Althouse: At the Brewery...

১৭ অক্টোবর, ২০১৮

At the Brewery...

... raise your glass and your game.

১০৬টি মন্তব্য:

Tyrone Slothrop বলেছেন...: Kershaw may be overcoming his personal postseason curse.; ১৭/১০/১৮, ৪:৪৫ PM
Jupiter বলেছেন...: So Althouse. You wanted to know why the woman in St Louis confronted the man she claimed to be worried about. We have have her answer now.

"Now Thornton is speaking out about the debacle, claiming she was following safety instructions from the building’s condo board."

“So when I noticed an individual that I did not know, my only intent was to follow the direction that I had been given by our condo association board members repeatedly — and that is to never allow access to any individual that you do not know.”

https://www.yahoo.com/news/apartment-patty-blocked-black-neighbor-entering-building-defends-actions-164738743.html; ১৭/১০/১৮, ৪:৪৫ PM
Tomcc বলেছেন...: Tyrone: then again, maybe not.; ১৭/১০/১৮, ৫:০০ PM
Ignorance is Bliss বলেছেন...: ...raise your glass and your game.

My game is as high as it goes.; ১৭/১০/১৮, ৫:০১ PM
n.n বলেছেন...: Hop to it.; ১৭/১০/১৮, ৫:০৮ PM
tcrosse বলেছেন...: For all you fans, the front page of today's Las Vegas Review Journal is graced with a big picture of Heidi Fleiss and Ron Jeremy. The years have not been kind to Ron.; ১৭/১০/১৮, ৫:০৮ PM
Jim at বলেছেন...: The years have not been kind to Ron.

The Hedgehog hasn't looked good for quite some time.; ১৭/১০/১৮, ৫:১৫ PM
tcrosse বলেছেন...: The Hedgehog hasn't looked good for quite some time.

It's all those years of Hard work.; ১৭/১০/১৮, ৫:১৭ PM
AllenS বলেছেন...: A couple of games ago, I stated that Yelich was in a mini-slump. I want to amend that statement and state that Yelich is in a slump. If he does not improve today, then he'll be in a major slump. I want to cry.; ১৭/১০/১৮, ৫:১৯ PM
320Busdriver বলেছেন...: On thee bright side, Cain is coming out of his slump; ১৭/১০/১৮, ৫:২১ PM
AllenS বলেছেন...: ... and what about Jesus? If I was him, I'd ask dad for some help.; ১৭/১০/১৮, ৫:৩৪ PM
William বলেছেন...: I would think that the plus side of having dozens of wives and concubines is that you have a large group of children from whom to pick your successor. I hope this current Sadi heir apparent is replaceable. This one looks incompetent. He can't possibly be the pick of the litter. Machiavelli's Prince was calculatedly cruel but not incompetent. If the Prince fucks up a simple assassination this badly, would you trust him managing a large scale desalination project.; ১৭/১০/১৮, ৫:৫৮ PM
Tyrone Slothrop বলেছেন...: I think you could say Yelich is having a major slump. I wonder if guys like him and Kershaw have a sense of carrying the team, and the pressure gets to them. But then, Kersh is doing pretty well today.; ১৭/১০/১৮, ৬:০০ PM
narciso বলেছেন...: so it turns out the fin cen leaker mayflower?? Edwards likely supervisor Thomas ott, worked with bruce ohr at justice, just a coincidence,; ১৭/১০/১৮, ৬:০৫ PM
mccullough বলেছেন...: Kershaw is inconsistent in the post-season. He’s had some great outings (he shut down the Cubs in Game 2 of the NLCS in 2016 at Wrigley; Game 1 of last year WS), some bad outings (like Game 1) and a number of so-so outings.

He’s pitched almost 140 innings in 27 post-season games.; ১৭/১০/১৮, ৬:০৭ PM
narciso বলেছেন...: natalie mayflower sours Edwards, who leaked confidential tax information to a whole host of outlets,; ১৭/১০/১৮, ৬:০৭ PM
mockturtle বলেছেন...: The Dodgers are running away with it, now. Too bad the Brewers couldn't have won last night.

But..go 'Stros!; ১৭/১০/১৮, ৬:৪৬ PM
Guildofcannonballs বলেছেন...: It's relativity vs. relativly.

Relative.

Relativity.

Relatively.

This is JUST LIKE Murkowski.

I saw 50 affirmative votes and thought Yeah!

But others saw some non-vote as something having to do with the 50 that mattered even though it didn't, pudding or any other -wise. I never understood what the difference would have been had she voted yea, as in my (seemingly dim even to me) view that would have meant 51 yea, and the same result as the one we had would have resulted.

Yet people talked about the non-vote like it mattered somehow. If there is a "you gotta win by 2" rule in the Senate, and I am just that ignorant, I could understand there was a certain gap in my knowledge there. If 50-49 is different than 50-48 I think people ought mention, just casually even, what rule makes it so.; ১৭/১০/১৮, ৬:৫৪ PM
Birkel বলেছেন...: That game really got out of control quickly.; ১৭/১০/১৮, ৭:০৫ PM
America’s Politico বলেছেন...: Liz Warren is next POTUS. Trump will lose badly. GOP lose the House in Nov. I learned this by tweets from NYT and WashPost writers.; ১৭/১০/১৮, ৭:১৯ PM
Meade বলেছেন...: I have to give Kershaw his due. He has pitched a good one today. I’m looking forward to Friday at Miller. Lots of good baseball this series.; ১৭/১০/১৮, ৭:২০ PM
Mark বলেছেন...: I want to cry.

There's been a lot of that here. It's embarrassing.

Jimmy Dugan: Are you crying? Are you crying? ARE YOU CRYING? There's no crying! THERE'S NO CRYING IN BASEBALL! ...Rogers Hornsby was my manager, and he called me a talking pile of pigshit. And that was when my parents drove all the way down from Michigan to see me play the game. And did I cry?

