I thought that went very well for both men, and it was surprising and nice how much they agreed, notably about the power of comedy to transcend political lines and recombine people in new ways. These 2 made a great team, and I think Maher saw a lot of himself in Milo.
ADDED: Yesterday on this blog, we were talking about a Reason.com piece by Robby Soave. Soave disrespected the comic version of political speech:
Too many right-leaning student groups have lost interest in inviting speakers who are knowledgeable about philosophy and policy: they would rather score easy outrage points with provocateurs.He's talking about Milo (as the link makes clear).
What I said yesterday was: "I don't agree with Soave's disapproval. I think you can have philosophers and policy wonks and also lively provocateurs...."
Seeing Milo and Maher working together in that clip — and going meta about how political comedy works — reinforces my strong belief in the value of comic speech.
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Good stuff. Yet, Maher doesn't understand, or pretends not to understand, how fabulous a boon to free speech President Trump is.
This is who Milo is. All of the outrage over him is laughable and shows that Millenials are the most pro-establishment youth group in recent history. They don't want to rebel against ANYTHING. They want to be tucked in.
Didn't one of Maher's guests bitch out and refuse to come because Milo is darned triggering?
And Larry WIlmore is an asshole.
I liked milo in this interview and I have never heard him speak. She should lay off on the pearls though.
Milo is so quick and unrepentant and comfortable. First time to see him. I can see why libs are afraid.
She does look like Bruno and needs to lose some weight. She would be cooler if she was stacked.
Everybody should watch Milo in any of his numerous TV appearances in the UK. He is sharp as a knife and doesn't tolerate idiotic bullshit quietly. He is what Jon Stewart always wished to be...able to take down rivals without having to edit interviews to help him.
I wonder how pearls would work for me. Jeans, workshirt (open a few buttons), welding gloves and those fabulous pearls. Damn, just the thought of it makes me hot. Industrial queen of the factory floor. I can't wait for Monday morning!
Probably the first time many who hate him have actually seen him.
That could apply to both men to some degree, but I am speaking of Milo.
I would think these people would now feel embarrassed:
THIS is what I am so afraid of?
Everyone now sees me as afraid of THIS GUY?
You might as well be terrified of Smurfs.
I am Laslo.
How do you know they are not terrified of Smurfs?
>THIS is what I am so afraid of?
If you spend $250k and four years of your life to acquire a worldview, and some vamp shows up and demolishes it four words, fear is a rational reaction.
Maher doesn't like personal attacks? Does he really not go after conservatives personally? I used to watch his shows and I don't remember that compunction.
Too bad he cut it off when they came to Trump.
Damn, my Wifi is at a crawl this morning. Hope to be able to view it later.
Milo is also testament to how much change there has been among conservatives in the last decade or so. Who woudda thunk that the hero of young, mostly male college conservatives would be a British, ethnically part-Jewish, religiously Catholic, & bluntly, a flamer of a homosexual who very upfront about his preference for black boyfriends.
I just imagine Milo on Bill Buckley's Firing Line from years ago, with Buckley explaining, in that erudite voice of his, that according to his understanding of Thomistic axioms of morality, St. Thomas did not see a place for black cock as a moral good.
The difference is, Milo admits to being a partisan, and Maher pretends to be objective.
Maher's one saving grace is that he does not like the PC bs which is why he enjoyed Hitchens and enjoys Coulter.
"The goose-step, for instance, is one of the most horrible sights in the world, far more terrifying than a dive-bomber. It is simply an affirmation of naked power; contained in it, quite consciously and intentionally, is the vision of a boot crashing down on a face. Its ugliness is part of its essence, for what it is saying is ‘Yes, I am ugly, and you daren't laugh at me’, like the bully who makes faces at his victim. Why is the goose-step not used in England? There are, heaven knows, plenty of army officers who would be only too glad to introduce some such thing. It is not used because the people in the street would laugh."
>Too bad he cut it off when they came to Trump.
I don't know what the arrangement was, but it seems that Maher had a very short time window.
I doubt my reaction was unique. I want to watch these guys talk for an hour. It would be entertaining, fun, informative, outrageous and would be the talk of the town for a few days at least.
I think Maher is going to think it over. If it were up to him he would do it tomorrow. But I suspect it isn't.
Great interview. Milo is a sharp guy. But I can see how his politically incorrect opinions coupled with his exaggerated "faggy" mannerisms could rub people the wrong way. The key point though is that "rubbing people the wrong way" does not justify riots, violence, property damage or censorship.
Laslo wrote:
"Probably the first time many who hate him have actually seen him."
I will bet last night most of Maher's regular audience refused to watch at all.
I have always had a fairly high opinion of Maher, despite some of the stupid things he says and believes- he isn't anywhere close to being as intellectually stunted and close-minded as, let's say, Samantha Bee or pretty much any syndicated columnist on either side of the political divide. I have wondered, though, whether or not my opinion of him is shaped by some extent by the sheer stupidity of the guests he has from the Left- maybe he is making himself look better by inviting onto his show the absolute dregs of the Left?
It was good. I can also see many refusing to watch,
The left would put us all in concentration camps, "for our own good."
Smilo, the Controversial Fuzzy Troll...
"Smilo, what do you say about people describing you as hateful?"
"They so silly! Silly-willy! I have a smile for eveyrbody!"
"Well, you have posted some controversial statements..."
"Peoples: sometimes they cannot see the rainbow behind the unicorns!"
"Here are a few things you've said: "Lena Dunham is a Bag of Sad Potatoes..."
"Oh, yes, I said that! And isn't she, really? I look at her and I see a Bag of Sad Potatoes..."
"And here's another: "Sarah Silverman should've stayed with Jewish Poop jokes."
"Oh yes! EVERYBODY loves poop jokes!"
"But what about the 'Jewish' part?"
"Well, she makes a lot of jokes about being Jewish. And she poops. I poop, and I have a furry butt! Let me tell you, sometimes that's not funny, which only makes it funnier!"
"How about "Matt Damon is a gay Smurf"?
"Look at him! If I were a Smurf I'd fuck him! Oh oh: I said a nasty word! No unicorn for me!"
"Do you think people SHOULD be offended at what you say?"
"I'm a three-foot furry gay troll, but I don't get offended by the 'Lucky Charms' Leprechaun, do I?"
"Smilo, I'm not sure what that even means..."
"Hee Hee! You silly-willy! EVERYONE has a poop-hole! Once you think about that how can you be offended by anything? Even unicorns have poop-holes!"
"That's an interesting point-of-view..."
"Even YOU have a poop-hole! Is your poop-hole male or female?"
"Excuse me...?"
Is your poop-hole male or female? C'mon you can tell us..."
I'm a man, so I guess that would make my poop-hole male..."
"Uh Oh! You just offended a lot of people who claim to have transgender poop-holes! See how easy this is?"
"I'm afraid we're out of time, Smilo...'
"Thank you! Enjoy your Golden Showers!"
"What? I don't 'do' Golden Showers..."
"Uh Oh! As Britney would say: 'Oops, you did it again!'
"Did what?"
You offended some more people! Some people LIKE peeing on people! Let's face it: people are fucked up, and fucked-up people are always offended! Oh oh: I said a nasty word again! No unicorn for me!"
"Well, thank you, Smilo, you certainly are... interesting...."
"I'm a four-leaf clover! "I'm a four-leaf clover..."
I am Laslo.
Not a fan of Bill M. But I give him credit. He talks WITH the guests he disagrees with.
And, Bill Maher gets a ton of credit for having Milo on the show and affirming that a difference of opinion isn't a big deal.
