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Trump speaks on the Las Vegas massacre.
ADDED: President Trump's speech was overwhelmingly about empathy toward the victims. He doesn't name the gunman, he calls it "an act of pure evil," and refers to the ongoing investigation before going on to praising the first responders and then concentrating onto the victims: "We cannot fathom their pain. We cannot imagine their loss."
At the 2 minute point, he turns to religion: "Scripture teaches us the Lord is close to the broken-hearted and saves those who are crushed in spirit. We seek comfort in those words for we know that God lives in the hearts of those who grieve."
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Very presidential.
Unbelievably presidential.
Oh please.
It is such a relief, when Trump gets through a reasonably well-written speech without any personal Trumpist embellishments. Even an ordinary speech that any president could have (and would have) delivered is a relief. No "very bad things," or "bigly," or "believe me."
An excellent statement. He handled that beautifully.
It doesn't play for me. Probably symbolic.
Empathy doesn't sound good though. Is he playing to the women's vote.
It's "big league" not "bigly"
Of course "bigly" was "big league" and Chuck knows that unless he is stupid. And that's a big "if."
After an hour of cable News gurus predicting Trump was a known divisive misspeak clown, so he better take their advice and speak right, the President spoke a perfect 10 of comforting speeches. Most pastors will be jealous of his skill level at doing their job. He hit the heart of the matter: that God is present with the suffering.
The poor cable news gurus now say he had an accident...or they give all credit to General Kelly living inside Trump.
If the killer were hold up in a Trump hotel and casino, Trump would first want to know if the guy paid his hotel bill, and casino marker.
Reagan had a good speech for the Space Shuttle thing, which I remember as pre-written. Evil played no part in that one.
There's a well-worn path to it all though.
Eager nation awaits in modern times. Newspaper-only eras were different.
When I say "the asshole left" you know what I mean.
glad Trump didn't mention the A-holes name.
Trump is amazing.
rhhardin: Feel free to sit out the next few plays. As in, put a sock in it.
Of course he doesnt talk about the older white male shooter.
If they were brown or Islamic he sure would have.
But he cannot appear to criticize his voer base or gun owners.
We need judges with number cards to hold up for Presidential empathy speeches.
Suppose empathy orgies are the problem.
"When I say "the asshole left" you know what I mean."
When I say "the asshole right" look in the mirror.
Entertainment takes many forms.
The news genre tear jerker is one.
Then there's news gaslighting, slightly related to the empathy orgy.
We need a poll. Are you enjoying the Las Vegas shooting coverage Y/N.
Look, we all know this lunatic was either a Muslim or a leftist. If he wasn't, we'd have heard by now. Radio silence from the Media means they are having a very hard time trying to figure out how to blame Trump or conservatives.
So we are getting the usual: "Because a Democrat person went cray cray with the guns, we must strip all Americans --in particular all Christians and conservatives-- of their right to self defense so more of our Democrat criminal base can rage unhindered and rape and murder and steal!"
--Vance
@rhhardin, do you have a spot in your poll for "I with to Hell it had never happened?"
Catch-22
Dear Mrs., Mr., Miss, or Mr. and Mrs. _______: Words cannot express the deep personal grief I experienced when your husband, son, father, or brother was killed, wounded, or reported missing in action.
@rhhardin, do you have a spot in your poll for "I with to Hell it had never happened?"
So you're enjoying the coverage.
Sympathy for a friend has some actual meaning. Sympathy for an unconnected stranger is self-entertainment.
If I say "Sorry about your father" that doesn't mean I'm sorry; it means I cut you some slack for a while. You don't have to laugh at the same jokes I've told for years. I'll understand if some social conventions are not enforced.
You have a use for that sympathy. It gives you room.
For an unconnected stranger, there's no use at all for your sympathy. It's you entertaining yourself.
The media bring every tragedy into your neighborhood; but it's only in your actual neighborhood that it matters, not the virtual neighborhood.
Of course he doesnt talk about the older white male shooter.
If they were brown or Islamic he sure would have.