Evelyn Gardner: No, no, no.

Jimmy Dugan: Yeah! NO. And do you know why?

Evelyn Gardner: No...

Jimmy Dugan: Because there's no crying in baseball. THERE'S NO CRYING IN BASEBALL! No crying!; ১৭/১০/১৮, ৭:২২ PM
Tyrone Slothrop বলেছেন...: Brewers are a bunch of whiners.; ১৭/১০/১৮, ৭:২৪ PM
Tyrone Slothrop বলেছেন...: Brewers: M-o-o-m! The Dodgers are playing baseball at me!; ১৭/১০/১৮, ৭:২৯ PM
Just asking questions (Jaq) বলেছেন...: I love that google assistant ad. Somebody should make a parody.

“Hey Google, show me what citizen X had for dinner last night.”
“Hey Google, let me know next time citizen Y stops into a shoe store in the mall.”
“Hey Google, if you “accidentally" overhear citizen Z talking about having a baby, tell me when she is driving near a Target.”
“Hey Google.. "; ১৭/১০/১৮, ৭:৩২ PM
Just asking questions (Jaq) বলেছেন...: "Hey Google, where was Ryan Brawn last night at 9 pm?"; ১৭/১০/১৮, ৭:৩৩ PM
Just asking questions (Jaq) বলেছেন...: Of course if they did make such a parody, YouTube would delete it.; ১৭/১০/১৮, ৭:৩৪ PM
নামহীন বলেছেন...: OT The WSJ has a good article on Harvard admissions committee guidelines. It is revealing in the sense of how much work goes into admitting a candidate. Regardless, I think race should not be considered in the admissions process at Harvard or anywhere else
Link.

Splitting the first two games at home really sucks and makes life very difficult in a long series. Both the Brewers and the Sox performed that feat. I hope it doesn't turn out to be fatal.; ১৭/১০/১৮, ৭:৩৫ PM
Bad Lieutenant বলেছেন...: him, I'd ask dad for some help.

10/17/18, 5:34 PM
Blogger William said...
I would think that the plus side of having dozens of wives and concubines is that you have a large group of children from whom to pick your successor. I hope this current Sadi heir apparent is replaceable. This one looks incompetent.

Will, it's a frame up. Count on it. The picture of him in the orange shirt with the girlfriend is a Photoshop. This did not go down as it is being sold. Take it to the bank. Thank God for President Trump!; ১৭/১০/১৮, ৭:৩৫ PM
Meade বলেছেন...: Grandy!; ১৭/১০/১৮, ৭:৩৬ PM
John Pickering বলেছেন...: Go Dodgers.; ১৭/১০/১৮, ৭:৩৯ PM
Bad Lieutenant বলেছেন...: Blogger Rajkumar Raosinhji said...
Liz Warren is next POTUS. Trump will lose badly. GOP lose the House in Nov. I learned this by tweets from NYT and WashPost writers.

10/17/18, 7:19 PM

Okay! Welcome back America's Politico! We missed you!; ১৭/১০/১৮, ৭:৩৯ PM
Guildofcannonballs বলেছেন...: I think the only real conversations incorporate deep stators stating in order to further the derp state, hence reluctance.

Although I am glad it's gibberish, I am certain it's true.

Not like our pal from San Francisco though. He is all but glad, with fevered dreams of fleeing composing his mind's song.

Sir I apologize for any anxiety I wroughted upon your grace, which I've learned from and appreciate not to the great extent others have, for good reason.; ১৭/১০/১৮, ৭:৪১ PM
Just asking questions (Jaq) বলেছেন...: Base hit, then a homer. Come on.; ১৭/১০/১৮, ৭:৪১ PM
Tyrone Slothrop বলেছেন...: এই মন্তব্যটি লেখক দ্বারা সরানো হয়েছে।; ১৭/১০/১৮, ৭:৪২ PM
Meade বলেছেন...: Congratulations to the Dodgers. See you Friday.
And Saturday.; ১৭/১০/১৮, ৭:৪৪ PM
Tyrone Slothrop বলেছেন...: Decisive.; ১৭/১০/১৮, ৭:৪৪ PM
Drago বলেছেন...: William: "I hope this current Sadi heir apparent is replaceable. This one looks incompetent. He can't possibly be the pick of the litter."

Wrong on all counts.

He is by far the most pro-western, pro-reform minded of them all. And its not even close.

He has been central to expanding the alliance between Egypt, Israel, Jordan and Saudi Arabia.

The people who want him gone the most are western leftists, the Turks and the Iranians.

But by all means, go ahead and align with the leftists/Turks/Iranians.; ১৭/১০/১৮, ৭:৪৬ PM
Tyrone Slothrop বলেছেন...: Bad Lieutenant said...

Blogger Rajkumar Raosinhji said...
Liz Warren is next POTUS. Trump will lose badly. GOP lose the House in Nov. I learned this by tweets from NYT and WashPost writers.

Okay! Welcome back America's Politico! We missed you!

At least he isn't selling ED pills.; ১৭/১০/১৮, ৭:৪৭ PM
Just asking questions (Jaq) বলেছেন...: I can't get too upset that a guy who was known to pal around with bin Laden and who was a member of the Muslim Brotherhood met a grisly end. This reeks of a media full court press by somebody behind the curtain. We will never know who and our spy agencies have been converted to political arms of the Democrats, so who knows?; ১৭/১০/১৮, ৭:৪৮ PM
Just asking questions (Jaq) বলেছেন...: The same people screaming the loudest about this one are the people who opposed all efforts to diversify our oil supplies. Opposed them at every turn.; ১৭/১০/১৮, ৭:৫০ PM
Hagar বলেছেন...: It is peculiar that in all the babble about why we do, or do not, need an alliance with the Saudis, no one mentions that one nation that definitely does is Israel (and, of course, the Saudis need Israel equally bad or worse), and that like it or not, politically Israel lies just off the tip of Long Island.

