1. "A Virginia cyclist who was photographed extending her middle finger at President Trump’s motorcade as it drove past her last month has lost her job because of the gesture, [Juli Briskman, 50,] said on Monday," reports the NYT. "'We have chosen to separate from you,' she quoted one of them as saying to her, citing the company’s social media policy ban on 'obscene content.' She said she was told that she was not meeting the company’s code of conduct and that the officials feared 'it could hurt business' because of their work related to government contracts."
2. "After former Finance Minister Pravin Gordhan and Mcebisi Jonas got the boot, Gubb began trading Gupta-owned Oakbay shares in order to create, in the price chart, a work of art depicting a middle finger. It all took off when Gordhan called on the country’s citizens to mobilise and join the dots. Gubb did his bit in the form of what is almost certainly first piece of protest art on a financial media platform in the world. To create his art, Gubb traded Gupta-owned Oakbay shares." Reports The South African, via Bloomberg, "This Artist Is Giving the Finger to the Stock Market/Should a man of the information age be punished for creating pure magic?"
November 8, 2017
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The cyclist is making a mistake in turning in the company. That's bridge-burning.
Her next boss wants to know what she'll be saying about him and that's not a good sign.
Always praise your old company.
If Mozilla guy can be fired, that food delivery app can tell Trump supporters to not apply and bakeries closed for their political speech, so too can the cyclist be made to pay the Danegeld.
The question for the mob with the stock guy is whether to entertain itself with moral outrage or be amused by the guy sticking it to the financial sector.
The cross currents will keep any mob action from going viral.
The lose-the-job action puts HR in charge of political speech, and HR is staffed by complete morons.
Be against it everywhere.
HR responds to mob action, to complete the link.
While I think it is bad to fire people for speech done on their own time, I've lost that argument. So, let the rule be enforced.
Rigorously.
If HR responds to mob action, let the mob take up the no-firing moral stand, on any side. That's what to argue.
A workplace firing someone for non-criminal acts on their social media?
Uh oh.
I am Laslo.
"The cyclist is making a mistake in turning in the company. That's bridge-burning.
Her next boss wants to know what she'll be saying about him and that's not a good sign.
Always praise your old company."
Liberal nuance, lacking.
Imagine the outrage here if the roles were reversed.
AReasonableMan said...
Imagine the outrage here if the roles were reversed.
It's the Alinsky rules, we've given up being nice.
We're going to be just as mean and rotten as you are.
Do corporate metaphorical fingers count?
A Virginia cyclist who was photographed extending her middle finger at President Trump’s motorcade as it drove past her last month has lost her job because of the gesture
And the people at CNN who edited the footage to make it look like Trump disrespected the Japanese Prime Minister still have theirs.
Apparently CNN didn't think what they did would hurt their business.
Maybe the Virginia cyclist should get a job as a rodeo clown.
ARM: Imagine the outrage here if the roles were reversed.
Imagine my surprise at seeing a lefty bitching to the chef that he didn't want that sauce on his serving of gander.
I drove my daughters past Mar a Lago back when you still could while he was there, so they could flip him off. They enjoyed it.
Where are the 50,000 psychologist that say President Trump is insane when we need them. The world sees our President as a strong leader and a rock star. What will the psychologists do now...maybe they can all go to Canada, if Canada will let the useless idiots in.
I'm not celebrating her firing. Getting fired sucks.
If a cyclist flipped off the Obama motorcade, the media reaction would be the opposite. The media would highlight the racism of the flip-off. (or just ignore the whole thing, because really - who cares?)
In this instance, the media promoted her and that promotion is what ended her career. Sometimes the hack-D press hurts more than it helps.
"The cyclist is making a mistake in turning in the company. That's bridge-burning...."
That's a good point, but a key fact here is this is a 50-year-old woman. She's going rogue, taking the social media route and seeing where it gets her. I can see how it might seem like the better choice for her. How do you find yourself tossed out of work at that age and just start over, keeping your head down, trying to be a good girl, a team player. The 50-year-old woman doubles down on fuck you.