Maher might be one of last honest, honorable liberals standing. He and Glen Greenwald.(and a few commentators here)
This interview with Milo on CNBC's Power Lunch is also very good. You can see in the last third or so of the interview that John Harwood (the male host on the panel), seems to be warming up to Milo, in spite of himself. The female host who's doing most of the interviewing, Michelle Caruso-Cabrera, never quite seems to get to the point of sympathy.
Milo's also better dressed in this interview.
Maher might be one of last honest, honorable liberals standing. He and Glen Greenwald.(and a few commentators here)
Did Greenwald ever admit, and apologize for, his scokpuppeting?
Milo has his shtick and Maher has his own shtick. they're entertainers playing to their crowd.
I watched and thought it amusing that this gay representative for the right is considered so threatening and needs to be silenced. Good for Maher to have this show and demonstrate the value of comic speech and the pearls of wisdom.
Bay Area Guy: And, Bill Maher gets a ton of credit for having Milo on the show and affirming that a difference of opinion isn't a big deal.
I'll give him a lot more credit if he brings Milo back and gets down to debating the subject that got cut off at the end. You know, the stuff they disagree about. What I saw was pretty much a self-congratulatory introductory exchange about how great it is that they can listen to each other and agree to disagree.
Have heard him speak. He took tough questions from a mixed audience, addressed them with humor and occasional substance, disarmed the opposition, and was quick on his feet, in good Oxbridge debating style.
"Too many right-leaning student groups have lost interest in inviting speakers who are knowledgeable about philosophy and policy: they would rather score easy outrage points with provocateurs." Wait, when did student groups favor such supposed heavyweights? How many is "too many"? What proportion of invited speakers are now "provocateurs"--and by whose standards? And what right-wing speaker is not a "provocateur" on any campus these days?
Fernandinande quoting Orwell: Why is the goose-step not used in England? There are, heaven knows, plenty of army officers who would be only too glad to introduce some such thing. It is not used because the people in the street would laugh."
Sadly (rather more than sadly, heartbreakingly), England has had a lot of goose-steppers in the streets (and everywhere else) for a while now, and the English are afraid to laugh at them.
Weirdly I am warming up to Bill lately. I'm impressed with his openness to having Milo on.
The only reasons that Milo is considered a conservative is that he believe that the US is the greatest nation ever, and that he actually believes in the first two amendments.
My view on Maher funs hot and cold. Here, I give him kudos, willing to go where so few on the left are willing to go.
Part of why Milo is so dangerous, of course, and why the left just goes bonkers with him, is that he is so unrepentantly gay, yet is a vigorous, very public, supporter of Trump. The narrative, of course, is that Trump is a horrible homophobe, along with being sexist, racist, antisemitic, etc. Gays are a Dem party constituency, and he is off thee reservation. Way off, in a very visible way. Of course, gay solidarity has never been as strong as, say, black or Jewish solidarity (and, hence, maybe, Maher's point about Milo being half Jewish). And, indeed, we are seeing splits right now between the lesbians running the feminist movement and the trannies wanting to use their bathrooms (just as Blacks are discovering that the Dems have given their jobs to Hispanic illegals).
Of course, Trump is not even remotely a homophobe, as Milo tried to point out (for example, supporting gay marriage long before Obama or Crooked Hillary). Nor, of course, antisemitic, having spent his career in the NY real estate market, and with his closest advisor (his son-in-law), daughter, and grandkids being Jewish. (I love the cognitive dissonance a lot of Jews are going through right now with Trump - I remember a conversation a month or two ago when a friend told me of how antisemitic Trump was, then a couple minutes later was telling me essentially the inside betting lines of which synagogue the Kushners would probably join in DC). But, as I pointed out above, it is all about keeping voting blocks in line, by trying to scare them.
Finally got to watch it. The point that Milo is trying to make--but which seems to make little or no impact on his host--is that words can be shrugged off so there should be no ban on using them. Rioting, beating and vandalizing cannot simply be ignored. I've never watched Maher before. Not impressed.
Milo has always reminded me of my old friend, Tim, who was just as outré as Milo and just as clever. He kept me in stitches. I miss him.
I found Maher quite condescending in this clip. It's his show and he is in charge but he wasn't letting anyone move off the reservation.
YoungHegelian said...
Who woudda thunk that the hero of young, mostly male college conservatives would be a British, ethnically part-Jewish, religiously Catholic, & bluntly, a flamer of a homosexual
Anyone familiar with gay Catholic conservatives. There have been a surprising number for many years.
I found Maher quite condescending in this clip. It's his show and he is in charge but he wasn't letting anyone move off the reservation.
I agree, ARM. I also thought he was more than a bit ill-at-ease.
Larry Willmore lost a show on Comedy Central. Let that sink in, and also note that a guy's that rolls bowling balls into his nuts and makes fun of internet videos still has a show on that network.
FYI, look for the Overtime clip of the Bill Maher show. There is more Milo talking to the panel that was cut from the broadcast for time.
You have to admire Milo's courage and aplomb. The fact that that he is so flamingly gay helps to highlight his courage. He is far more subversive of gay stereotypes than any of the pro forma gay spokesmen....... I watch the Maher show. I don't especially like him, but he does have conservatives on his panels and they are given license to occasionally win the arguments. I also give him credit for not restricting his criticism of religion to Christians.
Milo and Maher are two sides of the same coin. They both can make good points, and they both sometimes say pretty outrageous stuff to get a reaction. Maher is on the left, so he gets a TV show. Milo is on the right so he gets the riots. Maybe they should get their own show, M&M.
"Too many right-leaning student groups have lost interest in inviting speakers who are knowledgeable about philosophy and policy: they would rather score easy outrage points with provocateurs."
I think this gets it entirely wrong. They would rather invite speakers who are knowledgeable about philosophy and policy. But having had those speakers victimized by outraged provocateurs who won't let them speak, these groups have popularized someone who meets the audience where they are at.
Milo is popular right now precisely because he is the intellectual mirror image of those who want to control free-speech. Right-leaning groups will return to inviting more speakers who are knowledgeable about philosophy and policy when there's a return to honest debate and conversation among students who are knowledgeable about philosophy and policy.
And of course Milo is knowledgeable about philosophy and policy, in their current forms. The opposing student groups have a particular philosophy and policies that Milo is distinctly addressing. He's identified a core problem in academic discourse and is profiting from addressing it in a incisive way.
I don't like Trump or him, but it's pretty clear they've both targeted a foundational problem, that those who are part of the problem, who profit from the problem, don't want addressed.
Yeah, but if you saw the "Overtime" video (which doesn't air on HBO, only online), thy put Milo with the panel and 2 out of the 3 panelists end up telling him to "F*** Off". lol
"Too many right-leaning student groups have lost interest in inviting speakers who are knowledgeable about philosophy and policy: they would rather score easy outrage points with provocateurs."
The problem is that the conservative speakers "knowledgeable about philosophy and policy" have shown themselves to be cuckservatives, incapable of conserving anything. They babbled for years about Russell Kirk and the Federalist papers and then - in the real world - refused to oppose Hillary by supporting Trump. If can't translate theory into practice, people lose interest.
Of course, its also a false choice. People want to be entertained AND listen to serious speakers. Its not like you can only do both.
Somehow the Left always manages to do both. They also - when in power - push their policies on social issues, economic issues, and every other issue.
The Right however, is always full of people wagging their finger about how we need to stop talking about X or pushing policy Y because we can only do one thing at a time.
That was a boring interview. They were stifling themselves. I'd have liked to see them get into the weeds of some of these issues and then see that polite facade crumble.
Maher is getting DESTROYED (John Oliver style) on twitter by the same people who now hate Jimmy Fallon and Brian Williams for being open to other viewpoints.