But he cannot appear to criticize his voer base or gun owners.
This too stupid even for you. NOT giving the evildoer a platform is the poinbt.
point
the Lord is close to the broken-hearted and saves those who are crushed in spirit.
"The Lord" sounds like one of those sci-fi/horror creatures that feed on human fear and pain. Apparently after causing it, in this case.
rhhardin said...
Catch-22
10/2/17, 10:29 AM
Just because you have a God given right to be an ass doesn't mean you must constantly exercise that right. Learn some moderation, please.
Very good speech, Mr. President.
Yes, good speeches are much less important than good policies. Yes, sometimes Presidents seize on tragedies to improve their poll numbers. Yes, sometimes opposition parties seize on tragedies to drive down the poll numbers of their opponents. But that's life. Doesn't detract from a good speech.
I've never seen rhhardin post so prolifically as in the past few days. Perhaps he's filling in for Ritmo. He's sounding more like Ritmo, too.
Just because you have a God given right to be an ass doesn't mean you must constantly exercise that right. Learn some moderation, please.
Those social forces are more interesting than anything else going on.
It's a form of hysteria right before our eyes.
rhhardin's Asperger's has been coming through loud and clear the past few weeks.
Only women feel empathy when a mass murder occurs. If we were all like rhhardin we would feel nothing at all.
Don't be like rhhardin.
In the meantime, Hillary is tweeting about the NRA.
Stupid, soulless bitch.
>Those social forces are more interesting than anything else going on.
To those hatched from the breeder pods beneath the twin moons of Remulak-4, perhaps. Normal humans get it.
The feelings weep when they must, as when they need not. Analysis of the feelings does not weep. It possesses a latent sensibility which catches one off guard, prevails over miseries, teaches how to dispense with a guide, provides a combat weapon. The feelings, sign of weakness, are not feeling! The analysis of feeling, sign of strength, generates the most magnificent feelings I know. The writer who is taken in by feelings must not be placed on a par with the writer who is taken in neither by feelings nor himself. Youth intends sentimental lucubrations. Maturity begins to reason without confusion. He was only feeling, he thinks. He used to let his sensations wander: now he gives them a pilot. If I liken humanity to a woman, I shall not expatiate upon her youth's being on the wane and the approach of her middle-age. Her mind changes for the better. Her ideal of poetry will change. Tragedies, poems, elegies will no longer take precedence. The coolness of the maxim shall prevail!
- Lautreamont
Fernandinande said: ""The Lord" sounds like one of those sci-fi/horror creatures that feed on human fear and pain. Apparently after causing it, in this case."
I know your style is ridicule, but you may want to read the book of Genesis and then John. Develop a sense for the root of good and evil.
Feelings gave us Obama. Estrogen orgies at every rally.
"Feelings gave us Obama. Estrogen orgies at every rally."
Feelings gave us Trump. Testosterone poisoning at every rally.
Non-PC gave us Trump. Everybody else was deep state, more of the same that you don't like.
Trump is bending to PC but Trumpism lives on, I gather.
"Testosterone poisoning at every rally."
Certainly no danger of that at a Hillary or Bernie rally. Those crowds are decidedly low-T even if you exclude the females.
"Non-PC gave us Trump."
Non-PC is motivated by feelings.
Darrell said...
Of course "bigly" was "big league" and Chuck knows that unless he is stupid. And that's a big "if."
Oh, I am more than happy to acknowledge that Trump has said "big league." If you say it was never "bigly," I am fine with that too!
And my original post up above wouldn't change one bit, if we substituted "big league" for "bigly."
"Big league" it is! Quite happily, I stand corrected on that. And again I say that I am glad that Trump stuck to the speech and left all of the "big leagues" and other Trumpisms out of it. Pretty much every single time that Trump sticks to his prepared words -- 100% to those prepared words -- he gets favorable reviews from the people with whom he is otherwise losing.
I suppose that some cadre of Trump fanatics loves Trump's free-association rants. But Trump already has that faction sewn up. He doesn't need to play to that crowd. He could shoot somebody, etc., etc., etc., etc. This is how he gets the rest of the country to hate him just a little less.
