"Donald Trump Jr. has taken his new girlfriend Kimberly Guilfoyle to her first official White House event on the Fourth of July. Don and Kimberly have been dating since late March, around the time Trump Jr. and wife Vanessa, 40, announced their split. They have since made a number of public appearances together..."
The Daily Mail says, with lots of pictures.
Junior is not even divorced yet. He and his wife have 5 children.
He should be more discreet. Which, I know, obviously doesn't sound like a Trump concept.
I like to read the most-disliked comments at The Daily Mail. In this case: "I think they are a perfect couple! His soon to be ex wife seems stuck up and probably a liberal elitist," "Cutest. Couple. Ever," "They look cute together. It's working for them right now, and that's what matters."
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152 comments:
Too much makeup. He's going to regret it.
Bill Clinton had a different way of trading up.
Bill Clinton was super cool.
Cigars.
Warning: She is way smarter than him.
In fairness to Jr., this is what his Dad did. Couldn’t have been easy to be a 16 year old reading about your dad stepping out on your mom. He’s a weak minded guy. Ivanka is the strong one.
Too late. The liberals' destruction of social norms since the '70s makes it a little late in the day to apply them now.
And get rid of the lavender shirt. WTF. Junior is a clown. He’s the Billy Carter of this administration.
i didn't know brunettes were allowed in The Family.
I wonder if she can shoot the rifle she has in the pose they have hunting/fishing.
Those are awfully long barrels for the calibers the guns are chambered for.
Jumping straight from Aztec philosophy to the ever-delectable Kimberly Guilfoyle!
Oh, Althouse, you never disappoint!
She looks overcooked.
This sort of reminds me of high school ...
... and Hollywood.
I watch Kimberly Guilfoyle on The Five a lot. She seems really nice.
It is unseemly, but he has to move on at some point- so when would it be appropriate? After a divorce?
I thought that it must be a different Kimberly Guilfoyle.
However, it is that Kimberly Guilfoyle.
*shrug*
They're separated. And the wife doesn't seem upset by this.
Is the problem that he's dating, or that he's not lying about it -- in an era where lying about it would catapult the paparazzi shots to the front pages of every tabloid in the nation?
Yes. You wait until after you are divorced. If your spouse dies, you wait a year. Show some respect for your kids.
I found it amusing that from the article, we know Vanessa Trump's age, Guilfoyle's age, but not Trump Jr.'s. In any case, I didn't know Ms. Guilfoyle was 49.
She is good looking and old enough not to get pregnant so I see the attraction on his part but both of them are being foolish for different reasons. This probably isn't a relationship that is going to last very long and she will probably lose her gig at Fox over this. He isn't going to look too good in divorce court, for his sake I hope his prenuptial wasn't drawn by Micheal Cohen.
As I recall from reading tabloids in my grocery store, Donald Trump, Jr., was the dumpee and his wife was the dumper.
If that is true, then he may begin dating other women rather soon, in my opinion.
They’re both high profile. There’s no discretion. NYTWaPo will out them and then it looks like they are sneaking around and looking guilty. Out and proud is the best option.
She's beginning to get that "plasticy" look in her face. Gonna be tough to stay ahead of that curve. It saddens me when beautiful women don't allow themselves the dignity of ageing gracefully and end up looking like clowns.. its TV I suppose.
Maybe she is getting a bit of revenge for Gavin Newsome fooling around on her.
It's a bit tacky.
Agree with M.Sylwester. If he is the dumpee ok to date quickly. I find it funny that Guilfoyle is 49, Jr is 40 and step-mom Melania is 48.
Your divorce is going to fuck with your kids no matter how long you wait.
"It's a bit tacky"
That sums it up. With Trump, the tendency is to focus on his tweets, his tone, his temperament, his family, his son's new girlfriend -- almost anything but his policy enactments.
Do I really care who junior is dating or whether his marriage is faltering?
Not much.
Known Unknown said...
She looks overcooked.
She is 49.
Mike Sylwester said...
I thought that it must be a different Kimberly Guilfoyle.
However, it is that Kimberly Guilfoyle.
Indeed.
The whole "bitter clinger" thing is starting to take on a new meaning.
I think everyone is starting to notice who is "bitter" and who is "clinging."
Also, a divorce with 5 kids sounds horrific. Who's gonna be a stepfather to that brood?
But then I pause. Money cures a lot of problems. Young Don probably has at least $50 or $60 Million to his name, much more coming when his father passes. They can hire a buncha nannies and tutors and have all sorts of splendid summer vacations.
Not.worthy.of.concern.
and she will probably lose her gig at Fox over this.
