1. "Now that Russian collusion, after one year of intense study, has proven to be a total hoax on the American public, the Democrats and their lapdogs, the Fake News Mainstream Media, are taking out the old Ronald Reagan playbook and screaming mental stability and intelligence....."
2. "....Actually, throughout my life, my two greatest assets have been mental stability and being, like, really smart. Crooked Hillary Clinton also played these cards very hard and, as everyone knows, went down in flames. I went from VERY successful businessman, to top T.V. Star....."
3. "....to President of the United States (on my first try). I think that would qualify as not smart, but genius....and a very stable genius at that!"
Well played, those cards.
I like the mix of joviality and lightweight cruelty.
ADDED: The NYT, reporting on the tweets, quotes Yale School of Medicine forensic psychiatrist Bandy X. Lee. She's the editor of “The Dangerous Case of Donald Trump: 27 Psychiatrists and Mental Health Experts Assess a President,” and she's met with "about a dozen" congressional Democrats to discuss the Trump-is-nuts crisis:
“The level of concern by the public is now enormous.... They’re telling us to speak more loudly and clearly and not to stop until something is done because they are terrified.”AND: I just listened to Scott Adams's Periscope on the subject of these tweets. Adams, justly claiming expertise as a writer of short, effective sentences, declares these particular Trump tweets "absolute genius." Adams is especially impressed by Trump's use of a word — "genius" — that his enemies won't be able to resist repeating over and over and doing Trump's work of linking his name to the idea of "genius" (and not just genius, but "very stable genius"). Adams also makes fun of the people who are going to be saying his use of "like, really smart" is inherently self-refuting, on the theory that only a Valley-Girl-type person litters her speech with "like." Here's an example of that kind of anti-Trump tweet:
"Being, like, really smart". One word changes the tenor of a sentence 😂 https://t.co/cLVr9qtHfN
— Raf Diallo (@Raftastico) January 6, 2018
That guy is not only missing the humor and the "folksiness" (to use Adams's word), he is himself using a word — one word — that makes him sound like a pedantic elitist.
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1 – 200 of 253 Newer› Newest»I remember the Reagan years very well, and I have marveled at how closely the press has played the same game since the beginning of this administration.
My Son however....
Well played, those cards
He's not playing cards. He's pushing buttons.
He won the white women's vote because they liked the thought of him pushing their button.
Yeah, I thought of the way the media tried to smear Reagan when the crooks started that with Trump.
I voted for him. I'm glad he won. But he is an idiot.
"...as being, like, really smart."
Nothing like having a 14 year old boy as President...fer shure!
"He's not playing cards."
It's his metaphor, not mine.
"...lightweight cruelty."
Not to be confused with "bone crushing cruelty".
Or our local favorite: "cruel neutrality".
It's simply not believable that he's stupid.
I see that assertion again and again, but given his achievements, it makes no sense. Why do people keep saying that? Is it all they have? That's quite a concession.
And as to Bannon and the book, here is Larry Kudlow's take.
"There were two big money-and-politics stories in the first week of the new year: The Dow Jones soared 577 points and Steve Bannon ended his political career. Are these two events related? Perhaps more than you might think. Bannon’s peculiar notions of populism were essentially anti-growth. He believed higher taxes, ultra-protectionism, and a cheap dollar would help the middle class. Supply-siders like me know these policies only damage the economy, with the middle and lower classes suffering the most. And though Bannon was pushed out of the White House months ago, he apparently still had the president’s ear. So his influence has continued to worry investors and business. But Bannon went belly-up politically this week, and the stock market soared. And some are calling it the Bannon-is-gone rally."
http://www.nationalreview.com/article/455204/steve-bannons-wolff-book-political-suicide-boosts-stock-market
Heh. He is a Twitter genius.
He really is a genius. A genius like we have never seen.
But can he beat the MSM and Deep State? That remains to be seen.
I view the Wolfe book as the declaration of Civil War. As in the real Civil War, much will be ride upon who is doing the fighting. Much will depend on Wray and Sessions. Two big question marks there.
If it is learned that Point Shaver Strzok and his buddies were bribed in bitcoin by the Clintons, then even the NYT will have to sue for peace.
Watching the likes of Joy Reid, Maggie Haberman and the rabid Morning Joe crew, I like our chances. Steve Bannon, however, remains the wild card.
I'm glad that Democrats are terrified. Real people felt real suffering for the eight years of Obama, with the enthusiastic support of Democrats. Terror? How about finding out that you you are paying enormous sums of money for healthcare coverage with such a high deductible that it's essentially worthless? How about finding that the EPA has closed your factory and now you're on unemployment?
I LOLed at Top T.V. Star.
Great name for a band.
If that Yale psychiatrist is truly terrified of Donald Trump, then she is the crazy one.
I especially enjoyed the Reagan reference by Trump. Remember Ronald Rea-guns? Nuclear warfare on the horizon? Dumb as a bag of hammers? And yet Reagan's life was riddled with successes. Just the like the current occupant of the White House.
I really am coming around to Trump being the third term of Reagan. George Will, Bill Kristol, LLR, Jonah Goldberg hardest hit.
They have suffered from an acutely phobic response to the ascendancy of one of their own, who left the estate to seek saner pastures. He was supposed to be satiated and compliant, as Reagan before him. Trump has raised the stakes, and called them, and NOW the psycho minority is projecting fast and furious.
This is the exact same shit Johnson used against Goldwater, I can say as somebody who remember s actually seeing the "Daisy Ad" on TV as a small child. Talk about a guy who waved his dick around, that would be LBJ! Democrat, so it was all good. We had to wait for Biden to see his like again.
“The level of concern by the public is now enormous.... They’re telling us to speak more loudly and clearly and not to stop until something is done because they are terrified.”
This has been true since Election Day within a particular segment of the public. To present it as something new or different is disingenuous at best.
It's a particularly bad reading of Trump, but there are lots of academic postmodern memes still to try.
Humor isn't among them so it may be a while.
If the good doctor hasn't enough information that she could ethically write President Trump a prescription, she shouldn't be offering us her opinion on his medical fitness. Period. (I work in the estate planning field. Determining whether someone is mentally competent is a very complex question that often requires both attorney and doctor to consult with each other, after extensive interactions with the patient/client. It's NOT something you can determine long distance.)
They also said the same things about Washington, Adams, Lincoln, Grant, and Eisenhower.
Some folks never learn.
We're supposed to believe that the hysteria about Russia meddling in our elections is intelligent and mentally healthy.
The reason people are so upset with the tweets is Trump uses them to fight back and to set the record straight. When the liberal looneys are upset, it's a good thing. And when the conservative get upset, it doesn't reflect well on them either.
Any one who is truly "terrified" should have completely sold all of their equities and started ala LDS practice explaining cash for stockpiled food and supplies.
I wish in interviews idiots like this Yale prof would be asked more often what they have done in their personal lives in response to their terror. What are they stockpiling? What have they done with the cash after liquidating all of their market investments?
Bunch of dishonest assholes.
Brandy X. Lee of Yale should be censored by her professional association. Unprofessional and reckless.
Opinion masquerading as science in the service of politics. Truly deplorable.
General George McClellan in a letter to his wife called Abraham Lincoln a gorilla.
