Hot Sauce in her purse to appeal to black voters.

Ann Althouse বলেছেন...

"... please concentrate on the quoted text and make as much of it as you can."

Amadeus 48 বলেছেন...

Folks, Bonfire was where we were headed then, and everything has gotten hopped up since 1987. What Bonfire didn’t anticipate was the Giuliani/ Bloomberg interval. Dinkins spent 4 years fiddling while New York sank, then people said enough, already, and elected Giuliani and then Bloomberg. DiBasio is slowly undoing all that.
This novel deals with the world of Ed Koch, John Gutfreund, Ivan Boesky, Jesse Jackson, Al Sharpton, Anthony Haden Guest (or Christopher Hitchens). Reagan was president and Tip O’Neill was Speaker of the House.
Enjoy.

rcocean বলেছেন...

I loved your comment picking up on Wolfe's distance from characters and that this will be a comedy.

I don't know if Bonfire properly labeled a "black comedy" but a lot of characters get abused - and I laughed while reading about it (because they mostly deserve it). As for Hellmans. I've had it and it tasted like Miracle whip to me. but then I'm not a big mayo fan.

iowan2 বলেছেন...

Wolfe wants to concentrate on Hellman's. Three times in a short paragraph. Hellman's. This draws attention to the meeting being held in Harlem, and the friction between the Jewish community and the Black community. Its not 'white' mayonnaise. It's HELLMAN'S (Jewish) mayonnaise. Half eaten Hellman's thrown at a Jewish Mayor

NorthOfTheOneOhOne বলেছেন...

AllenS said...

Every black that I know uses mayonnaise and not Hellmanns.

Best Foods? It's really Hellman's, but in most of the midwestern/western states it's sold as Best Foods Mayonnaise. Never understood why that was; I figured it must be because some people get creeped out by the name Hellman. Wasn't a problem back in the South, everyone there used Duke's.

BudBrown বলেছেন...

Yeah, but I thought black people use Miracle Whip. Not mayonnaise. So why was it half full?

Michael K বলেছেন...

listened to the audiobook last summer.

I read "Bonfire" years ago. The audio book is a good idea for our next trip to California.

I was in the Bronx Supreme Court for a trial in 1995. Just as described. The lawyer whose witness I was had an iron cage over his window air conditioner to keep his clients from stealing it.

tcrosse বলেছেন...

So why was it half full?

Better than half empty

rcocean বলেছেন...

"The lawyer whose witness I was had an iron cage over his window air conditioner to keep his clients from stealing it."

That's sad - but hilarious.

madAsHell বলেছেন...

Woody Allen is a master DJ. He samples scenes from old movies, and spins out new ones. A real William Burroughs he is!!

rcocean বলেছেন...

Hellmann’s mayonnaise

Its interesting that Wolfe uses this phrase 3 times. He doesn't say Mayonaise - he doesn't say Hellman's. He doesn't use the full phrase at first and then switch to Hellman's. Nope. He uses the full phrase 3 times.

And so, i went back and read it and substituted words and for some reason the full phrase works best. I guess that's why Tom Wolfe was a great writer.

Bob Boyd বলেছেন...

"A mayo scalp treatment is a great way to kill head lice naturally. Apply a layer of mayo all over the scalp at bedtime, then cover with a shower cap and go to sleep. In the morning, comb the hair and wash thoroughly."

https://www.onegoodthingbyjillee.com/17-surprisingly-clever-uses-for-mayonnaise/

Quaestor বলেছেন...

I just purchased the Audible edition of "Bonfire of the Vanities" by using the Althouse portal. (expecting breathless praise) Not having an available credit I also purchased three of them for $38.30, making my audiobook only less than 12 bucks before sales tax. Not a bad discount.

Quaestor বলেছেন...

"A mayo scalp treatment is a great way to kill head lice naturally..."

That's only true if you use natural mayonnaise sourced from organically grown mayonnaise trees.

Heartless Aztec বলেছেন...

Whew! Glad it's a Bonfire and not an Acid Test.

Bob Boyd বলেছেন...

"That's only true if you use natural mayonnaise sourced from organically grown mayonnaise trees."

But Miracle Whip will kill anything.

iowan2 বলেছেন...

I immediately got Bonfire of the Vanities on Audible when the subject came up 10? days ago. I have traveled alot in the last two weeks, so Bonfire seemed like a great opportunity to play with all my friends,(and of course learn, inspite of myself) Just getting into the Audible books, and it requires a different set of planning and expectations. Still enjoy reading more than listening, but I am having fun at both. That's the important part.