Unlikely. It has nothing to do with her work as a commentary provider. And was disclosed, inline the NYT whore who screwed old guys in government to get secrets for her "scoops" lying about the Trump admin. But then Ali Watkins was just "reassigned" and not fired for sleeping with sources.
Junior is not even divorced yet.
and?
He and his wife have 5 children.
So?
At least she's not party-restrictive, having been married to Gavin Newsom. But she does wear more make-up than Kukla.
One of the best gifts parents can give kids is a stable marriage.
State marriages are unconstitutional. They discriminate and force financial support from citizens who do not support the welfare and tax scheme.
There is no way to opt-out.
State marriages are the last vestiges of the British colony that we took independence from. A Kings folly.
So there.
...a stable marriage
Nay, A religious marriage.
Marriage outside of religion is fornication. You might as well just smoke heroin. You aren't going to heaven.
Allah Akbar!
A stable marriage to their real mother.
One marriage, one wife, one husband -- it all reduces confusion and increases stability for kids.
Vanessa Trump
Verified account @MrsVanessaTrump
Jun 14
Vanessa Trump Retweeted Donald Trump Jr.
The lengths people will go to attack a woman simply because she’s dating Don. We’ve been separated for over 9 months and respect each other’s decisions & privacy. We’ll focus on raising our great kids.Would be nice if the press did the same rather than obsess over our pvt lives!
Vanessa Trump added,
Donald Trump Jr.
Verified account @DonaldJTrumpJr
Liberal privilege at its finest: Absurd Call For Fox News to Fire Kimberly Guilfoyle Over Don Jr. Romance Ignores History of Media-Politics Relations https://www.mediaite.com/online/absurd-call-for-fox-news-to-fire-kimberly-guilfoyle-over-don-jr-romance-ignores-history-of-media-politics-relations/ … via @mediaite
Any photos of him drinking from a straw?
steve uhr: "i didn't know brunettes were allowed in The Family."
We'll just add that to the ever expanding list of things you don't know.
However, as always, it's what you "know" that is not true that is much more problematic than that which you do not know.
The Trump sons are not attractive. They look terribly unnatural. I can't quite put my finger on what it is that looks bad other than they both wear that nasty slicked-back hair style. There is more though.
Kimberly was once married to Gavin Newsom, so she seems to go for that look.
Neither impress me much, but she sure can sport heels like a champ!
Wiped..with a cloth.
"One of the best gifts parents can give kids is a stable marriage."
Especially one like Robert Kennedy where the kids were raised by nannies while Ethel slept all day or was on vacation.
I agree with you but the rich are different.
Have you rad about the Skakel household were there were no nannies ?
I couldn't agree with you more....very creepy...too early.
The wife's words struck me as REALLY odd, too...how many almost-exes post giving a blessing to her husband's new relationship? UGH. What did THAT cost?
Not to worry.
Bob Mueller and his team are no doubt poring over Guilfoyle's electronic records as we speak.
Althouse suggested we celebrate good commenters in her moderation thread.
I celebrate Steve Uhr as a commenter! You have fun & interesting things to say.
Kimberly Guilfoyle might become Barron Trump's sister-in-law.
There's an unusually big age difference.
Michael K said...
""One of the best gifts parents can give kids is a stable marriage."
Especially one like Robert Kennedy where the kids were raised by nannies while Ethel slept all day or was on vacation.
I agree with you but the rich are different."
Did I ever tell you guys I was in the hospital with Ethel Kennedy? No?
Well, my Dad's family settled with other Lithuanians in New Britain, CT when they got off Ellis Island. Many many years later, Dad took us on vacation to Cape Cod.
Back then, ant poison was a sickly sweet liquid in a metal bottle. Apparently, I found the bottle under the sink and drank it. They took me to Cape Cod's hospital to have my stomach pumped, but we had to wait quite a while because they only had one pump back then and they were using it on Ethel Kennedy.
Obviously I survived, not sure about poor Ethel.
I don't want to promote Steve Uhr as a commenter, so I won't mention him again in this thread.
This is a slap in the face of every middle aged (and older) single and married woman: you can be replaced...and sometimes quickly.
They don't like that message. No wonder the readership (middle aged women) of newspapers are so aghast.
Here are the new rules: if you dump the other person, they don't need to give any regard to your feel feelz. And if you divorce the dad, you lose any high ground about 'thinking the kids are more important' unless he is violent or an addict...WITH pictures. A woman's word is no good anymore without proof in Divorceland.
An attractive man asked an attractive woman to accompany him to fireworks.
I know, I know. Trumpians are supposed to curl up in a ball and cry copiously when bad things happen to them.
This, Ms. Althouse, is civility bullshit.
The perfect couple, they deserve each other.❤️
Mike said...
and she will probably lose her gig at Fox over this.