The information about the Khashoggi affair so far seems to be all coming from the Turks and is said to derive from Khashoggi himself recording and broadcasting the proceedings of his alleged murder from his Dick Tracy wristwatch, which none of the alleged 15 Saudi secret service experts carrying out the alleged murder and dismemberment happened to notice.; ১৭/১০/১৮, ৭:৫১ PM
FullMoon বলেছেন...: Would make more sense that Turkey has the place bugged and is using watch story as cover. IF there is actually a recording.; ১৭/১০/১৮, ৮:০৮ PM
Curious George বলেছেন...: "Meade said...
Congratulations to the Dodgers. See you Friday.
And Saturday."

I'm more worried about Friday. Of course if they lose there is no Saturday but if they can win Friday they'll get Kershaw on 3 days rest where he has not excelled. At home.; ১৭/১০/১৮, ৮:১১ PM
narciso বলেছেন...: Now it's curious who were parties to this narrative apparently Prince talal (who kind of keeps a grudge) and Khalid bin Farhan, whose relative is the culture minister (who bought the Salvador mundi) who has been calling out for coups since may.; ১৭/১০/১৮, ৮:১৭ PM
narciso বলেছেন...: He popped up now to say they tried to render him, I'm guessing he would have been gotten too long before Jamal, btw there is no recording, so this saw on whatever river Ankara rests is dubious.; ১৭/১০/১৮, ৮:২১ PM
Meade বলেছেন...: Yep. But I like the Brewers’ chances. Great team from top to bottom. For me, spectating, this has been the most pleasurable baseball season since 1960.; ১৭/১০/১৮, ৮:২১ PM
Pianoman বলেছেন...: @Curious: Heard on the radio today that Buehler would get the start in Game 7. Kershaw would be in the pen, along with Wood and Hill.; ১৭/১০/১৮, ৮:২১ PM
Big Mike বলেছেন...: Liz Warren is next POTUS. Trump will lose badly. GOP lose the House in Nov. I learned this by tweets from NYT and WashPost writers.

I suspect that the Democrat nominee in 2020 will be someone not at this moment on anyone’s radar, who was thinking about Jimmy Carter in 1975, or Bill Vlinton in 1991? My guess is that he or she will be a Democrat governor of a red state. Hickenlooper, maybe, though how red Colorado is is (ahem!) open to speculation. or Roy Cooper of North Carolina. Some red states may get a Democrat governor in 3 weeks, but that would not give them enough time to build a record to run on. (Not that Trump’s predecessor had much of a record, but Donald Trump is not John McCain.); ১৭/১০/১৮, ৮:২৭ PM
Curious George বলেছেন...: "Pianoman said...
@Curious: Heard on the radio today that Buehler would get the start in Game 7. Kershaw would be in the pen, along with Wood and Hill."

Maybe the Dodgers have learned a lesson.; ১৭/১০/১৮, ৮:২৮ PM
Big Mike বলেছেন...: Bill Clinton; ১৭/১০/১৮, ৮:৩০ PM
Hagar বলেছেন...: It may be that there was a murder as described, but it was picked up by Turkish bugs planted into the walls of the Saudi embassy like the Soviets had our new embassy in Moscow bugged back when.
But then should not the Saudis at least have suspected that and chosen some other venue to kill Khashoggi?

If the Turks stick with this story about the Dick Tracy watch, who was Khashoggi supposed to have been broadcasting to? Powered by a watch battery, the signal could not have carried far.

Khashoggi is said to have been Moslem Brotherhood and the "journalist" part being just a cover.
So could he have been working with the Turks? Is it not part of Erdogan's spiel that he is kind of a new Saladin?

You can spin this crap seven ways from Sunday, and it still won't make sense.; ১৭/১০/১৮, ৮:৩৫ PM
PM বলেছেন...: 1. Democrat nominee in 2020 will be Bloomberg. Business sense is back.

2. Lesson Dodgers learned is small ball.; ১৭/১০/১৮, ৮:৩৭ PM
narciso বলেছেন...: This right up there with rape room at Yale university, when does this story fall apart for lack of proof,; ১৭/১০/১৮, ৮:৪৩ PM
Sprezzatura বলেছেন...: "For me, spectating, this has been the most pleasurable baseball season since 1960."

Oh: "spectating."

Thanks for the clarification, because otherwise I would have thought you were talking about when you played as a pro.

Silly man.; ১৭/১০/১৮, ৮:৫৫ PM
Pianoman বলেছেন...: Will they play small ball in Milwaukee? I dunno, they sure love to swing for the fences.; ১৭/১০/১৮, ৮:৫৭ PM
Tank বলেছেন...: Speaking of Race and DNA, Act Scores by Race.

As Sailer says, other than Asians pulling away, "nothing much ever changes in racial average test scores."; ১৭/১০/১৮, ৯:০৫ PM
heyboom বলেছেন...: @Jupiter

I also read at Ace of Spades that the woman is married to a black guy. She's not very good at being a racist if you ask me. /s; ১৭/১০/১৮, ৯:০৬ PM
Jupiter বলেছেন...: tim in vermont said...
"This reeks of a media full court press by somebody behind the curtain."

Have you noticed that lately, everything reeks of a media full court press? They don;t even try to hide it any more. All lies, all the time.; ১৭/১০/১৮, ৯:১১ PM
Meade বলেছেন...: Spectating vs participating. Lurker vs commenter. Or, for you: dry drunk vs all wet lonely insomniac.; ১৭/১০/১৮, ৯:২২ PM
Sprezzatura বলেছেন...: Is a dry drunk like dry humping? Ya know that does get the wet goin'.

