IN THE COMMENTS: Kevin said:
Love Trumps HateRemember?
What did it mean? Scott Adams wrote in "Win Bigly":
One of the more notable persuasion failures from the Clinton campaign involved the slogan Love Trumps Hate. The first two thirds of the slogan is literally “Love Trump.” Again, human brains put more weight on the first part of a sentence than the end. On a rational level, the sentence makes perfect sense, and it says what Trump’s critics wanted it to say. But in the 3-D world of persuasion, this slogan simply told the world to either love Trump or love the things he hates, such as terrorism and bad trade deals.Just one more thing Scott Adams got right.
AND: Here's something Ted Rall got wrong:
Turned out we didn't get that 4 to 8 years of stupid — not that particular form of stupid, anyway (the stupid of getting called "sexist" every time you criticized the President).
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There's lots of good reasons to like Trump expressed by the right.
You can't beat celebrity though, for sand in the lefty gears from another source.
Kanye doesn't give a rat's ass about what the PC think is in Amerika. Never did.
KW: "I just want to lead with love. I want to be about love...I love Donald Trump."
The Left: "You Hater!"
This is the same guy who said George W. Bush doesn't care about black people, right? During a nationally televised fundraiser for Katrina victims, right?
And now I'm supposed to care what he thinks and says?
Nope.
This is the same guy who said George W. Bush doesn't care about black people, right? During a nationally televised fundraiser for Katrina victims, right?
Yep. Bad, uncalled-for.
West is staking out the contrarian position. Contrarianism is often quite profitable.
Apparently the world’s second-greatest narcissist is capable of loving someone other than himself. Coincidentally, the person he loves turns out to be the world’s greatest narcissist. What are the odds?
Kanye West tries very hard to be iconoclastic. It's his thing.
>> the person he loves turns out to be the world’s greatest narcissist
We all know he loves Obama.
Hey, just because Kanye hearts Trump, doesn't mean we have to heart Kanye.
I still think he's an idiot. But, hey, to the extent he is irritating the Left, that's a good thing.
The shift of the black vote, if it happens , will scare the shit out of Democrats. This response will be ferocious.
Even a 10% shift will be huge.
Who is Candace Owens?
Lol.
Love Trumps Hate
I forget whether Kanye West is friends or enemies with Taylor Swift right now.
The greatest of these is love.
What did Kanye think of:
1) George Washington; 2) John Adams; 3) Thomas Jefferson?
They would have thought that Kanye was a runaway slave.
The Communist mind-crime left will soon squish him down.
Bay Area Guy for the win.
Kanye is no Rosie O'Donnell, is he LLR Chuck?
LOL
LLR Chuck's beloved New York Times is forced to make an obvious correction about Inga's beloved islamists:
An article on Sunday about Campbell Brown’s role as Facebook’s head of news partnerships erroneously included a reference to Palestinian actions as an example of the sort of far-right conspiracy stories that have plagued Facebook. In fact, Palestinian officials have acknowledged providing payments to the families of Palestinians killed while carrying out attacks on Israelis or convicted of terrorist acts and imprisoned in Israel; that is not a conspiracy theory.
LOL
Mislabeling inconvenient information about islamists as a "far-right conspiracy" story is exactly the kind of thing Vichy Chuck would pull...with Inga cheering him on.
Trumpit goes full Democrat. You should never go full Democrat.
Chuck, fopdoodle extraordinaire, follows closely.
@Michael K,
The shift of the black vote, if it happens , will scare the shit out of Democrats. This response will be ferocious.
Even a 10% shift will be huge.
If I may put on my "serious" hat for a nanosecond, this is exactly what I'd like to see. The 95-5% black vote for Dems is artificially contrived. Blacks would be much better off, gaining leverage in the GOP by voting, say, 25% GOP, 75% Dem.
The Dems use the black vote to support their bullshit leftwing agenda, that many blacks don't support.
Maybe Shania Twain could take a lesson in spine-growing from Kanye.
I had forgotten all about this.
TMZ report alleged it was West’s personal physician who had called the police and placed the musician on a 5150 psychiatric hold, claiming his patient “suffers from temporary psychosis due to sleep deprivation and dehydration.”
After a week under medical observation, West was released from the hospital, and on Dec. 13, he further shocked his supporters by paying a visit to Trump Tower to meet with the president-elect.
Obvious example of mental illness. Just ask Inga.
Trump-hate trumps love.
Drago said...
LLR Chuck's beloved New York Times...
When did I ever -- even once -- suggest that I loved the New York Times?
I don't care about the New York Times. And as I wrote almost a year ago, George W. Bush, Dick Cheney and Don Rumsfeld didn't much care about the Times. Bush called one of their reporters a major league asshole, right? Caught on a hot mic. Standing next to Cheney, who agreed.
Althouse, and Trump, seem to be fixated on "the Failing New York Times." The Times, which is more successful than ever (ditto the Washington Post) in the era of Trump. It seems that the more that Trump calls out the paper as "the failing New York Times," the more he is effectively making a liar out of himself.
My link:
https://althouse.blogspot.com/2017/07/next-to-top-story-of-looming-conflict.html?showComment=1499256847105#c6482487169509793900
You worthless lying bastard, Drago. I've never expressed any love for the New York Times. Long ago, I wondered why, if she liked Trump, did Althouse spend so much time and energy blogging the Times. It is now obvious to me; she's a quasi-New Yorker, like Trump. And like all New Yorkers, she's a bit wedded to the Times. They can't live without it, it seems. Obsessing about what the Times gets right and wrong.
For my part, I stick with the Wall Street Journal. Seems simple enough to me, for anybody who doesn't care for the Times Editorial Board and Publishers.
I'd prefer a leader who governs with reason. And as much as possible, leaves me the hell alone.
"This is the same guy who said George W. Bush doesn't care about black people, right? During a nationally televised fundraiser for Katrina victims, right?"
Kanye later went on the Today Show and apologized to Bush. He said he didn't understand how what he said was wrong until after the Taylor Swift/Grammys incident when he was on the receiving end of the same type of backlash.
A middle-class black nerd, Kanye has never had the street cred of his fellow rappers, and probably feels alienated by that culture.
LLR Chuck is quite grumpy these days as its becoming clear his lefty/LLR allies are failing in their unconstitutional coup attempt.
Perhaps therapy can be made available to Chuck.