I take the analysis of Democrat psychiatrists as seriously as I do that of Communist psychiatrists 'analyzing' political dissidents: untrustworthy.
Dear Democrats in Congress:
If you are truly terrified, then win the House and Senate in 2018.
Trump being the third term of Reagan
Maybe. Hopefully. It's hard to tell, when JournoLists of the fourth estate are galloping with blaring bullhorns, and cards are dealt to leftists and Pro-Choice Republicans. The the cacophony, the dissonance is deafening.
“The level of concern by the public is now enormous.... They’re telling us to speak more loudly and clearly and not to stop until something is done because they are terrified.”
So now the psychiatrists want to lead a witch hunt.
They are being Called To Lead by the terrified masses. Probably nice to be on the side of paranoia and hysteria for once.
Is there a profession that will not have its reputation in tatters over the next few years?
- james james
Jake Tapper drops the mask of objectivity: https://twitter.com/jaketapper/status/949645918307012608
There are other usages of 'genius.'
an exceptional natural capacity of intellect, especially as shown in creative and original work in science, art, music, etc.
IQ isn't the defining factor, Jimmy Carter had a very high IQ, it's the ability to create a new reality. ADHD is a strong driver of creativity, especially if combined with a high IQ, you purge it from your organization at your peril.
Oh yeah, and percentage of times a person agrees with you is a poor proxy for IQ, despite what many here seem to think.
I'm part of the public and I'm not terrified or even concerned.
I do not want some Yale shrink to "do something" unless it is to get out of the way
John Henry
If that Yale psychiatrist is truly terrified of Donald Trump, then she is the crazy one.
Psychiatrists never seem to miss an opportunity to remind people that they are often in that field to deal with their own mental issues.
More on Brandy X Lee.
She has been teaching students studying to be public defenders and to become asylum attorneys at Yale Law School since 2003, and a Global Health Studies course of her design,
That explains a lot.
Want to see mentally unfit?
Someone spoofed on the internet that Trump watches the Gorilla Channel 17 hours a day. The Commie-pinkos on the left bought it hook, line, and sinker. Who's crazy? Mentally unstable?
Trump is truly blessed in his critics. The criticism's like Hillary Rodham Clinton's book, an auto hatchet job.
I do not know how smart Trump is, but he is certainly smarter than his opponents.
This forensic psychiatrist is violating her code of ethics in two ways. First, she should not make a diagnosis without a through examination of the patient.
Second, psychiatrists are not really trained in objective assessment. They are experts in prescribing psychotropic medicine. Psychologists are trained experts in assessment. That's why I get a lot of referrals from psychiatrists.
“The level of concern by the public is now enormous..." says Dr. Brandy X. Lee (that's a made-up name, right?).
I don't think that most anyone who supports Trump or the GOP (sorry, Chuck) believes this at all. Trump is entertaining and not very presidential (he could wear out his welcome), but he is pretty much behaving the way he always has. This nonsense is just another way of saying that Dr. Brandy X. Lee voted for the other person, and so did a lot of her friends. Well, boo-hoo.
I always that that Obama was a completely empty person who drifted effortlessly upward on the goodwill of others...he was the dream-figure Magic Negro come to bring peace to all mankind(See: Nobel Peace Prize for nothing). Psychoanalize that, Dr. Brandy.
Ann,
Agree that he can't have accomplished all he has if he is not genius level smart.
OTOH we had 8 years of people telling us what a genius Obama was and no accomplishments to point to.
Unless he was a willing trojan horse for liberals like the metcers and kochs
John Henry
Consider the guy they all thought was brilliant. Obama made all these people feel smart. He flattered their sense of importance, their worldview. They were the elite, the powerful, the movers and shakers. All busy making a new world.
Trump knows that these are in large part overeducated idiots living off of the hard work of the US taxpayer. His attitude towards them oozes not with condescension. In his world stupid people were the bureaucrats, and he steamrolled over them. The press were his sales agents. Politicians were to be bought and sold like cement, brick and glass. What is the word you use to describe that view of people?
They are acting like Hillary and the Democrats did when rejected by the electorate.
It's simply not believable that he's stupid.
People can believe anything they want to, or in this case need to.
I see that assertion again and again, but given his achievements, it makes no sense.
Sure it does. He's a Republican isn't he? They have been saying this about every Republican going back as least as far as Ford.
Why do people keep saying that?
It makes them feel better. Plus the Left is so convinced that it represents the truth that they believe anyone that doesn't agree with them has to either be stupid or evil, or usually both. It's why Obama called us bitter clingers and Hillary called us Depolorables.
Is it all they have?
Pretty much. real world results tell a much different tale.
That's quite a concession.
You would think.....
Regarding the Yale psychiatrist, isn't it unethical to give a psychiatric diagnosis, without examining the patient?
These psycho-babblers tried the same thing with Goldwater in '64. Won't work this time.
The "Get Trump" Squad is so clumsy, dishonest and over-reaching, that it continually pushes me towards the Trump camp.
I have a process question for Althouse; do you suppose that Trump has switched to voice recognition to produce his Tweets?
There is this line from this morning’s Trump tweet; “….Actually, throughout my life, my two greatest assets have been mental stability and being, like, really smart...”
When I have actually, like, typed something like that on these comments pages, it has been satire. (And I have, like, definitely done that.). Nobody writes like that normally. But Trump talks like that.
I am interested in Trump’s Twitter processes, because I don’t think we have heard the last of this story:
http://thehill.com/homenews/administration/362967-trump-tweet-on-firing-flynn-for-lying-to-fbi-was-authored-by-trumps
"...editor of 27 Psychiatrists and Mental Health Experts Assess a President,”
We're so thankful she took it upon herself.
The people of NYC have been in a fetal position since November 9, 2016. There seems to be no abatement. Trump can, at will, turn them into a bowl of mushy peas. One minute they're at the City Club getting a good laugh with colleagues over something read by John Oliver on tv last night, or harrumphing over something they read about those strange people in the South, the next minute they're on the ground, in a fetal position, thumbs securely between their teeth, because of a Trump tweet. He can bring them to their knees, each one ordering up another series of 10 psych sessions, with each 40 word poke.
Three more years of this and there's no telling what will become of these people. But for many of us, it's pure entertainment, with economic growth and a tax cut to boot!
What terrifies lefties is that they believe he is a genius, as in:
"a person who strongly influences for good or ill the character, conduct, or destiny of a person, place, or thing"
I happen to think Trump is a "light bringer" and the roaches in DC don't like it one bit.
I wonder if this book is actually helping Trump?
It shows the resistance, again, to be a bunch of hyper ventilating idiots over reaching. Based on the Murdoch book he would know it would be a biased hit job. And it removed delusions of grandeur from Bannon. And it sucked all the air out of the room again, so the left can rally against offshore oil lease changes (its huge).
Forget it Chuck, the "Tax collector for the welfare state" GOP you prefer is a thing of the past.
Truly the stable genius fan club here.
I think the Trump is stupid meme grows out of his spoken vocabulary, which is fairly limited and relies too much on a few content-free emphatic adjectives and adverbs (huge, tremendous, great, bigly (or is that big-league?), sad, etc.) that he has made effectively into a trademark. It is a paradox that he has translated this into effective communication, but Trump does speak the lingo of American commercial and business hucksterism as seen on the ground.
