While at second base, Ryan Braun was trying to talk Manny Machado into visiting him out in Malibu this offseason. pic.twitter.com/pk9SYoJNQG— Roger Octobernameier (@yayroger) October 15, 2018
Ryan Braun, on base for his team the Brewers, chats with the Dodger defending second base, Manny Machado. Braun, despite playing for Milwaukee, lives in Malibu, and he's inviting Machado to his house: "C’mon bruh! I know your wife’s about that beach life. … You come out this offseason, you gotta come through!"
This was in last night's big championship game, and I don't know if this was some kind of mind game of Braun's or if he's out there to make friends, but I have a particular problem with Machado, which is what I was searching for, not that wife's-about-that-beach-life bullshit.
Here. Look how dirty he played twice when sliding into second:
.@Brewers challenge call that Manny Machado did not violate slide rule at 2B in the 4th; call overturned, violation.— MLB Replay (@MLBReplays) October 16, 2018
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We play crazy mind games. They grab your leg.
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It's an abomination that slide is now illegal, and double abomination that the call was made using video review, but neither is as egregious as a grown man named "Manny."
Manny is not Ty Cobb.
I don't watch baseball. Kind of boring.
But that looked pretty obviously like he was trying to interfere with the throw to first.
What would Ty Cobb do? Let Manny be Manny.
I'm a Cubs fan, so don't even ask me about Ryan Braun. Malibu. (spits)
They grab your leg.
When you're a star, they let you.
Machado plays shortstop so it was double bad to do that. He’s going to get cleared on the next close double play.
It’s pretty cool for Brain and Moustakas to play at Dodger stadium in the playoffs. Both of them grew up in LA as big Dodgers fans. No doubt hooked up their boys with some tickets.
These guys are very friendly with each other, especially the top players who’ve been in the league for a bit and played on All Star teams together.
In last night’s Red Sox and Astros game Betts was joking around with Astros third baseman Alex Bergman after getting to third on a passed ball.
The first basemen and catchers are especially chatty. Baseball is a slow game. The outfielders can get especially bored and lonely.
If we didn't have baseball all the winners of that genetic lottery would be SOL.
Isn't Ryan Braun a "cheater" too?
That does bring up the only interesting point about baseball.
When are they going to ban augmented humans like Braun and where is the line going to be drawn? Cybernetics? Biological lab grown muscle and tendon replacements? Lasik surgery? Known previous hormone supplementation?
Also when is the Women's softball team in some country like Russia going to load the whole team up with "Transgender" women and knock the US Softball team off at the olympics?
Simple solution:
The runner is allowed to try to try to interfere with the throw.
The player trying to make the throw is allowed to discourage such interference with cleats-to-the-face.
#LetTheKidsPlay
Anne, you are funny. The things that rile you. That's why we love you.
But "dirty?" It was an infraction, for sure, but "dirty" is reserved for intentionally trying to hurt a player.
I have one word for you: Pete Rose.
Ok, that's two words, but shiiiiiiit that guy could distract a fielder during a slide.
-XC
When sliding into a base in an attempt to break up a double play, a runner has to make a "bona fide slide." Such is defined as the runner making contact with the ground before reaching the base, being able to reach the base with a hand or foot, being able to remain on the base at the completion of the slide (except at home plate) and not changing his path for the purpose of initiating contact with a fielder. The slide rule prohibits runners from using a "roll block" or attempting to initiate contact with the fielder by elevating and kicking his leg above the fielder's knee, throwing his arm or his upper body or grabbing the fielder. When a violation of the slide rule occurs, the offending runner and the batter-runner will be called out.
Accidental contact can occur in the course of a permissible slide, and a runner will not be called for interference if contact is caused by a fielder being in the runner's legal pathway to the base.
So good call on the out but it wasn't what I'd call dirty. Before 2015 the rule gave runners much latitude to take out the fielder. So long as you could reach the bag and didn't go spikes first you were Charlie Hustle. This seemed pretty tame.
