The more serious risk to backing away from the Midwest... is that the party could endanger its newly won House majority and all but concede a long-term Republican majority in the Senate....ADDED: What, exactly, did Evers mean by "rational"? I think — and I've been living in Wisconsin and watching the politics here for 30+ years — he means reality-based and not caught up in left-wing ideology. And notice that the key is not to be rational but to be "viewed as rational."
“If you can’t make the case to — and you don’t show up for — rural voters, you’re never going to have the Senate, so you’re never going to be able to govern,” said the former agriculture secretary and Iowa governor Tom Vilsack....
[Sherrod] Brown... quick to point out that no Republican has ever won the presidency without carrying Ohio.... [said] “I don’t want to wake up the day after the election in 2020 and win the popular vote by 4.5 million and lose the Electoral College.”
A good response to Evers is then how the hell did Trump win Wisconsin? He couldn't have been viewed as rational... or could he??? It's a valuable thought experiment for Democrats: What if Trump won Wisconsin because the people there viewed him as rational? Is that something you can get inside and really imagine?
It's so much easier to think that the people of Wisconsin (and other midwestern places) are just dumb or uneducated or bigoted, and when you think that lazily it's no wonder you're tempted to write off the Midwest and go looking for votes in the south (not that you think the people there are so sharp, just that their dullness slides in your direction).
But if you could get your mind around why Tony is right — and you ought to presume in his favor, because he beat Scott Walker — you might figure out how to reach the minds of the people who live here. Perhaps such mental labors are too tedious for you. Go back to sleep. Here, Scott Walker has a pillow for you....
Look what Tonette got us from @MyPillowUSA (Made in the USA 🇺🇸) pic.twitter.com/FXznbfpHsX— Scott Walker (@ScottWalker) February 24, 2019
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Trump’s performance on the job and AOC’s GND has sunk the Dems in the Midwest. Trump’s re-election is now a lock even with the massive cheating the Dems will get away with.
Yesterday, Book TV showed an hour-long interview (by Bill Kristol) of Howard Schultz. I was very impressed. If he runs, he might win.
He's estimating the state's openness to soap opera. There may be enough women, he figures.
Without the Electoral College our President would be entirely determined by the morons or California working together with the idiots of New York City.
"Howard Schultz. I was very impressed. If he runs, he might win."
No.
Tony who?
Evers was practical and down to earth about policy and not a political puppet like Walker who faught transparency in his government and avoid the pot holes left by his administration, and rational voters saw that and voted for Evers.
Dat Trumpster, he done planned him a 4th of July Celebration at the Lincoln Memorial. Can't wait to see Wisconsin sends its Pro-Trump Americans to celebrate THE WINNING. Scott walker should lead them riding his Harley.
The Chinese and the North Koreans are making new deals with Trump. Peace is breaking out everywhere.
I'm surprised Trump hasn't offered Walker a job yet. Perhaps he turned it down.
Gov Evers is a fine one to talk about rationality:
Evers claims drug crimes account for 75 percent or more of state prison population.
Like a devoted Progressive, when he says 'reality-based,' he means 'reality-as-we-define-it'. Just as 'conversation' means 'monologue.'
"...get your mind around why Tony is right — and you ought to presume in his favor, because he beat Scott Walker..."
"...rational voters saw that and voted for Evers."
Fairly sure there were a lot of irrational, revenge voters, aka teachers. I say this having a very good friend who is a teacher in Wisconsin.
A big part of winning Wisconsin is showing up.
In New Mexico, 14 of the 33 county commissions, and with more expected to follow, have now voted to declare their counties "gun sanctuary" counties, i.e., they wow to refuse enforcing the new gun restriction laws proposed or passed by the new solid Democrat state legislature.
This does not necessarily mean that these counties are turning Republican - that would be a large step for families who have voted Democrat since the U.S. first arrived in New Mexico - but they are clearly signaling their unhappiness with the direction the new administration and legislature have been taking.
2020 is shaping up to be the college towns against the rural counties.
And notice that the key is not to be rational but to be "viewed as rational."
The old saw was that All democrats have to do, is not be crazy: And they can't do that
New saw: All democrats have to do is not be Viewed as crazy: Can they?
What if Trump won Wisconsin because the people there viewed him as rational? Is that something you can get inside and really imagine?
Absolutly. Yes.