Unlikely. It has nothing to do with her work as a commentary provider"
While I agree with you in principle, see Walter's comment. I don't know what her net worth is but I doubt she can afford to retire at this time.
I’ve never much liked Guilfoyle.
"He should be more discreet. Which, I know, obviously doesn't sound like a Trump concept."
Agree with the discreet part. Also agree such action is not a Trump concept, but would note that discretion in such things is not a 2018 concept either. Been a long time since it was.
-sw
Schmuck.
I don't know what her net worth is but I doubt she can afford to retire at this time.
It's probably substantial as Gordon Getty, Newsome's sugar daddy, probably paid her to go away and keep quiet.
Newsome had more important fish to fry. Like destroying California.
That's a wonderful Kennedy story, Annie. I'm stealing it without attribution.
Etienne said...
State marriages are unconstitutional. They discriminate and force financial support from citizens who do not support the welfare and tax scheme."
Son, a civil marriage is a prenuptial on the State's terms. If you want to eliminate the State's terms, fine, but then you would have the contractual marriage terms of whatever confession the marriage is held under which would necessitate they be upheld by the civil courts. Atheists who have a civil commitment presumably would be subject to civil contractual obligations. And single mothers and deadbeat dads would still be a burden to the taxpayers.
She's like the "two faced" character on Seinfeld.
Feel free rehajm. It truly happened.
Somebody should get to enjoy it!
I think that you've not thought this through, Professor Althouse.
Do you really think it would be possible for a Trump to actually be discreet in this scenario? I mean, he may try to be, but the paparazzi and the rest of the wonderful media is going to be all over it anyway. In fact, they're likely to be more aggressive if he tries to be discreet. In practice, the only way a Trump could be discreet in this scenario would be to not date at all. Which might be a good idea, but that's a totally different thing.
I'd say by allowing himself to be photographed in public and not hiding things that he's de-fanging the media as much as possible.
Blogger Mike Sylwester said...
Kimberly Guilfoyle might become Barron Trump's sister-in-law.
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Thread winner!
"They don't like that message. No wonder the readership (middle aged women) of newspapers are so aghast."
Especially when he takes up with a chick older than they are.
Shortly before the break up, an envelope with "white powder" was delivered to Mrs.Trump Jr. She opened it and had to go to the hospital. I sometimes wonder if the bust up was over the hate and danger she was subjected to as a Trump and worry for her children's safety. The girlfriend being a public figure seen publicly, might be a relief to Vanessa has it would draw the hate away
I love KG. She is a real conservative not a phony Fox News Bushie conservative like Dana Perino.
"Yes. You wait until after you are divorced. If your spouse dies, you wait a year. Show some respect for your kids."
This...and also: she is a 'reporter' for a major cable news company. She should not be in any position to report on the administration, the policies, the president...etc. Her personal relationship with the president's son should disqualify her(a self-disqualification, to be sure) from any coverage.
He, like his father before him, has no filter that helps guide him through a very public life.
To be fair, Jr isn't running for President himself, and his wife doesn't have a terminal case of brain cancer. Still, the new couple deserve each other. I hope their relationship is as wonderful as Brad and Angelina's.
Kimberly is a compassionate woman with high intelligence. Eric needs that more than he knows. He better put a ring on her finger before she is snatched up.
"She should not be in any position to report on the administration, the policies, the president...etc"
Did you feel that way about James Carville?
They're just looking for clicks.
”He better put a ring on her finger before she is snatched up.”
She does have a history of that.
Over July 4 I watched 1960 film, From the Terrace, based on a John O'Hara novel of a couple years previous. Interested because it starred Paul Newman and his wife Joanne Woodward as couple, but I had never heard of it.
Boy, upper class WASP view on divorce much different back then.
traditionalguy said...Kimberly is a compassionate woman with high intelligence. Eric needs that more than he knows.
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He should wait his turn.
Deny individual dignity. Debase human life. Political congruence.
#NoJudgment. Social progress.
"Did you feel that way about James Carville?"
You'll have to explain that. I thought Carville was a simple country political hound dog for Clinton (Bill, that is). I understand he's also, like Guilfoyle, a commentator but so what?
She offers political commentary for a living. Much of said commentary regards her new boyfriend's father, POTUS. Conflict of interest. I'm not saying the lefty media(I'm looking at you, Stephanopolous) isn't a steaming pile of ex politicos masquerading as 'journalists' but, appearances matter. Or at least, they once did.
Someone needs to ask Bill Clinton, rapist, and his wife, Hillary, what they think of this behavior.
Let's check in with John Edwards. See what he thinks about it all.
It's Joe and Mika who are the authorities on this..