Apparently the only viable defense for this outrageous act is, 'Johnny started it'.
OT: Will the media ignore the guy who saved lives at that Texas church? Of course they will. Deosnt' fit the narrative.
AReasonableMan said...
Imagine the outrage here if the roles were reversed.
The roles were reversed during the 8 year Reign of Error known as the Obama administration. Turnabout is fair play, and we all know how liberals feel about fairness, don't we?
I warned it was a bad precedent to set. Shame no one on the left listened.
There is no free speech in the corporate world, and social media has allowed the darkness to grow. I am sure some coffee shop needs another barista and will be proud to have her.
“We're going to be just as mean and rotten as you are.”
“Going to”? Ha, many of you people have been doing the mean and rotten for a long long time.
Ha, many of you people have been doing the mean and rotten for a long long time.
I’m new.
this is a 50-year-old woman. She's going rogue, taking the social media route
If this were a 30-yo or 25-yo woman, one who grew up with social media and knows its ins and outs almost reflexively, I think she'd have a better chance. But she's not young, or hip. It won't end well for her.
Apparently the only viable defense for this outrageous act is, 'Johnny started it'.
The essence of progressivism seems to be the willfull ignorance of entirely foreseeable "unintended" consequences.
No-one is defending this outrageous act, we're simply pointing out that since there's no realistic hope of progressives acting decently, intelligent people have no choice but to follow the same path.
rehajm said...
I’m new.
In what sense?
Pookie Number 2 said...
intelligent people have no choice but to follow the same path
Principled people have other options.
Blogger AReasonableMan said...
Imagine the outrage here if the roles were reversed.
ARM hs no doubt forgotten the woman who lost her job while she was on an airplane and didn't know it until it landed.
InterActive Corp, Sacco's employer, issued a statement to ABC News this afternoon distancing itself from the tweet and saying the employee was fired.
"There is no excuse for the hateful statements that have been made and we condemn them unequivocally," the InterActive Corp statement said. "We hope, however, that time and action, and the forgiving human spirit, will not result in the wholesale condemnation of an individual who we have otherwise known to be a decent person at core."
The controversy erupted while Sacco was reportedly mid-flight with no Internet access.
A trending hashtag #HasJustineLandedYet and parody account @LOLJustineSacco quickly appeared on Twitter. A fake Facebook account under her name was also created, where a post links to www.justinesacco.com, which brings up a donation page for Aid for Africa.
Of course, she was not "Woke."
She had only worked at that job for about six months, it's likely that she has had a lot of different jobs and might not have a good work history.
Principled people have other options.
Pity none are players in the Democratic Party. Whichever principled person told you that little tidbit should tell them.
Principled people have other options.
It's not "principled "to allow progressive ideology to increase human suffering. Since progressives have gleefully sacrificed decency in their push for power, principled people have to adopt the same tactics.
I don't see how giving someone the finger on the street violates the social media policy. It's not her tweet.
That said, she's 50?!? I expected her to be 23. I never cease to be amazed at how bad at their jobs so many marketing people are.
No one said free speech was without consequences.
Isn't it strange that I do not recall anyone doing these asinine public displays of #resist when Obama was in office even though he routinely overstepped his presidential authority.
For the more liberal among us, the Tea Party events were not even close to the mayhem from the currently unhinged progressives between #Antifa(1stA), #resist, public scream at the sky days, etc. Those that did overstep where nearly (if not actually) universally outed as liberal plants.
Also, despite all of the anger and worry and angst, not one of these people that are part of all of these groups/events can name a single, actual, illegal thing that Trump has done. They can point out plenty that they don't agree with and plenty that they don't like and plenty of "general feelings of unrest" but nothing he has actually "done" as President that is illegal or that exceeds his power (unlike Obama).
A Virginia cyclist who was photographed extending her middle finger at President Trump’s motorcade as it drove past her last month has lost her job because of the gesture
No, she lost her job because she embarrassed her employer. This is a marketing company, image is everything. Of course they fired her, they'd be insane not to. She's an idiot.
