"There’s a widely held conspiracy theory that Facebook is eavesdropping on conversations through our smartphones — how else, the idea goes, could Facebook serve up advertisements about things I was literally just talking about?... Facebook doesn’t need to eavesdrop on you: The data it already has and is able to extract continuously... is more than enough.... The breathtaking scope of contemporary surveillance and data-extraction processes doesn’t just make conspiracy theories about astroturfed memes and bugged smartphones seem almost pathetic in comparison. It also reveals how little our own choices are able to control the flow of our data, and how little our knowledge really matters. I might be aware that photos of myself in 2009 could be misused, and choose not to participate in that meme. But simply by living a fairly regular life on and offline — by clicking on links and writing posts; by opening Instagram and scrolling through it, hovering over some photos and flicking past others; by using credit cards at chain stores; by letting photographs of myself be taken and uploaded to the internet — I’m generating data that’s probably more valuable to the companies involved than those photographs would be. There’s something tragic about the fact that the purely recreational activity of participating in a meme is the subject of conspiratorial paranoia, while the multitude of chore-like activities we do daily, from which data is also being extracted for hoarding or sale, go mostly ignored."
From "Facebook Doesn’t Need to Fool You" (New York Magazine)(reacting to "Facebook's '10 Year Challenge' Is Just a Harmless Meme — Right?," which I blogged here yesterday).
January 17, 2019
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This was the conclusion of a fair number of commentors on that thread as well. When they have cookies and algorithms they don’t need to hear your voice.
Just because they don't need to fool you...
they don’t need to hear your voice
The jury does.
I don't know about Facebook, but Google is listening for sure. We've done experiments and then get the ads.
I'm also suspicious of this argument of they know everything anyway, so who cares!
Dough ray meme, fa sco latte doh!
I bought a paid VPN, it doesn’t work with “free” VPNs, because "if you aren’t paying, you are the product." changed browsers, and disabled all of the google stuff on my phone and all microphones except Shazam, and my ads are now pretty random. I don’t use Chrome except in rare cases.
After 35 years working in Information Technology I:
(1) Make cash purchases whenever possible.
(2) Keep my cell phone turned off unless truly needed.
(3) Keep the GPS function turned off on my cell phone.
(4) Eschew social media.
(5) Exercise great care before clicking on links.
(6) Regularly cleanse my browser history files and cache.
(7) Check my (Control Panel) installed software for recent unwanted downloads.
(8) Manually control my Microsoft updates.
(9) Avoid Google like the plague.
If you’re one to enjoy experimenting try this: clear your cache and delte all cookies onyour machine, the head to a browser that lets your block all cookies. Add a tracker blocker if you can and set it to the most secure setting. Now try to head to some of the websites you use most often. Chances are the security will break them so you can’t browse. You won’t be able to get here for sure...
When you remove enough of the security layers so you can browse, once you navigate to three or four different sites google will have you- they’ll know where you’re coming from, what you’re doing there and where you’re thinking of going.
Jesus when are people going to get it through their skulls to stop willingly giving information - any information - to tech companies. They can pretty much get anything from you un-willingly.
This is handing your rapist lube and telling them to "be gentle".
"(9) Avoid Google like the plague"
Of course, Blogger is owned by Alphabet (Google). That said, I comment here routinely and really haven't seen any indication yet that Blogger is feeding Google demographics for their ads. Obviously can't say that for Google itself -,Tuesday I was looking for oak bookcases in the Phoenix area, and, lo and behold, I saw a whole bunch of ads for them on the various web pages yesterday that I frequent. Still with me today.