When I was a practicing lawyer I ran into a many very successful business people (particularly in real estate development) who talked exactly like Trump. They got some great projects done.
A lot of Americans could be forgiven for thinking that Trump arrived in a puff of smoke from a lamp, rather than descending an escalator.
Wolff is the designated coordinator of the 25th Amendment assassination team. The book is a signal like Umbrella Man
Gave In Dealy Plaza signaling for the Limousine to
Stop So that 7 snipers got a good Kill Head shot into JFK’s crazy brain.
Then President Pence solemnly prays and heads up the Investigation into the Sudden Insanity of Trump.
And the next day the GOP politicians who announced retirement change their minds.
@Chuck,
Think about the impact.
1. Trump dictates a quick tweet, of whatever's on his mind. And ends it with "Sad!" or "#MAGA"
2. It takes 30 seconds.
3. His 46 Million followers take their cues on what and how to think on a particular topic
4. The NYT, WaPo, CNN, MSNBC all have a giant collective menstrual cramp, which dominates the news cycle for 24 hours.
5. Rinse, Wash, Repeat
If this isnt the biggest bang for the political buck, I'm not sure what is.
Tell us why we are wrong, readering, or is the written expression of your complete thoughts too hard?
A blast from the past:
Obama, who is not without an ego, regarded himself as just as gifted as his top strategists in the art and practice of politics. Patrick Gaspard, the campaign’s political director, said that when, in early 2007, he interviewed for a job with Obama and Plouffe, Obama said that he liked being surrounded by people who expressed strong opinions, but he also said, “I think that I’m a better speechwriter than my speechwriters. I know more about policies on any particular issue than my policy directors. And I’ll tell you right now that I’m gonna think I’m a better political director than my political director.”
Ryan Lizza, "Battle Plans," The New Yorker, November 17, 2008
cues on what and how to think on a particular topic
Sure, that is how he won, telling America what to think! I think he won by listening to the things America was thinking that leaders were try to convince us not to think. Democrats and Republicans.
They use that word "terrified" a lot. It's supposed to have some power over the rest of us, I guess, to think that the left is all a-scared.
I don't know how they get anything done in life, since they've been "terrified" since GWB took office. I would move away from ground zero or build a bomb shelter.
So, libs said Ron’s mind was not right, and they were right. Now libs say DJT is nuts, and DUT notes that these libs were previously right.
Anywho why did SoS and other DJT staff say DJT is an idiot?
Presumably they seem him as even more human than does Meadehouse in WI.
Just sayin.
Regarding the Yale psychiatrist, isn't it unethical to give a psychiatric diagnosis, without examining the patient?
isn't it unethical to give a psychiatric diagnosis, without getting paid?
So stupid, he beat Hillary.
Choke on it, leftists.
Your Corrupt party(D) is just that - corrupt.
Walker will not be indicted by your corrupt party and the REAL collusion is between Hillary and the FBI.
@TradGuy,
The book is a signal like Umbrella Man Gave In Dealy Plaza signaling for the Limousine to
Stop So that 7 snipers got a good Kill Head shot into JFK’s crazy brain.
Good reference to Umbrella Man! One of my favorite conspiracy theories - not well known, but here's a short piece from Wiki on him. .
Very Stable Genius may be a bit of a (humorous) exaggeration, but Trump deserves credit that he often doesn't get. "Populists" can be slightly nuts--Bannon may be an example, Sarah Palin, Roy Moore. (Bernie Sanders, anyone?) Trump from the beginning has been somehow bigger than the Tea Party, bigger than everyday populism. I don't know if he's really going to found a successful movement, or even shift the tide of debate in Washington. He's acting like a Republican, and enjoying success, on taxes and regulations. I think we will see something similar with the judiciary. A bigger test will be immigration: many Republicans are all for open borders, and without Trump,there would not be much of a debate about it. The global corporations which are liking Trump so far, and investing (and creating jobs) will argue that open borders are the key to economic growth, even if some people are left behind. In the meantime, Trump is bright and funny, and even if he loses his temper when he's attacked, or his vanity is at stake,he must be pretty stable to achieve what he is achieving. He is like the Fool in Shakespeare: much of what he says is designed to reveal the intellectual and moral poverty, and even stupidity, of people with credentials.
madAsHell said...
isn't it unethical to give a psychiatric diagnosis, without getting paid?
What makes you think they're not getting paid?
They’re telling us to speak more loudly and clearly and not to stop until something is done because they are terrified.
Da feelz!
"Your Honor, the President Is Acting Like He’s in Charge and We Want It Stopped"
Remember that Princeton professor that ate a bug because Trump won? Guess that moron was at Princeton and not Yale...
How mentally stable is it to be terrified that your preferred candidate lost an election? A year after they lost...
And they're coming to take me away ha-haaa
They're coming to take me away ho-ho hee-hee ha-haaa
To the funny farm
Where life is beautiful all the time
And I'll be happy to see those nice young men
In their clean white coats
And they're coming to take me away ha-haaa
adSs said: "So, libs said Ron’s mind was not right, and they were right. Now libs say DJT is nuts, and DUT notes that these libs were previously right.
Anywho why did SoS and other DJT staff say DJT is an idiot?"
^^^^^ Why it's generally a waste of time to argue with lefties.
As an aside, I am curious with your obsession of the word "Anywho?? Am I missing something?
"Bandy X. Lee"
Oh yeah, I'm totally taking this person seriously.
Clinton was a genius, W was stupid, Obama was a genius, Trump is stupid.
Not very hard to figure out what's going on here.
At the Yale-Dartmouth football game a Yale man and a Dartmouth man are in the bathroom side by side at the urinals. When they finish the Yale man heads to the sink and notices the Dartmouth man headed to the door. The Yale man says At Yale they teach us to wash our hands when we're finished in the bathroom to which the Dartmouth man replies At Dartmouth they teach us not to piss on our hands.
Hump,
I use language like that to indicate I’m being silly, so you cons don’t need to get your panties in a bunch.
Btw, I also state that reading is for nerds/losers.
Wanna make me POTUS?
And just as the press goes bananas about his mental capacity and whether or not he's smart, Trump holds a press conference at Camp David to let the public decide for themselves.
Gee, do you think, like, Trump planned that all along?
"isn't it unethical to give a psychiatric diagnosis, without getting paid?"
Not really. I have done work that insurance did not reimburse and the hospital never collected from the patient.
I have also worked for a certain municipality (police exams) that does not like to pay my rate. I no longer work for them.
When I was running my own business consulting practice, I worked with a psychologist who was a real salesman. One of his practices was to give out free work hoping to bring in new clients.
Do you know what happens when you give things away for free?
Aside from not appreciating what they didn't pay for, people gain a sense of entitlement.
Gee. That sounds like our welfare state.
adSs responded: "I use language like that to indicate I’m being silly ..."
I guess that would explain why I generally don't take your positions seriously. They lack gravitas *cough*.
An outsider, apparently unskilled, inexperienced, and socially maladroit, takes on a massive, deeply entrenched, system and all it’s gatekeepers, and walks away with the top prize that system offers.
Predictably, that system tries to destroy him, but he effortlessly turns it’s weapons back upon itself reducing the system to incoherent apoplexy at his whim (and there is nothing more whimsical than a tweet).