Or so I've herd, from not-lonely folks who are doing stuff at night, other than not sleeping when that's the goal.; ১৭/১০/১৮, ৯:৩০ PM
mccullough বলেছেন...: Brewers are in good position. Down 3-2 going home is fine.

The Dodgers are doing a great job pitching to Yelich. They are not giving him anything and are willing to walk him and let someone else beat them. And Yelich isn’t pressing too much. He’s taking his walks and waiting on his pitch.

He’s a very good hitter. The Dodgers pitchers are bound to make a mistake on him.; ১৭/১০/১৮, ৯:৩১ PM
Andrew বলেছেন...: Trump's newest tweet: "Ever since his vicious and totally false statements about Admiral Ron Jackson, the highly respected White House Doctor for Obama, Bush & me, Senator John Tester looks to be in big trouble in the Great State of Montana! He behaved worse than the Democrat Mob did with Justice K!"

I love how Trump picks off his targets. He really does have an instinctive genius. I think the Repubs will have no trouble strengthening their majority in the Senate.; ১৭/১০/১৮, ৯:৩২ PM
iowan2 বলেছেন...: If the Turks stick with this story about the Dick Tracy watch, who was Khashoggi supposed to have been broadcasting to? Powered by a watch battery, the signal could not have carried far.

Today Rush explained that the apple watch, can only communicate with the phone outside the building, in the car with the fiancee, if the guy entered the WiFi password into the watch to get on the Consulate WiFi. He went on to explain that he, being a big techie, was unaware of the capability, for after 2 years of wearing the watch, not many people are aware of the settings.
That would mean the Turks are using that as the way towards plausible deniability as to how they have a recording, if they don't have the building bugged.
For me, I cant see why there were 15? hit men sent to take care of this guy. If the goal was to kill him, a shot in the back of the head while he ate at a restaurant, would be a lot cleaner. The only info we have we are getting from the Turks. Consider the source.; ১৭/১০/১৮, ৯:৩৪ PM
Just asking questions (Jaq) বলেছেন...: It’s one thing for a wife to stand by her spouse, especially when both have long been the targets of partisan warriors dead-set on destroying them. But it is no secret that Mr. Clinton’s response to sexual scandal was to try to trash the reputations of the women involved. And while the degree to which Mrs. Clinton joined in such efforts may remain in dispute — in the CBS interview, she denies having played any role — her fundamental complicity is beyond reasonable doubt. . - New York Times

https://www.nytimes.com/2018/10/17/opinion/hillary-clintons-master-class-in-distraction.html

Wow. They finally catch on that Hillary is a fucking liar.; ১৭/১০/১৮, ৯:৫৮ PM
Jupiter বলেছেন...: heyboom said...
"I also read at Ace of Spades that the woman is married to a black guy. She's not very good at being a racist if you ask me."

I gathered that she is "legally married" to him, but might not be living with him. But I think the important points here are;
a) She was doing exactly what the people who leased her the apartment told her to do.
b) She lives in St Louis, a backwater on the verge of shitholery in MO. There's another in KS.
c) Somehow, this became national news.

Essentially, the MSM liars convicted her of "following instructions while white, in the presence of a Negro". And the "minority-owned" (which is code for massively government-subsidized) real estate company that employed her promptly fired her, for following the instructions of the real estate company she leased her apartment from. This is a typical Left Fascist shitstorm, in what now passes for the USA. I hope she has a GoFundMe (except that GoFundMe will probably cut her off for being a White Supremacist). I hate these people so much I can taste it.; ১৭/১০/১৮, ১০:০১ PM
Curious George বলেছেন...: "mccullough said...
Brewers are in good position. Down 3-2 going home is fine."

It's not fine but not terrible. Teams down 3-2 and going home for games 6 & 7 are slightly under .500.; ১৭/১০/১৮, ১০:০৭ PM
Birkel বলেছেন...: Anybody interested in more info than just polls, check this thread:

https://threadreaderapp.com/thread/1052710045375295488.html

Actually analyzing ballots requested and ballots returned might hold more value than guesses by pollsters.
Give it a shot.; ১৭/১০/১৮, ১০:০৮ PM
Just asking questions (Jaq) বলেছেন...: Win game six and it's Katy bar the door.; ১৭/১০/১৮, ১০:১৩ PM
Just asking questions (Jaq) বলেছেন...: এই মন্তব্যটি লেখক দ্বারা সরানো হয়েছে।; ১৭/১০/১৮, ১০:২৪ PM
Just asking questions (Jaq) বলেছেন...: BTW, that was more than a brushback pitch by the NYT against Hillary, they not only pointed out that she lied in her CBS interview, they linked to the Slate "Slow Burn" article that pretty much convicts Bill Clinton of forcible rape.

http://www.slate.com/articles/podcasts/slow_burn/2018/10/juanita_broaddrick_s_rape_accusation_against_bill_clinton.html

That was chin music, maybe even a bean ball.; ১৭/১০/১৮, ১০:২৫ PM
Bad Lieutenant বলেছেন...: Try this on for size re: l'affaire Khashoggi:

IT'S A FAKE!... Or, the killing is real, the blame is fake.

Here, how's this. Khashoggi left the embassy under his own power. Turks fragged the Saudi cameras so they can't prove it. K stepped into a car with Turkish Gestapo, whatever Erdogan calls them. K thinks they're taking him to hang out at a Turkish resort eating bonbons until MBS is hanged or whatever. Little does K know, he's taking a little trip, but he's going all the way.

They take him to some Turkish jail with a shower and a hook on the ceiling and a well-functioning drain. They string him up, turn on the tape recorder (and the camera, who knows how far they went, maybe they mocked it up like the embassy), and, while reciting their hackneyed lines in Saudi-accented Arabic, go to work with Bobby Bonesaw.