"and also: she is a 'reporter' for a major cable news company. "
She has never been a "reporter". She is an attorney who built a TV career based upon her experience as a prosecuting attorney (in CA), her political background and her Hispanic background. She never comments on Newsom (shares custody I believe).
"She has never been a "reporter". She is an attorney who built a TV career based upon her experience as a prosecuting attorney (in CA), her political background and her Hispanic background. She never comments on Newsom (shares custody I believe)."
Guilfoyle is Hispanic?
Guilfoyle is Hispanic?
Her farther was Irish and her mother was Puerto Rican.
I thought I had read that Vanessa had initiated the divorce proceedings because she didn’t enjoy the spotlight and the threats against her and her children from deranged Lefties (see the comment by Anne at 11:47). In that case no reason for him not to date. Don’t know that I would date someone 8 1/2 years older than me, but to each his own.
@Achilles, where did you see the calibers of the rifles?
Bill Owens said...
This...and also: she is a 'reporter' for a major cable news company. She should not be in any position to report on the administration, the policies, the president...etc. Her personal relationship with the president's son should disqualify her(a self-disqualification, to be sure) from any coverage.
He, like his father before him, has no filter that helps guide him through a very public life.
Did you get that from Chuck Todd or George Stephanopolous?
It is so much fun watching leftists get all huffy and indignant about conflicts of interest in media.
Oh the indignity!
Nobody cares that you are a sock puppet.
Big Mike said...
@Achilles, where did you see the calibers of the rifles?
There are quickloaders next to the chambers. It looks like she has a ~5.56 chamber and he has a ~.308/7.62 chamber.
Over the last 10 years there has been an explosion of new calibers with really cool ballistics. Hers could be a 6.5 creedmor for example though I think it is smaller than that.
I have seen .50 cals smaller than the rifle he is holding. I doubt anyone would try to pack that thing around actually hunting the types of game you can shoot with a .308.
The trumpian notion that womenare disposable exactly meets and matches the modern feminist notion that men are disposable.
After Biden's fuckup cokehead son started fucking his dead brothers wife while still married (and with kids), I don't see this as much of an issue.
Other than normalization, it's between the husband, wife, girlfriend, family, and God. Is there any other cause or interest with standing?
Blogger Bill Peschel said...
Too late. The liberals' destruction of social norms since the '70s makes it a little late in the day to apply them now.
So that disqualifies all of the social liberals, and the “progressive” deconstructionists of traditional moral values.
But it doesn’t touch the social conservatives who haven’t signed on to the cult of the Trump personality and who have done nothing to contribute to “the destruction of social norms” as you describe.
"So that disqualifies all of the social liberals, and the “progressive” deconstructionists of traditional moral values.
But it doesn’t touch the social conservatives who haven’t signed on to the cult of the Trump personality and who have done nothing to contribute to “the destruction of social norms” as you describe."
It also disqualifies lifelong incel's whose only romantic relatinoship was with Palmula Handerson.
Check out the big guns she and Jr. are toting in one photo. They look like very long distance sniper rifles. Was this taken at some Putin-sponsored sniper ranch in Syria? Bag your ISIS and be rocking the casbah by evening prayers.
When I was called for jury duty in February, Donald, Jr. was in the jury pool, as well. As it turned out, we were both called to the same courtroom, where prospective jurors would undergo voir dire.
Donald, Jr. wasn't called in the first couple of groups of prospects, (neither was I). On the third call-up, Don, Jr. was called up. When he was questioned and said (in a surprisingly projecting voice) that he was married and had five children, there was a subtle reaction, a sort of subdued humorous murmur, an unspoken "Five kids! Wow!"
In the end, Don, Jr. wasn't selected to serve. I was never even called to go through voir dire, and I was discharged of my jury service until next time, (along with Don, Jr. and many others).
Carville is married to Mary Matalin, so he obviously shouldn't be doing any analysis for CNN.
>> Guilfoyle is Hispanic?
Yep. Just like O'Higgins in Chile.
"Did you get that from Chuck Todd or George Stephanopolous?
It is so much fun watching leftists get all huffy and indignant about conflicts of interest in media.
Oh the indignity!
Nobody cares that you are a sock puppet."
******
Ok, nobody cares that I'm a puppet. That lack of caring list of folks includes me. I commented on the public behavior of public people. I believe they are conducting themselves poorly and it will reflect badly on them over time.
FYI, and trust me "nobody" will care that you were wrong, I voted for the president and am quite happy with his presidency so far. Can't wait for the SC appointment. Have a nice day.
@traditionalguy said...
Warning: She is way smarter than him.