I assume, the point is not to get Maher, but to make sure everyone else gets in line.
@Bruce: "Part of why Milo is so dangerous, of course, and why the left just goes bonkers with him, is that he is so unrepentantly gay" True. Party discipline comes first. Can't have anyone wander off the plantation/reservation. Heretics are worse than mere unbelievers.
I heard Milo: there's nothing extreme in his speech, unless one finds disagreement an extreme experience.
What Soave writes is quite unfair:he seems to imply that animosity arose from the provocations of these conservative guests, while everybody knows that aggressive provocation started when the "inclusive" left harassed everybody if the invited speaker was not of their liking. It's not surprising that only "fighting" guest would accept to face a mob shouting slogans for hours.
Same thing happening, since a long time, in my country: it's a thing of the left (it was typical of the Fascist squads, especially in the Padan region; but the Communist squads have never been much different in this regard, even in the 1920s); it's as if they believe to be entitled to such group behavior.
"Anyone familiar with gay Catholic conservatives. There have been a surprising number for many years."
Half the staff of National Review and 7/8ths of the staff of The New Criterion, no doubt. But not many who are as out as Milo.
Maher did a good job proving that Bruno Snuffleupagus just craves attention in as lowdown a manwhorish way as he can get it. Bruno even did that jilted smirky wincing thing when Maher zinged him that told you he wanted to sleep with the host.
Bruno's not all that interesting. At the end of the day he's just a sado-masochist like any other American conservative professional victim. He gets off on degrading others as much as he invites it against himself; the former is bait for the latter. His biggest high is just finding someone with the wits to do it as cleverly as Maher came to doing it. Anyone can rail against PC. Bruno does not get extra points for declaring that decency is dead, also.
Milo wins again. He is like Trump, in that people are getting tired of his free speech winning every communications battle.
And we do miss Joan Rivers. Joan was another of those unexplained sudden deaths.
I agree with Ann that Bill and Milo are both very entertaining. And smart. Who actually cares about the politics if are laughing or being entertained?
"...craves attention in as lowdown a manwhorish way as he can get it. "
"...that told you he wanted to sleep with the host. "
Slut-shaming a Gay Man.
I thought only Gay Men could do that to each other.
There is a joke that can be extrapolated from that last line, but I'll refrain: I am a Sensitive Man...
I am Laslo.
Milo is also testament to how much change there has been among conservatives in the last decade or so. Who woudda thunk that the hero of young, mostly male college conservatives would be a British, ethnically part-Jewish, religiously Catholic, & bluntly, a flamer of a homosexual who very upfront about his preference for black boyfriends.
I think Bruno is more a testament to his repressive British (and Catholic?) upbringing than anything else. He uses the openness of America and our culture and speech laws to drive home as hard as he can a point that could and should play much better in his own island nation that it does or would here. Of course he is the darling to the conservatives here who have no other instinct to which to appeal than ethnic/nationalistic/religious defensiveness, but that is a limited crowd. There are abuses on campuses that are now being dealt with and/or rolled back, but that's not what keeps conservatives on them a minority. His smirky cutesy Sarah Silverman "Did I really say that?!" routine gets attention here but the arcane points and bitchy personal attacks he spends all his time playing with are bred out of the British fixation with silly details and propriety, respectively.
traditionalguy said...
Joan was another of those unexplained sudden deaths.
Not really. She was 81 years old. The house has stacked odds at that point.
"The left would put us all in concentration camps, 'for our own good' "
Yes Michael K, put another way, these Gnostic "progressives" (i.e., totalitarians ala philosopher Eric Voegelin) in possession of what they believe to be "The Vision of the Anointed" (to borrow a title from one of Thomas Sowells books on the same subject) would all too willingly seek to "march us to virtue at bayonet-point."
"The left would put us all in concentration camps, 'for our own good' "
While the calumniators decrying the lugenpresse smother themselves with their own vapors, it would be wise to remember that an even bigger professional martyr than anyone here already tried this shit a few election cycles ago, to great entertaining ridicule.
Just not even clever or funny.
Part of why Milo is so dangerous, of course, and why the left just goes bonkers with him, is that he is so unrepentantly gay, yet is a vigorous, very public, supporter of Trump.
He also clearly and explicitly discusses his issues with, for example, Islam and his criticisms aren't really refutable. The religion HATES gay people. Countries run by Muslims tend to be exceptionally unpleasant to gays. Why would he, as a gay man, want MORE Muslims in a society that has truly become astonishingly tolerant of gay folks.
His call for gays to get guns and learn to defend themselves also terrifies the Left because the call is a smart call and one that all groups should abide by.
And feminists seem to REALLY dislike his constant referencing that young women do not label themselves as feminist because they, by and large, do not hate men and that seems to be a central tenet in modern feminism. People claiming he makes no salient points also, likely, felt that Lenny Bruce and George Carlin only said bad words for no reason.
I heard Milo: there's nothing extreme in his speech, unless one finds disagreement an extreme experience.
What Soave writes is quite unfair:he seems to imply that animosity arose from the provocations of these conservative guests, while everybody knows that aggressive provocation started when the "inclusive" left harassed everybody if the invited speaker was not of their liking. It's not surprising that only "fighting" guest would accept to face a mob shouting slogans for hours.
It's becoming a plus for conservatives. There are two major conservatives who will HAPPILY go to colleges and deal with the venom and abuse, Ben Shapiro and Milo. And while they do not like each other at all, they seem to respect each other. They are the ones "speaking truth to power". When the Left shouts down the nice, friendly conservatives (how often is nice and friendly Christina Hoff Somers --- who isn't even a conservative --- protested on campuses?), then it becomes the floor for the ones who will fight back.
Thought exercise: Professor, if you went to a college for a speaking gig, what do you think the odds are that YOU wouldn't be heavily protested?
I heard Milo: there's nothing extreme in his speech, unless one finds disagreement an extreme experience.
What Soave writes is quite unfair:he seems to imply that animosity arose from the provocations of these conservative guests, while everybody knows that aggressive provocation started when the "inclusive" left harassed everybody if the invited speaker was not of their liking. It's not surprising that only "fighting" guest would accept to face a mob shouting slogans for hours.
Hell, they are measures less extreme than their protestors.
There are abuses on campuses that are now being dealt with and/or rolled back, but that's not what keeps conservatives on them a minority. His smirky cutesy Sarah Silverman "Did I really say that?!" routine gets attention here but the arcane points and bitchy personal attacks he spends all his time playing with are bred out of the British fixation with silly details and propriety, respectively.
Ah, so you don't get it. Thanks for clarifying.
Benji Shapiro gets more "venom and abuse" from alt-right Nazis cluttering his Twitter feed than he does from anyone normal like those on the left. They are really not ticked off by an elfin little 5'2" pipsqueak with motor-mouth disease. But your own right-wing, Trump-loving Nazis, well you know what they think of him: Bilderberg. Illuminati. All that jazz. They post black and white photos from pre-Normandy at him to make themselves feel better.
Does Maher ever venture out of his own safe space - his studio audience of left wing seals and his panel who can always be counted on to gang up on a conservative guest? One time he did, on "Meet the Press" and was schooled by George Will of all people, who called out Maher on his dumb statement that Brazil had "gotten off oil."
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N77MYF3Rqdk
On Maher's show, that exchange wouldn't have happened because Maher and his panel are very good at shutting up opponents who ask inconvenient followup questions. Angel-Dyne is correct - Maher cut Milo off before Milo could make his case for supporting Trump.
If Milo and Maher debated in a neutral forum, Milo would shred Maher to bits.