AReasonableMan said...
Apparently the only viable defense for this outrageous act is, 'Johnny started it'.
11/8/17, 7:23 AM
Right, completely ignore the fact that the company she worked for was a government contractor and she insulted their single customer with a public display of vulgarity. The media didn't help by making a big deal of it but if she would have shown even half of the maturity of her physical years she would have giving maybe 2 seconds of thought to the possible consequences of her emotionally driven action.
As to your other comment, you mean like a rodeo clown that did the same "stunt" to every President but got fired for wearing an Obama mask? Like that? Other than his was not a malicious insult directed at the man.
But sure, you are correct, we are all hypocrites. That is the ticket...
AReasonableMan said...
Principled people have other options.
11/8/17, 7:58 AM
LOL! You have shown by your various comments that to you the word "principled" is a club with which to beat those you disagree with, nothing more, nothing less.
Welcome to sleeping in the bed you (and yours) worked so hard to make. Might want to learn to sleep with one eye open (metaphorically speaking)...
Lautreamont said it is ridiculous to defend first principles, but he's into logical humor.
I see flipping someone off as an act of juvenile defiance, not something a mature 50-year-old woman would do. Perhaps it's the immaturity of the act that got her fired.
ARM: Principled people have other options.
The local brothel madam lecturing the respectable girls about their insufficient attention to the virtues of chastity again, I see.
Make them live by their own rules.
How is it finger flipping lady bikes next to the motorcade? What if she’d worn her bomb vest that day?
Angel-Dyne said...
The local brothel madam
I make no claim to particular virtue, although on this particular issue it would be difficult to find any example of me promoting anything other than a right to say whatever stupid thing someone might want to say. For instance, I am also personally outraged by this firing:
Milo Yiannopoulos loses longtime benefactor and new Daily Caller job
The trader thing is interesting. JSE is thinly traded and it was an illiquid stock but the price movement should have been noticed by regulators anout the time he was reaching the ring finger.
"A Virginia cyclist who was photographed extending her middle finger at President Trump’s motorcade as it drove past her last month has lost her job because of the gesture, [Juli Briskman, 50,] said on Monday
She didn't lose her job because of the gesture. She lost her job because she promoted the image on her social media accounts, and her employer has federal contracts.
Maybe she was fired for being a moron.
There was a woman last year who made art pieces from her trading illiquid stocks but they were abstracts.
She had only worked at that job for about six months, it's likely that she has had a lot of different jobs and might not have a good work history.
This is what I was thinking. Also, Virginia is an at will state and as such, there is no way they told her why they were letting her go. I was in HR and we always told people "this is an at-will release" sometimes even when there was cause because, legally, it's easier. I'm pretty suspicious that things went down exactly as she said. In another story, she says that she wants a new job with Planned Parenthood or the ACLU. This is her motive.
That's a good point, but a key fact here is this is a 50-year-old woman. She's going rogue, taking the social media route and seeing where it gets her. I can see how it might seem like the better choice for her. How do you find yourself tossed out of work at that age and just start over, keeping your head down, trying to be a good girl, a team player. The 50-year-old woman doubles down on fuck you."
Fifty years old and still stuck on stupid. He ex-employer should challenge the unemployment claim. She needs to be woke to the power of self-inflicted stupidity. I see a future for her as a waitress.
I think a finger is a legitimate expression of political sentiment when passed by a motorcade of the opposition, even for a 50 year old woman.
The fuck you sentiment is good as a counterdisplay.
ARM said:
“Imagine the outrage if the roles were reversed.”
Um, no. I don’t really recall anyone on the right demanding that she be fired. No, this is a private company making a private company decision because one of its employees did something petty and childish and publicly embarrasssing to the company. She deserves what she gets.
In all the other examples people have cited, you had a deranged and rabid LEFTIST mob demanding people get fired for political opinions or voting “the wrong way” or Believing something/anything the LEFTISTS just can’t tolerate.
In this case? No mob. See the roles have been reversed. The Left sucks.