This scenario doesn’t just happen. The outsider understood realities that the system was blind to. He understands the system’s weaknesses and how to keep it off balance and dancing to his tune. So, yeah, Trump may not be a genius but his opponents are morons. Which is what I think he’s really saying.
readering: "Truly the stable genius fan club here"
Lefties take time out from calling obama a "God" and Hillary the smartest woman in the world to lament the Trump/genius nexus.
Just think, all Trump would have to do is bomb an aspirin factory and shove a cigar up an intern and these lefties would fall all over themselves proclaiming him presidential.
Since Dwight Eisenhower ran for President, every Republican President has been stupid, and every Democratic President brilliant. Adlai Stevenson, a caricature of the arrogant academic, mocked Ike's intelligence and really believed himself to be intellectually superior. The cocksure belief in their intellectual superiority is true to this day (although they never explain how they ever lose to stupid people, which suggests that perhaps Republican Presidents are not that dopey, or perhaps Democrats are not as brilliant as they believe).
The base problem is people who have made politics part of their identity. Since people like to think of themselves as smart, sane, and good, anyone who does not share their politics necessarily must be stupid, crazy, and evil.
To credit Trump with intelligence, sanity, or goodness is threatening to their worldview. So, much like a religious fanatic, all evidence to the contrary is denied, ignored, or otherwise explained away. There is no logical consistency, so if Trump is later useful when out of office, all of this will be forgotten. Much like Steve Bannon could probably run for Senate as a Democrat in 2018 if he keeps firing at Trump, despite being the alt-right bogeyman for most of 2017.
Functionally it's insanity, and there is no reasoning with the insane. There is also no known cure.
And is there anything more established than the left abusing psychiatry to attack their political opponents?
We've seen that over and over again from the Soviet Union to Cuba to lefty dominated US universities.
The little Maoists are getting to the bottom of their bag of tricks.
I can't wait to see what other ACME item they pull out that blow themselves up. It's all very entertaining.
The Resistance can't help overreacting. Trump plays them every time.
I think I understand the newly-popular-on-the-left claim that Trump didn't really want to win the election. It's a simple syllogism:
A. Anyone who is not stoooopid is of course NeverTrump.
B. Trump is not really stupid, or he wouldn't be so horribly successful. (Lefties would never admit this out loud, and many of them won't even admit it to their conscious brains, but deep down they all know it's true.)
Therefore,
C. Trump must be NeverTrump himself, which means he must not really have wanted the job. Even if that claim doesn't fit the evidence of his behavior before and after the election, it must be true, because it follows from A and B, which must be true. They must!
Q.E.D.
Birches: "The Resistance can't help overreacting. Trump plays them every time"
Our "betters" are very very upset that we refuse to continue to worship at their feet and take their ridiculous pronouncements as if issued from Olympus.
“Truly the stable genius fan club here.”
Totally sycophantasmagorical like!
I'm not one to give Trump credit for playing n-dimensional chess while all his detractors are stuck playing checkers, but these tweets and the NeverTrumper's reaction to them are working to convince me.
-sw
“Our "betters" are very very upset that we refuse to continue to worship at their feet and take their ridiculous pronouncements as if issued from Olympus.”
Because you must worship at the feet of the “like really smart” genius who sits upon his golden throne in his bathroom tweeting really smart things!
“Because you must worship at the feet of the “like really smart” genius who sits upon his golden throne in his bathroom tweeting really smart things!”
Which, as you demonstrate, worked exactly as intended.
Trump is a genius how he can set his enemies off on self-destructive tweets themselves.
His enemies don't seem to get that 99.99% of their own writings in response to Trump tweets work against their explicit goal of getting rid of Trump. The inability understand how their responses might appear to anyone who is, at the very least, open-minded about Trump as President is just another indicator of their lack of self-awareness. Trump played them with this series of tweets, and they are already falling all over themselves to preach only the choir in response.
Imagine if the Democrats had some policy issues they could use against Trump. Imagine if they had any leaders to unite behind. It's very hard to do.
Forgetful Inga: "Because you must worship at the feet of the “like really smart” genius who sits upon his golden throne in his bathroom tweeting really smart things!"
Your time would be better spent making sure your side doesn't continue to think of and refer to obama and Harvey Weinstein as "Gods" as well as calling Hillary the smartest woman in the world.
Once you've done that you should feel free to lecture others.
I'm sorry Inga.
I forgot that you call obama "other presidents.
So, just to reiterate, if you can get your side to stop call former President "other presidents" a "God", you can lecture us.
“Your time would be better spent making sure your side doesn't continue to think of and refer to obama and Harvey Weinstein as "Gods" as well as calling Hillary the smartest woman in the world.”
Infinitely smarter and more capable than Trump, despite her shortcomings. I wish I would’ve voted for her. Your time would be better spent lying and mischaracterizing others comments less.
What Yancey said.
Most of NeverTrump said his temperament disqualified him from being President. Yet, they get right into the mud with him. If they truly cated about temperament, they'd be better examples.
“So, just to reiterate, if you can get your side to stop call former President "other presidents" a "God", you can lecture us.”
I will lecture you as much as I damn well please.
Wow. Inga has really escaped her leash this morning and is barking quite a lot.
That is not the sort of behavior Former President "other presidents" would be comfortable with.
Inga: "The man is playing tiddlywinks...badly."
The economy, employment, military, immigration, tax cuts etc are the result of playing tiddlywinks...badly?
Awesome!
“Wow. Inga has really escaped her leash this morning and is barking quite a bit.”
Sez FullLoons’s kennel mate.
Inga, are you greatly upset that obama letting Hezbollah partner with mexican cartels to smuggle drugs into the US has been exposed?
And just think, those are EXACTLY the same mexican drug cartels that obama and Holder sent weapons to.
Amazing.
You know, given what has come to light in the last year and a half, it has become quite clear that one has to be an illegal alien islamist supremacist mexican-cartel aligned killer of Americans to be considered a "good guy" in the lefties world.
“The economy”
Thank you President Obama!
“employment”
Thank you President Obama!
“military,”
Dreams of wars dancing in his little head...
“ immigration”
Based on xenophobia, un-American
“tax cuts etc.”
There is no such thing as trickle down wealth, in the long run. Those companies who gave bonuses this year won’t repeat it next year. It was a publicity stunt and an ass kissing thank you to Trump and Republicans for making them much richer.
Your simplistic conclusions are premature.
Inga thread.
Bye
Talking about mental balance -
The reasons why commenters comment comes into this.
Trump seems to be the commenting sort, loving social media. He does it, it seems, because he likes doing it, and there is significant value to it. There is a political-cultural-policy effect to what he says.
Others, like me, are often bored blowhards and pedants, or would-be athletes of debate, or simply lonely. The interest is in the subject of the matter, or the contest, or in subjects external to the self. Or in plain conversation. Many would be bloggers, if it werent for laziness or other commitments. This is a collection of people who IRL would be model railroad enthusiasts or bridge players or joiners in some hobby club.
Others seem to do the commenting out of pure bile. It would be interesting to explore their reasons. It is not, I think, mentally sound to do so simply for the purpose of riling people up. This is very common, as we see, and the medium makes it easy. But the riling-up is less interesting than the reasons why. There are people with a secret sickness that manifests in anonymity.