At one level, I can say it is just the cost of free content (probably more liberal now that they deplatformed so many conservative sites right before the last election). But I don't think that it is that innocent. As noted, a lot of conservative sites were deplatformed and demonitized in the months coming up to the election. Search results were tweaked, and sometimes heavily tweaked. There was shadow banning going on. And, I think that it was on Tucker Carlson last night that they had a segment on, I believe, Google essentially doing directed GOTV for the Dems Election Day. The person Carlson had on suggested that they believed that that gave Dem candidates 400k to 4 million extra votes. Combined with the vote harvesting in places like Orange County, CA, I think it very possible that the Dems margin of victory had nothing to do with their message, nor their hate for Trump, and everything to do with their cheating their asses off. What happens then in 2020? In a perfect world, without cheating, I think it likely that the Senate would have 60 Republicans, not 53, and the Republicans are going to need them for a chance at keeping the Senate in 2020 with the Senate map working against them. Trump last the popular vote in 2016, and it wouldn't have taken that much of a swing to have given the victory to Crooked Hillary. And that was partially at least through very shrewd targeting by Jared Kushner, using demographic data that I suspect those tech companies will work very hard to keep out of Republican hands. In short, I think it highly possible that the tech companies, combined with the various forms of cheating we saw the Dems using in the last election, could usher in the sort of unified Dem controlled government we saw in 2009 and 2010, and with that their young crazies spearheading the movement, move dramatically in a direction many here wouldn't like at all.
I think that the only thing that might save us here is a substantial attack on these tech companies. Or multiple attacks. Boycott for sure, but I am not sure if I am ready to give up at least Blogger. Need antitrust at DoJ, desperately, but my memory is that the Dems stalled that appointment for much of Trump's first two years. Maybe criminal too - there should be some way to show that those deplatformings, Google's highly biased GOTV efforts on Election Day, etc, were unreported, and greatly in excess, contributions in kind. Etc. Still, I expect the #Resistance, esp in these tech companies to remain highly effective. I suspect that firearms related stocks are going to be a good investment. Things could get very scary if this isn't stopped.
This is all true - about how marketers get our data and try to manipulate us and succeed in some ways. But isn't it also true that long-time commenters on this very blog are not able to agree on who either Althouse or Meade is? Who is Drago? Who is Lazlo? Is Inga one person or several? Where is n.n. coming from? Why does Shouting Thomas come and go? I've got questions about everyone, including "lurkers" doing one-off comments. I think I'm saying that individuals in a group present a "three-body" problem (you, me, him, reactions) which marketers have simplified to a two-body problem (you, buy). After all, what would we all buy?
@Bruce Hayden: Great analysis. This topic is complex and difficult to follow. There are no easy bumper sticker slogans for this. Worst of all, the media and the DOJ can easily ignore it knowing the mainstream media won't touch it. The real Big Brother is much more subtle than the one in 1984, but just as dangerous. The memory hole is alive and well at the MSM.
Once upon a time I ran an accounting program and meticulously tracked my expenses. After a couple of years I gave it up. Month to month the expenses were the same, I bought the same things, did the same things, and saved the same amount. Apart from major events -- buying a car, buying a house, the unexpected -- my life was utterly predictable. If all those things had been done online and tracked, I would have offered few surprises.
Wildswan said, "After all, what would we all buy?
Guns and ammunition mostly. Also some groceries and peanut butter. Should last a couple of days.
Agree with the comments about avoiding Google and their products.
PDJT could put a real hurt on Google by making DDG or Bing the default search engine on all govt computers.
Ditto Chrome. Shouldn't be on on any govt computer.
With Google refusing to do govt funded work, he has the perfect unassailable excuse.
John Henry
This just reinforces my staying away from Facebook and smartphones.
"Oh noes Facebook can target me effectively with ads".
I don't care about the data Google and Facebook collect because I don't care that they want to sell marketing information.
(Ironically, Facebook, while supposedly able to build a subtle and detailed profile of me, mostly seems to serve me ads aimed at "men 18 or older who live in the US", and entirely uninteresting to me.
So ... no, not worried.
And I say this as a dedicated libertarian and a professional software developer. I just cannot make myself give a flying goddamn about this.)
I feel much the same way as Sigivald- I don't care about what they know as long as it doesn't harm me, and the kind of information that could harm me, I don't put out on-line as a general rule. However, I do have family who put things out there that I would not put on-line, especially photographs. I have gently told them to not include me, but it doesn't really work.
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