Dustin Pedroia hasn't played for nearly a full year because of a dirty slide by Machado in July 2017. I would think players would not look favorably at a fellow player that is hurting other players.
-sw
"Dirty" isn't a technical term. It's a matter of opinion, a characterization. Machado did that twice, and I was glad there were consequences the second time. I naturally feel like my team is the good guys, so when the other team does something wrong, it fits the template I'm looking to impose: they're the bad guys.
How does one need to think to find the game interesting and not boring?
I know how my mind works. I think of good and evil. That's one thing I do. It's not serious good and evil, but it works to focus interest. The main thing I do is perceive/imagine the feelings of the players. I started feeling for the Dodgers catcher the other day because he was making so many mistakes, for example. He hung his head at one point. I notice who smiles and who scowls, who seems to play with joy and who's a cool professional. Etc. etc. If I didn't do that, I couldn't watch. I'd have to half watch and read at the same time.
I always fraterized with the enemy. They're just opponents.
"Stan Smith said...
Manny is not Ty Cobb."
"mezzrow said...
What would Ty Cobb do?"
Ty Cobb was not a dirty player. That was myth promoted after his death by a guy who wanted to sell a book.
https://www.freep.com/story/entertainment/arts/2015/06/09/ty-cobb-myth-legend-popular-culture/28765125/
Opposing players aren't supposed to talk to each other. It's a little-know, ignored rule.
Little-known.
The Brewers shortstop had thrown the baseball before Machado had touched his leg, so I don't see the interference, even in slow motion. Disrupting the double play throw from 2d is part of the game, even taught in little league.
First, sorry I misspelled your name.
Second, among athletes, being called a "dirty" player is worse that being called a cheater.
robother said...
The Brewers shortstop had thrown the baseball before Machado had touched his leg, so I don't see the interference, even in slow motion.
I don't know the rules, but if anything that make the intentional contact more egregious, not less. Risking injury to another player when it won't even help you win? For what purpose?
Look how dirty he played twice when sliding into second
Oh, good grief. Go back and watch how they used to slide into second base before they turned the entire thing into a pansyfest.
It’s pretty cool for Brain and Moustakas to play at Dodger stadium in the playoffs. Both of them grew up in LA as big Dodgers fans.
Yelich, too.
Well, I'm in favor of the Utley rule. Machado knows the rules - he got away with it the first time, likely on the technicality of a no-throw.
I think Manny was butthurt because earlier he booted a simple grounder that Arcia could handle in his sleep. This was his childish way of trying to establish his dominance over Orlando.
Looks like Manny is scheduled to get 6M this year vs Arcia's .6M.
And then Arcia went yard later in the game and made Machado his b@#%&.
Good on Counsel to challenge and win the second instance. One less Dodger to be LOB.haha
I think the first slide was largely unavoidable, as the announcers suggested. The pivot was square in the base path as he looked to throw to first. Machado could argue that the hand was up to brace for contact, also.
The second slide was a violation, cetainly. But is it "dirty?" It's a relative term. For the sake of comparison, this slide is a clear example of dirty. Next to no intent to slide into the bag, and leg whip to the knee.
As for chatting between runners and fielders, that happens all the time. Sean Casey used to be called the Mayor because of how he made it a point to chat up anybody who was standing on first. Seems to be part of gamesmanship more than anything. The MLB rule book does forbid "fraternizing" during a game, but I don't know of an instance where this has actually been enforced. Googling on this subject indicates that there was discussion a few years ago about getting rid of the rule entirely.
Regarding the Ty Cobb is he dirty debate, the picture of him sliding spikes high comes to mind. Mind you, it's been over 100 years since that picture, so it's not as easy to litigate today. I remember reading about how he would drag bunt over a fielder's foot, also.
I know your wife’s about that beach life…
oh, he is definitely fucking with him!
I think it safe to say that when MLB makes reference to prohibiting 'fraternizing' with an opponent in the rule book they aren't trying to prohibit talking and chit chat. Braun is definitely messing with him.