It's a given that as soon as Inga/allie oop shows up the
thread is destroyed. There will be no good
discussions afterwards.
It would, for instance, be interesting to do a deep dive into the economic policies of the previous administration vs the current administration and their relevance to current economic conditions, if any. That is an excellent pedant/contest sort of subject.
However, a response such as "Thank you President Obama!" is not really an invitation to debate, because experience shows it wont happen. It is simply an act of contempt.
The interesting thing is the purpose behind such an attitude. What satisfaction is there in making a bunch of strangers feel bad?
Thank you President Obama for making Trump possible, so this happened!
“economy”
“military”
“employment”
“ immigration”
“tax cuts etc.”
To mention a few.
Others:
- reduction of regulations
- removal of individual mandate
- court nominees
- return of rule of law
- return of us perceived power overseas
- recognition of Jerusalem as capital
- competent cabinet members
- showing resistance to be idiots
- diminishing the msm’s reputation
- reducing Federal employment
- increasing mining, energy, and manufacturing jobs
- lowest black unemployment rate recorded
Amazing first year!
Based on xenophobia, un-American
LOL. No true American thinks that our immigration laws should be under the lawful control of our democratically elected government!
May as well say “Borders! Based on xenophobia, un-American!”
“Inga, are you greatly upset that obama letting Hezbollah partner with mexican cartels to smuggle drugs into the US has been exposed?”
IF true, yes it would be upsetting. There is an investigation underway. Let’s see what the investigation resutls are.
“Politico spoke with former Obama officials. They deny "they derailed any actions against Hezbollah or its Iranian allies for political reasons," but did say law enforcement investigations have to be weighed in terms of a broader American foreign policy.
"Nobody had malicious intentions here. I think everybody was trying to do what they thought was the right thing," Meyer said.”
Drago are you greatly upset that Trump had dealings with Oligarchs that laundered money through a hotel in Azerbaijan, that funneled money to Iran’s Revolutionary Guard?
https://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2017/03/13/donald-trumps-worst-deal
The measure of if tweets "work" comes down to majority public reaction. He's putting on a "show," a presidential performance unlike any other we've see before. Will it "work?" Does it "work?"
The only stuff I look at to judge the "workability" of what we can call the Trump twitter performance:
How are people reacting in Iowa?
How are people reacting in Florida?
How are people reacting in swing states?
“Others seem to do the commenting out of pure bile. It would be interesting to explore their reasons. It is not, I think, mentally sound to do so simply for the purpose of riling people up.”
Says the pot stirrer, who hates this country that gave him so many opportunities over the 30 years he’s lived here without becoming a citizen.
"Bandy X. Lee" is a great Porn Name. She could totally cash in administering Sex Addiction therapy to, like, hundreds of Hollywood producers, directors and actors. "Who's on the couch now, Big Boy?"
Inga takes President "other presidents" officials at their word!
I wonder if they are the same ones that said the IRS was not targeting conservative groups.
And Inga, that sad little New Yorker article, now over a year old...like your sad little hoax dossier tale, was so debunked not even other lefty outlets would pick it up.
Quick hint: when even your lefty MSM pals are running away from a story, you might want to think about whether you'd like to continue pursuing it.
On the other hand, don't think about it. It's fun when you are left holding the bag.
Not to worry, perhaps you'll get a capitalistic tax cut which you can use to buy more p****-hats!
(eaglebeak)
Note to Inga:
Obama couldn't get the economy out of first gear. Nor did he seem very interested in trying. "Those jobs aren't coming back." "You didn't build that." He loaded up the food stamp rolls, and Nancy Pelosi claimed that stimulated the economy. What idiots.
"Dreams of wars"? Let's see, under Obama we got the horror show in Libya; we got more Americans killed in Afghanistan than ever before; we blew up Iraq by leaving, let the Iranians in, let ISIS (a) be created, (b) come in, wound up having to go back but couldn't seem to beat the JV ISIS; made fools of ourselves in Syria and let ISIS and the Russians in; powered up the Iranian crazies, apparently intentionally putting our allies the Israelis (and Saudis and Egyptians and Jordanians) in harm's way--Obama was a military CLUSTER of the first order.
Oh, and slashed the military budget.
Trump has been consistently NOT interested in war, but interested in military strength, which PREVENTS war.
Desire for restrictions on immigration? Nothing could be more American (check history). And why shouldn't we hire our own citizens first?
Tax cuts: You're fixated on the bonuses--but are you saying those companies will next year be laying off people from all the added jobs? The bonuses are a side effect: The point, as Trump has made plain, is jobs and manufacturing. That is, the U.S. having a strong industrial base once more (necessary for military strength and for productive lives of our people).
By the way, a grammar note: You don't mean "I wish I would've voted for" Hillary; you mean "I wish that I had voted for" Hillary--important to get these things right as a precondition for telling us Trump supporters how dumb we are.
"Nobody had malicious intentions here. I think everybody was trying to do what they thought was the right thing," Meyer said.”
LOL
Yes, the "right thing" is always allow islamic terrorist groups to partner with mexican drug cartels and smuggle drugs into the US.
Gee, that just seems obvious to everyone, doesn't it?
Getting tough to find a serious thread today.
It would be interesting to explore their reasons. It is not, I think, mentally sound to do so..
Well, AA surmised we men respond to Inga because we crave a woman's attention. I admit I do.
“By the way, a grammar note: You don't mean "I wish I would've voted for" Hillary; you mean "I wish that I had voted for" Hillary--important to get these things right as a precondition for telling us Trump supporters how dumb we are.”
Pedantic nonsense. You hone in on this yet seem to not be bothered by the ridiculous grammer and spelling mistake ridden tweets by Trump, lol. That is part of your problem. Indeed there are Trump supporters that are stupid, but there are plenty that are of normal intelligence, but deranged in their view of Trump. One day in the future, somebody will write up a medical paper on the phenomenon.
Getting tough to find a serious thread today.
It looks like two piss threads for the price of one.
“Yeah, pretty sure he has no Nazi heritage like some here.”
Like your daddy? I thought so.
To me, the word “like” makes it sound like he was, for once, sharing his real thoughts. Very smart people don’t commonly go around admitting that they are very smart, even though they probably know it, based on their life experience dealing with others. Just like beautiful women know they are beautiful, but bragging about it isn’t something they do. I think that the “like,” was that moment when he was considering whether he should make that admission.
One thing I know, either Trump is a ton smarter than I am, or he is the luckiest son of a bitch on the face of the Earth.
No, I’m out. I’ve got to attend a baby shower, not a golden one thankfully.☔️
My great-aunt was at one point (@1935) dating Jose Antonio Primo de Rivera, the founder of Spain's Fascist party, the Falange. Thats as close as our lot got to Nazis. The rest of us were Republican, and suffered for it, many went into exile, others were jailed and tortured for their allegiances. A great uncle was, for some years, a minister-in-exile of the Basque government.
But those are ancient arguments.
but deranged in their view of Trump. One day in the future, somebody will write up a medical paper on the phenomenon.
Oh, there are people who are “deranged in their view of Trump” alright. Not sure it’s the same people you think it is. Derange is like disturb, ‘deranger” in French is to ‘disturb'. I can see that some people are very disturbed by Trump.