Ah, so you don't get it. Thanks for clarifying.
That's right. No I don't feel your paaaaainnnn!
Now go cry to some campus administrators about how your kind are discriminated against.
Liberals don't want their feelings hurt. Retrogrades don't want their brains hurt.
But they're running out of brains and are trying to get in on the victimology olympics now, too. I don't think so.
Maher cut Milo off before Milo could make his case for supporting Trump.
I heard Bruno's "case." He said he wanted a father figure. A daddy to battle the evil Islamists.
This isn't a joke. He actually did say this.
I say the Islamists are doing a fine job battling amongst themselves. But why leave us out of the drama, Bruno et al want to know?
Anyone familiar with gay Catholic conservatives. There have been a surprising number for many years.
Most of them priests. Most of the priest "child abuse" of recent fame and outrage, was in fact gay men with adolescent boys still figuring out their sexual orientation.
There was a big influx of gays into seminaries in the 60s sort of like to influx of leftists into college faculties.
The stuff about gays not liking boys is mostly bullshit.
Benji Shapiro gets more "venom and abuse" from alt-right Nazis cluttering his Twitter feed than he does from anyone normal like those on the left.
DePaul University threatened to ARREST him if he set foot on campus.
An alleged institution of higher learning was so scared of a dissenting viewpoint they'd throw the speaker in jail.
Yeah, no biggie.
Ask Shapiro where most of the venom towards him comes from. He'll have no problem telling you.
They are really not ticked off by an elfin little 5'2" pipsqueak with motor-mouth disease.
Well, if you ignore the threat to arrest him if he sets foot on DePaul's campus.
Hey, did evil old Liberty ever threaten to once arrest somebody who disagrees with them setting foot on campus?
Is it not sad that Jerry Falwell's college is more of a bastion of free speech and thought than DePaul?
That's right. No I don't feel your paaaaainnnn!
You don't get jokes. Got it. No need to further hammer the point home. We should use simple terms that even you can follow.
Now go cry to some campus administrators about how your kind are discriminated against.
Nah. I'm advocating pulling all public funding, including grants, from all of them.
Liberals don't want their feelings hurt. Retrogrades don't want their brains hurt.
Well, if a group TRULY thinks that you can go from being a man to a woman because you REALLY want it, then there isn't a brain one can hurt. All you have is feelings.
I heard Bruno's "case." He said he wanted a father figure. A daddy to battle the evil Islamists.
This isn't a joke. He actually did say this.
He said it.
It was also said as a joke.
A rube self-identified.
Most of them priests. Most of the priest "child abuse" of recent fame and outrage, was in fact gay men with adolescent boys still figuring out their sexual orientation.
Referring to it as a homosexual pedophilia scandal tended to make Leftists quite angry. Mentioning "They're not fucking little girls, so it's clearly not a heterosexual pedophilia problem..." made them angrier.
ritmo said:
"Benji Shapiro gets more "venom and abuse" from alt-right Nazis cluttering his Twitter feed than he does from anyone normal like those on the left. They are really not ticked off by an elfin little 5'2" pipsqueak with motor-mouth disease."
Oh, really? That's a demonstrable lie. Are these Madison protesters "alt right?"
http://www.wkow.com/story/33731109/2016/11/Thursday/protesters-clash-with-ben-shapiro-at-uw-madison-lecture-series
Shapiro might be short (and what adult cares if he is?) but he's got more bravery and courage than anybody on the ctrl-left, those crybaby pussies with their safe spaces and trigger warning and hissy fits.
The stuff about gays not liking boys is mostly bullshit.
I'd ask if you know this from personal experience (since you appeal to objective, third-party data so infrequently) but I guess then you'll say I'm being a meanie.
Seriously, MK. There are a lot of gray old queens out there, walking hand-in-hand with their "S.O.s" and spending weekend upon weekend fussing and puzzling endlessly over which social functions to attend and what to bring to them and how to decorate their places. And other family stuff. It's not like every gay is a twenty-something in fishnet midriffs but if that's the way they all appear in your mind then I guess you might want to ask yourself why that is.
The Toothless Revolutionary said...
an even bigger professional martyr
That is a epic rant by Black but Beck makes a very large target.
Oh. DePaul.
DePaul, DePaul, DePaul. Whahaaaaaaaah!
RuPaul.
A Catholic university, which Bruno says is "the best religion."
Like I said, he's got his own demons to sort out.
"This isn't a joke. He actually did say this."
Yes, it is. He has said so himself and does it to specifically irritate people like you. The campy behavior, the "Daddy" references, and the jokes about black dick are intended to trigger leftists.
It obviously works.
Madison and Berkeley are not Catholic universities.
Ritmo is very dishonest on this topic.
Who needs right wing extremist entertainers when we have the Trump doing his best impression of his buddy Putin, tweeting that the Press is the "enemy of the American people". The right doesn't need Milo anymore, they have Trump.
I don't think it's a joke. I think it's true.
It's one of those things he does with the smirk. Like with the explicit black boyfriend references.
It's true.
Tell me about Bruno's warm, cuddly upbringing. Everything he says is a ploy for attention, and that one was just more revealing than he intended.
No one with a secure, supportive upbringing retreats into cheerleading the failed institutions of the church.
Madison and Berkeley are not Catholic universities.
Ritmo is very dishonest on this topic.
It is not dishonest of me to respond to demikesc's 12:52 comment. Does it mention any of that? No. But DePaul. Like 12 times.
Why are right-wingers such poor thread followers?
Oh look! So unpredictable:
Yiannopoulos was raised in a small town in Kent in southern England.[13] His father is Greek and his mother is British.[14][15][16] His parents divorced when he was a young child and he was raised by his mother and her second husband, with whom he did not have a good relationship. Yiannopoulos described his father as "terrifying" and remarking upon his family's wealth he said, "I would think, if my dad is just a doorman, why do we have such a nice house? Then I saw it on The Sopranos." As a teenager, Yiannopoulos lived with his grandmother, who regularly took him for high tea at Claridge's.
I think your team would fail a basic psychology exam. Like I said, the right has moved from trashing evolution, to physics to economics to the basic social contract and now even basic character issues. They can't even get that right. Total denial all the way around. It's like they're engaged in a competition to see how blatant a reality they can deny. Denying abstract science got to be too easy for them. Now it's how Snuffleupagus is actually an intact, psychologically healthy regular joe.
You turkeys make me laugh.
SockPuppet#55 said...
The right doesn't need Milo anymore, they have Trump.
This is always true. The election of 'your guy' is a generally a disaster for satirists and commentators. Rush even publically whined about it, "The way I feel is this: I feel liberated, and I’m going to tell you as plainly as I can why. I no longer am going to have to carry the water for people who I don’t think deserve having their water carried. Now, you might say, “Well, why have you been doing it?”"
He was doing it because he had to keep his audience happy.
Enjoy finding psychological inspiration in the surely not "disordered" mess known as Bruno. I've got some Saturday to enjoy.
Check back later!
" The election of 'your guy' is a generally a disaster for satirists and commentators."
Generally speaking, that's true - but not in this case, when you have leftists broadcasting their sobbing fits and rage on YouTube, women matching in pussy hats, and Ashley Judd and other celebs making horse's patoots of themselves in public. The rich comedic material offered by Trump (which I certainly don't deny) is more than matched by the spectacle of leftists beclowning themselves over every single thing Trump does. Believe me, you guys have given me plenty to laugh about since November.
Eh, Trump is clown enough for all the right wing comedians and talkers. The rest of the clowns are just redundant.
You don't discredit Milo's arguments by bringing up his background and childhood. Who besides mentally disturbed leftists with class envy gives a shit that his grandma took him to tea at Claridges? That discredits him?