Chris of Rights বলেছেন...

I've read Bonfire and seen the movie, which was widely panned.

I can tell you that the movie has one clear advantage over the book. The pain only lasts two hours. It is not an enjoyable read. At all.

PM বলেছেন...

My favorite motif in "The Right Stuff" is every time Yeager's about to break another record, he asks Ridley if can borrow some Hellmann's. He always promises to pay it back.

AllenS বলেছেন...

Uh, I should have said Miracle Whip instead of mayonnaise.

Paul Zrimsek বলেছেন...

Give me Ham on five and hold the Mayo.

Maillard Reactionary বলেছেন...

Althouse quoted Shouting Thomas thus:

"The job of a prosecutor is to put black guys in jail, as noted in "Bonfire of the Vanities..."

True enough, but that's just shooting fish in a barrel. Wolfe notes that the prosecutors know they are almost all obviously, egegregiously guilty. But what can really make your career is to put a white guy in jail. That's pretty much the key plot point, the all-out effort to make an example of the hapless Sherman McCoy.

Joyce or Conrad it's not, but the book is full of truth and often laugh-out-loud funny, in my recollection.

My main quibble with the book is its relative lack of sympathetic characters. Everybody is phony, dirty, a criminal, or on the make and willing to make whatever compromises are needed to improve his position in the manure pile. Except perhaps the judge at the climactic trial, who expressed his opinion of the prisoners on the bus who were shouting at him that morning in emphatic and unmistakable fashion.

Lucien বলেছেন...

@PM:

Beman’s, not Hellman’s.

John henry বলেছেন...

I was slightly off topic when I asked this the other day, in another thread about Kamala So let me ask it here where I am on topic:

This is at the same meeting, just after the mayonnaise is thrown. Or perhaps just before. A lady in the crowd, a supporter of the mayor, is thinking:

“I wish I could help you, but what can I do? Behold the wrath of the people!” Oh, she’s afraid like all the rest! She knows she should stand up against this element! They’ll go after black people like her next! They’ll be happy to do it! She knows that. But the good people are intimidated! They don’t dare do a thing! Back to blood! Them and us!"

I read the sample of Back to Blood and didn't continue so don't know what it is about. Now I am wondering if there is a connection between the two books and just what this "Back to blood" phrase means.

Anyone know?

John Henry

Leora বলেছেন...

Phidippus, I agree. I found I regretted spending 6 to 8 hours with Sherman McCoy when I could have been reading a book whose author loved his characters.

John henry বলেছেন...

It was a hell of a coincidence but about an hour or two before I had started on Bonfire I had read some blog post criticizing someone for being the type of person who sits in their recliner eating Costco mayonaise right out of a 5 gallon bucket. (Maybe Ace of Spades?)

I like mayonaise and eat a lot of I buy the gallon jar at Costco. But I always eat it on something. Until the Ace comment I had never even considered that there might be people who ate mayonaise all by itself. Then I saw the bit about the half eaten jar and thought that maybe here is someone else who eats mayonaise from the jar.

I'm up to the part where he and Maria are finally headed to the GW Bridge and loving it.

John Henry

Rick বলেছেন...

so if you read along with me,

I would love to as this is on my list but I know you'll lap me in half a day.

Bob Boyd বলেছেন...

Half eaten

How does he know it was eaten?

Bob Boyd বলেছেন...

Mayonnaise is the duct tape of sandwich spreads.

Michael K বলেছেন...


Blogger PM said...
My favorite motif in "The Right Stuff" is every time Yeager's about to break another record, he asks Ridley if can borrow some Hellmann's.


Yeager was 96 yesterday,

Bob Boyd বলেছেন...

"My favorite motif in "The Right Stuff" is every time Yeager's about to break another record, he asks Ridley if can borrow some Hellmann's. He always promises to pay it back."

I've never seen Mayonnaise flavored chewing gum, but in Japan they have man-smell gum.

I suppose if a guy was desperate he could chew on one of those little mayo packets for a while.

narciso বলেছেন...

I guess he couldn't find any on wall street, in the newspaper columns, in the milieu of al, I mean reverend bacon,

Just asking questions (Jaq) বলেছেন...

I'm stumped. It's detail, maybe trying to create a concrete image, combined with his thought about the absurdity of it. Maybe it's like the "Dutch angle" the media used in photographs of Trump, creating a sense of chaos but hinting at planned malice.

Just asking questions (Jaq) বলেছেন...

It might have come from an actual anecdote, as they say, fiction has to sound real, reality doesn't.

Tank বলেছেন...