I don't see how anyone who reads this blog over time can ask why I'm blogging the NYT. It's the main thing I've done for the entire 14+ years of the blog. It could practically be called — instead of "Althouse" — "Althouse Reads the New York Times."
I'm not interested in reading other people bouncing off the news. I need to bounce directly off the news. The NYT is my main news. I have a bunch of other mainstream news sites I cycle through, and that's almost all I do.
LLR Chuck: "When did I ever -- even once -- suggest that I loved the New York Times?"
The near perfect narrative/talking point alignment is the "tell"
I would humbly suggest a monthly "Who Said It?" blog posting wherein Althouse would place randomly selected offerings and "hot takes" from LLR Chuck and the NYT's and defy people to guess the origins of the comments!
Talk about a difficult task!
We just had 8 years of the stupid of being called "racist" every time we criticized the President.
For Henry: Candace Owen
Trump might be many things but stupid, or an idiot doesn't seem to me a rational descriptor. Isn't it stupid billionaire an oxymoron?
Someone has to read the NYT and, fortunately for us here, it is the Professor. She also reads the New Yorker which is beyond the call of duty.
Let me add that only in the NYT and the WaPo would Ann be able to find the inane writings with which to infuriate the commenters here. She might also find them in the Mpls Star -Tribune, but not with such breadth of inanity.
Rall, whose work I dislike intensely, (for his utter lack of talent, not for his politics), got it right, either purposely or accidentally: it is going to be a stupid 4-8 years. Perhaps Rall believed Clinton would win--in which case her true believing base would refuse to see how awful she was--or perhaps he guessed Trump might win--in which case his true believing base would refuse to see how awful he is--or perhaps he figured whoever won, the result would be the same.
And...that's correct!
I think the poster is missing an apostrophe.
I too "Love Trump's hate"
Everyone should "Love Trump's hate"
He hates all the right things and people.
So much winning.
Nope. Not tired yet.
John Henry
West Trumps Hate?
Michael K,
Would it really require a shift?
Blacks do not turn out as much as they should. Suppose the vote didn't shift, with those currently voting Demmie continuing to vote Demmie
But, suppose also a large number of blacks that don't currently vote decided that "Hey, having a job feels pretty good. Maybe I'll go vote for President Trump and his boys and girls."
That would shift the percentages without shifting actual votes.
In other words, I agree with you but I think there is another way it could happen too. I suspect we will see some of both. Perhaps a bit this year, even more in 2020.
As you note, it won't take much.
John Henry
You know, Althouse; "Drago" gulled me into what might be thought of as an attack on you. And I regret that. More than once, I have said without much sarcasm, that you "read the New York Times so that we don't have to." I am quite alright with that, between you and me. You pick up on a world of interesting, delightful stories away from and apart from Trump-era politics. Just because I like the Wall Street Journal editorial pages doesn't mean that you have to, of course. Just because you have some affinity with Scott Walker and Donald Trump (not that they are much like each other, apart from both being left-wing targets), doesn't mean that you have to like the Journal's Editorial Board.
So to you, Althouse, I am sorry.
I am not sorry to Drago, whose daily pile of personal-attack garbage posts are one of the biggest and worst sources of "clutter" on your Comments pages.
"I think the poster is missing an apostrophe." This.
Or even delete the "s." He is hated by all the right people, and their hatred is one of the best signs he's on the right track.
They would have thought that Kanye was a runaway slave.
So just like the left thinks of him today.
Drago said...
LLR Chuck: "When did I ever -- even once -- suggest that I loved the New York Times?"
The near perfect narrative/talking point alignment is the "tell"
Translation: Drago knows that I have never suggested that I love the New York Times. It is not "'my' beloved New York Times."
What Drago relies on, is the fact that occasionally, my criticism of Donald Trump is equivalent to the New York Times' criticism of Donald Trump. I guess that for Drago, that makes me poison. Somehow, for Drago, the Times much be wrong/false/mistaken 100% of the time. No one must ever be in agreement with the Times.
No matter, that I am a practicing Republican who disagrees vehemently with the Times on everything from judicial selection to guns to same-sex marriage to taxes and spending to climate change to immigration.
What the Trump-cult demands of me, is that I never criticize Trump. And never criticize Trump in any terms that might mirror the Times' criticism of Trump. 100% loyalty to Trump is what is demanded. And 100% error on the part of the Times is your expectation. It's a completely foolish position, that no one should take seriously. No one should take you seriously, Drago.
Helpless Victim Of Circumstance and #StrongSupporterOfDemAttacksOnRepublicans Chuck: "Drago" gulled me into what might be thought of as an attack on you."
LOL
It mightbe thought to be an attack on Althouse because it was an attack in Althouse.
For God's sake man, own your inexcusable behavior.
Wow, laying off blame for his own actions onto others.
Just like the Left.
Everyone should feel free to draw obvious conclusions.
"You know, Althouse; "Drago" gulled me into what might be thought of as an attack on you."
Cuck-a-doodle-do!
"Bowe Bergdahl republican" Chuck: "What the Trump-cult demands of me, is that I never criticize Trump."
That "demand" has literally never happened.
Ever.
Wow, making unsupported accusations against republicans/conservatives/Trump voters.
Just like the Left.
Everyone should feel free to draw obvious conclusions.
"In fact, Palestinian officials have acknowledged providing payments to the families of Palestinians killed while carrying out attacks on Israelis or convicted of
terrorist acts and imprisoned in Israel; that is not a conspiracy theory."
It is a theory about a conspiracy. That makes it a conspiracy theory. The fact that it happens to be true does not alter that elementary grammatical truth. The over-educated simpletons at the NYT have been smoking too much Kool-aid. They can no longer follow simple chains of logic on their own; they regard "fact" as that which has been stated, and not yet unstated, by their ideological masters.
We have a lot of conspiracy theories on the Right, and many, perhaps most of them, are true. The bastards really are out to get us, and they are certainly not above working together.
#CNNStrongDefender Chuck: "And 100% error on the part of the Times is your expectation."
Nonsense! The NYT often gets the date right.
Layers and layers of "fact" checkers there....
LOL
Yes to Ted Rall. I had had more than enough of being told that any criticism of Donald Trump's predecessor was made only because of racism and never because anyone who really wanted to look could see that Obama's policies were disasters. Don't need to be called sexist for complaining about Hillary Clinton's corruption.
Love trumps hate. And if that doesn't work, we'll shout you down, shut you down or get you fired, you hater.
Scott "I no longer care about the fucking law" Adams? That guy?
"Isn't stupid billionaire an oxymoron?"