I'm not sure about the smart part. First she was seen out and about with Anthony Scaramucci when he was separated from his wife and Mooch was trying to impress Trump.by talking to the NYT. Kimberly did her best to get Trump to appoint her to the Press Secretary job after Sean Spicer was bounced as an early Trump team casualty as the most abused Presidential Press Secretary in history.
Admitedly there are the Don Jr.flubs, including lying about the Trump Tower meeting with the Ruskies and the infamous violent event when Diaper Don ticked off his Dad.
I would guess that Fox executives talked the president out of hiring Guilfoyle. Why else would he hire Sarah Huckabee Sanders?
gadfly is the resident expert on the Trump admin.
What are the current plans on h Supreme Court, gaddie?
Shrug.
I don't do double standards. As long as the Left isn't hissing and cutting the Clintons from their society, I will not be lectured by them about the social peccadillos of mine.
Granted, Madam Althouse is probably consistent at hissing at the Left and the Right equally on these sorts of matters, but until she is Le Grande Dame running society, it means very little.
Vanessa doesn't care, Don Jr. doesn't care. Lefties may care, but I don't give a fig for their opinion since it is so party based. They'll let a pedophile stay in the Senate while being aghast at Roy Moore's half remembered sins from half a century ago.
And I am not signing up for Lefty norms, so until they move into my Overton's window, no norms.
Thanks to walter for passing on the Vanessa Trump retweet.
Have you noticed that none of the ex-Mrs Trumps have negative things to say about Trump husbands. Trump pre-nups must be written to carefully protect the Trump name. Even Ivana later denied that Donald raped her after having said so under oath.
Turns out the Trumps aren’t the pinnacle of discretion after all.
Even Ivana later denied that Donald raped her after having said so under oath.
I suspect you have never gone through a divorce or a child custody battle.
Ask Jack Ryan about it. Ex-wives have been known to lie when there is something to be gotten from it.
Blogger mccullough said...
Yes. You wait until after you are divorced. If your spouse dies, you wait a year. Show some respect for your kids. 7/5/18, 10:19 AM
Hey mccullogh, how do you know that he did not talk to his kids before he went dating. Moreover, just because AA writes "..very negative feeling...." about this, doesn't mean a damn thing! Since when is AA the morality Queen?
I believe Kimberly was the news bunny that Roger Ailes was referring to when he said he had hired someone who could suck a golf ball through a garden hose.
Donald Jr. is a lucky guy.
If I were divorced and if I decided to date again, I would probably wait a while before the kids meet the intended. Enough to know that this woman is not a passing fad.
THAT is rubbing the kid's noses in it. Or are we expecting his kids to be reading the United Kingdom Social Pages?
Their ages are from 11 to 4 so what scarring is going to occur again?
Do many 4 year olds read the Daily Mail?
I never realized how much Donald Trump Jr. looks like Gavin Newsome
That being said: the only thing I would twit him on is if his KIDS were at the event with the two of them.
In that case, bad form sir!
However if it was adult only affair, no issues no matter how bad it makes the lady readers of the Daily Mail feel.
Since when do liberals care about the Trump Kids except for calling them autistic and wanting to kidnap them and put them in cages with pedophiles?
Your concern is laughable.
Donald Jr is a great father and will do right by his kids just like his Dad did with him.
"Anna Navarro republican" Chuck: "But it doesn’t touch the social conservatives who haven’t signed on to the cult of the Trump personality and who have done nothing to contribute to “the destruction of social norms” as you describe."
I'm certain I'm on solid ground when I assert rumor-mongering about 11 year old children is a key indicator of social norm destruction.
tsk tsk tsk, though to be fair to LLR Chuck, all the lefties were doing it too...
Why else would he hire Sarah Huckabee Sanders?
Because she's shown herself to be the best WH Press Secretary in my lifetime?
Disgusting. Maybe he and Mark Sanford can double date.
Adults have the choice and the power in the parental relationship.
With great power comes great responsibility.
Too often kids are subject to parental choices that privilege adult desires over the needs of children.
It's the age of #NoJudgment and #NoLabels. Icky, weird, and socially progressive.
It seems that people are not ready to lose their religion/moral philosophy or traditional behavioral protocol.
"Too often kids are subject to parental choices that privilege adult desires over the needs of children."
A million times, this.
Was Stormy Daniels not available?
He's going to pay to make that woman go away!!
"Too often kids are subject to parental choices that privilege adult desires over the needs of children."
Establishment of the Pro-Choice Church has placed society on a progressive path.
One of the best gifts parents can give kids is a stable marriage
And one of the worst is an unstable, stressful, contentious marriage where the parties stay together "for the children"
Think the children don't notice the unhappiness and even hate? Think again.