The tape really captures Khashoggi's murder, except it was done by the Turks (or pick your baddie) and not at the embassy at all. The guy who made Valley of the Wolves (the one with Gary Busey as the Jewish-American organ thief!) could have done it, like DeNiro and Hoffman in Wag the Dog.

They either destroy the evidence, or save it in a meat locker to bring out later, depending on the scenario they have gamed out. It's so obvious only the media could miss it. How's that sound?

The photo of him with the fiance is a Photoshop. The story changes with every repetition. There is no there there. And President Trump sees it. Thank God for him!; ১৭/১০/১৮, ১০:২৫ PM
Just asking questions (Jaq) বলেছেন...: The Red Sox Astros game is really something. I wish I could like baseball this much when the stakes are lower.; ১৭/১০/১৮, ১০:২৬ PM
Mike Sylwester বলেছেন...: In my blog about the movie Dirty Dancing, one of my most-read articles (8,935 pageviews) is about the porn star Ron Jeremy. In his autobiography Ron Jeremy: The Hardest Working Man in Showbiz he wrote about his experiences working during his high-school summers at a Catskills resort hotel.

Just like the movie's character Johnny Castle, Jeremy had sex with some of the hotel's older female clients.; ১৭/১০/১৮, ১০:৩৯ PM
FullMoon বলেছেন...: Interesting

Cherokee documents and records we checked (and found NONE of her direct line ancestors) include, but are not limited to:

1. Cherokee Emigration Rolls 1817-1835, Transcribed by Jack D Baker

2. 1835 Cherokee Census, Transcribed by the Trail of Tears Association
3. 1884 Hester Roll of the Eastern Cherokee, Transcribed by Barbara Crumpton
4. Mullay Roll, Transcribed by Barbara Benge
5. Mullay Roll, hand copied transcription by Lulu Boggs, Talbot Library, Colcord OK
6. Siler Roll
7. Cherokee Drennen Roll of 1851, Transcribed by Marybelle W Chase
8. 1869 Cherokee Census, photocopies of provided by Jack D Baker
9. Chapman Roll, published. (Copies from Oklahoma Historical Society)
10. Only The Names Remain, by Sandi Garrett, Five Vols.
11. Cherokee Old Settlers by David Keith Hampton (1852 and 1896 payroll)
12. 1867 Swetland Roll transcribed by Barbara Benge
13. 1880 Cherokee Census, Transcribed by Barbara Benge
14. 1890 Cherokee Census, Transcribed by Barbara Benge
15. The Intruders, The Illegal Residents of the Cherokee Nation 1866-1907 by Nancy Hope Sober
16. The Moravian Springplace Mission To The Cherokee Nation, Rowena McClinton, Two Vols.
17. Old Cherokee Familes by Emmet Starr
18. Old Cherokee Families, Notes of Dr. Emmet Starr, Jack D Baker and David Keith Hampton.
19. Chronicles of Oklahoma, Oklahoma State University Database
20. Index Chronicles of Oklahoma” Vol 2 and Vol 3, Okahoma Historical Society
21. Indian Pioneer History Papers, Western History, University of Oklahoma
22. Index to the Eastern Cherokee Application, CD
23. Eastern Cherokee Applications, Fold3.com
24. Index to Dawes, online
25. Dawes Card and Packets, Fold3.com
26. River Trail by Jane B Noble
27. Cherokee By Blood by Jerry Wright Jordon, 9 vols.
28. Abstracts of Eastern Cherokee Applications.
29. Indians and Intruders, Sharron Standifer Ashton, 5 Vols.
30. Cherokee Nation Papers Inventory and Index”, revised and edited by Kristina L Southwell
31. Records of the Cherokee Agency in Tennessee 1810-1835, Transcribed by Marybelle W Chase.
32. The Journal of Rev. Daniel S Butrick May 19, 1838 – April 2, 1839, Trail of Tears Association.
33. Southeastern Native American Documents, University of Georgia (Galileo)
34. Those Who Cried, The 16,000, arranged, edited and indexed by James W. Tyner, 1974
35. Cherokee Claims for Transportation and Subsistence Special File 154, Vol. 1, compiled by Dawn C. Stricklin
36. Cherokee Planters in Georgia 1832 – 1838 by Don L. Shadburn
37. The Payne – Butrick Papers Vols 1 – 6, edited and annotated by William L. Anderson
38. History of the Cherokee Indians by Emmet Starr
39. Trail of Tears muster rolls, ration lists
40. War of 1812 Cherokee muster rolls
41. Cherokee Roots by Bob Blankenship 2 Vols
42. Who Was Who Among the Southern Indians - A Genealogical Notebook 1698-1907 complied by Don Martini
43. Guide to Manuscripts in the Western History Collections of the University of Oklahoma
compiled by Kristina L Southwell
44. Index to 1896 Cherokee Citizenship Applications
45. 1842 Cherokee Claims, Marybelle Chase (multiple volumes); ১৭/১০/১৮, ১০:৪৭ PM
Mike Sylwester বলেছেন...: Birkel at 10:08 PM
Anybody interested in more info than just polls, check this thread .... Actually analyzing ballots requested and ballots returned might hold more value than guesses by pollsters.

Thanks a lot for that link.

Now I am feeling even more optimistic about the Republicans winning big in the midterm elections.; ১৭/১০/১৮, ১০:৪৯ PM
Mike Sylwester বলেছেন...: Bad Lieutenant at 10:25 PM
Turks fragged the Saudi cameras so they can't prove it

What does fragged mean?

Who are they?; ১৭/১০/১৮, ১০:৫৪ PM
California Snow বলেছেন...: Way to go Dodgers!!!; ১৭/১০/১৮, ১১:৩৭ PM
J. Farmer বলেছেন...: A few thoughts on l'affaire Khashoggi:

The most likely outcome at this point is that the Saudis end up taking some level of culpability while doing whatever they can not to implicate MBS. They are probably aware of the existence of enough evidence to implicate them to some degree. But obviously Turkish evidence obtained from the consulate will say nothing about why the murder occurred, only that it did occur. Saudi Arabia is a sovereign country. Whatever its involvement, that is not going to be determined by outside neutral investigators. It will be an internal investigation.