No, it is an apt description of him.
LLR Chuck will never forgive Scott Adams for being right about so much while LLR Chuck falls by the wayside with his lefty operational allies.
Gee Chuck, if you insult Scott Adams a few more times perhaps everyone will forget how spectacularly and magnificently wrong you were about the election!
Hope springs eternal...
Over the last 15 to 25 years, a Dem/Repub axis sold US manufacturing to Mexico and China thus ruining Milwaukee, Cleveland, Buffalo, Toledo, Cincinnati - dozens of American cities - and the blacks in those ruined cities continued to vote for the Dems. But now the Republicans who support Trump have started re-industrializing and this has gotten employment up and taxes down whereas the Dems are refusing to work on re-industrializing and even talking about getting rid of cars, i.e., getting rid of the city of Detroit. Nice for the people of Detroit. But the Dems expect the blacks in the cities, including Detroit, to vote for them, anyhow. "We don't have to give them nothing; just tell them Republicans are the KKK; and give 'em a sandwich on election day; and we've got the city blacks." Pretty cynical, Dems. Maybe you should do something for your voters even if they are too poor to spend the time to see through your lies. Will your ugliness work? Maybe. And maybe Kanye West is expressing an underground thought-surge like the surge that elected Trump. So far Trump means jobs and a tax cut; so far the Dems have promised to destroy manufacturing - again - and take away the tax cut. Maybe the city blacks know the Dem agenda.
'the stupid of getting called "sexist" every time you criticized the President.' I dunno. We have the equivalent stupid of being called "sexist" because we didn't vote for her. Not even necessary to criticize her any more. Our Great Mistake will last them 4-8 years.
Just once. Just once, wouldn't it be nice if Chuck could get to post here without being subjected to a shitfest of posts from Drago. It's almost as if Drago needs to drown out Chuck's voice in case it might inspire doubts in his own mind.
"Isn't stupid billionaire an oxymoron?"
No, it is an apt description of him.
It must really be frustrating to have been outsmarted and outmanoeuvered by this moron, oxy or not.
just once. just once, wouldn't it be nice if Chuck would let us assume that his spiel hasn't change. It's almost as if Chuck gets paid to repeatedly say the same crap even though it doesn't inspire any one in any way
I think we should all chip in and supply ARM with the appropriate accoutrement befitting a blog monitor of his caliber.
We'll be sure that his role is time bound so as not to interfere with TTR's postings for which ARM has, reasonably to be sure, never said a word.......
LOL
Hahahaha
Just once. Just once, wouldn't it be nice if Chuck could avoid attacking Althouse for her choice of topics and perspective which Althouse has every right to post without being subjected to a shitfest of posts from LLR Chuck and his lefty operational allies.
It's almost as if LLR Chuck and ARM need to attack in order to drown out Althouse's voice in case it might inspire doubts in their own minds.
I'm sure I speak for the majority of Althouse's readers when I say I skip every comment that contains the word "Chuck."
Everyone needs to believe in something. Our hostess believes the New York Times IS the news.
"Isn't stupid billionaire an oxymoron?"
No, it is an apt description of him.
It must really be frustrating to have been outsmarted and outmanoeuvered by this moron, oxy or not.
_______________________________________________________________________
Trump outsmarted the peasants who voted for him based on anti-Mexican rhetoric. He is what I call Twitter trash. Please quote me on that.
"He is what I call Twitter trash. Please quote me on that."
To who ? Is anyone interested in your opinion ?
Love Trumps Hospital
Althouse needs a troll control button to eject the losers around here.
Just can't get into Scott Adams. Fan of the Dilbert strip, but Adams just seems like a total bullshit artist to me. He's the sort of "rationalist/skeptic" community version of Deepak Chopra.
The Times, which is more successful than ever (ditto the Washington Post) in the era of Trump.
Nonsense, the NYT stock price is a fraction of what it was 15-20 years ago. It's just climbed recently because of all the hysterical Hillary supporters looking for comfort.
J. Farmer,
I am not a follower either. I think his cartoons are funny but not enough to look for. His idiotic 'I know hypnotism so that gives me a deeper understanding of human neuromechanisms' seems like pure BS. Still, he isn't Bill Maher.
He WAS correct about a lot of stuff re Trump. How? Will it continue? Is he doing that whole 'make a million predictions and only fess to the correct ones' thing that he accuses others of?
I prefer to spend my time yelling at Chuck on Althouse instead.
"Blogger Beloved Commenter AReasonableMan said...
Just once. Just once, wouldn't it be nice if Chuck could get to post here without being subjected to a shitfest of posts from Drago. It's almost as if Drago needs to drown out Chuck's voice in case it might inspire doubts in his own mind."
Jeez, ARM. Don't have a nervous breakdown...
The one thing that Chuck, J. Farmer, ARM and Althouse share in common is that they are never ever wrong. About anything. Ever.
Even if history has to be sometimes changed to reflect this.
Trumpit said...
Althouse needs a troll control button to eject the losers around here.
I would really be careful what I wished for if I was you.
Don't push any red buttons.
Trump might win--in which case his true believing base would refuse to see how awful he is
What are the three worst things he has done?
"they are never ever wrong" True.
The Germans must have a word for that.
Maybe Obama planted this seed when he called Kanye a jackass in front of the whole world.
"What are the three worst things he has done?"
Spurning TPP.
Not firing Comey on day 1.
Not keeping his promise on the wall (fine by me, but politically worst).
The common theme on the left these days is: Purge the thought-crime. Putin nods.
James K said...
The Times, which is more successful than ever (ditto the Washington Post) in the era of Trump.
Nonsense, the NYT stock price is a fraction of what it was 15-20 years ago. It's just climbed recently because of all the hysterical Hillary supporters looking for comfort.
The Times just cracked the $1 billion subscription-revenue mark.
For most of the second term of the Obama Administration, the NYT stock price hovered around 13.50. It took off in 2017, hitting a high of 25 in February, and closing at more than 22 today.
https://www.cnbc.com/quotes/?symbol=NYT
(Look at the 5-year trend line on that page.)
If you want, you can say that almost all publicly-traded stock prices are up in that time period. Fine, if you want to say that. But what you cannot say is that the NYT is "failing." It isn't, any more than Ford Motor company is "failing" or Exxon is "failing" or Apple is "failing." On a percentage basis, the Times has done as well as any of those companies since 2016.
"Isn't 'stupid billionaire' an oxymoron?"