She didn't lose her job because of the gesture. She lost her job because she promoted the image on her social media accounts, and her employer has federal contracts.
Her employer has every right to fire her or cancel her contract when her actions are those that will harm her employer's reputation and ability to generate income. She is a detriment to the company.
Had she flipped off the President and then continued on with her life, not making a big social media shit storm of it.....no one would know or care.
50 years old and stuck on stupid indeed.
The company I work for (a large, US based one) mandates that I take an on-line "Preventing Workplace Harassment" training course every two years. I get a reminder email about 30 days in advance and should I miss the deadline my immediate manager is copied on a reminder and I'm threatened with having a demerit or some such added to my Permanent File if I don't comply immediately.
Anyway, I had to redo the course earlier this week and sure enough there is a section on social media behavior and activity. I learned that it is my company's policy that anything I do on social media can be a cause for disciplining me up to and including termination of my employment. This is also documented in the Company Code of Conduct and Employee Manual.
-sw
Unknown another example of how the Big Brother mentality pokes its nose into all our public and private spaces so that the least we can do if flip a finger in protest--once a common gesture that can now get one fired or shot. Sad to see.
another example of how the Big Brother mentality pokes its nose
It's not big brother. It's the mob. The mob loves outrage, it enjoys itself with its own outrage.
HR just responds to the mob, protecting the company from it.
Some mob self-awareness would cure it all. Don't take up that kind of entertainment.
roesch/voltaire said...
Sad to see.
It is. Libertarianism, on both sides of the partisan divide, is in serious decline.
Unknown another example of how the Big Brother mentality pokes its nose into all our public and private spaces so that the least we can do if flip a finger in protest--once a common gesture that can now get one fired or shot. Sad to see.
These are your side's rules. Bankrupt cake bakers and pizza joints sad too. You just don't like them applied to your side.
Apparently the only viable defense for this outrageous act is, 'Johnny started it'.
Principles means unilateral disarmament for our side, what a coincidence for ARM to end up on that side.
It seem that it will not be only conservatives and libertarians targeted by the social racket. The bigotry (i.e. sanctimonious hypocrisy) stops now.
Cooperation is the dominant strategy in this; if both sides agree to a set of rules, then they get enforced. When one side deviates from cooperation, and refuses to return to jolly cooperation, well, I can't blame the opposite side for going tit-for-tat.
Nothing good can come of shooting someone the finger when you are on a bicycle.
Well, maybe if you have a large life insurance policy, and your beneficiaries aren't really that fond of you , at least in comparison with the insurance payout (which I suppose is quite possible if you are the sort of person that goes around shooting people the finger), then I suppose it could be argued that something good could, technically, come from your shooting someone the finger when you are on a bicycle.
Just not to you.
Unless, I suppose, you were planning on killing yourself in a painful manner in the near future anyway. Then, I suppose, it could be argued that something good (for certain narrow definitions of "good") could come to you from your shooting someone the finger when you are on a bicycle.
TestTube said...
Nothing good can come of shooting someone the finger when you are on a bicycle.
11/8/17, 12:09 PM
That is the sort of "real world" evidence that destroys their "Trump is a fascist" arguments AND they are too stupid or ignorant or willfully blinded by hate to see it. If Trump truly were the fascist they claim to fear, they would not DARE pull these stunts. In real fascist countries people are disappeared for much less. As they are all so brazen in their #resist shows they don't believe their own rhetoric.
They don't fear that the IRS will target them or the FBI will kick in their door or the BATF will raid their house or a DA with subpoenas will pull a midnight raid.
Blogger roesch/voltaire said...
"Unknown another example of how the Big Brother mentality pokes its nose into all our public and private spaces so that the least we can do if flip a finger in protest--once a common gesture that can now get one fired or shot. Sad to see. "
You are of course free to gesture anything you want and I would encourage it. However if it reflects badly on your employer it is perfectly reasonable for them to let you go.