Wow, great argument you have there.
Ben Shapiro is short!
Milo is a Catholic with a rich grandma who took him to tea!
Wow, those are just devastating arguments against them!
"Yiannopoulos told fans at Minnesota State University that Joe Bernstein, a media writer at BuzzFeed News, represents 'a typical example of a sort of thick-as-pig shit media Jew, who has all these sort of right, P.C. politics'.”
An example of Milo's being oh-so provocative and daring. Not.
"If Mr. Yiannopoulos is indeed the monster Scahill[*] claims — and he might be — nothing could serve the liberal cause better than having him exposed on Friday night."
*The guest invited by Maher to appear along with Milo, but who backed out because of Milo's views.
Robert Spencer of Jihad Watch is an expert on Islam and the Shariah. He is forever inviting for debate oodles upon oodles of Muslims who claim they would clean his clock in any debate. Yet no one will debate him and air the Islamic issues which are causing the world turmoil. RS doesn't wonder why. He has the truth about Islam, and that's a mighty sword. He taunts his Muslim critics, saying as Maher did, "Come, debate me. If I'm the fraud you Muslims believe I am, then the debate will cinch the argument for your case."
But no one takes Spencer up.
Hmmmmm,
Milo is indeed critical of left-wing Jews in the media who support pols who sell Israel down the river and want to admit Muslim refugees who hate Jews. The overwhelming majority of anti-Jewish hate crimes in Europe are not committed by neo-Nazis (although those crimes do occur) but by Muslims.
Any Jew who somehow thinks Trump (with his Jewish SIL and strong support of Israel) is somehow a bigger threat to Jews than someone like prospective DNC chair Keith Ellison is indeed "thick-as-pig shit."
Note that Lydia produces the quote, which she expects will make everyone instantly recoil in horror from half-Jewish Milo without any curiosity as to why Milo might say that. No, we're not supposed to go any deeper than that. It's enough to know Milo said "left wing media Jew" and condemn him.
Just like it's enough to condemn him for saying "Feminism is cancer." That is just something that the left has decreed Should Not Be Said, so there is no need to hear what his reasoning is and develop a counterargument.
The Left condemns him for being superficial, but they are the ones who can't think past bumper stickers.
It was revealing how Trump tried to shut up an Orthodox Jewish reporter that asked him about the rise of anti semitism in the US. "Quiet, quiet quiet!" I don't care if Trump has a Jewish son in law and daughter, his behavior and his ties to the alt right Bannon speaks louder than the references to his Jewish son in law. Actions do speak louder than words at times.
Actions do speak louder than words at times.
And Trump's actions clearly prove he is no anti-semite. President Obama and the Left however........
He's a weird mix of Wilde and Paglia in a millennial platinum homo-punk wrapper.
He wants to be seen as an iconoclast, and the left is making it really easy for him. If all you can do is riot and scream "fuck you!" to his face, he's already won bigly.
with his Jewish SIL
And daughter. Ivanka adopted Judaism.
SockPuppet#55 said...
It was revealing how Trump tried to shut up an Orthodox Jewish reporter that asked him about the rise of anti semitism in the US.
That was KAOS, not anti-semitism. The 'reporter' was a plant from a small right wing jewish weekly. It was supposed to be an 'easy' question. But, for Trump, there are no easy questions.
Poor little sockpuppet Inga makes an asshole of herself once again:
"Numerous media outlets raised the specter of President Donald Trump being anti-Semitic based on an interchange he had with a Jewish reporter at a press conference on Thursday, even though the reporter in question did not see it that way.
“Why are people that aren’t Jewish describing what is anti-Semitism?” the reporter, Jake Trux with Ami Magazine, wondered during an interview on Fox News later that evening.
Turx, who is an orthodox Jew, began his question to Trump by saying he had not seen anybody in his community accuse him or his staff of being anti-Semitic. He noted that Trump’s a grandfather to Jewish children through is son-in-law, Jared Kushner.
“It is very unfair what’s been done to him,” Turx stated. “So I understand why he’s so defensive. I’m with him when it comes to being outraged about him being charged with this anti-Semitism.”
http://sourcesnews.com/jewish-reporter-who-was-told-by-trump-to-sit-down-defends-him/
Trump is probably the most pro-Israel President since Truman.
If Trump truly was not anti Semitic himself, he should have nothing to do with Bannon, who is a known anti-Semite. This shell game of pretending Trump isn't influenced by the anti Semite in his own administration is simply laughable. Bannon has a huge influence over Trump, especially now that Flynn is gone. It's pretty obvious that Jared Kuschner doesn't have much influence or control over Trump. He may be there only as a foil to ward of charges of anti-Semitism.
M15ery said...
He's a weird mix of Wilde and Paglia in a millennial platinum homo-punk wrapper. "
That's the best description of Milo I've ever read.
I have been waiting to see what Paglia has to say about Trump, the election and the ridiculous behavior of campus leftists, but she seems to be lying low since the election. (She did write a few prescient articles explaining Trump's appeal before the election - she understood it, although she did not vote for him).
I suspect she is getting old and losing her taste for battle. She has fought PC since the 1990's, but now that it has reached such a fevered insane pitch, she might be content to focus on her research on American Indians and let younger people do the fighting.
Seriously, MK. There are a lot of gray old queens out there, walking hand-in-hand with their "S.O.s"
Ritmo, I have pretty much given trying to respond to you but I will this time.
Yes, I knew a lot of gays. I practiced in Laguna Beach. I have repaired the assholes of a few after they had been "fist fucking."
I daresay, I know a hell of a lot more about gay lifestyle than you do unless you share it. Probably more even if you are gay yourself.
Two physician friends of mine knew "The Index Patient" in the AIDS epidemic., They died early
The "gray old queers" are no longer able to interest the young ones anymore. Why do you think physical fitness and appearance are so important to gays ?
The administrator of our hospital was gay and we always had pretty young men mowing the lawn or washing cars or working in the supply room.
An anesthesiologist friend of mine went to an OR nurses party and the next day came up to a young Asian or Phlippino kid he met at the party and scared him half to death making a play for him.
The kid had no idea the guy was gay until he came on to him.
There is a pretty good book, which you won't read, called, "Goodbye Good Men" about the "pink Mafia" in seminaries in the 60s.
Yes, I know a lot about gay lifestyle, including have to break the news to quite a few nice men that they had a fatal disease.
I still remember one, an engineer at San Onofre Nuclear plant, who had AIDS colitis. When I told him he said, "That's impossible. I've been in a committed relationship for ten years!"
What could I say ? It was a bit like a woman patient who had breast cancer and was a Christian Science member. She said, "I lose my breast and my religion the same day."
Except she was not going to die from her disease.
The trolls also seem to be obsessed with Bannon and his alleged anti-Semitism.
The guy is brilliant and rich, both anathema to lefties.
They would hare him if there was no Trump.
SockPuppet#55 said...
If Trump truly was not anti Semitic himself, he should have nothing to do with Bannon, who is a known anti-Semite. "
I asked you to provide a link to an anti-Semitic Brietbart article. You couldn't do it because you are a liar, who mindlessly vomits up the shit you consume on a daily basis.
Andrew Brietbart was raised Jewish. It is a very pro-Israel site.
And Bibi doesn't seem to think Trump is a Jew-hater. But you know better than the PM of Israel.
God, your malevolent stupidity and dishonesty is boundless.
SockPuppet#55 said...
If Trump truly was not anti Semitic himself, he should have nothing to do with Bannon, who is a known anti-Semite.