And I will certainly bet that there will be a happily peer reviewed paper written where everybody gets together and validates their own politics, and medicalizes the politics of their opposition. The Soviet Union was big on claiming that rejection of communism was a mental illness, usually treated with a dose of lead, sometimes with a stint of being worked to death in a gulag, but in their gentler moments, treating their political opposition medically, when they were feeling generous.
Having voted for Jill Stein, none of this should be a surprise to you though. SOP.
If Thurber were still alive, he could tell us what that “like,” meant!
I think Trump is happy to let some people think he's stupid, the better to flummox them. This is one of the oldest tricks in the book, even if he's never read it, and a mainstay of comedy since the Year Dot. Guys with Southern accents figure this out pretty quickly when dealing with a certain kind of Yankee, and so must a short-fingered Vulgarian from Queens.
The rest of us were Republican, and suffered for it, many went into exile, others were jailed and tortured for their allegiances
Commies. Communism and fascism are fraternal twins, which explains their abiding hatred each for the other. I hate them both, myself, but like the Irish troubles, where outsiders needed a program to tell them apart, to the rest of us? We can’t tell the difference. They both place the state above all, nothing outside of the state, and both believe that they are best suited to direct the economy, both are big believers in one party rule.
I liked “For Whom the Bell Tolls” though, it was an interesting insight into the minds of some of these guys, and Hemingway distanced himself a little from his communism, which led to threats to his career from some of his literary pals, who viewed literature as a propaganda arm of Soviet communism.
Comment sections can be compared to Western movies.
Mainly bad ones, that were unmade for good reasons.
Some (well, a lot) discussions are like the pistolero training scenes, where aficionados comment on technique and equipment. There is a reason there isn't much of this in the actual movies. "Quigley Down Under" is an exception.
Others are like the stereotypical duel at high noon, where honor dictates a fair fight with proper six-guns and bullets, and may the best (fastest, most accurate, most robust) man win. This very rarely happens. Farmer, here, is the most proper combatant in this mode, and deserves honor as such. He answers shot for shot in the good old way.
Others (and fill in the names) are not seen in the movies at all. They specialize in flinging dung from a saloon window at the would-be duelist, and fleeing when shot at, to repeat some other insult from some other window. If such a character were to be written into a Western, the script would give the miscreant a bad end.
Says the pot stirrer, who hates this country that gave him so many opportunities over the 30 years he’s lived here without becoming a citizen.
Wow. What a petty comment for one of the better behaved commenters here.
They also said the same things about Washington, Adams, Lincoln, Grant, and Eisenhower.
Some folks never learn.
If they learned, they wouldn't be leftists.
but deranged in their view of Trump.
Princess Sky Screamer wrote that.
About other people.
Without the slightest hint of irony.
Thread is done.
#likereallysmart
Trump is not a character out of a Western, or not a conventional one. He is more like Kurosawa's Yojimbo, or of course Clint Eastwood's "Man with No Name". There is a strong element of sly subterfuge, straight out of Yojimbo, that is not typical of later Eastwood work.
Chuck: "#likereallysmart"
#UnlikeSelfDescribedExpertsWhoCantPredictTheirOwnStateResults
Wonderful writing from Jonah Goldberg at NRO. I suppose this will be one of the odd days that TrumpWorld will not be linking to NRO. Who knows, Monday might be better. Maybe Andy McCarthy will write something critical of Robert Mueller then.
Anyway, here's Jonah. Enjoy. You're welcome:
...Trump has benefitted from a tendency among both his biggest fans and his biggest foes to see more than meets the eye. For the true believers, there must be a method behind the madness. The Trump we see on Twitter and TV conceals a strategic thinker who keeps his enemies off balance by “controlling the narrative” or some such treacle.
When Trump says he understands tax policy “better than anybody. Better than the greatest CPA,” his fans want to believe that’s true, or at least that there’s some truth to it. Likewise all of his other bizarre boasts (“I know more about renewables than any human being on Earth”; “Nobody in the history of this country has ever known so much about infrastructure as Donald Trump”; “Because nobody knows the [immigration] system better than me. I know the H1B. I know the H2B. Nobody knows it better than me”).
And yet, not once in hundreds of speeches and interviews has the president ever slipped and actually talked expertly for more than a minute on any public policy without the benefit of a teleprompter. For a president not known to avoid showing off, it’s a remarkable accomplishment to keep his policy chops so well hidden.
Trump’s biggest enemies have something of a mirror-image delusion. In order to justify perpetual “resistance,” they must believe that the president has some long-term evil scheme in mind for overthrowing the democratic order. It’s a cartoonish exaggeration of the hysteria some on the left once had with regard to George W. Bush. They simultaneously believed he was a criminal mastermind and a dunce. When you want to dedicate your life to opposing some villain, it’s only human to want to believe the villain is worth the effort.
...
Read more at: http://www.nationalreview.com/article/455160/new-michael-wolff-trump-tell-all-book-less-revelatory-advertised
It's simply not believable that he's stupid.
I see that assertion again and again, but given his achievements, it makes no sense.
Two people were asked how you determine if someone has a good golf swing.
First guy: "I look to the posture. Is the back straight? Is the head down? Do the hips swivel gracefully? Is the grip proper? And the follow through, of course."
Second guy: "I look to see where the ball lands."
Jonah sure gets you right Chuck!
"Trump’s biggest enemies have something of a mirror-image delusion. In order to justify perpetual “resistance,” they must believe that the president has some long-term evil scheme in mind for overthrowing the democratic order. It’s a cartoonish exaggeration of the hysteria some on the left once had with regard to George W. Bush."
Funniest line today:
"Pedantic nonsense. You hone in on this yet . . . [insults directed at Trump's grammar and spelling omitted]."
That should of course be "home in", like an airplane flying towards a radio beacon. "Hone" means sharpen, and (like "home in") is mostly used metaphorically these days: you see a lot more people honing their arguments than their knives.
"Accidental Leftist" Chuck: "Maybe Andy McCarthy will write something critical of Robert Mueller then."
We'll let you know given you will be glued to MSNBC.
Jonah has had a bad case of TDS. Not as bad as Kristol but bad.
The only two I look at at NRO are McCarthy and VDH.
Says the pot stirrer, who hates this country that gave him so many opportunities over the 30 years he’s lived here without becoming a citizen.
Interesting that I am not the only target for hate here, Scratch a leftist and find a Fascist,
"Second guy: "I look to see where the ball lands."
I was warned by the first surgeon I started practice with, who was a very experienced golf player for money.
Don't bet with a guy with a bad swing. They have compensated and will beat you.
Scratch a leftist and find a Fascist,
The fascism is right on the surface. No need to scratch.
Jonah is still very upset that Trump beat Hillary.
The Lifelong Republicans will simply have to get over that someday.
I used to be a big fan of Jonah Goldberg, but his mind has closed, and it’s like, sad. He spends all of his time defending the status of his elitist clique instead of doing the kind of at least mildly outré analysis of politics that he did with the G-File.
Jonah seems to believe Trump had nothing to do with the hiring of his A+ cabinet. And it’s because of the people surrounding Trump he is doing so well.
