June 20, 2018
"Do I look crazy? So far, you know, I still have all my senses, and I’m a heck of a lawyer. And I get drummed out of the profession if I did. I mean, the reality is, you don’t put your client in a kangaroo court."
Rudolph Giuliani, quoted in "'Kangaroo court': Giuliani says he would be crazy to let Trump be interviewed by Mueller’s team" (WaPo).
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There does seem to be a whiff of less than completely credible about Mueller’s team.
Giuliana must have transitioned.
rehajm said...
There does seem to be a whiff of less than completely credible about Mueller’s team.
Just went to an FBI interview. I could SMELL the Hillary support.
Advice:
1) Never talk under oath without a lawyer present.
2) Never talk to a Grand Jury (Invoke the Fifth Amendment).
3) Never plead guilty.
Following those three rules, you can live a free life of independence.
The best witness the state has against you, is your own words.
Well is Mueller a marsupial? The over under percentage bet on that breaks at 95%.
Nothing wrong with being a Roo Boy---but you don't want the fellow presiding over the court.
On kangaroo courts, I am reminded of the great final line in the movie Breaker Morant. Breaker and his fellow Australian officer, convicted by a court martial consisting entirely of British officers, are tied to chairs and waiting to be executed by a (British) firing squad.
Breaker says, 'This is what comes of building empires."
Well the Deep State is building its empire.
So much womp womp from Giuliani.
Blogger Mike Sylwester said...
I think there was some controversy a few years ago when Giuliani (aka Giuliana) said he is sexually impotent.
Ever had prostate cancer ?
That's part of it.
Man. I remember when both the left and right shared the "don't talk to police" lecture by the lawyer, who invites a police officer up to give part of a lecture, and the first thing the officer says is: "Who here broke a traffic law on their way to the lecture?" and a bunch of people raise their hands, and the lawyer yells at them: "WERE NONE OF YOU LISTENING!?"
>>The best witness the state has against you, is your own words.
Very true. I would distill your advice down to: Hand over your ID. Remain silent.
Right on. Mueller's bogus witch hunt is a Hillary Clinton Lost pay-back scheme.
I don't think that James Comey, currently under investigation for his handling of classified information, is going to make the most compelling witness as to what happened, but as to the interchanges recorded by Comey, Trump did nothing wrong--Comey just didn't like or trust him. Trump himself has given life to the "obstruction" inquiry by his lack of discipline in speaking about his decision to fire Comey. I don't think Trump would further his own cause by speaking with Mueller--he'd have a lot of splainin' to do. Who knows what the internal emails and memos say? Who knows what other people said?
Trump should stand on his power to make personnel changes in the Executive Branch. Wray was promptly nominated and confirmed, Mueller has had the run of the place, Trump doesn't have any information that Mueller can't get somewhere else, except Trump's statements about what he was thinking at that time, which in any case have not changed Mueller's inquiry.
There isn't any obstruction.
"There isn't any obstruction."
-- Exactly. The investigation continued without a hitch when Comey was fired for cause. This is unlike when Obama purged the IG staff and conveniently ended investigations into him and his allies, where a strong case for obstruction *could* have been made. Here, a lying liar who acknowledged leaking to the media, was fired for cause, and the investigation handed off to a nominally neutral third party.
There's no obstruction or even intent to obstruct.
I mean, really. Even if Mueller's and his team weren't clearly a bunch of highly partisan and completely corrupt Deep State apparatchiks determined to do everything they possibly can to circumlocuitously entrap Trump with his own words it would still be a bad idea to grant them an interview.
So I guess we're going to find out if a sitting president can be subpoenaed by a special council without a specific charge. It's a legal debate that probably should be resolved anyway.
"So I guess we're going to find out if a sitting president can be subpoenaed by a special council without a specific charge."
-- He probably can be. But I see no reason Trump should be expected to answer anything other than: "I don't specifically recall" or "As the record previously shows."
But, Trump's also not exactly disciplined.