I live in a rural area of what people think is the Bluest State in the Union--California. The county that I live in went 68% for Trump. The one next door...I can walk a few yards and be in that county went 79% for Trump. Trump is very popular in the rural areas and even popular with the local Hispanics who hate the wetback illegals who bring crime to their doorsteps.
Rural voters do see him as being rational. Unconventional but rational in the way he looks at how the Country is working now (not well at all) and how it should work (MAGA). We look at Trump as someone who can "get'er done". He is the guy who has the guts, gumption and grit to go up against those bastards in charge. (An actual quote from a guy at the local coffee klatch where the farmers and construction workers get together at 5am before going to work)
Trump is the logger who when we had our last wildlands fire, decided to fire up his CAT and bladed a fire break behind some houses near where the fire was coming over the hill. Cal-Fire tried to stop him because??? What he was treading on their sacred turf of watching buildings go up in flames?
Trump, I mean the logger, told Cal Fire to pound sand and finished up. Save his and some other people's homes.
Trump is promoting something that the Democrats/Socialists have been trying to stomp out for years. Normality of life, patriotism, Country first, protect the borders and the country, law and order, self reliance, less regulations, freedom!, 2nd amendment. That anyone thinks these things are a wonder or not normal is amazing.
"[Sherrod] Brown... [said] “I don’t want to wake up the day after the election in 2020 and win the popular vote by 4.5 million and lose the Electoral College.”
Something he and I agree on. I don't want him to wake up the day after the election either.
Seriously though
No One is EVER going to vote Republican, EVER again!
More Black Persons are being forced to take up jobs, Than Ever!
More Hispanic Person are being forced to take up jobs, Than Ever!
Not only is The Government is taking more money in Taxes, Than Ever!...
...Many people are being forced into higher tax brackets!
The economy is in tatters!
Evers wants to raise taxes, make moloch great again, and go full green deal, its like jim doyle never left.
Come on Althouse. You're trying too hard. Cadavers won because the media was able to whip the left up into an anti-Trump frenzy. And even with that help, he barely won. He's a dull, unimaginative, run of the mill teacher's union puppet with no leadership ability. It's hard to imagine him being more than a 1 term footnote in Wisconsin Governorship history.
Trump won because he appeared to be rational to the 63 million people that voted for him.
The key to the Democrats beating Trump is to stop going into hysterics every time Trump does something and start fighting/negotiating with him on policy.
But the Democrat party would rather maintain it's "orange man bad" purity and lose rather than concede that Trump is legitimate.
And now they have seeded so many issues to Trump (tax cuts, end the "endless" wars, fight the trade monster China, lower unemployment, prison reform, etc.) I do not think there is any room left for the Democrats to stake out "viewed as reasonable" positions. What would they be?
How could any Democrat running for President stake out a "viewed as reasonable" position that differs significantly from Trump on the following topics:
Unemployment
Ending the war in Afghanistan
Ending the war in Syria
Deregulation
Hydrocarbon production
Trade policies with China
Title IX as applied to Colleges
Title IX as applied to elementary/middle/high schools
Ending the war with North Korea
Improving trad deals (NAFTA replacement)
I view Trump as rational. I view him through the prism of outspoken New Yorker. So I don't believe much of what he boasts about -- such NY bullsh!tters were all over College when I went -- but I follow what he actually does, and how people who work for him view him. And from that I get a favorable opinion.
The rational choice was absolutely Trump over that screeching and corrupt Hillary!! whose brilliant campaign kept sending Chelsea (!!!) to WI as a proxy. Eesh.
Dust Bunny Queen said... a bunch of stuff
Don't you actually in the State of Jefferson?
The one good thing about having Cadavers as Governor is that we'll be spared all those Wisconsin/Minnesota comparisons for at least the next 4 years.
Watching Evers campaign with Kamala in Wisconsin should be interesting.
@ gilbar
Yes. I live in the GREAT State of Jefferson. In fact, on my 1972 K5 Blazer, the license plate frames read "State of Jefferson Border Patrol"
:-D If only it was a reality.
Unfortunately, despite the overwhelming sentiments of the rural areas and small towns....especially in California....our votes are drowned out by the morons in the urban areas, idiots in the College towns, the illegals who are voting and by rampant voter fraud in California. They aren't even pretending about the fraud anymore.
BTW: our County Sheriff has also stated his opposition to confiscatory gun laws. I guess he would like to see his deputies live.
Why is Scott Walker making a "gun sign" aimed at a pillow his wife gave him?