Non-PC is motivated by feelings.
Usually by analysis.
PC is to thwart analysis.
---Blogger Chuck said...
It is such a relief, when Trump gets through a reasonably well-written speech without any personal Trumpist embellishments. Even an ordinary speech that any president could have (and would have) delivered is a relief. No "very bad things," or "bigly," or "believe me."---
Like an orgasmic relief that you feel compelled to focus on exclusively day after day after day? You are such a hero, orgasming to Trump for our benefit. Thanks again Chuck, although beware ironically without Trump to stop the illegals flowing across the border you just might find yourself out of work; lot of Trump hate-masturbation South of the border friendo.
He'll get criticized for the religious part. Despite the fact that it was OK to kneel and pray before the anthem just a day ago.
Great speech. In a subtle way he is appealing to both the religious believers and the secularists, each of whom work to form a real society based on shared values and common aspirations - rather than a fake unity of the sort that so worries certain commenters that they oppose all symbols of unity. Not mentioning anything about the shooter is part of Trump's effort to build a real social union. I think Trump knows what the shooter's motivations were, I think we are all reading between the lines, and we all think we know. Trump is interpreting the moment as a time to try to bring together religious people and secularists, appealing to the better angels of our nature.
Serious life changing losses that come unexpectedly shakes faith in true believers who wonder how the God who favors them could let that happen. But God by his spiritual presence then reassures them at those moments that they are still His and the apple of His eye.
If you are not a Christian, disregard this advice and go on hating Trump for being a sincere Christian. It's Trump's mothers fault. Those Isle of Lewis Presbyterians had far more than their share of such experience during WWI which before it was over had killed close to all their men, providently leading the single young ladies to sail off to New York. The rest is history.
Hey Chuck, I have an old friend who served under Reagan, Bush and Bush, and when Trump came along and cleared the field, my friend became a Never-Trumper and publicly announced he voted for Clinton. Then Trump appointed my friend’s good buddy Neil Gorsuch to the Court. My friend has now recanted... . Aren’t you in the same space?
Hillary spoke (tweeted) too:
"Our grief isn't enough. We can and must put politics aside, stand up to the NRA, and work together...."
Somebody thinks somebody is stupid.
I probably speak for others here, but Trump is doing a decent job of growing into the job. This sort of speech is one of the things that I missed from GW Bush. Obama just couldn't do the consoler-in-chief thing very well. Partly, I think that it was because he was too narcissistic and empathy empaired. And he tended to make everything personal and political. There is a time for politics, but this isn't the time or place. And, keeping with the program, Crooked Hillary has already slammed the NRA and silencers for the killings. We sure dodged a bullet there.
Well, some on the left are not even attempting to fake compassion, the way Hillary is:
"A top legal executive at CBS, Hayley Geftman-Gold, said she "is not even sympathetic" for the victims of the shooting at a country music festival at Mandalay Bay in Las Vegas Sunday night.
"If they wouldn't do anything when children were murdered I have no hope that Repugs will ever do the right thing," wrote Geftman-Gold on Facebook, perhaps referring to Sandy Hook. "I'm actually not even sympathetic bc country music fans often are Republican gun toters."
Kudos for honesty I guess.
A top CBS exec. Will she go home this evening and drink a toast in celebration of the deaths of deplorables? Ritmo was awfully happy when Houston got hit.
Leftists really do want us dead.
Hardin doesn't need to convince himself over and over and over that he is a good person because he feels bad when mass homicide occurs. Because he would have to feel like a phony dupe for feeling the need for empathy he assumes most everyone else does also unless they logically reach the same conclusion he has.
I agree with him. O'Reilly years ago gave shit to the media for endlessly showcasing mass killers as it can be an incentive for others to do the same, and coming from the guy who showed every sex story he could as a way to condemn the culture while tantalizing viewers the notion we ought not celebrate the martyrdom of homicidal killers is worthy.
Offered thoughts and prayers to those suffering are objectively important in the majority of middle-class American tragedies whether due to some placebo effect or not.