I think just about everyone can pick at least one past or present member of the House of Windsor as a counter-example.
(Look at the 5-year trend line on that page.)
You said "more successful than ever." The current stock price is around $22. 15-20 years ago it was at about $48, more than double, and closer to triple if you adjust for inflation. I already acknowledged that it has blipped up recently.
“The shift of the black vote, if it happens , will scare the shit out of Democrats. This response will be ferocious.”
If it happens, I expect that it will have a religious component. Blacks are apparently the most devout Christian demographic in the country. Esp the women. Whether you look at Church attendance, reading off and studying the Bible, or praying on a daily basis. The problem that the Dems have here is that they routinely denigrate White evangelicals, but ignore that a large percentage of their Black constituency are even more from ndamental. My guess is that they have been able to bridge this by giving Black clergy a seat at the table. That is how though that I would try to sway Black Christians through their religion. Pray with them, etc.
Thanks to Ann for her honest and prompt and even self-deprecating description of her reading of the New York Times.
I think she's acknowledging by her steady readership that the Times is the best reported and edited newspaper in the world, run by professional journalists who are not only committed to their craft but also very highly able. And she's also saying that she's made a decision about what news to trust, so I will hereafter refrain from any more jokes about how she gets her news from the Daily Mail.
On the other hand, Ann remains to blame for not adequately informing her readers about the extent of her reading. This she explains by the constraints of time. Fair enough.
Still, I bet she wishes some of her incorrigible readers would get a stronger daily dose of All the News That's Fit to Print.
And in any case, where the NYT is really failing, which is Trump's point, is in its journalism, the pathetic distortions and outright falsehoods, and the ridiculous news coverage that is just an extension of its editorial page. I'd bet even old Abe Rosenthal is turning over in his grave.
Not the wed one!
Who else think Chuck has an Althouse shine in his shabby little one bedroom apartment.
"You talking to me? You talking to me? I'm the only one here!"
Who is Candace Owens?
This is a great introduction.
She also wrote this amazing editorial.
Hate Loves Abortion
“The shift of the black vote, if it happens , will scare the shit out of Democrats. This response will be ferocious.”
If it happens, I expect that it will have a religious component.
I agree. Kanye West is another indicator, though.
Blogger John Pickering said...”... the Times is the best reported and edited newspaper in the world, run by professional journalists who are not only committed to their craft but also very highly able.”
Uh-huh.
”Correction: April 23, 2018
An earlier version of this article erroneously included a reference to Palestinian actions as an example of the sort of far-right conspiracy stories that have plagued Facebook. In fact, Palestinian officials have acknowledged providing payments to the families of Palestinians killed while carrying out attacks on Israelis or convicted of terrorist acts and imprisoned in Israel; that is not a conspiracy theory.”
https://www.nytimes.com/2018/04/21/technology/facebook-campbell-brown-news.html?mtrref=www.google.com
Blogger Trumpit said...
Althouse needs a troll control button to eject the losers around here.
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You'd be missed.
Love Trumps Chuck
John Pickering: "Still, I bet she wishes some of her incorrigible readers would get a stronger daily dose of All the News That's Fit to Print."
Indeed.
Here's something we should all read again...and again...and again as we contemplate the astonishing volume of NYT stories hidden behind anonymous sources. Sometimes a single anonymous source.
An article on Sunday about Campbell Brown’s role as Facebook’s head of news partnerships erroneously included a reference to Palestinian actions as an example of the sort of far-right conspiracy stories that have plagued Facebook. In fact, Palestinian officials have acknowledged providing payments to the families of Palestinians killed while carrying out attacks on Israelis or convicted of terrorist acts and imprisoned in Israel; that is not a conspiracy theory.
Think upon the "All The News That's Fit To Print" "quality" of the original report.
"The current stock price is around $22. 15-20 years ago it was at about $48, more than double, and closer to triple if you adjust for inflation."
How dare you respond to Chuck with actual facts!
The NYT is my main news.
That's kinda awesome.
My main news is Althouse bouncing off the NYT.
She reads it so I don't have to!
Reminder to self…
use the portal, use the portal
Blogger Trumpit said...
Althouse needs a troll control button to eject the losers around here.
--
You'd be missed.
No, she won't
I remember, maybe 15 years ago, I got a phone call--this was back when I had a "landline"--from a woman who was trying to sell subscriptions to the New York Times. I was living in Raleigh, North Carolina, and this woman, I swear, she was so convinced that I was ignorant without the New York Times.
I was like, "we have a newspaper."
I wasn't actually a registered Republican then. I was in the south so I was a Democrat-who-always-voted-Republican. They used to call us "boll weevils." I have no idea why. Anyway, I know I didn't tell this woman I was a Republican. But I might have told her that I was a boll weevil. Which probably confused the hell out of her.
Don't ask me why I was a registered Democrat who always voted for Republicans. It's hot down here and we're not in any hurry.
Anyway, when I moved to Georgia they made me pick a party, and "independent" was not allowed.
"Okay," I said, "I'm a Republican." Which is like my mini-me version of a Kanye West moment.
Oh sure, I had been voting for Republicans since I was, um, 18. But registering as a Republican? Out in the open? That was new. There are 50 million Republicans. It's a major political party. It's totally allowed. But I still had a tiny niggling sense of Uh-oh.
And it's kind of fascinating, if you think about it, how much of the Democrat party relies upon fear to keep people in line. Specifically, the fear is that you will be called a racist (if you're white), or a self-hating mentally ill person (if you're brown or black). It's shameful and evil that Democrats do this, and it would be wonderful if it stopped working for them. It would be wonderful for our country, for race relations, for ordinary people.
Bravo Walter
Mike: the Times' correction policy is part of why Ann trusts it.
As far as able, as I've remarked to Ann, the people in the Times' newsroom are doing jobs that neither she nor almost all of her readers are qualified to apply for and get. Just as they are unlikely to qualify for top spots at the Cleveland Clinic, Goldman Sachs or the Southern District of New York. I admit I get tired of the specious expertise Ann allows her readers to display.
My favorite Times correction (I’ve lost the link, unfortunately) was when they had to tell their readers that, regardless of what their article on solar power had reported, the sun does NOT rise in the west.
"...the people in the Times' newsroom are doing jobs that neither she nor almost all of her readers are qualified to apply for and get."
Prove it.
JP: "...the people in the Times' newsroom are doing jobs that neither she nor almost all of her readers are qualified to apply for and get."