Obviously he's going to put the pillow over her face and shoot her, just like in the Hollywood movies.
The mysogenistic violence inherent in the Republicanism.
Oh, yes, yes, WI voters are so, so rational...Paul Soglin for POTUS in 2020!!
Rational: One that recognizes the Green New Deal is a bad idea or one not into socialism like communism.
"It's a valuable thought experiment for Democrats..."
I'm in favor of the Democrats experimenting with thought. Give it a try. It could be helpful and would certainly be entertaining.
And notice that the key is not to be rational but to be "viewed as rational.
They never want to alter the crazy policies. Instead the fault always lies with the rubes that didn't fall for our messaging.
We'll get em next time...
"And notice that the key is not to be rational but to be "viewed as rational.""
A key point. Like Obama was "viewed as pragmatic" by some people. Gotta give those "moderates" a way to rationalize their vote.
Here;s rational for you:
Speaking at a “Girls Who Code” event in New York City, self-identified democratic socialist Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez hit back against critics of her Green New Deal resolution.
“I just introduced the Green New Deal two weeks ago, and it’s creating all of this conversation,” the New York Democratic congresswoman said Friday to moderator Reshma Saujani, the CEO of Girls Who Code. “Why? Because no one else has even tried. Because no one else has even tried.”
Ocasio-Cortez claimed that — regardless of success — the “power” goes to the individual who tries.
“So people are like, ‘Oh it’s unrealistic. Oh it’s vague. Oh it doesn’t address this little minute thing.’ And I’m like, ‘You try. You do it. ‘Cuz you’re not. ‘Cuz you’re not. So, until you do it, I’m the boss.’ How ’bout that?'”
Jesus. Politics is all about image. Viewed is what counts. The hysteresis (lol) is Dems need to be viewed as rational and Republicans as compassionate
Trump is in his own special category
And notice that the key is not to be rational but to be "viewed as rational.
Viewed as
This is part of the reason that Trump did get elected. Voters are sick of electing people who create a fake persona of themselves as being one thing in order to get elected, and then when actually in power, proceed to do the opposite of what they pretended they would do.
Pretend to be FOR something and then do nothing about it. Or worse, actively go against what the voters thought they were getting when they elected the lying traitors.
Fool me once....
At least Trump didn't put on a fake persona or dance around the difficult issues. Warts and all is what we saw and decided to take a chance on the guy who wasn't putting on the "perfect politician" act.
“I don’t want to wake up the day after the election in 2020 and win the popular vote by 4.5 million and lose the Electoral College.”
There is a national movement to destroy the Electoral College. Here in Colorado the lefty governor is going to sign a bill that would have our EC votes go to the winner of the national vote, irregardless of how the state votes. Of course CO is now a Blue state and will always vote Dem. There are several other states, CA/IL/NY, that are part of the "compact". This is very dangerous and I have not seen any discussion by Republicans about this. It could very well mean never another Republican President.
Yes, sometime it could mean that a Rep could possible win the total vote but not the EC, then the compact would force those state to give the Rep the extra EC votes.
Dairy farmers in WI will find the Green New Deal to be irrational.
I think he is talking about someone like Soglin. I always viewed Soglin as a rational liberal, especially after Mayor Dave. I think Evers is also talking about himself. I agree with Evers.
Bushman of the Kohlrabi said...
"Come on Althouse. You're trying too hard. Cadavers won because the media was able to whip the left up into an anti-Trump frenzy. And even with that help, he barely won."
And even then, only by dint of magic votes.
Trump, I mean the logger, told Cal Fire to pound sand and finished up. Save his and some other people's homes.
In his excellent video talk, Tucker Carlson talks about the man whose wife ran away with the mailman He suggests that a rational man might wonder if he had done anything that made her want to run away. He adds, "Trump is that mailman" and the Democrats cannot bring themselves to wonder why the voters went for him.
"Oh, yes, yes, WI voters are so, so rational...Paul Soglin for POTUS in 2020!!"
Paul Soglin ran for governor in the primary and didn't do very well at all.
He came in 7th with 5.2% of the vote. Tony Evers got 41.8% in the primary. Evers feels quite moderate and ordinary. He went on to defeat Walker ( 49.5%/ 48.4%).
100% revenge vote in Wisconsin got us Evers. Well their revenge will not be sweet - he wants to up our gasoline, property and income taxes. Not to mention he is the most boring man I have ever seen - 30 seconds of him will cure the worst case of insomnia. As a life long Wisconsinite I’m sorry to say we have a lot of very stupid voters - they vote what their paper union tells them to.