Unknown said...
"Non-PC gave us Trump."
Non-PC is motivated by feelings"
PC is motivated by shit for brains like you.
Reuters reports the shooter is a recent convert to Islam.
Updated toll from Las Vegas mass murder: 58 dead, 515 wounded
"Hayley Geftman-Gold" sounds like she had to work forty-seven and two-tenths of a unit harder than any man or right-winger so she is more than entitled, but by necessity in fact, must conceive of herself as superior in every way to the cattle slaughtered at country music concerts.
I agree her honesty is impressive.
"We need judges with number cards to hold up for Presidential empathy speeches."
Obviously, you've never been on Twitter or Facebook.
rhhardin is right, people love rolling in crocodile tears shed by bottle blondes who emote the news. It's fucking sick. Time will tell what actually happened.
Spare me.
"..people love rolling in crocodile tears shed by bottle blondes who emote the news."
Agreed. It's important that Brunettes be allowed to emote as well.
brylun said...
Hey Chuck, I have an old friend who served under Reagan, Bush and Bush, and when Trump came along and cleared the field, my friend became a Never-Trumper and publicly announced he voted for Clinton. Then Trump appointed my friend’s good buddy Neil Gorsuch to the Court. My friend has now recanted... . Aren’t you in the same space?
I was never exactly a never-Trumper. I frantically hoped that Trump wouldn't get the nomination, and I am still furious that he did.
But I voted for Trump in the general. For me, it was an obvious political choice. And at the top of the list making it an obvious choice was the matter of the Supreme Court. And I think that the choice of Neil Gorsuch was inspired and brilliant. With much of that credit going to Leonard Leo of the Federalist Society. And with much of the confirmation battle credit going to Mitch McConnell, for his role in attaining a Republican majority in the Senate, and then in getting Gorsuch through a confirmation vote. (To say nothing of McConnell's holding up the Merrick Garland hearing and vote.)
Does Trump get credit for winning the 2016 presidential race, and being able to make that pick? Maybe. I do think that Hillary was such a rotten candidate that Jeb Bush, Marco Rubio or John Kasich would have beaten her, and perhaps by a bigger margin than Trump, so there's that.
So I have nothing to "recant." I hate Trump with a passion, but I voted for him as the least-worst option. None of my personal opinions have changed. I still hate Trump, and adore Justice Gorsuch.
"crocodile tears shed by bottle blondes who emote the news"
Well, I have no idea if she is blonde or not, but one CBS exec isn't even bothering with crocodile tears.
"I'm actually not even sympathetic bc country music fans often are Republican gun toters."
I expect Howard and many other leftists will raise a glass to the murderer and bless him for ridding the world of some Untermenschen.
I wouldn't vote Jeb Bush!
I wouldn't vote for Marco Rubio.
And I certainly wouldn't vote for John Katshit.
None of those would inspire anyone outside the Party faithful to vote for them, either. They would have all lost to Hillary.
exiled: rhhardin's Asperger's has been coming through loud and clear the past few weeks.
Only women feel empathy when a mass murder occurs. If we were all like rhhardin we would feel nothing at all.
rh is the most thorough-going sentimentalist on this blog. I mean that in all seriousness. Look at the "solutions" he chronically proposes for the most intractable problems of our society. Sunsong herself evinces a more realistic and hard-headed grasp of social dynamics.
(It's not that he's wrong about "soap opera women" per se. It's just that his more and more agitated repetition of his very limited set of themes is less and less pertinent to events.)
Does Trump get credit for winning the 2016 presidential race, and being able to make that pick? Maybe.
LOL
Just read that and let it sink in!
Absolutely perfect coming from a guy who had no idea what was happening in his own state!
Absolutely perfect coming from a guy who had no idea what was happening in his own state!