Unknown another example of how the Big Brother mentality pokes its nose into all our public and private spaces so that the least we can do if flip a finger in protest--once a common gesture that can now get one fired or shot. Sad to see.
I'm sure you are sad to see that your erstwhile hero Big Brother isn't limiting his coercion and suppression only to people who express opinions *you* don't approve of.
We tried to warn you, bud. But apparently your stupidity and moral deficiencies run so deep that you are bereft of even the rudimentary understanding of self-interest available to honest imbeciles.
It's just another example of how the patriarchy dominates our society. The fuck you finger is a representation of the male sex organ. If women were truly free in our so-called "country" they would offer their childish insults by throwing up a two-fingered "V" or if the object of their disdain was another "female" they could insert a three-fingered "shocker" in its place.
We have a long, long way to go.
Todd,
Well, I was more thinking a general argument against shooting someone the finger while on a bike, rather than a specific, Trump-based, argument.
Thinking of all the possible outcomes of biking along a motorway, then taking your eyes off the road and one hand off the handlebars to make a obscene gesture, which may be interpreted in a number of different ways by a number of different observers, many of whom might not be your intended recipient of the gesture, while you are wrapped around a flimsy metal framework balanced on two wheels, while surrounded by a plethora of hard and abrasive surfaces, whizzing by at high speeds and close distances, some of them attached to heavy vehicles piloted by drivers whose efficacy in keeping said vehicles away from you is not helped by being distracted by that obscene gesture, and who are strangers whose mental state and level of impulse control is suspect at best...
Well, of the vast majority of outcomes I can think of, none are favorable, and a large percentage of them are decidedly unfavorable. Your mileage may vary of course, but with my limited imagination, I am unable to come up with any happy endings to that scenario.
As Kurt Schlichter says, the Leftists will hate the new rules. The ones that apply to them as well as to conservatives.
Tough. Inga, welcome to the world you created.
I am thinking it is not so much the world that Inga created, but the world that the laws of physics and human behavior created.
Of all the things that can happen when you shoot someone the finger while on a moving bicycle in a public motorway, I can think of many bad things and no good things that are reasonably likely to happen.
And that is independent of political climate.
Indeed, I might think that, in the spirit of human compassion and kindness, we might all -- left, right and center -- celebrate that the only outcome of this woman's behavior was the loss of employment.
One can find another job, after all. Much harder to recover from a broken limb or head.
I would not be surprised that the amount of time she remains unemployed is less than the amount of time it would take to heal a case of road rash -- one of the less unpleasant possible outcomes when shooting someone the finger from a moving bicycle on a public motorway.
Roles reversed? How would a 50-year-old nobody bicyclist get to ride in a presidential motorcade? And why would old man Trump be riding a bicycle when he can go in style? I don't see Trump giving the finger to some old broad unless she attempted to mess up his hair/
TestTube, what if she had waved at Trump instead? All of the scenarios you mention could happen with a wave. What if she waved and a Trump hating driver was upset at the friendly gesture? "Ah, there's a Trump voter on a bicycle!"
She wouldn't have been fired if she had waved.
TestTube said...
I would not be surprised that the amount of time she remains unemployed is less than the amount of time it would take to heal...
11/8/17, 1:05 PM
I don't doubt that. The reality is that an actual businessman would view the situation and come to the not unrealistic conclusion that a person of 50 years of age that pulled a "stunt" like this and followed up in the way she has is not a very good long term investment and would "take a knee" on the privilege of hiring her.
Another person that was maybe responsible for a business but upon review of the situation comes to a different conclusion. That being that this individual "sure showed that fascist Trump what for" and decide to help this woman out by giving her a job, not realizing that a person of her age, acting out in such a manner is a likely candidate for doing such foolishness again, bringing an unexpected spotlight on to this person's business along with some unexpected publicity.
Live and learn...
And so it goes.
Imagine the outrage here if the roles were reversed.
The roles have been reversed. Many times.
Now, they're being enforced upon you leftists, as well.
Maybe - if you get bludgeoned hard enough by the rules you apply to everybody else - you'll learn something and knock if off.