"There is a national movement to destroy the Electoral College. Here in Colorado the lefty governor is going to sign a bill that would have our EC votes go to the winner of the national vote, irregardless of how the state votes. Of course CO is now a Blue state and will always vote Dem. There are several other states, CA/IL/NY, that are part of the "compact". This is very dangerous and I have not seen any discussion by Republicans about this. It could very well mean never another Republican President. Yes, sometime it could mean that a Rep could possible win the total vote but not the EC, then the compact would force those state to give the Rep the extra EC votes."
I wrote about this subject here back in 2014.
"Now, why is it that the states who are jumping for this are all blue states, seriously blue states? Is it that they are still hurting over the 2000 election? Hertzberg surmises that it's just that the red states are holding back because they think it's some revenge for 2000, but the blue states are in because it's such a great idea.
"Which party actually benefits from a switch to the popular vote? California and New York are huge states, where there are many millions of Republican votes who aren't going to control the in-state majority in a close election but would make a big difference in the national popular vote. In the 2000 election, Gore got about half a million more votes than Bush, but if the game had been to win the most votes nationally, they would have campaigned differently. Getting out Republican voters in California and New York would have mattered. And 2000 is the past. Going forward there would be so much difference.
"If I'm right about this, why don't red states join in and push the compact membership up to the point where it directs the Electoral Votes? Release the pent-up Republicans of California, New York, and Illinois!
"Maybe conservatives are simply being conservative, unwilling to see all the strange things that might happen if the old order is changed. There will be a lot of new moving parts if the switch to NPV occurs. People might think that it will become simpler — just one big vote — but this complacency is another moving part. Have you considered third party candidates with strong regional appeal skewing the vote totals of the major party candidates or perhaps even getting the plurality (perhaps a piddling plurality!)? Have you visualized the nightmare of a nationwide recount? I understand the conservative resistance to change and the liberal enthusiasm for it, which is why I'm saying that I don't think the political interests have been analyzed competently.
Continued....
"That last sentence prompted me to check to see if FiveThirtyEight had offered up any analysis. This should be right up Nate Silver's alley. And, indeed, Nate Silver does have an article on the occasion of New York's signing onto the compact. But it's: "Why a Plan to Circumvent the Electoral College Is Probably Doomed." That is, he's looking at whether the needed additional states will ever join and assuming it's a blue state thing:
"'Perhaps the compact can get Delaware, Connecticut and Maine to join.... But they account for only 14 total electoral votes... Oregon and New Mexico.... have just 12 electoral votes between them....
"'In theory, states that want a Republican in the White House might have a lot of incentive to join the compact. That’s because in the 2008 and 2012 elections, the Electoral College worked to Democrats’ benefit. States closest to the tipping point, such as Colorado, voted for Obama by a slightly wider margin than the nation as a whole. That implies that if there had been a uniform swing against Obama and he lost the national popular vote, he could have still won the Electoral College by eking out a victory in these states.'
"That's all Silver has to say about how different things would be if the election hinges on the nationwide popular vote, so I'm disappointed. He doesn't even mention the masses of Republicans trapped in big blue states whose power would be unleashed.
"I'm wondering if Democrats do worry that the NPV would be bad for them, but they've signed on, in the states where they've signed on, because, like Silver, they see that the reform movement will hit a wall. They like the look of supporting this reform. It works for them politically to cast aspersions on the fairness of our voting system. It's all theater at this point.
"But what if Republicans do the careful analysis and figure out that they would have a great advantage — as I suspect (though I might be wrong!)? Things could suddenly get quite wild."
Viewed as rational = unashamed of being white.
“A good response to Evers is then how the hell did Trump win Wisconsin? He couldn't have been viewed as rational... or could he??? It's a valuable thought experiment for Democrats: What if Trump won Wisconsin because the people there viewed him as rational? Is that something you can get inside and really imagine?”
No. Of course Trump wasn’t viewed as rational, but an almost irrational hate and fear of Clinton prevailed. Wisconsinites voted for Trump despite what they rationally thought about him, despite what Charlie’s Sykes rationally said about him daily from his conservative radio show in the Milwaukee market. My own conservative daughter and son in law in Waukesha County actually didn’t vote for him because they saw him as worse than Clinton! They usually vote Republican. Many people here in Waukesha County have nothing good to say about Trump anymore. Trump’s irrational behavior has lost him the edge he may have had here at one time, because of Clinton. Those teetering on the edge of voting for him have come down on the other side than Trump is on.