Anti-semitism implies a stable world view. Trump is the rho meson of politicians, it is difficult to take the measure of his world view because of its exceptionally brief half-life.
"The trolls also seem to be obsessed with Bannon and his alleged anti-Semitism."
No facts are permitted in their tiny, sad little minds.
Sockpuppet Inga ignores that the Jewish reporter at that presser, Jake Trux, doesn't think Trump is anti-Semitic. She ignores that the friggin' Prime Minister of Israel (treated like dirt by Obama) doesn't think so. Or that it makes no sense for a man with a Jewish SIL and daughter to be anti-Semitic.
No, her low IQ mind only accepts the propaganda her leftwing shitlords pour into her vacant skull.
True enough ARM. His stances can change from one sentence to the other. He was for the Jewish settlements, then he was against the settlements, then he claimed he didn't care what the Israelis did with settlements as long as it would promote peace. Hahahaha, the look on Netanyahu's face. I'm sure the Palestinians are laughing their asses off at this bufoon of an American "president". It was so obvious he was out of his league standing next to Netanyahu and the other foreign leaders that have visited so far. Truly a shameful time for the US.
DePaul, DePaul, DePaul. Whahaaaaaaaah!
College seeks to imprison a man for having a unpopular opinion and it's no big deal.
Good to know.
tweeting that the Press is the "enemy of the American people".
The press is the enemy. They seek to misinform.
You don't discredit Milo's arguments by bringing up his background and childhood. Who besides mentally disturbed leftists with class envy gives a shit that his grandma took him to tea at Claridges? That discredits him?
No, he's inferring that is WHY Milo is gay, obviously. And he's dead serious about it. He believes this deeply.
Wow, those are just devastating arguments against them!
Don't dare mention that Obama never actually experienced discrimination in his life and lived an exceptionally easy life his life. That'd be ray-cist!
It was revealing how Trump tried to shut up an Orthodox Jewish reporter that asked him about the rise of anti semitism in the US. "Quiet, quiet quiet!" I don't care if Trump has a Jewish son in law and daughter, his behavior and his ties to the alt right Bannon speaks louder than the references to his Jewish son in law. Actions do speak louder than words at times.
But the Islamic fondness of Jews...that's deep and true and cannot be questioned, right?
He was answering a question and the person kept babbling.
If Trump truly was not anti Semitic himself, he should have nothing to do with Bannon, who is a known anti-Semite.
Evidence is notably lacking.
This shell game of pretending Trump isn't influenced by the anti Semite in his own administration is simply laughable.
Evidence still lacking.
He may be there only as a foil to ward of charges of anti-Semitism.
You caught him. He had his daughter marry him and convert to Judaism years ago JUST IN CASE he ran for President.
Do you recognize how batshit insane that sounds?
He was for the Jewish settlements, then he was against the settlements, then he claimed he didn't care what the Israelis did with settlements as long as it would promote peace. Hahahaha, the look on Netanyahu's face. I'm sure the Palestinians are laughing their asses off at this bufoon of an American "president". It was so obvious he was out of his league standing next to Netanyahu and the other foreign leaders that have visited so far.
He's telling Bibi to do what he wants. The most noble thing we can do is to end the joke of a "two state solution" since it is not possible and give Israel free reign to deal with the issue of the angry, uneducated horde that wants them dead.
Truly a shameful time for the US.
Probably to you. This President doesn't spend all of his time apologizing for us.
I try to avoid feeding trolls.
And I usually avoid responding to Ritmo.
There seems to be a lot of it here for some reason.
ARM sounds a bit more calm today.
Michael K,
Quit trolling the "trolls".
Or else you become the troll.
"No, he's inferring that is WHY Milo is gay, obviously"
But I thought it was wrong to say homosexuality might be caused by one's childhood environment, when gays insist that "they were born that way." It appears Ritmo's view of homosexuality is close to what I thought was the discredited Freudian view that male homosexuality is a product of cold mothers or childhood overidentification with the opposite sex. If what Ritmo writes is true, than gayness is in fact what the left has been insisting for 50 years it is not - a psychological disturbance.
Or that only true of gay conservatives?
"He may be there only as a foil to ward of charges of anti-Semitism.
You caught him. He had his daughter marry him and convert to Judaism years ago JUST IN CASE he ran for President.
Do you recognize how batshit insane that sounds?"
Thanks for pointing that gem out. I had missed it. Absolutely bonkers.
You don't discredit Milo's arguments by bringing up his background and childhood. Who besides mentally disturbed leftists with class envy gives a shit that his grandma took him to tea at Claridges? That discredits him?
Wow, great argument you have there.
Ben Shapiro is short!
Milo is a Catholic with a rich grandma who took him to tea!
Wow, those are just devastating arguments against them!
Right. So says someone whose Number #1 criterion for evaluating the worth of a comment is the "alpha/beta/omega" identity that she ascribes to whomever made it.
Bruno doesn't make arguments. He makes intellectual fart-bombs.
His character was what I was discussing. If you don't like it, go back to whatever "substance" he pretended to bring, which didn't sound like much. As always.
You went on and on about how his reverse-oedipal problem was an invention. I showed you from his biography why it wasn't. Sorry you got so distracted by that end part about tea. I'm sure it accounts for your forgetting the bulk of the paragraph before it. Very selective.
Anyway, I thought conservatives weren't very big fans of single-parent or fatherless homes - as Bruno apparently grew up in. What authority are you appealing to for giving yourself the cojones to just insist that they're all wrong?
No more bonkers than every sentance that comes out of the gaping maw of your President. That Press conference was a lesson in crazy and Trump is your instructor.
Maher talked too much. He should let his guest get a word in edgewise.
It appears Ritmo's view of homosexuality is close to what I thought was the discredited Freudian view that male homosexuality is a product of cold mothers or childhood overidentification with the opposite sex.
Oh, there you go again! You and appearances.
Bruno's quite capable of being homosexual with or without his other childhood disabilities. IN fact, he's the one who asserts that homosexuality is a choice, not leftists and certainly not those mean scientists! Although the thought experiment for declaring that to be the case is a funny one. Who here, by a show of hands, chose their sexual orientation? Right.
Nope. Parental issues are possible quite apart from one's sexuality, or even their gender. Even women can have unresolved problems from an absent father.
Otherwise, I want the whole conservative contingent here to reverse course 180 degrees immediately on their long-held support for Daniel Moynihan's observations and declare that fatherlessness is a totally neutral and never detrimental thing to a child, if not a virtue altogether!
Breitbart never created foreboding advertisements linking three random wealthy Jews (Yellin, Soros and Greenspan?) as part of a global conspiracy to control your lives and the world.
Bannon did.
Not that there's any antisemitic appeal in any of that. Of course not.
It seems Bannon could mine the Arab "media" for "inspiration".
And the Nazi propaganda before that.
"Lying press?" Go look that one up.
If Milo is not to your taste, here's gay liberal commentator David Rubin explaining why he left the Left. Perhaps ritmo will do a google search on this guy and find out that his aunt Harriet regularly took him out for ice cream when he was 8 so that invalidates any criticisms he might have.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hiVQ8vrGA_8
Breitbart never created foreboding advertisements linking three random wealthy Jews (Yellin, Soros and Greenspan?"
Conservatives object to them because they are left-wing, not because they are Jewish. Soros is a shitbag whose stated desire is to bring down the US - and he also passionately hates the state of Israel.
Why do you think physical fitness and appearance are so important to gays ?
No idea. Probably for the same reason they are to women.
There was no known "index patient" for AIDS. If you're talking about Gaetan Dugas, that's been debunked. Although it would have made (and did make) for a fascinating story.