Until then? Eat it.
exiled,
Waving while on a moving bicycle on a public motorway is also a bad idea. Not as bad as shooting the finger, but a bad idea nonetheless.
I am a little worried that this is something I have to explicitly point out.
"Waving while on a moving bicycle on a public motorway is also a bad idea. Not as bad as shooting the finger, but a bad idea nonetheless."
That is true. Only one will get you fired. I'm a little worried that I have to explicitly point that out - twice.
Exiled,
Dying due to a serious accident because you waving like an idiot instead of steering your bicycle also leads to you losing your job.
Also, what the heck is wrong with all of you? Why has my originally 12:09 comment NOT been recognized as the heartbreaking work of genius that it obviously is?
Why are there no comments congratulating me on winning the Internet?
Althouse, I know that occasionally you will update your post to highlight a particularly insightful comment, and it is not unknown for you to dedicate a separate post to a spectacularly brilliant comment.
Why has this not been done for my comment?
What task could possibly be more important than highlighting the importance of never ever ever shooting someone the finger while on a moving bicycle in a public motorway?
Please attend to this immediately.
"Another person that was maybe responsible for a business but upon review of the situation comes to a different conclusion."
-- There are enough jobs that see "pissing off President Trump" as a net benefit that I don't think she'll be hurting for too long.
TestTube, I do hand signals when I ride my bike to let drivers and pedestrians know I am about to turn left or right. That necessitates taking my hand off the handlebar and raising it for about as long as it takes to either wave or give the finger. Oh dear, what to do?? Suddenly turning to the left or right without notifying drivers and bikers behind you can be even more hazardous than taking your hand off the bike for 5 seconds.
Gee, let's just ban bikes to be safe.
Liberals are geniuses at unleashing social panics because A) it never occurs to them that their motives are anything but pure and B) because they are almost exclusively focused on short term tactics. And yet they are invariably shocked when these moral frenzies come back to bite them. McCarthyism was a direct consequence of both the Red Scare and the Brown Scare. And when the tactics they mastered were turned on them, they acted as if they came from nowhere. - Jonah Goldberg, Liberal Fascism
The South African finger was a lot more creative. Points for that.
On the up side now this moron can spend all her time on the Resistance.
Exiled,
No need to ban bikes, but perhaps add a few common-sense safety features for consumer safety.
1) A steel frame around the bicyclist, complete with crash crumple zones.
2) Directional signals, on some sort of control attached to the steering device, so that the bicyclist need not remove their hands to indicate turns.
3) While we are at it, a steering wheel instead of handlebars
4) And on the subject of wheels...Two wheels is an unstable configuration, especially when not moving. Add another two wheels -- a four-wheel bicycle
5) Enclose that steel frame surrounding the bicyclist, to protect them from weather. Use a windshield and windows to provide visibility
6) Extend the seat, and provide seatbelts, head restraint and so on
7) This will all add significant weight, so an auxillary power source -- electric or even better, an internal combustion engine, to help propel the (four-wheeled) bicycle.
I think we can all agree that these are reasonable additions that will increase bicycle safety.
Wouldn't role reversal be Trump flipping off bicyclists . Is that impeachable? It's ok in my book.
She would have been the first one to enforce such a policy against anyone that doesn't hold her views. Heck, she probably had a hand in creating the current policy. She just never expected that she would get culled first.
"The 50-year-old woman doubles down on fuck you."
Good for her. Maybe some Left-wing firm will hire her.
The "Heroine" who bravely made an obscene gesture.
Just the kind of thing, liberal like.
"I drove my daughters past Mar a Lago back when you still could while he was there, so they could flip him off. They enjoyed it."
Father of the year.
Hey, it's important for them to know that this is America and a free country.
Firing that finger flipping bint was an act of integrity I would never have expected from the New York Times. If it had been a conservative flipping off a liberal president they would have demanded a firing squad for the perp. This is a message that America’s old barren cat ladies need to reflected back at them: “Fuck you too, you fat old bint!”
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