-sw
You'd think the rule never had that definition of fraternization in mind, but this
blog post suggests otherwise. I've seen other mentions online about the rule's original intent likely being related to gambling. The part of the rule that limits fraternization with people in the stands would seem to imply that, anyway.
"I know your wife’s about that beach life…
oh, he is definitely fucking with him!"
Or he wants to fuck his wife. Trump's been known to go after married women, and humiliate their husbands in the process. He's lucky he hasn't been beaten to a pulp yet. He certainly deserves to be punched in the nose.
Trump's miserable sons, Eric and Don, Jr., and Saddam Hussein's wretched sons, Uday and Qusay, had a lot in common. All four were spoilt killers. Two are dead, and two remain to foul up the planet.
The first slide was okay.The second baseman was in the base path and right in Machado's way. The second slide was properly called. Machado did about three things the rule says are no nos. Wasn't a particularly dirty slide, but an illegal one.
Ann your such a homer!
One Trumpit worth ten peepee and twenty Ingas
That was interference on that first play. Period. Dad (Best rules umpire ever in our high school group) and I both screeched when we saw that hand go out there. We knew!
I umpire a lot of baseball. Everybody talks. About everything. Most guys in the major leagues have been seeing and playing against each other since they were 15 odd years old. )
Machado: Hustling is 'not my cup of tea'
Talented guy, but toxic IMHO
I recall on the first slide Machado altered his slide to the left of the base about 15 ft from 2nd base to go after Arcia. It wasn’t noticeable until the camera from directly behind Machado clearly showing him veering to the left. Machado should have been tossed after the second one assuming they had correctly called it the first time (and assuming the rule book allows the umpires to do that).
SO, when's the world series?
Christmas?
I remember when people told me what a great guy Kirby Puckett was. Not the greatest lie of the 20th century, but a lie.
Billy Martin got hundreds of headlines in the NYTimes, almost none of them about what a dirty player and all around slime-ball he was.
Baseball is just a game, played by rich and healthy people, and a lot of the people playing it are complete dirtbags.
And ....
Here is the moral conundrum = there are a lot of nice people, unhealthy, poor people, some of them our friends .... who would be just as much a dirtbag, if rich and healthy, as lonely Kirby and little Billy were, back when they were rich and healthy.
But it is awful to be unhealthy and poor .... and who would wish unhealthiness and poverty on anybody .... and what does anyone deserve, in terms of praise, if they cannot make the effort not to be awful to other people? Either in this world as it is, or in the world they would be luckier in?
Whether they are rich or poor?
The question answers itself, when you think about it.
I now, as an adult, have friends who are friends of pro athletes, and I just simply cannot root for or against any professional team the way I used to be able to, before I knew what I now know.
Similarly, reading "The Lord of the Rings", and its charming prequel, I notice that Bilbo Baggins was the richest hobbit in the Shire, and while I root for him every time I think of him facing challenges, I am more inspired by all the humans I know who, being nowhere near the richest person on their block, much less "the richest hobbit in the Shire", did something nice, on some unremembered day in the recent past, for someone who reminds me of some friend of mine, or for someone who reminds me of one of the dogs or cats with whom I have shared, lo these many years, my humble and sad and uncool little residences in the boring parts of every town or city I have lived in.
"more inspired by" meaning
"yes, their story is better than his story".
By the way, I watched a Brewers game in their third year in Milwaukee. I don't remember the other team. County Stadium, a beautiful summer day. Good luck to the brew crew, and to Bob Eucker and his pals!
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Okay, what Machado did to Aguilar in the 10th inning, that was dirty.
Now that was dirty!
Stephen Cooper said...
Billy Martin got hundreds of headlines in the NYTimes, almost none of them about what a dirty player and all around slime-ball he was.
I know that we must be nice to you, because you are special, but what have you been smoking? Billy Martin's dysfunctions were always The Talk of the Town.
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