Tank picks #3, it’s about his being white.

Tank read Bonfire in law school when it came out. I recall thinking it was about the best, funniest thing I’d read for about three quarters of the book, then it tailed off. Gotta be the most prophetic book ever. I’m afraid if I read it again it won’t be as good and will spoil the memory.

I also enjoyed A Man in Full and Back to Blood. Those books also tail off.

hombre বলেছেন...

Nobody cares about Harris’ negatives. She’s “black”, she’s female and she’s a Democrat. If she survives the internal politics of the DNC - think Bernie - to become the nominee, she wins the Democrat monoliths: Blacks, Jews, LGBTs, neo-feminists, Deep Staters, Socialists, young morons, pseudo intellectuals. By 2020 that will be enough no matter how much Trump accomplishes.

hombre বলেছেন...

Nobody cares about Harris’ negatives. She’s “black”, she’s female and she’s a Democrat. If she survives the internal politics of the DNC - think Bernie - to become the nominee, she wins the Democrat monoliths: Blacks, Jews, LGBTs, neo-feminists, Deep Staters, Socialists, young morons, pseudo intellectuals. By 2020 that will be enough no matter how much Trump accomplishes.

David Duffy বলেছেন...

I haven't read this one and I'm about due for another Wolfe book. I think I'll join in.

The quoted passage reminds me of one of my most laugh-out-loud scenes from Wolfe: The flack catchers, including the mayor, being mau-maued at city hall in San Francisco. I read it on a cruise with Mrs Duffy. When she asked what was so funny, I described the scene. I received only a slight smile from her.

When I later described the scene to my son who was attending a very left-wing University of California campus at the time, he roared with laughter as he recalled a scene at one of the student government meetings. It was a meeting between minorities on how to get more of their individual racial groups accepted (from my tour of the camps with the young Mr. Duffy, it looked to be about 75% Asian). Apparently, the Hispanics and the African-Americans got into a shouting match and any hope of the meeting increasing diversity was thwarted by mutual mistrust and animosity.

dgstock বলেছেন...

Best part of Bonfire was the superbly frustrating epilogue.

Jupiter বলেছেন...

I'm thinking, the lid must be on the jar.

This is a frequent Wolfe technique. The unexpected detail, involving a peculiar object, that brings you up short. In contemplating the object, you begin to imagine yourself in the place of the person who has been hit with it, or stepped on it, or been accosted by a lunatic wearing it. It's Wolfe's trick for getting you to inhabit a character, if only briefly.

Michael বলেছেন...

Observe Wolfe's sharp eye for dress. Shoes in particular. He gets it perfectly every time. From Sherman's $650 New and Lingwood shoes to the huge white sneakers, with Velcro, worn by the black kids in the courtroom.

PJ57 বলেছেন...

With Tom Wolfe, it is best not to dive deep, instead going wide. Hellman's is a Germanic name, maybe Jewish. Pelting the clueless Jewish mayor (Abe Beame?) requires us to think that people on both sides of the divide can model symbolic gestures. The half empty part is for humor. Wolfe is not Tolstoy!

Quaestor বলেছেন...

How does he know it was eaten?

Maybe half was used to treat head lice.

rightguy বলেছেন...

I'm in. Just got it on Kindle through the AA portal.

Henry বলেছেন...

Regarding the paragraph in question, it's a beautiful example of how that strange character, the Narrator messes with a character we think we know, the Mayor:

Narrator: Something hits the Mayor on the shoulder.

Mayor: It hurts like hell! There on the floor—a jar of mayonnaise, an eight-ounce jar of Hellmann’s mayonnaise. Half full! Half consumed! Somebody has thrown a half-eaten jar of Hellmann’s mayonnaise at him!

Narrator: In that instant the most insignificant thing takes over his mind.

Mayor: Who in the name of God would bring a half-eaten eight-ounce jar of Hellmann’s mayonnaise to a public meeting?

What is neat about the back and forth between Narrator and Mayor is the way it advances time. "It hurts like hell! There on the floor..." All this sums up the Mayor's visceral reaction.

Following the Narrator's next interjection, it is clear that we are at a later point in time. Not "in that instant", but actually a little after "that instant", as we've already read how the Mayor felt "in that instant." This second trip inside the Mayor's head also tells us something else about the Mayor, that the way he retains the event as memory is as a joke about himself: "someone threw a jar of mayonnaise at me and the first thing I thought was..." Not the visceral "Half full! Half consumed!" That was his panic talking.

Quaestor বলেছেন...

Professor Bobo on the subject of mayonnaise.

mccullough বলেছেন...