Here's an article about Soros printed in that notoriously anti-semitic rag The Jerusalem Post.
http://www.jpost.com/Opinion/Our-World-Soross-campaign-of-global-chaos-464770
If Milo is not to your taste, here's gay liberal commentator David Rubin explaining why he left the Left.
He didn't "leave" the left. He's a liberal who fixates on his distaste for political correctness. So what? It goes overboard. Maybe it should be renamed. Just call it "basic decency." Or even political decency. Yeah, that sounds better and less totalitarian.
I'm sure that in Southern California, cultural issues - including PC/bigotry - are a real fixation. In other economic realities, they are really not any sort of an issue important enough to base a political movement off of.
But hey, he found his niche. Now wouldn't it be nice if he ever found anything else to talk about. He sounds like a broken record and his podcasts have become repetitive. He gives no deeper thought to anything other than railing against PC.
Maher says: "The fact that they all freaked out about this little, impish, British fag!"
and Milo laughs.
That's why Milo is liked.
Conservatives object to them because they are left-wing, not because they are Jewish.
David Duke and every other similar Trump supporting "anti-PC" warrior (hey, I'm just being hyperbolic. Ain't it cute!) think otherwise.
It sounds like the burden of proof's on you for defending it. But hey, Trump shouted down that annoying yarmulke guy yesterday pretty effectively, didn't he? So there's that.
He said, listen to your master/leader, B. Netanyahu. I guess he didn't get the memo that Jews aren't generally blind followers like that.
And again, he didn't answer the question. But the answer's clear. No, he doesn't care about rising antisemitism. But I'm sure he'll deny the undeniable right-wing component to its more violent expressions, as you do.
...and Milo laughs.
That's why Milo is liked.
Ordinarily, this would be called "self-deprecation."
But yes, he hates himself as much as you hate people like him.
Impish was the accurate description. I told someone here earlier about his "intellectual fart bombs."
He knows this is what he does. That's why he's so fond of declaring of them, thinks like this.
" Just call it "basic decency.""
Yep. Rioting in Berkeley to keep a gay Brit from saying things the Left doesn't like - there's Ritmo's "basic decency" in action! Goes a bit overboard. Not that it's a bad thing to punch a Nazi in the face! Now everyone who disagrees with the Left is clearly a Nazi so hey, nothing wrong with pepper spraying a girl with a MAGA cap on, punching a conservative woman reporter in the face or knocking out a 71 year old woman who works for Dana Rohrabacher.
I'll stop calling leftist males gamma pussies when they stop beating up women. Maybe they should just become Muslim so they can more freely indulge their desire to knock the shit out of females to keep them in line.
The regressive Left has become everything - everything - they pretend to hate and fear.
They are not good people.
Ritmo "logic"
David Duke doesn't like Soros, so any conservative who doesn't like Soros must be anti-Semitic.
Caroline Glick of the Jerusalem Post doesn't like Soros.
Glick and the JPost must be anti-Semitic!
Yep. Rioting in Berkeley to keep a gay Brit from saying things the Left doesn't like - there's Ritmo's "basic decency" in action! Goes a bit overboard. Not that it's a bad thing to punch a Nazi in the face! Now everyone who disagrees with the Left is clearly a Nazi so hey, nothing wrong with pepper spraying a girl with a MAGA cap on, punching a conservative woman reporter in the face or knocking out a 71 year old woman who works for Dana Rohrabacher.
I'll stop calling leftist males gamma pussies when they stop beating up women. Maybe they should just become Muslim so they can more freely indulge their desire to knock the shit out of females to keep them in line.
The regressive Left has become everything - everything - they pretend to hate and fear.
They are not good people.
Here's what I got from the above mini-rant:
1. Crimes against property are worse than things that you can do to persons. (As much as conservatives hate physical infrastructure).
2. Character matters except when revealing the obvious issues that motivate Bruno Snuffleupagus' overboard theatrics-as-substitute-for-argument.
3. Predictable political violence in America is a handy way to graft on random irrelevancies concerning what one can beat her chest about regarding Islam's failures and all the men who let Her Highness down. (Which I presume are many).
You could have just stated all that instead of pretending you had a responsive point to make by quoting what I said about "decency" regarding political speech or social behaviors.
Ritmo "logic"
David Duke doesn't like Soros, so any conservative who doesn't like Soros must be anti-Semitic.
Caroline Glick of the Jerusalem Post doesn't like Soros.
Glick and the JPost must be anti-Semitic!
The above person's "logic". (I'm trying to think of a nickname for her but as she last accused me of being oh so so so mean to her if ANYTHING personal was mentioned, I'll just keep it silent. The name she chooses for herself is too boring for me to want to denigrate her further by repeating it:
If Glick doesn't like Soros, everyone's (including any conservative) reasons must be non-anti-Semitic.
David Duke doesn't like Soros.
David Duke is NOT anti-Semitic!
Look at how that works. Syllogisms 101 for the rhetorically overwhelmed individual above.
"They are not good people."
Up is down to Trumpists. The have no center of gravity anymore. They are completely and throughly indoctrinated. No one dares speak out against their beloved Fuhrer, especially not a conservative like poor Chuck in the midst of them. No dissention shall be tolerated in the ranks. There were Kapos that did the dirty work for the ubermenchen.
They are not only bad people, they are truly fucked up people.
They are not only bad people, they are truly fucked up people.
I think "disordered" is the word. And not like in the sense that the church accuses Bruno Snuffleupagus of being. In this sense.
"1. Crimes against property are worse than things that you can do to persons"
That's what you got from my post?
Gee I brought 3 instances of women being viciously attacked by your goonish, cowardly pussy boys and you brought up property?
As far as the property goes, well, gee, that Starbuck's owner whose place was smashed up and looted - well, fuck that capitalist pig! Ritmo cares deeply about The Workers - until the places where they actually work get looted. I doubt the people who work there voted for Trump.
The left shits in its own urban nests and then crows about it, oblivious to the fact that the property they destroy likely belongs to liberals.
Why not take the riots to the places Trump voters actually live, like rural Texas or Waukesha county, WI or even upstate New York? Because you'd get your asses beaten in, that's why. Leftist bullies like easy targets, like 71 year old women or guys who are outnumbered 20 to one.
You are everything you hate. Milo holds the mirror up to you and you can't bear to see the reflection.
I'm leaving to enjoy the rest of the day,so ta ta see you later. I'm sure Ritmo will leave about 10 other lengthy rants here, seconded by his brainless fan sockpuppet Inga, who is so stupid she doesn't realize how thoroughly she was owned on this thread.
Inga, tell us more about how Trump plotted years ahead of time to marry his daughter off to an Orthodox Jew and forced her to convert so he wouldn't be accused of anti-semitism. 'Cause that one was a real winner! It made you sound so sane and logical!!
As far as the property goes, well, gee, that Starbuck's owner whose place was smashed up and looted - well, fuck that capitalist pig! Ritmo cares deeply about The Workers - until the places where they actually work get looted.
Oh no. I'm sure there are many destitute barristas, made homeless by The Starbucks Empire's simple inability to foot the bill for a window. They are really resentful of how their generous employer has been put under.
The rest of what you wrote was a typical mixture of bravado, violent posturing, accusation, projection, thoughtlessness and self-pitying victimology. Or what I call: Conservative Philosophy.
Oh, the women! Did the perpetrators (obviously made that way by ideology) get groping hints from your Dear Leader Orange, the Gaslighter in Chief?
Even the military and intelligence agencies won't work with that dickhead. Your predicament is a self-made one. But I'm sure you'll deflect, as always. It's no one's fault if I have anything to do with it! is a phrase custom-made for Trump, the perfect representative of your Hatred for Americans movement.
