Voters were asked if they wish to scrap the eighth amendment to the constitution, which gives an unborn child and its mother equal rights to life. The consequent prohibition on abortion was partly lifted in 2013 for cases where the mother’s life was in danger....
“Yes” campaigners argued that with over 3,000 women traveling to Britain each year for terminations - a right enshrined in a 1992 referendum - and others ordering pills illegally online, abortion is already a reality in Ireland.
May 26, 2018
"Ireland is set to liberalize some of the world’s most restrictive abortion laws after exit polls suggested a landslide vote for change..."
Reuters reports.
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Divergent.
Life deemed unworthy, human sacrificial rites, commoditization of human life, denial of individual dignity, and other violations of human rights is a progressive condition and slope.
Irish twins will no longer imply breeding like rabbits.
terminations
"I'll be back."
The story of The Terminator is neither history, as we commonly conceive it, nor empirical science. Instead, it is an investigation into the structure of Being itself and calls to action within that Being.
The premeditated abortion (i.e. selective or Pro-Choice) of human life is a natural right, a lucrative industry (e.g. recycled child), a progressive condition (past and present, monotonic), and it seems to be enjoying a resurgence among "good" Irish, Americans, Germans, etc, and normalization (i.e. promotion) in polite company.
"Ireland had the highest birth rate among European Union countries last year, and the joint lowest death rate."
Proves that abortion will never go away. It’s been around for hundreds of years and before that infanticide. Women chose in Ireland.
See. That's how it's done, democratically. It's nice to know that democracy still lives.
abortion is already a reality in Ireland.
So is murder.....it's still illegal.
"Furthermore, just as they did not think it worthwhile to retain the knowledge of God, so God gave them over to a depraved mind, so that they do what ought not to be done."
You mean, like, they allowed people to vote?
“Yes” campaigners argued that with over 3,000 women traveling to Britain each year for terminations - a right enshrined in a 1992 referendum... abortion is already a reality in Ireland.
Any compromise is capitulation?
Getting the English to kill Irish babies seems historically accurate.
I was so hoping, praying that Ireland might remain a sign of contradiction.
Well said, @gspencer.
tim in vermont: See. That's how it's done, democratically. It's nice to know that democracy still lives.
As long as the demos votes the right way on an issue. Otherwise, what they vote for is "a threat to democracy".
The polls suggest that the Irish will vote the right way on liberalizing abortion laws. A few years back they voted the wrong way on an EU treaty, so they had to do it over again until they got it right.
gspencer said...
"Furthermore, just as they did not think it worthwhile to retain the knowledge of God, so God gave them over to a depraved mind, so that they do what ought not to be done."
That passage in Romans 1;28 refers more directly to homosexuality but certainly applies to abortion as well.
Suppose God should take notice of the Irish vote and arrange for His timeless morality to be altered to conform to the will of the majority, hey?
Sebastian said...
You mean, like, they allowed people to vote?
5/26/18, 8:12 AM
That's OK, a judge can tell them to GFY like in CA on Prop 8, right?
There are no moral absolutes.
Moral absolutes imply a lawgiver.
A lawgiver implies a higher authority.
Morality equals 51% of what the voting age public agrees upon today.
What was acceptable yesterday may be unacceptable tomorrow,
What was unacceptable yesterday may be acceptable tomorrow.
There is no statute of limitations.
Choose wisely.
The 8th Amendment in Ireland…
The State acknowledges the right to life of the unborn and, with due regard to the equal right to life of the mother, guarantees in its laws to respect, and, as far as practicable, by its laws to defend and vindicate that right.
There are no moral absolutes.
Rape is bad.
The new Irish law is actually extremely conservative by American standards, post-Roe. I think that a lot of conservatives would actually see it as a reasonable compromise, a lot of middle of the road Americans would think it acceptable, and the abortion-obsessed Left would freak out.
Also I'm opposed to having sex with 2 year olds.
Does atheism always lead to nihilism?
I was just looking at a video of London in the sixties on youtube "1967 - London Street Scenes"
1967 is also the year of the UK "Abortion Act".
If I look at what our societies have become I must say that "Humanae Vitae" truly was prophetic. Pity the Church itself chose to ignore it.
Rape is bad.
Rape-rape is worse.