Too often kids are subject to parental choices that privilege adult desires over the needs of children.
You mean like aborting kids because it might cause a touch of stress in a meteoric career trajectory or be slightly expensive?
Preach!
And one of the worst is an unstable, stressful, contentious marriage where the parties stay together "for the children"
Absent abuse or addiction (and no, not just bent feelz), I would like to see ANY kind of statistics backing that up.
Because the stats are in and a pair of fighting parents would have to be absolutely miserable to match the enormous statistical sewer that being a single mom is on the welfare of the child. Abuse, addiction, crime, grades, poverty. Single moms tend to be leading the pack on those fronts. (Yes, not all. Some single parents do amazingly well. I lived next to one. But as Chris Rock said about single parenting and driving with your feet: "You might be able to do it but that doesn't make it a good idea!")
This sounds like a rationalization that women tell themselves when they pull the trigger on 70% of divorces: it's for the children! It isn't a horribly selfish thing to at all.
So color me skeptical.
a pair of fighting parents would have to be absolutely miserable to match the enormous statistical sewer that being a single mom is on the welfare of the child.
I agree but many divorces are not resulting in poverty. The poverty issue comes up most with never-married women.
Lots of fathers get raped by the court system but usually pay child support. And stay involved with the kids.
FIDO said...
Because the stats are in and a pair of fighting parents would have to be absolutely miserable to match the enormous statistical sewer that being a single mom is on the welfare of the child. Abuse, addiction, crime, grades, poverty. Single moms tend to be leading the pack on those fronts.
The blank slatists are out! But then, they're always out.
So how come (even taking into account the 15~20 years delay between "single mom [birth]" and murder) -
FBI: US Homicide Rate at 51-Year Low (2016)
The unbelievable rise of single motherhood in America over the last 50 years
and, rather than anecdotes and folk tales:
"Our results suggest that, for white children, the association between the number of family structure transitions [divorce and other disruptions] and cognitive outcomes is largely explained by mother’s prior characteristics [genes] but that the association between the number of transitions and behavioral outcomes may be causal in part. We find no robust effects of number of transitions for black children.
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The earlier study suggests that diminished parenting skills and diminished relationship skills may co-vary, creating the appearance of a causal relationship between multiple transitions and some dimensions of children’s adjustment when, in fact, parental vulnerabilities cause both the transitions and the adjustment difficulties."
If the divorce rate of the late 20th Century wasn't bad enough, mainstreaming homosexuality and forcing the marriage issue certainly ought to have been the end of bluenose prudery about dating when separated or divorced. No one who is not a member of a couple knows what goes on in that couple. Maybe Ms. Guilfoyle is an accomplished conversationalist and fellatrix. Maybe that makes him happy. Why should we give a shit?
(eaglebeak)
Who cares? Vanessa left him, so not sure why his running around with Kimberly is so awful.
Kimberly, formerly the wife of Dem frontrunner for California Governor Gavin Newsome, is smart, and a lawyer, and a smart lawyer. Also, she's known the Trumps for awhile.
The fact that she's a year older than Melania is weird, but Donald Sr.'s romantic escapades are pretty well known by now, and if he winds up with a daughter-in-law older than his wife, so what?
Meanwhile, Kimberly used to date Anthony Scaramucci (the Mooch), and she's half Puerto Rican, and fun on The Five,, so what's not to like?
It's about his kids, not his wife who is divorcing him.
I cringe for the five kids: the eldest one is 11 years old.
I find that terrible and absolutely contrary to what a father should do.
I don't belong in the same class of conservatives, sorry, my idea of family is totally different.
Trump Jr. proposed to her with a $100,000 ring that he got for free from a jeweler in exchange for proposing to her in front of paparazzi outside of the jeweler's store in a New Jersey mall
Vanessa's high school sweetheart was Valentin Rivera, a member of a violent street gang named Latin Kings.
Vanessa Trump dated from 1998 to 2001 and lived together with Saudi prince Khalid bin Bandar bin Sultan Al Saud.[16] Vanessa Trump intended to marry him, but they broke up after September 11 attacks when he left the U.S. after his father was suspected of having indirect ties to the hijackers.
For the sake of your future kids don't be attracted to the douchebags.
It's about his kids, not his wife who is divorcing him.
This is crap. Make better choices.
@Freeman Hunt - So what is he supposed to do if his wife left him? Enter a monastery? Take a vow of celibacy? Wait an amount of time determined by social science to render subsequent relationships not harmful to children? If modern kids are supposed to be able to handle Heather's Two Mommies why can't they handle Dad's Hot New Girlfriend?
OT:
The Left Can't Come To Grips With The Loss Of Power
It's about the kids.
Divorce is damaging to kids. It's not just about $$$.