It does not say which of the mayor’s shoulders was hit. Just “the shoulder” even though he has two.

It’s evoking “putting my shoulder to the wheel.” That expression never says which shoulder.

The mayor got hit in the shoulder because he’s not putting his shoulder to the wheel. He hurt his shoulder but he doesn’t need it because he doesn’t use it.

gspencer বলেছেন...

"You don't think the future doesn't know how to cross a bridge?"

L Day বলেছেন...

When I was in second grade we lived in the projects. My parents worked hard and slept in on Saturday mornings. The only real luxury I remember them having. I'd get up early and make my own breakfast, a mayonnaise and white bread sandwich, and go out for the day. None of my friends were up yet so I just wandered around, waiting. We lived on the white side of the project.

Howard বলেছেন...

Mayo and Vanilla get bad raps for being plain jane whitebread dull etc. Real vanilla is expensive as fuck because it is the most ubiquitous flavoring for sweets. Mayonnaise is the cultural intersection of cooking and chemistry. By combining three things that don't mix, instead an emulsion is born. That's why Millennial kids add a bit of garlic and other spices and call mayo aioli.

David Duffy বলেছেন...

White bread, mayonnaise, white rice, and vanilla ice cream were popular because you can instantly spot impurities, like insects, against a white background. After smell and taste, it was the next food safety safeguard.

Marcus Bressler বলেছেন...

I read BotV and enjoyed it. In fact, I read the serialization of it in Rolling Stone (when I still got that rag). Wolfe changed a few things but the serialization got me hooked (that's how Dickens did it!)

Hellman's is my favorite mayo. In my kitchens, I would not order generic. I wonder if the commercial jingle refers to its name west of the Rockies: "When you bring out the Hellman's, you bring out the (B)est!" Double meaning?

THEOLDMAN

Mark Daniels বলেছেন...

I remember reading 'Bonfire of the Vanities' back in the day. I remember finishing it not with the thought, "What a great book," but "How clever that Tom Wolfe is." There seems to me to be a difference from great writers who write great books and great personalities who write memorable prose. Wolfe sort of fell in the latter category for me.

And I don't see this as a slam. 'Bonfire' was a kind of mirror held up to the materialism and shallowness, as well as the racism and hypocrisy, of our society. Although it's been decades since I read it, I suspect that even if it doesn't hold up well as literature, it might ring even truer as a description of America today.

themightypuck বলেছেন...

I'm in. Always wanted to read this book anyway and I think I actually have it somewhere.

David Duffy বলেছেন...

The half jar of mayonnaise is a baseball.

When I first signed up for Little League my coaches tried to teach me to be a pitcher. I loved holding the ball, looking at the batter, and then throwing with all my might. I had a better than average arm with no control. Throwing a baseball as hard as you can at someone is a unique experience. If the ball hit the batter, well that was a good feeling too. The closest experience to that is driving a nail with a hammer on a home improvement project.

Wolfe is explaining a pitcher/batter interaction and what it feels like to get beaned. I wish the quoted text included the feeling of the pitcher beaning some crook.

Mrs. X বলেছেন...

Wolfe doesn’t get close enough or let readers get close enough to the characters to make any of them sympathetic. He doesn’t like them so neither do we. The Hellman’s Mayonnaise hardly has to do any work to distance us from the mayor; he’s already far far away. Not the kind of book I usually like but I loved and love it, both in 1987 and now.

Christy বলেছেন...

I was deeply impressed by BotV back in the day but found it scary rather than funny. In fact, all of his novels are scary to me. I couldn't finish IACS and stopped BtB after two chapters.

As to mayo, the scene meant nothing to me at the time because I had been avoiding the high fat condiment all my life (not so much from virtue but from a gross joke involving frogs and mayo in a blender told me by an aunt when I was a little girl) and "Hellmans" meant nothing to me.

Craig বলেছেন...

It took me a long time to read The Electric Kool-Aid Acid Test. It's a short book but I kept having flashbacks every third paragraph. He laced it with strychnine and he did it on purpose.

Laslo Spatula বলেছেন...

“I have always wanted to write a book that ended with the word ‘mayonnaise.” -- Richard Brautigan

I am Laslo.

Kirk Parker বলেছেন...

Wolfe meets Brautigan -- where else but on Althouse???!?

traditionalguy বলেছেন...

Burn Baby burn. We Kindled it for slow reading, and then we added audible too. The narrator is excellent.

Just asking questions (Jaq) বলেছেন...

Is it really insignificant that someone came armed with a projectile?

Ann Althouse বলেছেন...