Mueller the marsupial. I like it. Let's hope some cute political cartoons come of this.
After viewing the Rep. Gowdy/IG Horowitz video Althouse posted yesterday, I have some grave doubts about Mueller's competency, professionalism and lack of bias as evidenced by his personnel selections for his Russia inquiry.
Tell Mueller the President would agree to would agree to answer questions in writing. What's wrong with that compromise.
Or another suggestion. Tell Mueller he'll consider an interview after Mueller completes his Russia/Trump investigation. Why is Mueller holding the investigation he was appointed to hostage.
The country deserves to know if the President or his aides conspired with a hostile foreign government to interfere in an election.
After we have that information we can then discuss if Trump obstructed that investigation.
I can't fathom why Mueller would pick anyone from the Hillary investigation... and I certainly can't fathom why he'd say: "Oh, and I'd also like the people who were part of the secret investigation into Trump." There have to be more than a dozen some FBI agents in the world!
Of course, back in April, Giuliani was saying that there were talks about an interview and that they would "probably meet in the middle" with compromise terms for an interview.
For me, all that I want is for there to be a court case and a trial -- of almost anybody -- so that the Cohen/Trump recordings get played for the public.
Giuliana is the Caitlyn Jenner of the legal community.
You don't even need to be a "heck of a lawyer" to advise a client to not speak to investigators. It's practically the default position to take.
Giuliani was on Fox a couple of days ago saying that the arrangement for an interview would be resolved in two weeks or so. He wasn't saying then that there should not be an interview.
Trump could say he's not talking to a partisan prosecutor looking to invent a bullshit obstruction charge.
I wonder how that would go over. The Dems, GOPe, LLRs and media (but I repeat myself) would go apeshit crazy. But would anyone else really care.
Rudy has that old time Dragon Energy too. That's why Trump puts up with his slip ups that reveal too much to soon. Rudy is the one who needs to stick by the plan and not get out in front.
But my hats off to him. He is definitely an assault lawyer. And those are rare commodities. De l'audace, encore l'audace, Toujours L'audace. Vive Le Rudy.
I love that Giuliani is calling the investigation "a kangaroo court".
I love that Robert "The FBI Whitewasher" Mueller and his investigation are described with utter contempt.
In Mueller's case against Concord Management and Consulting, the defense lawyer recently submitted to the judge a motion that begins with this paragraph:
[quote]
Having produced not one iota of discovery in this criminal case the unlawfully appointed Special Counsel requests a special and unprecedented blanket protective order covering tens of millions of pages of unclassified discovery. Having made this special request based on a secret submission to the Court and a hysterical dithyramb about the future of the American elections, one would think that the Special Counsel would cite to case holdings that support this remarkable request. But no, instead, the Special Counsel seeks to equate this make-believe electioneering case to others involving international terrorism and major drug trafficking, and relies only on irrelevant dicta from inappropriate, primarily out-of-circuit cases. In short, fake law, which is much more dangerous than fake news.
[end quote]
I love it! Utter contempt!!
https://www.reddit.com/r/The_Donald/comments/8r6nrf/holy_shit_the_defendants_motion_in_court_today/
Mueller the marsupial? Sounds like a children's book.
Mueller looks a little like an eastern grey kangaroo to me.
Mueller
'roo
For me, all that I want is for there to be a court case and a trial -- of almost anybody -- so that the Cohen/Trump recordings get played for the public.
chuck is desperate to get the GOP to lose Congress and for Trump to lose the 2020 election to Hillary.
Then all his troubles will be solved.
Using Toujours l'audace as a plan comes down from Fredrick the Great, Napoleon Bonaparte and George Patton. L'audace is Italian for boldness. The idea was that a battle rarely follows the script. Rudy knows that, and he accepts the challenge.
I'd certainly love to read this "hysterical dithyramb" of Muellers.
Ever had prostate cancer? That's part of it.
I regret my comment, so I have deleted it.
Is Guiliana avuncular?