They are as gods standing astride the Earth....like Jayson Blair.
So many leftist crimes to cover up and plenty of new Walter Duranty's to assist...
You’d have to have been living under a rock to believe that the claim that Palestinian officials pay the families of terrorists is just a right wing conspiracy theory.
The State Dinner speeches tonight was a one hour lesson in American History and Traditional ways of fighting for Freedom, regularly.
The Reality Showman has set the perfect backdrop to the incredible information coming out tomorrow on the ongoing long Coup D'etat launched against us by bought off corrupt insiders that make Benedict Arnold look like an impetuous boy.
I admit I get tired of the specious expertise Ann allows her readers to display.
There are other blogs. Mother Jones might be good for you and there is always HuffPoo.
A small irony here is that all the right wing bloviators would have very little to talk about without some actual reporting from the NYT, WSJ and NPR. Someone has to provide the news, the basic raw material for their otherwise untethered musings.
"...Ann allows..."
That's not the way free speech works. But I appreciate your sharing your expertise: fascism.
Note that keeping the U.S. in chaos favors others? Flood the zone no longer exclusively owned by the MSM or elites, try as they might to put it back in the box, history repeating, ala the church trying to put Luther back in the box, our adversaries on the world stage put AI assisted golems on both sides to keep the majority in chaos. E.g. T wants to outlaw abortion rather than make it a local issue and/or an opt out, which is the same which they say is the same as requiring coat hanger back alley abortions. Even though technology has made locality not matter. T. said he wouldn’t touch a settled mater. Would be better if it were a local issue and not be coerced across all. Someone may yet be able to find a splitting the baby solution for (ouch). perhaps conscientious objector tax credit checkbox Don’t bloody my hands please and do this in other moral areas as well. War. AGW, widely argued regs, etc. The reference to Paul’s 2nd made me fall out of my chair. It’s the free will clause. You must not use force, power of the state to force your view of a widely believed moral posture. We must permit tremendous evil, to allow people to save themselves, and forced charity means nothing. When T and the evangelical agreed in public that Paul’s 2nd is all that matters”? “right”? The rest is good theater” Right, No free will, and you’re a tool, a worm.
ARM,
Slightly rewriting DNC press releases is the basic raw material the NYT providea.
The God Emperor has put on a tariff on Canadian newsprint that has led to several newspapers laying off many of the lying scumbags they call journalists.
I propose a 200% tariff that will drive these enemies of the people out of business.
He needs to do everything he can to encourage the destruction of the main stream media. Up to and including doxxing of the home addresses and physical attacks by outraged normals.
The courrpt and elitist press needs to be scrounged out of existence like the pestilential vermin they are.
"It's going to be stupid 4 to 8 years" seems pretty accurate to me.
There's a lot stupid available.
"A small irony here is that all the right wing bloviators would have very little to talk about without some actual reporting from the NYT, WSJ and NPR."
There are dozens of news organizations which provide actual reporting, ARM, not just those three progressive outlets.
Speaking of WSJ - this is good.
The Elitists’ Trump Excuse
His critics may be more corrupting to democracy and decency than he is
The election and its aftermath have been an education in how the smart set responds when the American people refuse the judgment of their self-styled betters. In its most honest form, it is the “Resist!” movement. In the more genteel version, it turns out to mean not just opposing Mr. Trump’s policies, which people can reasonably do, but throwing fairness and principle to the wind so long as it might help bring down the 45th president. Consider:
• In the thick of the 2016 election, the New York Times ran a front-page article in which it advertised that the particular dangers posed by Mr. Trump’s candidacy meant that the long-held norm of journalism—objectivity—might have to give way to a more oppositional approach.
• Good liberals once found the idea of spying on American citizens without just cause unconscionable. But when the target is a former Trump campaign associate, it becomes OK to get a warrant based on an unverified dossier paid for by the Hillary Clinton campaign.
• James Clapper, President Obama’s director of national intelligence, revised procedures to make it easier for executive branch officials to “unmask” the names of Americans in intelligence reports and share the information among themselves, making leaks all but inevitable. The illegal leak of Mike Flynn’s name in connection with a phone conversation with Russia’s ambassador was one result. But again, it doesn’t matter because he was a Trump transition official.
• When Sally Yates was acting attorney general and President Trump issued an executive order on immigration she objected to, Ms. Yates ordered the entire Justice Department not to obey, despite a finding from the department’s Office of Legal Counsel that the order was lawful. She was applauded in her insubordination by Andrew Weissmann, then a Justice attorney, who now serves on Special Counsel Robert Mueller’s team. But it’s all for a good cause, right?
• In the middle of a #MeToo moment ostensibly all about more respect for women, the president’s press secretary, Sarah Sanders, has been derided as everything from a “summer whore” to “a slightly chunky soccer mom.” Though the columnist who wrote the latter has since apologized, the accomplished Mrs. Sanders must wonder what happened to “when they go low, we go high?”
• The pardon power enjoyed by the president is among the most unfettered in the Constitution. But because the president is Mr. Trump, and the pardon for controversial Arizona sheriff Joe Arpaio, the Ninth U.S. Circuit Court of Appeals has opted for lawlessness: appointing a special prosecutor to investigate the pardon’s legitimacy, in clear violation of the separation of powers.
Meanwhile, week after week, the same people who accuse Mr. Trump of lacking depth and nuance toss off allusions to Hilter, Stalin and a parade of murderous dictators. Channeling Mrs. Clinton, they insist that anyone who would chose Mr. Trump over her—or God forbid, agree to serve in a Trump administration—isn’t just wrong but forever morally tainted.
The people aren’t stupid. The 63 million Americans who voted for Mr. Trump—some as an unappealing but better alternative to Mrs. Clinton, but many with gusto—recognize that what is going on here is a concerted effort to overturn the results of a legitimate presidential election. Is it really unreasonable to ask whether this might be as much of a threat to American democracy as anything Mr. Trump has said or done?
Althouse needs a troll control button to eject the losers around here.
Like this one?
"Someone has to provide the news,"
Lots of places have news. Althouse might just use whats convenient to Althouse. Or it might be a matter of habit. Or it might be because if it comes out in the Times it means more, to someone in some caste or class, than something in the WSJ.
It took us years to break out of our major newspaper-and-magazine habit. We would spend almost $1000 a year on magazine and newspaper subscriptions, besides the stuff we got at work.
ALL of this can be replaced with online sources.
Fabi said...