The 8th Amendment in Ireland…
The State acknowledges the right to life of the unborn and, with due regard to the equal right to life of the mother, guarantees in its laws to respect, and, as far as practicable, by its laws to defend and vindicate that right.
Rational and reasonable. An affirmative acknowledgement of causal human evolution, in lieu of social progress and acceptance of spontaneous conception. An effort to reconcile not avoid (e.g. Pro-Choice) principals and principles, including, perhaps, individual dignity and intrinsic value as moral axioms.
There are no moral absolutes.
Rape is bad.
Bad for whom?
"Liberalize" is an interesting verb choice.
Ireland is a partitioned country. Imperialists crushing the Catholics.
At least they're voting on it. Here, 5 robed liberal judges imposed it via a tortured reading of the Constitution.
It was 7 justices. Republican appointees mostly.
Ireland was, I think, the last country in Europe to allow divorce and the first country legalize gay marriage. The Irish people have the most fractured, ruptured, contradictory souls of any people in creation........The blessings of technology: I don't think it's possible to ban abortificient drugs, so first terms abortions are now a fact. On the other side, sonograms of the late term fetus, i.e. baby, are also a fact, so late term abortions are impossible to justify.
The wicked solution (i.e. selective-child, one-child) was normalized by liberal sects of the Pro-Choice Church, Democrat Party in a bid to secure female (as in sex, not gender) votes, and other left-wing ideologues in minority regimes. It's a progressive condition forced by an acute narcissism, granted comfort by a twilight faith, and aided and abetted by special and peculiar interests.
I have a modest proposal for how to better handle this issue.
Satan is everywhere of course.
Abortion is death and sin and hopelessness and vanity and pride.
There haven't been imoerialists crushing the Catholics in Ireland since 1922.
This is Irish Catholics deciding to not be Catholic.
Go for it, lassies! Have unprotected sex with men who aren’t husband/father material, then kill the result.
Eve and the Serpent abide and are still conversing.
They're losing their religion, and science, too... and, of course, ducks. Generations of ducks and likely a swan or two or three.
Blogger readering said...
“It was 7 justices. Republican appointees mostly.”
Roe v. Wade was not unanimous. But carry on.
9 on s. ct. 5 Reps 2 Dems vote for Roe. 1 Rep and 1 Dem dissent.
Next question?
Many of these comments are knee-jerk and don't reflect a good understanding of the issue.
Why the 8th Amendment isn't solely about abortion:
I'm pro-life, but I'm not in favor of hospital staff or the government having greater power over my medical decisions, including management of wanted pregnancies, than I do.
Ireland has a disgusting and shameful history of treating pregnant women, especially those pregnant out of wedlock, like vessels with no right to their own bodies or their own babies. I am glad that repealing the 8th can allow for pregnant women to be treated like full humans with dignity and rights to their own bodies.
This is Irish Catholics deciding to not be Catholic.
While you are correct, that this vote reflects the dramatic secularization of Ireland, your comment sounds wistful for the past when Ireland was "Catholic." I'm sure you know that in those beautiful days of yore, "fallen" pregnant women were forced into slavery and had their babies stolen from them under the auspices of the Church. That's hardly some golden age of morality.
Man is fallen and anything he tries to to is likely to be corrupted somehow.
On the other hand, whatever was wrong with the way the state and the church dealt with these problems is as nothing to the mass murder that is coming.
So, the 8th in practice is another Pro-Choice doctrine, which fails to reconcile the rights and humanity of the mother and child. Either way, the woman is denied franchise, and the [wholly innocent] child is deemed unworthy and denied life, selectively. Planned Parenthood is a progressive risk to both the mother and child, a burden to society, a corruption of science, and a threat to the value of human life. And the Choice follows two other choices.
"That's hardly some golden age of morality."
I'm sure the couple of tens of thousands of children prostituted out and raped over and over again in the new 'secular' UK would agree with that.
"On the other hand, whatever was wrong with the way the state and the church dealt with these problems is as nothing to the mass murder that is coming."
Indeed.
That said, today's result is the fault of the Church. If the Irish Bishops had been pro-life over the last, say, 50 years, every year, month, week, instead of ignoring it while doing their best to create empty churches the result would have been different.
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