Wait, I thought his name was Rudolpha.
"Blogger Mike Sylwester said...
I think there was some controversy a few years ago when Giuliani (aka Giuliana) said he is sexually impotent.
Ever had prostate cancer ?
That's part of it."
And now it no longer matters.
Glad the thpo was amusing.
Fixed now.
There’s a good videl of Giuliani in drag, flirting with Trump.
Interview with Mueller? That's downright laughable. Look at the Mule-ler track record. Look at who he's employed as investigators.
Trump's response should be on the order of: "Go screw yourself, stronger message to follow".
"For me, all that I want is for there to be a court case and a trial -- of almost anybody -- so that the Cohen/Trump recordings get played for the public."
Cuck-a-doodle-doo!
LOL
Typo
Giuliana ... thpo ... videl
I thought you bought a new keyboard.
Unless, of course, the lawyer represents Apple or Google and wants to file an IPR in the PTAB.
Clearly Althouse is composing her posts on the world's smallest typewriter while wearing oven mits.
Bullshit Etienne. When you have real white (achtung baby) privilege, not the faux French kind, you can talk your way out of trouble with cops by not lying to them. It prolly don't work for you because they can smell your amphibian taint like a truffle.
Trump should sit down with Mueller under these conditions: Both are placed under oath and they alternate asking questions.
Trump should sit down with Mueller under these conditions: Since the proceeding is a witch-hunt, Mueller should have to dress like a 17th Century magistrate and always say thee and thou instead of you.
"There’s a good videl of Giuliani in drag, flirting with Trump."
How much did Trump pay "it" to keep their affair a secret. It wouldn't hold up in court because Giuliana is well know for having a big mouth as well as for being a revolting transvestite.
If forced to testify, Trump should use the CH Clinton defense --
"In the three hours-plus that Hillary Clinton spoke with FBI investigators about her private email server on July 2, she cited more than three-dozen things that she could not recall." -- Washington Post
Drudge has some good stuff on the left's hypocrisy and insanity.
The Fonda family proves once again why they should die in a fire.
Actually, he does look kind of crazy these days. Got a bit of a Doc Brown thing going on.
ARM is just sad that Trump isn't "folding."
The midterms are going to be humiliating for the left.
BREAKING NEWS: Trump says he will be signing executive order on mounting border separation crisis
BREAKING NEWS: Mickelson apologizes for losing his cool.
Peter Fonda speaks for ARM, Inga, Chuck and all progressive s in the country
The Oscar winner said, "We should rip Barron Trump from his mother's arms and put him in a cage with pedophiles and see if mother will stand up against the giant asshole she is married to."
Liberals.
There’s a good videl of Giuliani in drag, flirting with Trump.
Gore Videl did a lot of that, but mostly with Norman Nailer.
I read that as "You don't put your client in a Kangaroo suit". Which sounds like a much more interesting strategy.
Speaking of folding, how many hours before Fonda tweets an apology?
We should rip Barron Trump from his mother's arms and put him in a cage with pedophiles ...
Does this situation include "a cage with pedophiles"?
I can't fathom why Mueller would pick anyone from the Hillary investigation... and I certainly can't fathom why he'd say: "Oh, and I'd also like the people who were part of the secret investigation into Trump." There have to be more than a dozen some FBI agents in the world!
Maybe the ones not chosen are even more partisan then Strzok and Page!
"Revolting transvestite"? I didn't know that gender focused slurs were still a thing, but nothing blinds a body like hate.
"Speaking of folding, how many hours before Fonda tweets an apology?"
Fonda has been on a tweet warpath.
http://dailycaller.com/2018/06/20/melania-calls-secret-service-after-actor-peter-fonda-threatens-to-kidnap-barron-trump/
Re: Toujours l'audace
One of the greatest Napoleon victories was a complete disaster - Battle of Jena–Auerstedt in 1806. We learned about this battle in ROTC, and we practiced some of the formations. It was great fun. We used the Hispanic students as the Prussians.