The consulate is Saudi territory. If it had evidence that its cameras had been interfered with, it would be beneficial to release it. Hours before the Saudis finally made good on their promise to allow inspectors into the consulate, a large cleaning crew arrived. This was documented by press on the ground. Not necessarily proof of a Saudi murder but very suspicious nonetheless.

Khashoggi's Muslim Brotherhood affiliation is mostly a sideshow. His role with the Brotherhood has been known for decades, and he has worked closely that regime during that same time. There is no evidence that Khashoggi advocates a radical jihadi approach. His primary association with militancy was working on behalf of the Saudis to advance their interests of supporting Afghanistan against the Soviet Union. Official US and American policy during that time was to support revolutionary Islamist fighters against both the Soviet Union and internal secularists with sympathies towards communists regimes. Once the war against the Soviets was won the movement between those who believed it was time to return home and return to domestic politics, others (e.g. bin Laden) believed that the victory against the Soviets was just the first front in a battle for the Muslim world that involved engaging in violent jihad against the forces that prevented the establishment of Islamic states on the model of the Taliban. These targets included the Gulf monarchies, Iran, and the United States. The reality of the Arab world is that given self-determination, the people will elect governments that are largely Islamic in their nature. See Iraq for a recent example. The same occurred in Egypt. The Iraqi Islamic Party is an explicit branch of the Muslim Brotherhood international and it was in al-Maliki and al-Abadi governments.

These countries do not pose a threat to American national security and how they want to arrange their internal affairs is their business. Incessant US intervention in the affairs of the Middle East have been completely counterproductive over successive administrations. The threat from Islamic terrorism is wildly overblown, and it is a waste of resources to try to get involved in regional rivalries on one side or the other. Russia and China each have stable diplomatic and commercial relations with Israel, the Palestinian Authority, Syria, Saudi Arabia, and Iran. There is no reason we cannot have the same thing.; ১৮/১০/১৮, ১২:০৪ AM
narciso বলেছেন...: Or maybe it didn't, so the Sauds are evil because they are corrupt but the Moslem brotherhood which is the political arm of militant sunnism is nothing to be concerned with, or something. Which press the Turkish press or their western mouthpieces.; ১৮/১০/১৮, ১২:১৩ AM
Gahrie বলেছেন...: What does fragged mean?

In this instance "rendered inoperative". Originally it referred to rolling live fragmentation grenades into the tent of a gung ho officer who was likely to get you killed in Vietnam.; ১৮/১০/১৮, ১২:২০ AM
narciso বলেছেন...: Well that would look very suspicious a degauzinv or other scrambling mechanism.; ১৮/১০/১৮, ১২:৩৭ AM
J. Farmer বলেছেন...: @narciso:

so the Sauds are evil because they are corrupt but the Moslem brotherhood which is the political arm of militant sunnism is nothing to be concerned with, or something. Which press the Turkish press or their western mouthpieces.

What are the significant doctrinal differences between the Muslim Brotherhood and the salafism practiced in Saudi Arabia and supported by the government?

In terms of American national security interests, the Muslim Brotherhood is not "nothing to be concerned with." Nothing may be an overstatement but only by a little.; ১৮/১০/১৮, ১২:৪৭ AM
Leland বলেছেন...: Astros need to rally, and not fall flat as they did game 4 9th inning.; ১৮/১০/১৮, ২:২৫ AM
The Crack Emcee বলেছেন...: tim in vermont said...

"It’s one thing for a wife to stand by her spouse, especially when both have long been the targets of partisan warriors dead-set on destroying them. But it is no secret that Mr. Clinton’s response to sexual scandal was to try to trash the reputations of the women involved. And while the degree to which Mrs. Clinton joined in such efforts may remain in dispute — in the CBS interview, she denies having played any role — her fundamental complicity is beyond reasonable doubt. . - New York Times"

This is even more unseemly. If anyone's got dirt on Bill - and there is - then go get Bill. But the idea of inserting themselves into the Clinton marriage is sinister, and reveals their attackers as no better than they are.; ১৮/১০/১৮, ৩:৩৩ AM
gadfly বলেছেন...: J. Farmer said...

What are the significant doctrinal differences between the Muslim Brotherhood and the salafism practiced in Saudi Arabia and supported by the government?

Last time I checked, the Saudi Royals practiced the Wahabi form of Sunni Islam - not Salafism.
As a matter of conjecture, the first actions taken by MBS when the Saudi King gave him the reigns was to arrest Salafi clerics believed to somehow be in cahoots with Shiite muslims.; ১৮/১০/১৮, ৪:১৪ AM
Bad Lieutenant বলেছেন...: Gahrie said...
What does fragged mean?

In this instance "rendered inoperative". Originally it referred to rolling live fragmentation grenades into the tent of a gung ho officer who was likely to get you killed in Vietnam.

10/18/18, 12:20 AM

Just so, thx Gahrie. I should perhaps have said "hacked," then everyone would have got it. "Futzed" would have been really dated ;)

Mike Sylwester, in this case "they" is the Saudis, somebody did a Mission Impossible exploit/defeat on the Saudi-controlled cameras (or the feed or the recorders) so that the proof of Saudi innocence, K leaving alive and unharmed, is unavailable to them, the Saudis. (The Turks' CCTV feeds obviously show whatever they want.)

It could have been as simple as unplugging it or putting the lens cap on or they could have created a video loop to make it appear that all was normal.

If you consider that beyond Turkish National Technical means, perhaps that means they had help from a superior technical culture, such as the Russians, possibly the Iranians.