It's not easy for kids to deal with complicated social relationships. It's hard when parents live in different homes and leave you -- the kids know they weren't enough to make parents happy in their home.
It's hard to have 2 different sets of rules. It's hard to deal with Mom or Dad's lover, socializing with step-siblings or the children of lovers who are pseudo-step-siblings. If Mom or Dad have kids with the new parent, kids from the 1st family can feel second-best.
@ wwww - Yes. And nonetheless, despite everyone's good intentions, it happens ANYWAY. Initiated by women 70% of the time.
Oso Negro,
I am appalled by the divorce rate.
I know someone who initiated divorce because of a comb left out.
@ wwww - I am ALSO appalled by the divorce rate. I am NOT appalled by a man trying to start life anew after his wife dumps him. I AM appalled by the number of women here who think that he should stay quietly at home instead of offend THEIR sensibilities.
Gavin Newsome's sloppy seconds.
It's about the kids, not adult sensibilities.
@ wwww - So what is the incremental impact on the children if he does or doesn't date? Is it so deleterious that men should be proscribed by law from dating after divorce? Or maybe divorce should be outlawed. I submit that there is no reliable body of evidence to argue that divorce with subsequent dating is more harmful to children than divorce without subsequent dating. So yeah, that pretty much leaves it to adult sensibilities. I do not think that our local feminists would tut-tut about a dumped woman going on dates, but if there is evidence of the same here in the blog archives, let it be summoned up.
Blogger Oso Negro said...
If the divorce rate of the late 20th Century wasn't bad enough, mainstreaming homosexuality and forcing the marriage issue certainly ought to have been the end of bluenose prudery about dating when separated or divorced.
I'm reading a biography of The Black Prince. His grandfather, Edward II, had a homosexual lover and his mother, Isabel. after invading the realm with her lover, Mortimer, had the gay lover, Hugh Dispenser hanged drawn and quartered. Thus, he encountered the modern world of love and marriage in 1326.
Isabella also had his penis and testicles removed and burned. Not a lady to mess around with.
@Spanish black bear, I think "dumped" is too strong a word. Remember that some sick Lefty loon sent her an envelope filled with a white powder, which scared the Hell out of her. I don't think she'd leave him except that she doesn't care to be a target for the sick sort of people who would fake sending anthrax to the wife of the son of a President.
@wwww, divorce is damaging to kids, but so are physical attacks from people with no sense of shame nor proportion. Vanessa instituted divorce proceedings after the episode with the letter, not after finding an intern giving my a blow job.
Oso Negro,
I do not believe in divorce. I feel better about it when there are no kids involved. I think it is a sacrament, it's a sacred oath. It's about loyalty, and faithfulness. I am aware I do not hold a popular or common opinion in the 21st century.
I do not understand why people get married if they don't mean it. Husbands and wives are not random partners assigned by the marriage assignment robot machine. Too many people do not choose partners who are trustworthy and worth a sacred oath. Too many people do not tend to their marriage. They do not treat family as one's biggest investment, and your most valuable prize.
I do not think society and culture follow the law. Outlawing divorce would not help and serve to merely undermine respect for the law.
Dr. Laura Schlessinger advises that a divorced parent not introduce a lover to children until they plan to marry. Be discreet. Do not take lovers to public events. Do blank sake do not post pictures on instagram.
Brad Pitt is managing to have an affair with a MIT professor with little publicity. This behaviour works better for kids.
People say they disagree with divorce. They do not act like they disagree with divorce.
Big Mike,
I have not been discoursing about Donald Junior. All l know for a fact is that he's not being discreet about his relationship in taking it public.
However, if we're gonna guess about why the divorce happened, I suspect his affair with that woman from the Apprentice did not help. This is just a guess. I have no idea why they are getting a divorce.
She left him after she got a major inheritance. He was always out, and then she got the letter.
@ wwww - We are not disagreeing about divorce. But in this instance, what’s under discussion is dating afterward. I don’t think anyone is an expert in that field and certainly not Dr. Laura. She has no data, and is pulling stuff out her ass. Children don’t want anything to change. They don’t want their parents to divorce and they don’t want their parents to re-marry, either. It would be my observation that it is better to introduce the new person while dating, at less that way the kid has some period of time to hope it doesn’t work out. This opposes to having the sudden introduction of a new Mom or Dad. I find it perverse that our culture is fine with the killing of children in utero, just so long as you don’t upset the ones you don’t kill by acting like a normal heterosexual after divorce.
"Freeman Hunt - So what is he supposed to do if his wife left him?"
Right now, he isn't even divorced. He should be incredibly discreet, certainly not taking a new girlfriend to a White House event where there will be lots of cameras.