There are dozens of news organizations which provide actual reporting
There actually aren't, and there are fewer and fewer with each passing year with fewer and fewer resources.
I have a subscription to the NYT not because I think it is a good paper, it isn't, but because we need to keep these news sources alive. I used to have a subscription to the WSJ as well but have let that lapse. If they get into financial difficulties I will get one again. Good reporting, or even barely adequate reporting, is what keeps democracies democracies.
ARM: "A small irony here is that all the right wing bloviators would have very little to talk about without some actual reporting from the NYT, WSJ and NPR."
What an astonishingly narrow perspective.
As if news organizations throughout the rest of the world could not provide plenty of fodder for discussion.
tsk tsk
#TheWorldDoesNotEndAtOurBorders
buwaya said...
ALL of this can be replaced with online sources.
But those sources are largely just secondary sources. It is like saying I don't have to buy CDs anymore I can just use Napster. Yes can game the system but the end result is not pretty.
Chuckles said ... "So to you, Althouse, I am sorry.
I am not sorry to Drago, whose daily pile of personal-attack garbage posts are one of the biggest and worst sources of "clutter" on your Comments pages."
Methinks this boy got beat up a lot in the sixth grade.
Sometimes the teachers looked on with satisfaction.
ARM, like all leftists, has a strictly static view of the world and cannot comprehend that if the aforementioned organizations did not exist then other organizations would inevitably have arisen to fill any potential information vacuums.
Drago said...
As if news organizations throughout the rest of the world
Yeah everyone is hanging on with bated breath for Hannity's thoughts on the latest from Paris Match.
“It's almost as if Drago needs to drown out Chuck's voice in case it might inspire doubts in his own mind."
He’s a propagandist, he needs to keep the Trumpists’ distracted.
Drago’s on par with Hannity.
Does the law matter anymore
https://m.washingtontimes.com/news/2018/apr/24/daca-restart-ordered-federal-judge/
Yada yadda:
http://mobile.abc.net.au/news/2018-04-23/did-alexander-downer-meet-trump-campaign-aide/9689420?pfmredir=sm
Prioritoez,seem to be skewed:https://m.washingtontimes.com/news/2018/apr/24/claim-71-percent-fbis-foreign-counterintelligence-/
"There actually aren't, and there are fewer and fewer with each passing year with fewer and fewer resources. "
That's because they hog advertising $ (and Google more so). These are an oligopoly.
If they died outright and broke the market open you would have a mass of small agile players. Who could, probably, afford a mass of old-style uncredentialed reporters.
That's whats been happening on Youtube for instance, which the PTB are trying to stamp out. I'm a great fan of Youtube.
"Hannity's thoughts on the latest from Paris Match."
And why not a US edition of Paris Match?
There's one for Hola.
And the Daily Mail.
And even the Guardian.
.
What do we have here:
https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.kmov.com/story/38021900/attorney-claims-to-have-received-mysterious-100k-cash-payment-before-greitens-story-broke
Dickin’ reminded: “In the thick of the 2016 election, the New York Times ran a front-page article in which it advertised that the particular dangers posed by Mr. Trump’s candidacy meant that the long-held norm of journalism—objectivity—might have to give way to a more oppositional approach.”
I remember when that happened. Althouse probably blogged about that ad. What’s the backstory behind the Trump/NYT animosity? Not being a New Yorker, I never much cared for what must have then been local news. I realize it goes back decades. Is there an objective account of that backstory? Trump was a democrat and so was probably more in line with the NYT’s politics. When and how did the bad blood arise? Was it feuding between individuals like Maureen Dowd? Let’s put a finger on the beef that the NYT has with Trump.
But she seemed so sincere:
https://www.google.com/amp/www.stltoday.com/news/local/crime-and-courts/judge-mulls-greitens-attempt-to-disqualify-st-louis-circuit-attorney/article_cd7515a1-2b08-5a65-a1be-f280e1007aa7.amp.html
I'm not saying that Kanye's a gold digger.
But he's not giving his political support to any broke bros.
ARM: "Yeah everyone is hanging on with bated breath for Hannity's thoughts on the latest from Paris Match."
Note to self, ARM believe Hannity is an example of the foreign press.
Additional note to self: type more slowly for ARM.
Trump was declasse in the wrong way, which should be sufficient to make him distasteful to the Times.
The more popular press, or television, that's something else. Trump is a fascinating, entertaining character, a showman, a natural. A source for never-ending gossip.
But no, they did not do the natural thing, and have fun with it. Something else is at work.
You know, ARM seems particularly grumpy these days.
Looks like that Hillary funded and conceived collusion lie isn't going too well.....
And whaddya know, if the rumors are correct then it appears that Andrew McCabe might very well have issued a stand down order on the fake FBI Clinton Email "investigation" (whitewash).
Uh oh.
That's not going to look good in Horowitz' report....
buwaya: "And why not a US edition of Paris Match?
There's one for Hola.
And the Daily Mail.
And even the Guardian"
shhhhhhhhhhhh....
Too many words for ARM....
"There actually aren't"
Yes there are. The top twenty five or more newspapers have their own reporters; the big broadcast and cable networks have their own reporters; and dozens of blogs have their own reporters. There are also a few dozen national and international news content providers with their own reporters.
Since ARM clearly believes that journalistic entities cannot exist outside the existence of the NYT, WP and NPR, how did other journalistic entities exist prior to the creation of the NYT/WP/NPR?
I'll just get a cool drink and wait for the brilliance and insight to wash over me from the Usual Suspects.
Come to think of it, I think I just may have to be insulted on the part of Ted Turner, just out of principle as we laugh at ARM's latest risible assertion.
I’ve often wondered what would happen if a President ordered that all federal subscriptions to the NYT and WP be cancelled. I suspect they would lose half their readership.
Jack Wayne: "I’ve often wondered what would happen if a President ordered that all federal subscriptions to the NYT and WP be cancelled. I suspect they would lose half their readership."
CNN actually installs the infrastructure and equipment and then pays additional fees to airports to carry their signal.
Which is why walking through many airports is like listening to piped in propaganda one is subjected to when undergoing waterboarding in POW-SERE training in the military.
Fabi said...
Yes there are.
The regional newspapers are largely dead, the radio stations are on skeleton crews or dead, the weekly magazines are a shadow of their former selves.
There are a few new news sources, like the Intercept, Breitbart or Vox, but these are funded by oligarchs with an agenda, not exactly the most reliable sources of news and unlikely to last for the long haul.