The travel of the so-called "hit squad" could be coincidental, could have been known ahead of time and thus been a factor in the conspiracy planning, or could have been provoked somehow, eg "Free Goat and Camel Ice Cream Day" or some security provocation they were triggered to respond to.

Where is the proof of them entering and exiting the building with body parts? Any evidence of guilty or agitated demeanor on their parts? Bad Expressions on their faces? Or cheerful ones for the sadists among them?

Where's the Luminol, the DNA evidence? Would paint really hide that? If they didn't find a blood trail at the consulate are they really going to find one at the consul's house? Really? The consul's house? They don't have a safe house somewhere to do that kind of dirty work? I mean, butchery? Do they have a torture room setup, a well-found janitor's closet?

So what if there was a last-minute cleaning crew? Perhaps the Saudis were doing coke deals. That's not what this Scandal is about. If they got nothing, they got nothing.

If the Saudis worked clean and there is no proof, then they get away with it. Habeas corpus. Show me the body. Imagine the Russians, absent some proof of guilt in such a case, being demanded to prove innocence. I don't think anyone went to jail for Judge Crater, either.

And if they did work that clean, but set this up so as to frame themselves in a locked room mystery Style, who led the hit, David Copperfield? If they were good enough to defeat a forensics team, would they really have been stupid enough do dismemberment in the consul's office? Why would that have been necessary?

My hypothesis is perfect. Even if not true the Saudis could adopt it. But it rings true. They would have had to be really really stupid to arrange things as the Turks are selling it. Whereas I believe the Turks are stupid, or at least blatant and unsubtle, and relying on complicit media and the number of enemies the Saudi regime has.

narciso said...
Well that would look very suspicious a degauzinv or other scrambling mechanism.

10/18/18, 12:37 AM

Could have interrupted the power, anything. A blank space where he exited alive could be interpreted by the Turks and the media as guilty parties leaving with body parts. Do you think it would be beyond the abilities of CIA or Mossad? Beyond GRU or FSB? Perhaps the security company was hacked or someone there was bribed. You just have to look hard enough.; ১৮/১০/১৮, ৬:২৩ AM
exhelodrvr1 বলেছেন...: According to this study, 3.5 M more registered voters than those eligible to vote
https://lidblog.com/voter-fraud-more-registered-voters/

Didn't Hillary "win the popular vote" by about that much? Just sayin' ...; ১৮/১০/১৮, ৬:৩০ AM
Darrell বলেছেন...: Didn't Hillary "win the popular vote" by about that much? Just sayin' ...

Our Lefties tell us that there were no illegal votes. Not one. Zip. Zero evidence.; ১৮/১০/১৮, ৬:৪৯ AM
Just asking questions (Jaq) বলেছেন...: The Astros rallied and got beat by a fantastic catch. I don't know how anyone could criticize either team.; ১৮/১০/১৮, ৬:৫৪ AM
Bad Lieutenant বলেছেন...: Darrell said...
Didn't Hillary "win the popular vote" by about that much? Just sayin' ...

Our Lefties tell us that there were no illegal votes. Not one. Zip. Zero evidence.

10/18/18, 6:49 AM

and if there's no evidence...IT DIDN'T HAPPEN!

Oh wait, let me get my tape recorder, chickelit, help me out here with the Democrat vote-buyer voices. That'll work, yeh, WaPo?; ১৮/১০/১৮, ৭:০০ AM
Bad Lieutenant বলেছেন...: Today Rush explained that the apple watch, can only communicate with the phone outside the building, in the car with the fiancee, if the guy entered the WiFi password into the watch to get on the Consulate WiFi.

Riddle me this, can the watch and phone so Wi-Fi peer-to-peer?

Even if they could, though, the range is extreme, and the building is likely tempested. Though Rhhardin will tell us blocking inbound is one thing, outbound another. Still, I'd trust the Saudis to hire the proper Western security consultants.; ১৮/১০/১৮, ৭:০৬ AM
narciso বলেছেন...: Wahhabism is a branch of the hambali school, salafisn is a 13th century phenomenon; ১৮/১০/১৮, ৭:৫৫ AM
J. Farmer বলেছেন...: @gadfly:

Last time I checked, the Saudi Royals practiced the Wahabi form of Sunni Islam - not Salafism.

"THE STUDY of modern Salafism will not be complete without looking into Wahhabism – a reference to the teachings of Muhammad Ibn Abd al-Wahhab and its relation to Salafism. In the current discourse on Islam, the term “Salafi” and “Wahhabi” are often used interchangeably. Many confuse the two while others refer to them as one.

Wahhabi is a label given to those who follow the teachings of Muhammad Ibn Abd al-Wahhab. The Wahhabis are always referred to as Salafis, and in fact they prefer to be called as such. As a rule, all Wahhabis are Salafis but not all Salafis are Wahhabis. The term Salafism did not become associated with the Wahhabi creed until the 1970s. It was in the early 20th century that the Wahhabis referred to themselves as Salafis."
-Salafis and Wahhabis; ১৮/১০/১৮, ৮:১৯ AM
J. Farmer বলেছেন...: @narciso:

Wahhabism is a branch of the hambali school, salafisn is a 13th century phenomenon

Wahhabism and Salafism both have foundations in the Hanbali school. Also, that was not the question. I asked you, "What are the significant doctrinal differences between the Muslim Brotherhood and the salafism practiced in Saudi Arabia and supported by the government?"; ১৮/১০/১৮, ৮:২২ AM
mockturtle বলেছেন...: Tim in Vermont observes: The Astros rallied and got beat by a fantastic catch. I don't know how anyone could criticize either team.

And if Correa had kept his foot on the bag to complete that inning-ending double play, the outcome could have been different.