Believing China is our enemy, and should not get away with screwing over the US, is far more rational than "invite them into the WTO, and everything will be wonderful!"
Believing that people with penises are male, and that their "feelings" on the subject don't change anything, is FAR more rational than the Democrat view.
Believing that males shouldn't be allowed to compete in women's sports, and shouldn't bellowed in womens' / girls' bathrooms, locker rooms, and changing rooms is, in fact, the only rational position on the subjects.
Support for the "Green New Deal" is delusional / religious zealot, not rational.
That clear things up for you?
Why would anyone be in favor of awarding your states based on the popular vote -thereby nullifying (possibly) your states vote?
How is that fair? Colorado votes for Kamala, but Trump wins the Popular vote, so Colorado's votes go to Trump. That's bizarre.
If you want the EC to better reflect the national popular vote, just have all States with 20 or more electoral votes - award their EC votes by Congressional district.
Trump has a solid core base of about 33%. I suppose that core base may have seen him as rational, even here in Wisconsin. However that base is irrational in their unwavering support of Trump. It’s the Wisconsinites that voted for Trump because of Clinton that matter now and there are a lot of them from what I’ve seen.
My theory is that Wisconsinites don’t like bad behavior, Walker won the recall election and his second term because of the bad behavior by some during the protests, IMO. Evers won because of Trump’s bad behavior, not even really having that much to do with Walker himself.
Or, we could consider that maybe Wisconsinites are irrational when it comes to their voting patterns.
Professor Althouse?
Is there Anyone? Anywhere? That thinks that if the demo's lost the popular vote; a silly little thing like a law would stop their electors from voting demo in the EC?
I mean Seriously, do You think that?
The law would have/Could have No binding power on the electors.
Althouse writes:
He doesn't even mention the masses of Republicans trapped in big blue states whose power would be unleashed.
That's because, although he won't admit it, Nate does understand that the vote fraud that would be unleashed is greater than any possible number of "unleashed" GOP voters.
Require every voter to show a gov't issued photo ID to vote, and to register to vote. One that, by law, can ONLY be issued to US Citizens over the age of 18.
Eliminate early voting. Only allow people to vote by mail when they're provided solid proof that they can't make it to the polls on election day. Require solid proof that those voting by mail did it themselves.
Institute nationwide checks on all voters, to make sure no one is registered to vote in more than one State. Completely eliminate the ability to "register" to vote on voting day (all registrations have to be in early enough so you can do the nationwide check before the election).
Do that, and we'll talk about a "nationwide popular vote". Until then? All the vote fraud in Oregon, Colorado, CA, and NY will not be allowed to affect anything outside those States.
gilbar fills in the other half of the issue: Democrats do not act in good faith.
A Democrat minority in the US Senate filibustered multiple qualified GOP nominees, and successfully kept them off the courts, culminating in the 2006 Gang of 14 agreement that gave the Democrats a lot of victories.
Then the Democrats took control of the Senate. And in 2013, when GOP filibusters were letting them block Democrat nominees from the counts, the Democrats and their MSM enablers pulled a 180, and nuked the filibuster.
Because only Democrats are allowed to ever win.
Only an idiot would expect CO Democrat electors (picked by the CO voters) to vote for a Republican Presidential candidate who won the NPV, but who didn't win the EC. The same goes for the Democrat Electors selected from any other Democrat State that's pretended to sign on to the NPV compact.
Life is an integrated prisoners dilemma. When your default mode, as the Democrats' is, is "defect", people notice, and adapt.
There is a small but growing probability the Dems will screw this up so badly 2020 will be Reagan/Mondale all over again.
Iterated prisoners dilemma not "integrated prisoners dilemma".
The nicest thing I can say about the Democrats (I don't think it's true, I think they're just morally worthless scum) is that their constant claim that everything is the moral equivalent of the Holocaust is that it makes it impossible for them to accept it when they lose, because "you can't compromise with Hitler, or let the rules save him!!11!"
But the result of that is their opponents can not accept any rules that would bind the opponents, but not give the opponents a way to bind the Democrats, against their will.
Which is why it's no longer possible to filibuster a Supreme Court nominee
"How is that fair? Colorado votes for Kamala, but Trump wins the Popular vote, so Colorado's votes go to Trump. That's bizarre."