Jonah and NRO were hoping to gin up another war, and Hillary was the girl to go along!
I will say that the one service that Hillary did for this country was to use her blood lust to stiffen the spine of Obama when he was vacillating on whether or not to go through with the assassination of bin Laden.
Of course, since Obama had ruled out taking prisoners because he wanted to close Guantanamo, there was never a question of taking bin Laden alive, just whether we left him unmolested or killed him.
"I like the mix of joviality and lightweight cruelty."
In a president??
No one was shocked when Obama said he was the smartest person in the room. So why are they shocked Trump say's he is a genius.
Hell, unlike Obama, he really is. And his Tweets? Crazy man... crazy like a fox.
Hmm, "lightweight cruelty" - I think you've got something there.
Yes, in a president. Not in the guy who plays the president on the West Wing.
He spends all of his time defending the status of his elitist clique instead of doing the kind of at least mildly outré analysis of politics that he did with the G-File.
I think NR is totally dependent on donors, especially after long term subscribers like me quit.
I even went on cruises.
The donors seem to be heavily into NeverTrump territory.
I assume that is because they were doing well under Obama ZIRP and crony capitalism.
Now we have all these lower level types making money off the market and it irritates them.
My college roommate's father was a real estate developer who considered his customers all chumps for buying that land.
When the big run up in real estate in So Cal got going, it infuriated him to be asked for investment advice by people who had made small fortunes on land he sold them,
He thought of them as suckers, just like NR donors think of us.
Inga said: "“The economy”
Thank you President Obama!"
After having read the entire thread, this wins the award: "First Place - Delusional".
Obama was in office for eight (8) years and not once, as in never, did GDP exceed 3%. According Nobel Economic Prize winning Inga, Obama saved it all for Trump. You streak of beclowning yourself remains uninterrupted.
Imagine the world today if Obama had simply doxxed bin Laden ... Pakistan would not be playing the games we / Trump have to contend with.
Seal team would be alive.
Who betrayed them ,,,??? / Offered them up for blood vengeance??? Hillary or Obama ...
Trump would get it done tweet doxxing.
Ann Althouse: It's simply not believable that he's stupid.
I see that assertion again and again, but given his achievements, it makes no sense. Why do people keep saying that?
A) Because apparently some people's own egos are bound up with the president? I think the comments of others in this thread have merit.
B) Because he does not agree with them on many topics, and the persons making this claim really do not know themselves how to support what they believe. So when Trump says something and does something contrary to their belief system and then good things happen, it is a terrible threat to both the worldview and ego of some, and the only defense they have is aggression and invective. They can't argue the issues because their beliefs are derived from what they read/hear in their circle, which circle they believe to be the circle of the "smart" people. It follows that if someone disagrees, that person must be stupid.
There are plenty of people who disagree with Trump and Trump's policies, but know why they believe what they believe, and they will settle down and make the argument. They don't need to resort to personalities, nor are they as personally distraught about Trump as the ones who do descend to personalities.
I am seeing this in my own family. My sister-in-law's sister was an ardent Hillary fan, went ballistic after the election defeat, and then slowly calmed down. But in the last few months she's become terribly upset again.
I think what is setting these people off is that Trump is clearly having some successes. This is traumatic to them. They literally did not realize this before because the press has not been covering the economy normally either in 2017 nor in 2017. The financial press is different, but most don't read the financial press. Now that they begin to sense it, it is a terrible threat to their own view of their own status.
Doc mike,
It’s cool that you know big dough cons look down on you. Do tell us more about how DJT and the GOPe in Congress are standing up for you normal folks v the rich Funders. Now you normal con folks are getting what you deserve!
I think what is setting these people off is that Trump is clearly having some successes. This is traumatic to them. ... Now that they begin to sense it, it is a terrible threat to their own view of their own status.
Elites,MSM, and normal people hate to be wrong sometimes. I know I do, sometimes. The signs of good mental health and well being is being able to roll with the punches, accept what is and adapt to the situation.
AA comments are a microcosm of the country. Pains me to to see the mental instability in some poor souls.
Ya whooped me again, Full.
This is a difficult time for folks like me.
@MaxedOutMama "I think what is setting these people off is that Trump is clearly having some successes. This is traumatic to them....Now that they begin to sense it, it is a terrible threat to their own view of their own status."
Writing as someone who considers Trump to be a terrible president, I can assure you that your analysis is wrong in at least my case.
I am pleased that the economy is doing well and am happy to give credit to this administration where deserved. I don't really know enough about economics to have an opinion about how far back the foundations for present day growth lie, nor how likely it is that such growth continue. If more people earn more, have jobs and job security, that's fantastic.
But nonetheless, I think Trump is a terrible and dangerous president: dangerous politically, dangerous to the republic, to rule of law in this country, to freedom of speech, to the values and accepted norms of democracy that I hold dear. I may be wrong, of course, and you may be right. But that is my honest opinion.
The idea that Trump is an ordinary president is delusional. The idea that he is somehow a sophisticated and brilliant leader who is cleverly fooling some of us with his crazy and crude tweeting strikes me as doubly delusional.
As Daniel Drezner puts it well: "Because nothing shows stability, smarts, and success like badly-written rage-tweets at the 7 AM hour on the weekend."
"The idea that Trump is an ordinary president is delusional."
Sorry but the delusion is yours.
You don't have to think he is a great president to recognize things have gotten a lot better since a year ago.
"Now you normal con folks are getting what you deserve!"
Peanut, go away and try to read a book.
I have a reading list if you are interested.
'"t’s cool that you know big dough cons look down on you. Do tell us more about how DJT and the GOPe in Congress are standing up for you normal folks v the rich Funders. Now you normal con folks are getting what you deserve!"
Ah, sarcasm. A sorry substitute for humor, as Scott Adams has just pointed out, and here we have a wonderful example.
Michael K, I disagree very strongly with your assessment that "things have gotten a lot better since a year ago." But remember, a lot of things that you doubtless consider an improvement, I see as worsening.
And - this will be boring - but I stand by my statement. If you consider Trump an ordinary president, you are delusional.
I think Trump is a terrible and dangerous president: dangerous politically, dangerous to the republic, to rule of law in this country, to freedom of speech, to the values and accepted norms of democracy that I hold dear.
That's how I feel about all the efforts to upset the results of a fair and honest election and to hinder the peaceful transfer of power.
"They’re telling us to speak more loudly and clearly and not to stop until something is done because they are terrified."
That's exactly right. When the going gets tough, and even the Marines can't take it any more, we call for the Hard Ones. We call for the Psychiatrists. The rough, hard-handed pill-pushers, the problem-solvers. The gentle men, the mental men, the big men with the little MDs. We send them in, and we tell them not to stop. "Don't stop," we say, "No matter what. Not until Something is Done. Because we're terrified."
Doc mike,
I already read both of your medical papers that you’ve linked to.
Now, I suppose you’ll suggest your two books.
Anywho, I gave up reading. Reading is for nerds. Now, I just make snarky comments. Hoping to be POTUS.
My FB TDS friends have posted numerous times over the past two days about Wolff's book and President Trump's tweets. The gist is that they enthusiastically take both at face value. Now these are all middle-aged well educated people.