Ah, yes, the vaunted New York Times. Sending a crack reporter, Amy Chozick, to cover Hill. Here's WaPo on this brilliant journalist's memoirs:
". . . Hillary, whose media strategy amounted to her ignoring us.
The “us” here includes Chozick and the other reporters following the Clinton campaign. She is indignant whenever Clinton disregards them, and she obsesses over what the candidate thinks of her. “I still wanted, more than anything, for Hillary to see me as a fair reporter,” Chozick worries early in the race. “She really, really hates me,” Chozick moans to her husband over the phone during a stop in Iowa. “The less I interacted with Hillary,” Chozick writes as campaign reporters seem to get less and less access to Clinton, “the greater her imperial hold on my brain became.”
Yes, she chases Hillary. But it is Chozick who gets caught.
Memoirs are supposed to be self-involved — that’s the point of the exercise. The thing about Chozick’s memoir, though, is that it’s also about being self-involved. In her mind, Chozick’s connection to Clinton assumes epic dimensions. “Ours was destined to be an impossible, tortured, and unrelentingly tense relationship weighed down by old grudges and fresh grievances,” she writes. “To Hillary, I was a big ego with no brain and no amount of cordial small talk could make up for the bad blood between her world and mine.” For a second you almost forget that Clinton is running against Trump."
This person, we are told, is an indispensable purveyor of news, a source we cannot do without.
I'm almost tempted to restart the subscription I let lapse after that bunch of traitors revealed, for no reason whatsoever, how we were going after terrorist financing.
Beloved Commenter AReasonableMan said...
A small irony here is that all the right wing bloviators would have very little to talk about without some actual reporting from the NYT, WSJ and NPR.
The last time I listened to NPR I was living in New Hampshire in 1995.
The NYT I subscribe only because Althouse links. I got tired of being told I had read my 5 articles for the month.
The WSJ I have subscribed to for 40 years and I am getting tired of the leftist slant of the front page.
I get my news from other sources, including reading. You should try it.
ARM: "There are a few new news sources, like the Intercept, Breitbart or Vox, but these are funded by oligarchs with an agenda"
LOL
NYT/WashPost/NPR
Pinch Sulzberger and Carlos Slim, Jeff Bezos, apparently not oligarchs.
And apparently the NYT/WP/NPR have no agenda.
Too funny.
like the Intercept, Breitbart or Vox, but these are funded by oligarchs with an agenda, not exactly the most reliable sources of news and unlikely to last for the long haul.
Like the 19th century. Do you know any history?
"how did other journalistic entities exist prior to the creation of the NYT/WP/NPR?"
There has been a huge amount of consolidation.
Many of these failed due to the loss of local advertising, squeezed out by more centralized sources like Craigslist, but also for "prestige" placements, the NYT and etc.
The other thing is extreme cost increases within the consolidated venues. These hire expensive people in expensive cities. It makes it difficult to hire an adventurous kid out of High School or an officer on leave who wants to report on the Iraq War as a sideline on campaign (what the London Times used to do for foreign correspondents).
There are vastly fewer but more expensive reporters, who concentrate on the very narrow subset of the world (somewhere in Washington or NY mainly) that matters to their owners.
Who does he think Pulitzer and Hearst and Ogden Reid was:
https://www.google.com/amp/amp.dailycaller.com/2018/04/24/obama-lawyer-mueller-manafort/
"oligarchs with an agenda"
The oligarchs, as Michael K notes, have always been there. But the oligarchs in the old days were competitive with each other. You could get two papers and get two opinions.
buwaya: " You could get two papers and get two opinions."
Because the old oligarchs were highly competitive and always seeking advantage.
Today's media oligarchs seek social acceptance above all else creating the monolithic lefty viewpoint and herd mentality.
Absolutely nothing you posted at 9:50 PM refutes my claim that there are dozens of independent news content providers with their own reporters, ARM. Admit it.
Other than that, how was the play, Mrs. Lincoln?
James K said...
"(Look at the 5-year trend line on that page.)"
You said "more successful than ever." The current stock price is around $22. 15-20 years ago it was at about $48, more than double, and closer to triple if you adjust for inflation. I already acknowledged that it has blipped up recently.
Aha. Now I see your point. It pains me, but I am forced to admit that you are right. I used a figure of speech, "more successful than ever" in describing the Times and the fact is that the Times, like virtually every other newspaper, is not as dominant a feature of the world's news (and therefore diminished financially) than before, say, the dawn of the internet revolution. It's funny, but the Wall Street Journal may be a notable exception that proves that particular rule.
So I was wrong to say that the New York Times is "more successful than ever." It is probably "more successful than any time in this young century." But hardly any newspaper can any more claim that it is "more successful than ever." Including the Times. And again, of course, the New York Times is not "failing," in any financial sense and it is not "failing" in any journalistic sense.
Good and thoughtful conservative critics have gone after lots of the editorial decisions made by the Times. Bernard Goldberg; Jonah Goldberg; Brent Bozell; there are many interesting (and largely NeverTrump) conservatives who know a good bit about criticizing the liberal media. I'd never want to defend everything coming out of the Times. Just as I'd never want to try to criticize everything coming out of the Times.
I want to be clear about language, including when I have made an error. I want to be nothing like Donald Trump, who is routinely unclear in his language and who has almost never admitted when he is wrong or when he has misspoken.
LLR Chuck: "I want to be nothing like Donald Trump...."
Too late, except for the success, and delivering the most conservative year in American politics in 60 years.
That's all Trump.
Not you.
Hes,a blunt instrument, on balance he has moved to conservative ends.
Jonah Goldberg is a #nevertrumper. Goldberg says that he did not vote for Trump or Hillary. Goldberg has a new book out, and I've purchased it. Goldberg is a unique thinker on the Right -- he views policy from a interesting positions. He does not like to repeat argumetns he has heard uncritically.
I feel a bit sorry for Jonah Goldberg. The Clintons hate him because his mother, Lucianne Goldberg, worked with Linda Tripp to expose the Clinoton/Lewinsky affair. Trump hates Goldberg because he has said intemperate things about Trump. And Trump is in the habit personalizing his hates.
I haven't read Goldberg's new book yet, but I hope to find some contrition in it. The mainstream "conservative" movement has failed utterly. The best example I can think that proves this is the the ERA -- the Equal Rights Amendment -- failed to pass, but all of its provisions, and more, have been implemented over the last four decades by the courts and the administrative state. These are the least "republican" institutions in our government. And this while the nominally conservative, constitutionalist Republican party has held congress for 24 of the last 28 years, and held the presidency for 19 of the last 37 years.