Because Democrats are sure that will never happen again. Just like they were sure Hillary would win in 2016.
Unintended consequences are a prog specialty.
“Do that, and we'll talk about a "nationwide popular vote". Until then? All the vote fraud in Oregon, Colorado, CA, and NY will not be allowed to affect anything outside those States.”
So worried about voter fraud by Democrats. North Carolina is having to have another election, first ever in the history of the US, because of voter fraud committed by Republicans.
“There is a small but growing probability the Dems will screw this up so badly 2020 will be Reagan/Mondale all over again.”
Wishful thinking.
I think that's likely, they have already gone full yeargh and the first month isnt over yet.
gilbar and Greg P are correct. The NPV would never be allowed to benefit a republican candidate.
"Here, Scott Walker has a pillow for you...."
Scott Walker definitely oozes the personality of Mr. Rogers.
I'm with Spock: Democrats are NOT rational.
Did Marijuana Help Tony Evers Defeat Scott Walker? Data Says Yes
MyPillow has a history of sketchy marketing.
Carbon and carbon-based life sequestration. There's the solution, final, and wicked, respectively, yet practical and seemingly rational.
The NPV interstate compact is an especially dumb idea because it relies on the dubious proposition that it can be enforced against signatory states who cheat by not casting their electoral votes for the national popular vote winner. But assuming it can be enforced, it can only bring heartache to Democrats. Think it through. Now the signatories are all blue states and they need red states to join. But why would red states join? They would have to calculate that for the upcoming election, joining would be the best way to elect a Republican President.
Let's See, Electors names are Public Knowledge; i just found out that:
Bret Chiafalo,
Levi Guerra
Esther John
were Electors in Washington state that were faithless (didn't cast their votes for Hillary)
What do you Think would happen if you were an Elector, picked by your state to vote democrat;
and you were thinking about DECIDING the election for the Republican just on account of because of the fact that the Republican 'won' the popular vote.
People (Democrat People! (Antifa People!!!)) would Know your name (it's public knowledge); AND (soon! (REAL SOON!!) your home address and car license plate number.
Would you ?
A) follow the silly law, and GET YOURSELF KILLED?
B) pay the $1000 fine that Washington state has for being faithless?
C) cast your vote for the democrat, and take the faithless law to court?
The NPV interstate compact is a flawed solution to a problem the Democrats wouldn't have if they were more careful whom they nominated.
Maybe I'm being a simpleton, but if states decide to cast their EC votes to the NPV winner, haven't we wandered into majority vote wins? Why even have the EC vote? Of course, thus passes away the Republic. States no longer matter from a federal election perspective - which means they should no longer matter in a House or the Senate scheme. Just one, big, happy family!!
Blogger Inga...Allie Oop said...
“Do that, and we'll talk about a "nationwide popular vote". Until then? All the vote fraud in Oregon, Colorado, CA, and NY will not be allowed to affect anything outside those States.”
So worried about voter fraud by Democrats. North Carolina is having to have another election, first ever in the history of the US, because of voter fraud committed by Republicans.
That's because Republicans actually take vote fraud seriously, so are willing to convict a Republican of it, but Democrats are immoral monsters who are perfectly fine with a Democrat stealing an election using vote fraud
https://hotair.com/archives/2018/12/10/nc-gop-chief-press-keep-great-work-electoral-scandal-involving-nominee/
But, I'm so glad to see you lefties being willing to admit that vote fraud does exist, and it does change elections, and that letting people vote by mail is especially problematic
My Pillow from Minnesota. Walker have some prob with The Company Store?
That implies that if there had been a uniform swing against Obama and he lost the national popular vote,
It's not in the nature of things for there to be a uniform swing in he popular vote, ordinarily, but when there's a swing, there should be a bigger swing of the popular vote in the states and localities with the biggest margins.
A Jill Stein voter is lecturing us on what constitutes a rational vote.
A Trump voter lecturing anyone on anything...laughable.
“But, I'm so glad to see you lefties being willing to admit that vote fraud does exist...”
Yes and it’s the right that is doing it, not the left.
Evers 2024!
Is this the post about shit eating grins?
Karen: "Maybe I'm being a simpleton, but if states decide to cast their EC votes to the NPV winner, haven't we wandered into majority vote wins? Why even have the EC vote?"
"States" don't cast EC votes.