It's nice to see playoffs with evenly matched teams. Great series!; ১৮/১০/১৮, ৯:১৩ AM
Bruce Hayden বলেছেন...: The Saudi Crown Prince:

"He is by far the most pro-western, pro-reform minded of them all. And its not even close.

He has been central to expanding the alliance between Egypt, Israel, Jordan and Saudi Arabia.

The people who want him gone the most are western leftists, the Turks and the Iranians."

The whole thing is too well orchestrated,which says to me that there is someone behind the leftists driving this, just as when things in this country look that well orchestrated, we usually find Soros money and organizations behind it.

How the Turks supposedly got the supposed recording of the alleged murder is not really credible. As I understand it, these smart watches are slaves to their controlling phone (or maybe pad). They mostly communicate using low power, short distance communications like Bluetooth. We all pretty much understand by now the limitations of Bluetooth. It is a virtual certainty that the watch wasn't talking to the phone at the distances involved, esp through the consulate walls. Walls that are typically made radio proof for security reasons. The other alternative is to tie into a a WiFi network, at the consulate. Apparently, it can be done, but with Apple's watch, at least, it apparently requires using an obscure app that accepts hand written characters, and converts them to text, to specify the WiFi password. Given how many times I have had to retype this comment on an iPad, I doubt that that was a credible alternative. And that assumes that there is public WiFi in a consulate or embassy. Which is unlikely because that would make it much easier for people to get the consulate and embassy classified (or equivalent) information out of there. And the Turks actually violating the security of the Saudi consulate would be a major diplomatic incident, all by itself.; ১৮/১০/১৮, ৯:১৪ AM
Robert Cook বলেছেন...: "Where is the proof of them entering and exiting the building with body parts? Any evidence of guilty or agitated demeanor on their parts? Bad Expressions on their faces? Or cheerful ones for the sadists among them?"

What makes you think a professional hit squad would show evidence of guilt, agitation, or pleasure? They're professionals, and killing is their job. Another day at the office.

As for body parts, how difficult do you think it is to conceal body parts for discreet transport?; ১৮/১০/১৮, ৯:২৮ AM
Robert Cook বলেছেন...: "These countries do not pose a threat to American national security and how they want to arrange their internal affairs is their business. Incessant US intervention in the affairs of the Middle East have been completely counterproductive over successive administrations. The threat from Islamic terrorism is wildly overblown, and it is a waste of resources to try to get involved in regional rivalries on one side or the other. Russia and China each have stable diplomatic and commercial relations with Israel, the Palestinian Authority, Syria, Saudi Arabia, and Iran. There is no reason we cannot have the same thing."

Sure there is...we are the ravenous, self-seeking assholes of the world.; ১৮/১০/১৮, ৯:৩৫ AM
Bruce Hayden বলেছেন...: "Riddle me this, can the watch and phone so Wi-Fi peer-to-peer?

Even if they could, though, the range is extreme, and the building is likely tempested. Though Rhhardin will tell us blocking inbound is one thing, outbound another. Still, I'd trust the Saudis to hire the proper Western security consultants."

Doesn't matter if inbound is blocked better or worse than outbound. Both WiFi and Bluetooth require two way commications. Both use throttling of some sort, which means essentially that they need acknowledgments coming in the opposite direction to continue. So, say that they are more radio permeable outbound. That just means that a couple packets would go out, and then the communications would stall awaiting an acknowledgment that can't get back inside.

And even if watches and phones could communicate over WiFi, those communications probably couldn't get through the conulate's firewall. One of the first things that you would do setting up public WiFi in such a situation is restrict which logical ports can be utilized, and which cannot - such as maybe HTTP and not email or text messaging.

And, yes, the Saudis have a reputation of hiring the best security that money can buy. If anything, I would expect their security to be better than Turkish security, given the differences between the two countries in terms of money.; ১৮/১০/১৮, ৯:৩৯ AM
Robert Cook বলেছেন...: "So Althouse. You wanted to know why the woman in St Louis confronted the man she claimed to be worried about. We have have her answer now.

'Now Thornton is speaking out about the debacle, claiming she was following safety instructions from the building’s condo board.'

'"So when I noticed an individual that I did not know, my only intent was to follow the direction that I had been given by our condo association board members repeatedly — and that is to never allow access to any individual that you do not know."'

Why did she still go to her apartment and call the police after she witnessed the man she didn't know open the door and enter his own apartment? Did she think he somehow had obtained a fake key and was openly entering a stranger's apartment to burgle it or do worse inside? That's were her adherence to condo policy stepped over the line into offensive and malicious behavior.; ১৮/১০/১৮, ৯:৫৮ AM
Bruce Hayden বলেছেন...: Let us assume for just a minute that the Turks really were able to breach Saudi security at their embassy or consulate. Obviously, this would be a diplomatic incident, except that pushing that aspect would essentially acknowledge that the guy had been murdered there in the consulate. But the Saudis couldn't afford to ignore the security breach that allowed the Turks to (supposedly) record the murder. And that would very likely mean security teams, mostly probably including foreigner technicians, visiting the Turkish consulate, and probably their embassies and consulates around the world. This would likely be noticed by spy agencies around the world, and publicized by those who aren't close allies - and esp the Turks here. Which does not appear to have happened. Very possibly the dog that didn't bark.; ১৮/১০/১৮, ১০:০২ AM
Hagar বলেছেন...: Thee is not anything that makes sense about this story, and the reporting is indeed much too orchestrated.; ১৮/১০/১৮, ১১:২১ AM
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Jim at বলেছেন...: but if they can win Friday they'll get Kershaw on 3 days rest where he has not excelled. At home.

It'll be Buehler and/or Hill if there's a Game Seven.; ১৮/১০/১৮, ১:৫৮ PM
Robert Cook বলেছেন...: "Let us assume for just a minute that the Turks really were able to breach Saudi security at their embassy or consulate."

What does this mean?; ১৮/১০/১৮, ৩:৫৬ PM