Napoleon and the Prussians forces were almost passing each other, when his scouts reported back.
His corps concept (which he invented) wheeled to the left and annihilated the Prussian "advance" Army. Only Napoleon thought it was the "main" body.
His corp at the lead, which didn't wheel, because it would now be the right flank, finally wheeled to the left and annihilated the "main" body.
Napoleon, before that, was going to fire the Marshal Davout for being useless on the right. He was a bespectacled balding small man.
The Marshal reported engaging the "main" body of the Prussian Army, and Napoleon told the courier "Tell your Marshal he is seeing double". Napoleon thought he was fighting the "main" force!
Turns out he was wrong. He allowed Marshal Davout to march into captured Berlin at the lead.
Audacity my ass, he whimpered... He had to trail behind the Marshal in shame.
L'audace is Italian for boldness.
No, l'audacia is Italian.
And the quote has nothing to do with Frederick the Great or Napoleon or George S. Patton for that matter. In whole, the quote is "De l'audace, encore de l'audace, et toujours de l'audace," and is attributed to Georges-Jacques Danton. Danton spoke those words as an accused before the Revolutionary Tribunal, a genuine kangaroo court. They are not complimentary. Danton was speaking of shamelessness of the Comité de salut public and its leader, Maximilien Robespierre.
Does this situation include "a cage with pedophiles"?
Fonda knows the Podesta brothers.
r/v - thanks for the concern trolling.
I still doubt Mueller will try to force oral testimony- the problem is that written questions and answers is still the best method for getting actual answers. Insisting on on an oral interview is a transparent attempt to manufacture a crime to charge, and every honest person understands this. That would be me offer if I were Trump- written questions with exactly one round of follow-up questions- end of offer.
Giuliani was drummed out of his law firm. Now he plays a lawyer on TV.
Written answers come from lawyers. Spoken answers come from speaker.
Giuliani was drummed out of his law firm.
Typical readering bullshit.
Hmm. Peter Fonda makes vile, idiotic statement.
Appropriate, classy response?
May all his family die in a fire.
(Double check spelling of fire.)
“Kangaroo Court” is too polite a term to describe Mueller’s phonus bolognus “investigation.”
Double check spelling of Nailer.
"For me, all that I want is for there to be a court case and a trial -- of almost anybody -- so that the Cohen/Trump recordings get played for the public."
Why?
"Written answers come from lawyers. Spoken answers come from speaker."
It doesn't matter, readering- the answers still have to be truthful. Insisting on oral answers isn't to get at the truth- the goal is something else.
I read that as "You don't put your client in a Kangaroo suit". Which sounds like a much more interesting strategy.
It's not a Kangaroo, it's a big mouse!
buwaya puti said...
Why?
Who doesn't want to hear a Don and his consigliere in discussion?
"Peter Fonda republican" and #StrongDemDefender Chuck: "For me, all that I want is for there to be a court case and a trial -- of almost anybody --"
Note: our "Brian Stelter republican Chuck has never called for a trial for any leftist or dem at any time for any reason.
Feel free to draw obvious and inescapable conclusions.
Live Interview with Trump and Mueller, with Trump able to ask Mueller questions also.
Like the debates, Trump insults the competition, asks Mueller about railroading the anthrax guy. Asks about Whitey Bueller situation.
A kangaroo court. A warlock trial.
It could be worse. A baby trial offers torture and summary abortion.
Beloved Commenter AReasonableMan said...
buwaya puti said...
Why?
Who doesn't want to hear a Don and his consigliere in discussion?
I would rather here Obama and his fellow stalinists discuss how to use the IRS to audit tea party groups.
Or discussions with Holder on how to use the ATF to sell guns to Mexican gangs.
Or discussions between Obama and the FBI during their updates to him on the Trump Russia investigation and how to get warrants from the FISA court to spy on Trump.
Or Hillary and Obama's discussions about how to deflect from the truth of what happened at Benghazi.