"Better than half empty."

Not when you're getting hit with it.

It does offer an occasion to contemplate the old half full/half empty optimism/pessimism trope.

Ann Althouse বলেছেন...

" Back to blood! Them and us!" I read the sample of Back to Blood and didn't continue so don't know what it is about. Now I am wondering if there is a connection between the two books and just what this "Back to blood" phrase means."

From the New Yorker review of "Back to Blood":

"The phrase “back to blood” is not new in Wolfe’s work, either. It is characteristic shorthand for his conservative paranoia, and occurs early in “The Bonfire of the Vanities.” The white mayor of New York is heckled by an angry crowd in Harlem. “Hymie!” and “Goldberg!” are tossed at him. He catches the eye of a sympathetic African-American woman, whose look seems to say, “What can I do?” The mayor tells himself, “They’ll go after black people like her next. They’ll be happy to do it! She knows that. But the good people are intimidated! They don’t dare do a thing! Back to blood! Them and us!” Surveying the mayhem, the mayor imagines a soliloquy, a Wolfean trumpet blast: “Come down from your swell co-ops, you general partners and merger lawyers! It’s the Third World down there! Puerto Ricans, West Indians, Haitians, Dominicans, Cubans, Colombians, Hondurans, Koreans, Chinese, Thais, Vietnamese, Ecuadorians, Panamanians, Filipinos, Albanians, Senegalese, and Afro-Americans! Go visit the frontier, you gutless wonders!” The passage masquerades as good literary incitement, and was touted as such by Wolfe in his manifesto in defense of reportorial realism, “Stalking the Billion-Footed Beast” (1989). The real writer, it is understood, must leave the enervating study and the filtered formalisms of postmodern prose, go out and hit the sidewalks (where the exclamation marks cluster in giant, swaying crowds!), and register the teeming ideological and racial realities. It is the only way to “know what truly presses upon the heart of the individual, white or nonwhite, living in the metropolis in the last decade of the twentieth century.”

"But what if the writer is incapable of intelligently analyzing these complex realities, and merely exploits them for sensation; if the writer replicates the same explosive “Third World” combustibility in book after book; if the writer cannot possibly press upon “the heart of the individual” because he takes the same raging pulse in all his characters? In that case, this martial cry may look less like a call to arms than like a call to alarm, an unconscious peal of fear. Sure enough, Miami is identically “back to blood” in “Back to Blood.”"

Ann Althouse বলেছেন...

The New Yorker writer is James Wood.

Not to be confused with James Woods, the actor (and prolific tweeter).

Ann Althouse বলেছেন...

Very good point about Hellmann's as a detail intended to say: Jewish!

"Regarding the paragraph in question, it's a beautiful example of how that strange character, the Narrator messes with a character we think we know, the Mayor:"

Excellent point and demonstration of it. I like 3d person writing like this. It's very close to 1st person, but there's great latitude. "Lake Success" did this too.

Lovernios বলেছেন...

"And I don't see this as a slam. 'Bonfire' was a kind of mirror held up to the materialism and shallowness, as well as the racism and hypocrisy, of our society."

Mark Daniels, this is a key point and why the book was titled "Bonfire of the Vanities". The original bonfires were burning in 15th century Florence when the well to do fell under the influence of the renegade priest Savonarola. They would bring all their paintings, clothing, furniture - all of their vanities to the Piazza della Signoria to be burned.

Savonarola excoriated the wealthy for their materialism, shallowness and lack of devotion. He damned to hell those who didn't agree like the Medici and the Borgia Pope. Savonarola called the Pope the Whore of Rome. He was eventually excommunicated and when that didn't work, burned at the stake in that same piazza. There is a marker on the ground that commemorates Savonarola's execution. I took a photo of it.

Lovernios বলেছেন...

Hmmmm. I seem to be the last commenter in a lot of these posts. I must be caught in some temporal anomaly.

David Duffy বলেছেন...

The mayonnaise jar is justice by stoning. The Hebrews practiced it after the exodus. Christians died by it. Parts of Islam still considers it a just punishment. Beaning someone in the batters box is the same form of immediate justice.

From the Wikipedia:

"Stoning, or lapidation, is a method of capital punishment whereby a group throws stones at a person until the subject dies. No individual among the group can be identified as the one who kills the subject. This is in contrast to the case of a judicial executioner. Often slower than other forms of execution, stoning within the context of contemporary Western culture is considered a form of execution by torture."

The mayonnaise jar was the first stone thrown by he who was without sin.

-- I'm probably thinking to much a Tom's book.