I'm glad my own father had better sense.
He violated the holy principle of progressivism: stability.
The negative reaction is due to the revelation of baby parts in a socially unaware, unapproved manner.
The children... Well, the children were kept in cages. They were separated from parents and predators identifying as "parents". They were lost on the trail of tears from known social justice zones (i.e. elective regime change, trial by sodomy and abortion, catastrophic anthropogenic immigration reform). They were ignored and exploited during their progress from South to North Mexico.
A veil of privacy... taxable commodities, and friendship with benefits. A liberal religious/moral philosophy (i.e. behavioral protocol). Social progress, normalized.
Divorce is damaging to kids. It's not just about $$$.
Single mothers with multiple children by multiple fathers and men with multiple children by multiple mothers (that they almost never support) are even worse......but we can't even discuss that much less try to fix it.
Can someone tell me what is going on with the walls in that Oval Office shot? Does DT have the view from mar a lago screen printed on those walls?
The thing to avoid is
1) Kids need time to transition. Haste is not good for kids in this situation.
2) It's a problem to introduce temporary step-mamas or temporary lovers or longer term girlfriends/boyfriends who eventually leave.
-bad example to suggest sex before marriage.
-kids need to see examples of stable relationships that last for a lifetime. Revolving door partners are a bad example.
-Worst of all: Kids get attached to lover/boyfriend/girlfriend.
The kids can no longer see the person after the parents break up. Kids learn the bad lesson that loving relationships are temporary, not eternal. Children may learn that relationships are transactional, when they should be learning that commitments exceed temporary needs.
In this case, once again, the desires of the adult trump the needs of the children.
In this case, once again, the desires of the adult trump the needs of the children.
In a world of legal abortion, rampant bastardy and no fault divorce Trump Jr. going on a date fuels your outrage?
As Robert Cook might say,
How do you know they're having sex? Who's to say that they aren't platonic friends acting for unknown reasons like Vanessa's security? Why couldn't they all be in on it together?
Vanessa could make enormous trouble for DTJ. The fact that she is not, should be the dog not barking in the night-time.
Gahrie,
I am not outraged by the post example. I've always been against divorce. I'm explaining why some of us think this behaviour can be damaging to children.
In my opinion, best practices for raising kids:
(1) don't get married, have children, then get divorced.
(2) If divorce is unavoidable, make it as easy on the kids as possible.
I've never seen such a lot of whatabout-ism in my entire life.
Serious evil exists in the world, like the rape and murder of children. That people have and will commit evil acts is not a good excuse for subpar parenting.
Bad Lieutenant,
I don't know. That's why I'm mostly speaking in abstractions about divorce & best practices in general.
I don't know anything about this particular family aside from rumours in the news, which is mostly celebrity news, notoriously false, and no way to judge anything.
The first world problems on this thread are truly awesome.
Oh the kids! The kids! Think about the kids!
Not much on here about the death threats from the left that caused the divorce.
Mike brought it up at least I believe.
The kids are living in mansions with millions spent on their care. I think they will be just fine.
Get a grip.
The other issue is very simple:
Trump Jr. CANNOT keep ANY relationship he has a secret. He CAN'T be discreet. Period! The Press is out for blood.
I can just imagine the headline if he tried to keep it secret: 'DTJ in sordid affair with woman older than his mother in law'.
He went to a FIREWORKS event with a woman. He isn't grinding on her in public.
He isn't showing introducing her as 'Mommy Karen' as far as ANYONE knows.
We have zero idea that the kids even know about this. They are probably doing fireworks with mom.
So this is a tree falling in a forest with no one around...but we are supposed to be outraged that a tree fell.
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And just to riff on what Mike said: History is replete with far worse things happening in life to kids...and the kids continued and prospered. Charlemagne never ever allowed his daughters to marry or move out...but magically they had kids anyway. HMM!
We have had kids get over gay dad. We have had kids get over WWII. We have had kids get over a loss of limb.
This is the 'shattered crystal' school of child rearing, instead of the 'broken bones grow stronger' school of thought.
In a perfect world, Vanessa and DTJ would not be targeted by Lefty wackos and hounded by the media to destroy their family. That wasn't allowed to happen, alas.
Since that is the case, this is his best second alternative. Though Karen probably isn't.
Older than his stepmother.
I found out my dad and late step-monster were getting married from one of her friends assuming I knew. But I was 27, so the scarring didn't occur until we realized everything she said and did was fucked up, thanks to Munchausens and borderline personality disorder. She would be thrilled that she can still piss me off 5 years after her death.
That isn't scarring from dad having a relationship. That is scarring from a horribly toxic person and you don't need marriage to get those scars.
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