But we would like to see one thing above all else:
The best would be to see what Obama illegally emailed Hillary on her illegal private server.
Double check spelling of Nailer.
Were you in the "slow" class, readering? I only ask because you were the only person here unable to get the joke, minor though it was.
Mueller should have to dress like a 17th Century magistrate and always say thee and thou instead of you.
"Thou" and "thee" are (were) informal. "You" would have been the formal and appropriate way to address someone who was not a close friend or family. On second thought, perhaps Mueller would use "thou" in order to be insultingly over-familiar.
Speaking of kangaroos, that "super strength skunk" post seems to have disappeared - I thought the super-skunk might have been a match for "the monster rat of Dalston".
Sometimes I get the impression that England has "wildlife envy" since their scariest wild animal is a pony.
I hear Big Don has a new reality show in production, The Folderosa.
In episode one, his third wife beats the bejesus out of Little Stevie and then pussy-whips Big Don into letting the Mexicano family live together on the ranch.
I think there was a Bonanza episode like that.
We once visited the old Bonanza set up by Lake Tahoe with my mother-in-law.
She was a huge fan.
"Were you in the "slow" class, readering?"
I was. Still going through my humor treatises on the proper use of "bullshit" as a response to anything. Will then turn to the old, old editions for proper use of homophobic allusions.
If the Media Keeps This Up, They’re Going to Get Somebody Killed
— Rush Limbaugh
“Okay. Folks, I’m just gonna say it here. If the media keeps this up — if they keep up generating this hysteria — somebody’s gonna get killed. I think we’re pretty close to somebody getting killed already, and I’m not being hyperbolic, and I’m not trying to call attention to myself. I’m genuinely worried about the out-of-control aspect of this. The news media’s fanning the flames. The news media is leading the way on this. It’s again an oxymoron. News media? There is no media, and none of this is news.
It’s a manufactured crisis — that is one of many — after Donald Trump committed an unpardonable sin, and that was winning the presidential election. This today is not about kids and the way they’re being treated anywhere. This is about Donald Trump winning and these people not being able to do anything about it. Look at everything they’ve thrown at Trump. They’ve had full-blown intelligence community FBI, CIA, DOJ, special counsel investigations all happening simultaneously designed to drive Donald Trump from office in six months.
Failed.
Every one of them has failed.
Donald Trump’s popularity is increasing. His approval numbers are increasing. Overall satisfaction in the country is rising. In fact, if you dig deep into this latest Gallup survey, you find that all across the board in this country people are looking up, and they’re optimistic. It’s rooted to economics. The only group of people fit to be tied are Democrats, and it is just… It’s eating them alive.
—–
The Democrats now more than ever are rabid, unhinged…
They’re becoming zombie-like. If you don’t believe me, jump on Twitter for a few minutes. It has become the refugee of human debris. People who know they’re powerless, people who know they’re ineffective… They live each and every day with hatred, self-loathing, what have you. They don’t like themselves to begin with. They’ve got no outlet for this. Hillary Clinton’s loss to Donald Trump has created a mob of political monsters who gather on Twitter to spew insane hatred — and this is bleeding over to people even in the establishment.”
https://www.rushlimbaugh.com/daily/2018/06/20/the-media-is-going-to-get-somebody-killed/
Is it a full moon already?
Good quote. Obviously correct. No lawyer in his right mind would permit Trump to be questioned unless it were utterly impossible to stop. That is true of any client, but perhaps most of all for this one.
Bingo! A good lawyer won't let his client be railroaded.
It's so cute when ARM and R/V repeat womp womp like they know what it means.
Blogger CWJ said...
It's so cute when ARM and R/V repeat womp womp like they know what it means.
I'll bet they don't even know that the child was rescued from a coyote and not the "zero tolerance" policy.
Fernandistein asserts: Sometimes I get the impression that England has "wildlife envy" since their scariest wild animal is a pony.
Well, they do have soccer fans.
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