United States presidential election in Michigan, 2012
Michigan
← 2008 November 6, 2012 2016 →
President Barack Obama, 2012 portrait crop.jpg Mitt Romney by Gage Skidmore 8.jpg
Nominee Barack Obama Mitt Romney
Party Democratic Republican
Home state Illinois Massachusetts
Running mate Joe Biden Paul Ryan
Electoral vote 16 0
Popular vote 2,564,569 2,115,256
Percentage 54.21% 44.71%
United States presidential election in Michigan, 2016
Michigan
← 2012 November 8, 2016 2020 →
Turnout 64.7%% Steady[1]
Donald Trump Pentagon 2017.jpg
Hillary Clinton by Gage Skidmore 2.jpg
Nominee Donald Trump Hillary Clinton
Party Republican Democratic
Home state New York New York
Running mate Mike Pence Tim Kaine
Electoral vote 16 0
Popular vote 2,279,543 2,268,839
Percentage 47.50% 47.27%
Discuss.
Chuck will say Blacks stayed home. OK, HRC's numbers dropped around 300K from BHO's in 2012. Now, where did DJT gain 165K votes? Over a Michigan favorite son, nonetheless?
"Gunman". Anyone who says "gunman" but says "police officer" and "firefighter" instead of "policeman" and "fireman" is a sexist and a bigot.
""Gunman". Anyone who says "gunman" but says "police officer" and "firefighter" instead of "policeman" and "fireman" is a sexist and a bigot."
What would you prefer: "gunperson"? I guess though I probably would have used "shooter" in order to not being more sexist than usual.
"Sympathy for an unconnected stranger is self-entertainment."
No, it's part of how people form social units, by collectively constructing a group identity.
If you are part of my social group - or even just someone who shares my values - I will identify with you to some extent, not want to see harm done to you, and/or will regret whatever harm is done to you. (This appears to be what makes us all able to enjoy storytelling.)
This btw is why "empathy" is a lousy replacement for ethics - because when and whether we empathize with someone depends on whether we recognize them as sharing our values or being part of the group identity we're invested in constructing.
"Sympathy for an unconnected stranger is self-entertainment."
No, it's not. I'm afraid you are projecting your own dearth of humanity on others.
Before commenting, suppose you go to your nearest post office and see if there's a flag at half staff. If there is, then suppose you think about what that means and about whether your comment is appropriate at this time.
If the killer were hold up in a Trump hotel and casino, Trump would first want to know if the guy paid his hotel bill, and casino marker.
Fuck you, you ghoul.
Gahrie,
I stand by every word of my pithy, apropos statement about money-crazed Trump.
You are the vulgar one, and should be fined for every piece of foul garbage that exits your potty pouting mouth. The pot of money derived from your insults should be sent to the numerous victims of the gun-crazed Las Vegas hotel & casino mass murderer. His crimes should be avenged by outlawing guns and hunting everywhere.
>I stand by every word of my pithy, apropos statement about money-crazed Trump.
Well, of course. You're a terrible excuse for a human being.
Well, of course. You're a terrible excuse for a human being.
10/3/17, 3:54 AM
I have concluded that Trumpit is insane and so I ignore him. You do not stop to argue with the loon screaming on the street corner.
"You're a terrible excuse for a human being."
Takes one to know one.
>Takes one to know one.
You must be a Koch Brothers Moby. There's no way an actual person could be this lame.
No, it's really him. He's a psycho. He killed his mother and got away with it, and the guilt is killing him, so now he spins fantasies about bad doctors and hospitals.
>No, it's really him. He's a psycho.
Ah, thanks. I've long suspected that most crazy people are lefties.
I'm a moby? I hardly hide my true feelings. For example, Bad Lieutenant is a damnable liar and libeler, and has expressed murderous intent on this blog and should be investigated by the FBI before he carries out a terrorist attack like the one in Vegas. He should be banned from this blog and from the universe. I believe that he writes his inane comments from a prison computer in a maximum security federal facility for the criminally insane. If he lived in Saudi Arabia, his fingers would be cut off, and perhaps other parts of his anatomy.
Oh, Trumpit, I apologize. I forgot that you identify as female.
>I have concluded that Trumpit is insane and so I ignore him.
You give excellent advice and I hope that I will have the wit to listen in the future.
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