I think Trump and Wolff are playing these folks like a well tuned Strativarius. Wolff (and probably his partner-in-crime Bannon) will park millions from book sales. And Trump will go on doing what he's doing for 7 more years
Chuck,
You mistake mocking for sarcasm. There’s no radical rule for sarcasm. So, I’m not authorized (Soros) for that.
adSs said: "Do tell us more about how DJT and the GOPe in Congress are standing up for you normal folks v the rich Funders."
It was reported the most tax reform bill will reduce the taxes of 80% of the taxpaying public. Or in the words of adSs, the 1 %.
AA comments are a microcosm of the country.
The best I have seen at reflecting reality. That's why the election did not surprise me one bit.
"It was reported the most tax reform bill will reduce the taxes of 80% of the taxpaying public. Or in the words of adSs, the 1 %"
In adSs' defense, he/she/xit was only off by 79%.
To follow up: I enjoyed watching our two Wisconsin hosts bending Trump. (as a Southern boy I'm thinking, "WISCONSIN?!")
And then seeing Wisconsin putting Trump over the top.
Sublime.
(eaglebeak)
From Inga:
Pedantic nonsense. You hone in on this yet seem to not be bothered by the ridiculous grammer and spelling mistake ridden tweets by Trump, lol. That is part of your problem. Indeed there are Trump supporters that are stupid, but there are plenty that are of normal intelligence, but deranged in their view of Trump. One day in the future, somebody will write up a medical paper on the phenomenon.
Inga, you're absolutely right--probably willing to cut Trump more slack because he's helping the country.
"Anywho, I gave up reading. Reading is for nerds. Now, I just make snarky comments. Hoping to be POTUS."
^^^^^^ Why it's a waste of time to debate libs.
Kitty,
Of course Trump isn't ordinary.
But not much else is ordinary.
Thats how you got Trump.
As for things getting better or worse, metrics, or at least specifics, would be useful.
But nonetheless, I think Trump is a terrible and dangerous president: dangerous politically, dangerous to the republic, to rule of law in this country, to freedom of speech, to the values and accepted norms of democracy that I hold dear.
Can you cite any actions that make you think this way?
Not tweets, nor words.
Actual actions?
"a lot of things that you doubtless consider an improvement, I see as worsening. "
I have no doubt of it.
All those beautiful regulations cancelled.
The Iran nuclear program in danger and those Iranian kids. Who do they think they are ?
Next they'll be throwing away their burkhas.
The economy recovering. Black unemployment down.
Illegal immigration down sharply.
It must be a terrible time for you. And then November is coming. Another disappointment.
" I gave up reading. Reading is for nerds."
I don't doubt it for a moment.
Hump,
It’s okay for you to use class warfare jabber re supporting the recent tax cut.
Hey, if that tax cut makes you (and doc mike) feel all populist-y, hooray.
Presumably there’s a similar solution re making sure we have a fix for keeping labor that aren’t whiney citizens looking for handouts.
I can see another eight or sixteen years. Anywho, already got a place w/ private lake in NZ. So, it’s all good.
I have to wonder at the emotional state of a PB&J.
What is the point of snark?
A life, it seems, of snark?
Snark for its own sake, snark as an end?
Snark as existence?
This is an alien sort of mind.
David Frum is a Republican neoconservative political writer who worked as a speechwriter for Dubya. Today he wrote in the Atlantic that Trump has taken on the Godfather character, Fredo Corleone."
“I can handle things. I’m smart! Not like everybody says, like dumb. I’m smart and I want respect!” said actor John Cazale as Frederico "Fredo" Corleone in The Godfather Part II
Donald Trump couldn't say this is in such a short statement but he used the same Valley Girl word "like."
....Actually, throughout my life, my two greatest assets have been mental stability and being, like, really smart. Crooked Hillary Clinton also played these cards very hard and, as everyone knows, went down in flames. I went from VERY successful businessman, to top T.V. Star..... ....to President of the United States (on my first try). I think that would qualify as not smart, but genius....and a very stable genius at that!
FWIW: Trump's senility is showing, since the 2016 Presidential was his second try. He has already forgotten his Reform Party candidacy in 2000.
Trump has been good luck for me/us anyway. He has, even as only a sort of lucky charm (and that is very important to business confidence), brought my retirement considerably closer.
I am looking up real estate in Spain. A nice flat in the old part, the middle of somewhere interesting, Malaga, Sevilla, or somewhere like that. This years trip is likely to be in that direction.
adSs responded: "Hump,
It’s okay for you to use class warfare jabber re supporting the recent tax cut.
Hey, if that tax cut makes you (and doc mike) feel all populist-y, hooray."
Have you seen the new vs. old tax tables? Have you reviewed the other changes to the tax code? (Note: See my previous comment regarding debating liberals.)
Jupiter - sarcasm is not always the lowest form of humor, and you just demonstrated that. Thanks for the big grin.
gadfly: "David Frum is a Republican neoconservative political writer who worked as a speechwriter for Dubya. Today he wrote in the Atlantic that Trump has taken on the Godfather character, Fredo Corleone."
Sorry gadfly, the title of Fredo Corleone has been assumed by Chris Cuomo. He has had the title for some time now. Where have you been?
"If you consider Trump an ordinary president, you are delusional."
Many people chose Trump precisely because they did not want ordinary. To not acknowledge this suggests an inability to see the obvious. It also prevents someone from ever understanding why so many people didn't want an ordinary politician as president this time.
"He has, ..... brought my retirement considerably closer."
I'm assuming that at least in part you are talking about the near 50% rise in the equity markets since he became a leading contender? That rise has helped kick the can down the road for the public sector and union pension problem that was about to slap us in the face too. I'm not sure how good that is long term (the pension managers unrealistic returns expectations reprieve can't last forever), but there has to be some pretty happy book cookers in CA and elsewhere whether they are Trump supporters or not.
Obama was in office for eight (8) years and not once, as in never, did GDP exceed 3%.
Depending on what you mean by this, you are either lying or being deceptive. It is true that annual GDP growth during Obama years did not get over 3%, but Trump has not had a full year to gauge his annual growth. If you are talking about quarterly growth, you are simply lying.
Can't you just picture the current crop of fake-news peddlers in their dotage, sitting in their robes sputtering out "but... Trump!", and then rocking themselves slowly as they whisper to themselves "Russia. Russia.. Russia...", while the next generation of journalists take media courses analyzing the genius behind Trump's tweets. If he's still around, Scott Adams will be teaching the course.
Buw,
I can see that for many in these threads this place is more than a place to F around. I.e., some care. Hence your extrapolation re the totality of my existence.
Not that there’s anything wrong w/ all y’all.
Field Marshall Freder: "Depending on what you mean by this, you are either lying or being deceptive. It is true that annual GDP growth during Obama years did not get over 3%, but Trump has not had a full year to gauge his annual growth."
LOL
Yeah.
That's what the lefties have.
Humperdink: "Sorry gadfly, the title of Fredo Corleone has been assumed by Chris Cuomo. He has had the title for some time now. Where have you been?"
gadfly is the Poor Man's LLR Chuck, as such, he should not be expected to be up to speed on very much at all.
I'm sensing a theme here.
The reactionaries don't ever really mean what they say, so much as they mean to see what kind of reaction they can get out of what they say.
What could go wrong with that? Other than everything.
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