Whatever establishment conservatism is, it has failed utterly, and it needs to be reformed..
Beloved Commenter AReasonableMan said...
A small irony here is that all the right wing bloviators would have very little to talk about without some actual reporting from the NYT, WSJ and NPR. Someone has to provide the news, the basic raw material for their otherwise untethered musings.
Just when you think democrats can't be any more stupid.
The problem for ARM is he thinks there is only one truth and all that other information we have that he refuses to acknowledge doesn't count.
Because reality and leftism are not friends.
Have fun cheering for "Russian Collusion" moron.
Chuck said...
I want to be clear about language, including when I have made an error. I want to be nothing like Donald Trump, who is routinely unclear in his language and who has almost never admitted when he is wrong or when he has misspoken.
Nobody likes you Chuck. You are a disingenuous asshole. Republican voters don't want open borders never ending wars "free" crony capitalist trade deals. The Neocons and COC cronies are all democrats now.
Romney came in second at the caucus in Utah to a real republican. Only gobs of globalist cash will pull him through in the primary. McMuffin is getting sued by his former campaign employees. Nobody will ever care who the Bushes endorse again. Nobody is more useless than Billy Kristol. Exactly 2 people give a shit what he says now.
Trump and the people who support border security and Americans first policy own the party now. The best part of this movement is we took the party from the traitors and thieves.
Begone.
Achilles,
Aside from Chuck’s monomania, is it possible that the people at the NR, many ‘cucks,’ many Mormons, more libertarian and non-believing conservatives are actually still part of your coalition if they still have the common enemy of the radical Left?
Is it Jonah Goldberg who might be correct in describing a cruder, populist fuck you establishment Trumpism as partially misguided and following a path of greater Europeanization and identity politics (a more character challenged, semi principled NYC real estate developer taking up your interests)...or might you be correct in describing a more European, Popperian, Schumpeterian libertarianism conservatism sometimes reflexively attacking Trump, being wired into the establishment which has often compromised and potentially abandoned many conservative principles?
Can’t you both be correct in many ways? Don’t you still have the same enemies of the radical Left wielding a lot of cultural and political influence and relentlessly seeking power over the institutions they don’t see as legitimate?
@Gahrie:
The one thing that Chuck, J. Farmer, ARM and Althouse share in common is that they are never ever wrong. About anything. Ever.
Even if history has to be sometimes changed to reflect this.
For example?
@Achilles:
Trump and the people who support border security and Americans first policy own the party now. The best part of this movement is we took the party from the traitors and thieves.
Oh, if only this were true! John Bolton and Mike Pompeo, for example, are not America Firsters. They are internationalist who want to keep us mired in middle east conflicts. Also, which prominent Republican congressman do you consider major supporters of a border security/America First approach? I wish your statement was correct, but I think it sorely underestimates the resiliency of GOP INC.
To paraphrase Althouse.
Wouldn't it be nice if just once you two posted something interesting. Failing that. Post something genuinely funny. Not your usual,"If it happens to someone you don't like funny"
Curious.
Shrine!
If I were Althouse I'd check the rear view mirror every time I went out.
Shit. Chuck is one major disappointment away from mailing Althouse body parts.
For people still checking this thread and n need of some NYT bashing, had over to NR, where Kyle Smith nicely reviews the Chozick screed:
"Amy Chozick, the Times’ Hillary embed in 2016, confesses in her new book Chasing Hillary: Ten Years, Two Presidential Campaigns, and One Intact Glass Ceiling that she cried when she wrote about Clinton’s defeat, that she had been “an admirer . . . chasing this luminous figure” since meeting Clinton as an awed child at a signing event for It Takes a Village, that she has dreams in which the two of them are buddies trying on clothes together at Zara, that “it felt damn good” to “bask in the girl power” when Clinton clinched the Democratic nomination, that a campaign video praising Clinton meant for the Democratic convention (but never used) “gave me the chills,” that when she touched Clinton’s shoulder at a party she “felt the luscious satin of her chartreuse tunic beneath my palm,” and that she thought Clinton’s email scandal was no more a matter of national interest than Bristol Palin’s pregnancy had been. Chozick sounds like Peter Daou or any other Clinton crony when she excoriates voters who say, “They’d vote for a woman, just not THAT woman. . . . I wanted to scream at every critic that thirty years of sexist attacks had turned her into that woman. That sooner or later, the higher we climb, the harder we work, we all become that woman.”
With reporters like these, who needs flacks? Chozick is such a Hillary fangirl that in the book she continues to protect Clinton’s ruthless, nasty, paranoid band of aides by granting them anonymity."
And so on.
Clearly, we are dealing with the premier news source in the world.
Just once. Just once, wouldn't it be nice if Chuck could get to post here without being subjected to a shitfest of posts from Drago.
DENIED. I skip Chuck and read the Drago response to get the flavor of the whine du jour.
just once, wouldn't it be nice if Chuck would let us assume that his spiel hasn't change. It's almost as if Chuck gets paid to repeatedly say the same crap even though it doesn't inspire any one in any way
ENDORSED. Yes, yes it is.
Althouse needs a troll control button to eject the losers around here.
Just eject yourself, Troll.
the people in the Times' newsroom are doing jobs that neither she nor almost all of her readers are qualified to apply for and get.
Oh, Pickering what do you smoke before posting this shit? The only "profession" that has lower average college grades than "journalism" majors is teaching majors. It literally requires no expertise, no rigorous study. It is a "profession" only in the self-declared way that prostitution is a "profession" and it shares many traits with those who choose that career path. Among those is a lack of ethical standards, inability to reason well (in a classical sense), and a penchant for lying to in the course of their "work." Whatever you imagine the "qualifications" to be a journalist to be, I'd sure like to see you list.
What was Ben Rhode's quote regarding the Iran deal? Oh yeah, "the press is made up of 27-year-olds who literally know nothing." Yeah, Obama's team knew who they were dealing with.
I've always found Rall wrong, the few times I've read him.
Jeez, ARM. Don't have a nervous breakdown...
Speak for yourself.
the people in the Times' newsroom are doing jobs that neither she nor almost all of her readers are qualified to apply for and get - Pickering
Bullshit. I used to be a news director. It ain't rocket science.
Being a member of the press is one of the easiest jobs out there. Especially print.
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