Political parties select slates of Electors. The party of the candidate who wins the popular vote for that state has their slate of Electors empowered to cast the state's electoral votes.
It should come as no surprise to anyone that lefty/dems/LLR's are seeking to overturn this constitutional provision by fiat because....of course they are.....
As long as the slate of electors selected by the republican party in all states where the republican candidate receives the majority of votes (excluding those votes that are manufactured at Dem party HQ's after the polls close and/or "found" in later in trunks of cars (sorry Al Franken)) vote to select the republican, then there is no issue.
The Democrats in State Houses which are passing these "laws" know this and, as we saw in 2016, will do again what they did then: they will doxx these individuals and attempt to "persuade" them to vote for the democrat.
Lots of regimes utilize methods of "persuasion" like this.
Maduro is doing it now.....
adSs: "Is this the post about shit eating grins?"
You really really need to stop linking to and praising the lunatic Kurt Eichenwald.
You crossed the Rubicon with him the other night.
I'm a LLKE fan.
Nobody's perfect.
Except Hey Zeus.
Duh.
LLKEF
Or, google and laziness screwed me.
I dunno.
I should use Adderall or those "diet pills" that DJT had/has a scrip for.
adSs: "I should use Adderall or those "diet pills" that DJT had/has a scrip for."
I guess with the collapse of your hoax golden showers dossier, you were bound to recycle previously debunked lies.
BTW,
Why was the golden shower story supposed to be so devastating?
Seems, like F-ing a porn star w/o a condom while yur pregers wife isn't around is more problematic. Not to mention all the other stuff.
Gals pissing on BHO's Hotel bed seems weak. DJT spent years publicly sayin' the dude was too dumb to get in to college (hence transcript request) w/o a break for being black. And calling him a kid from the black continent, rather than an American not from the place where blacks come from, blacks that is, ya know where black folks come from, ya that place, the black one. Like the kinda person that gets into college cause they're black. Did ya get that, DJT wanted to make sure you know about the black guy getting into college and he's from the black place. Black. Got it?
Anywho, having hookers piss on a bed is gonna make me pay extra for the cleaning. Best to just use hookers the normal way. No charge for cum.
Kurt eichenwald lied about the black marbles re Texaco and that was his first big story he has been a fraud in a number of instances.
Whatever those pills are, they are doing an amazing job of staving off the early dementia accusations.
'Sitter..it's the Russia! Russia! Russia! leverage..turning him into "Putin's cock holster"
Drago: My bad on the wording. Yes, I am aware a party's slate of hand picked electors cast the EC votes for their state. I guess my point was, if the electors decide to buck the will of the people in their state and cast to the NPV winner, that's just majority wins voting. Hillary won the popular vote but Wisconsin state total went to Trump. The Democrat electors didn't get to say squat about the EC votes being cast by the Republican electors. How do they even envision that working unless they want it to be mandatory that either partys' electors must cast their votes to the NPV winner - which is just majority wins.
Or, I suppose, you are right and ugliness is required to turn a party's electors by threats like doxxing or perhaps there are plans to try to "plant" Democrat friendly electors in every state's Republican party slate of electors (which seems a bit far fetched and difficult because of how electors are selected in some states). Unless they are setting the stage for nefarious behavior, I see no point to this exercise.
Karen: "I guess my point was, if the electors decide to buck the will of the people in their state and cast to the NPV winner, that's just majority wins voting."
"faithless electors" is what the lefties were shooting for in 2016.
Of course, if a dem-slate elector ever voted the other way he/she/xer would probably gunned down Hodgkinson style.
adSs: "Gals pissing on BHO's Hotel bed seems weak"
Gals actually not doing that is even weaker...but every bit as welcome on the left as Jussie Smollett.
Good luck with your next hoax. Perhaps Dan Rather could be hired as a Hoax consultant to get you guys over the top next time?
"Perhaps Dan Rather could be hired as a Hoax consultant to get you guys over the top next time?"
Go hardcore: get tips from Ashley Todd.
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Great to talk to future journalists today at USC In LA. Truth matters.
Blogger Inga...Allie Oop said...
“But, I'm so glad to see you lefties being willing to admit that vote fraud does exist...”
Yes and it’s the right that is doing it, not the left.
Yep, yep!
That's why the Right is fighting to make it harder to do vote fraud, and the Left is fighting to make it easier to do vote fraud, because it's "done by the Right", and the Left just wants the Right to be able to steal elections.
You keep "thinking" that, honey
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