Don't worry. I'm sure Putin has some good advice for him (and you) on how to cope with being so hated.
...how thoroughly she was owned...
Do you relate to the idea of people as property, to be bought and sold?
I suppose that in the mind of the person who wrote this, to think that way is probably a sign of respect.
Windows! Windows!
Starbucks!
I'm feeling the conservatives getting triggered.
Thanks for posting this and commenting on it. That is all. As you were.
Why are you always so pissed off, Pedro?
The Toothless Revolutionary said...
...how thoroughly she was owned...
Do you relate to the idea of people as property, to be bought and sold?"
Ah, here's Ritmo's favorite tactic! Latch onto an idiom and go into full pc pearl clutching mode, complete with self-righteous outrage!
What a prissy, humorless little prig you are. No wonder you love Lieawatha and can't stand Milo.
Jon Ericson said...
Why are you always so pissed off, Pedro?"
It's amazing - he's constantly at full-throated outrage, dialed up to 15.
Nothing about him seems happy or joyful.
"Oh, the women! Did the perpetrators (obviously made that way by ideology) get groping hints from your Dear Leader Orange, the Gaslighter in Chief?"
Let me see if I got this straight: Because of what Trump said, it's OK to knock 71 year old women down and punch conservative women.
Gotcha. That makes sense.
Ritmo, go out a find yourself a woman in a MAGA cap to punch so you can feel all manly and revolutionary and shit. Better make sure she's 71. A younger one might get the better of you.
I get that Yiannaopoulos gets a lot of traction out of how riled up he gets people, and I get that the opponents of those Milo riles up tend to like him (the enemy of my enemy is my friend). But, and I'll be honest that I've not invested the time to read through great swaths of his material, there doesn't really seem to be anything there, not if you're bored by the provocation. All of the ideas he spouted here were either relatively uncontroversial (I bother people! They get so bothered!), almost certainly false (Words can't hurt you! or The main thing that matters is free speech!). None of it was sophisticated or interesting. Maybe I'm missing something, but he seems more like quotidian performance artist (if unusual in his combination of background and the sort of instigation he likes) than interesting thought provoker.
That was good and very refreshing.
I'm leaving to enjoy the rest of the day,so ta ta see you later. I'm sure Ritmo will leave about 10 other lengthy rants here,
I just got back but it's obvious I didn't stay away long enough.
This comments section starts to resemble the NRO comments section which is 85% trolls.
Ritmo, go out a find yourself a woman in a MAGA cap to punch so you can feel all manly and revolutionary and shit. Better make sure she's 71. A younger one might get the better of you.
A younger one wouldn't be as old as you.
Oh, I'm just so angry!
This comments section starts to resemble the NRO comments section which is 85% trolls.
Shorter protest: "Stop responding to my poorly thought-out comments! I gots a right to free speech which means you can't comment on what I say! Waaaaahaaaa"
Wow. So even NRO isn't right-wing enough for you any more. Sounds like this extremist movement of yours just isn't extreme enough!
How can the narrative be created when the ringleader isn't even popular enough for his own right wing? (Already rejected, in terms of policy, by about 80% of the country).
What a predicament you guys have. So much power, and so few people to legitimize it. Must be tough. Doesn't it suck to have way more power than anyone will allow you to do all the despicable things you want with it?
Let's all feel a little more for the Gaslighter in Chief.
Why are you so pissed off, Pedro?
So the Bruno defenders are calling ME a troll? Bruno Snuffleupagus basically lists "troll" as his sole profession!
Sad!
So easily triggered you all are.
Why are you so pissed off, Pedro?
Because you don't think.
It makes me said, actually.
If I'm too much of a troll for you, then how do you let Master Troll Bruno Snuffleupagus do what he does?
Sad!
I pretty much check out when Ritmo takes over. Or Chuck, the lifelong republican. I find them both banal, predictable, humorless and tiresome.
I find them both banal, predictable, humorless and tiresome.
But Bruno Snuffleupagus' meandering prejudices are fresh and clever!
Sad!
And "I pretty much check out when Ritmo takes over. Or Chuck, the lifelong republican. I find them both banal, predictable, humorless and tiresome" isn't banal, predictable, humorless, and tiresome?
1. Lacking in originality? Yep, that sentiment is expressed about those two (and, really, about nearly everyone who doesn't toe the line) relentlessly by commenters around here.
2. Predictable? Yep, see 1.
3. Humorless? Yep, not even an effort.
4. Tiresome? Of course, because there's neither an actual checking-out nor intellectual engagement. There's just cluttering the thread with noise.
Hoisted by your own petard...
The Toothless Revolutionary said...
I heard Bruno's "case." He said he wanted a father figure. A daddy to battle the evil Islamists.
This isn't a joke. He actually did say this.
If you refuse to accept it as a joke then you are refusing to discuss the issues in good faith. It is more of a reflection on your limitations than anything else. Don't be stupid.
TTR @ 5:27 - I have no idea what you mean. Probably my fault, not trying to be snarky.
The Earth is flat, dammit!
SockPuppet#55 said...
Up is down to Trumpists. The have no center of gravity anymore. They are completely and throughly indoctrinated. No one dares speak out against their beloved Fuhrer, especially not a conservative like poor Chuck in the midst of them. No dissention shall be tolerated in the ranks. There were Kapos that did the dirty work for the ubermenchen.
They are not only bad people, they are truly fucked up people.
The only violence so far has been committed by you leftists. There are dozens of examples where leftists violently attacked people who disagreed with them politically. It fits in with the history of the democrat party who has historically been behind all manner of evil including slavery and Jim crow.
But you are an idiot and this projection is all you have. You have demonstrated repeatedly your limited ability to think critically or reason.
If you refuse to accept it as a joke then you are refusing to discuss the issues in good faith. It is more of a reflection on your limitations than anything else. Don't be stupid.
He relishes the idea of being the biggest troll on earth. That means that he delights in blurring the lines between truth and distraction for political ends. As such, I see no obligation in sorting through his troubled mind for what's true and what's just a bunch of more gaslighting. I'm sure that he himself doesn't know.
But I did look up his bio and it would appear to be the real story. "Terrifying?" Fatherlessness as a factual part of his biography?
So I guess you guys are ok with criminally rich white kid fatherlessness, just not black American fatherlessness.
And Trump's absence as a father in his own kids' lives?
See, truth for you is situational. Which means it's not truth.
You guys have more inconsistencies and inaccuracies than can even be invented fast enough to explain them.
Yeah, Craig was sucking up to you, but you're so pissed off, all the time, you didn't notice.
Pedro.
Sorry, Craig!
The Toothless Revolutionary said...
Shorter protest: "Stop responding to my poorly thought-out comments! I gots a right to free speech which means you can't comment on what I say! Waaaaahaaaa"
Wow. So even NRO isn't right-wing enough for you any more. Sounds like this extremist movement of yours just isn't extreme enough!
NRO is supported by the same people that own the DNC and the media. It is a part of the DC machine. To the extent they are "conservative" they are just meant to lead voters on the right down a path that will erase our borders and allow the Chamber of Commerce to import all the cheap labor they want.
How can the narrative be created when the ringleader isn't even popular enough for his own right wing? (Already rejected, in terms of policy, by about 80% of the country).
What a predicament you guys have. So much power, and so few people to legitimize it. Must be tough. Doesn't it suck to have way more power than anyone will allow you to do all the despicable things you want with it?
In 2018 that 80% of the country is going to elect 60ish republican senators.
Let's all feel a little more for the Gaslighter in Chief.
He s doing a wonderful job of destroying the corrupt globalist media. You should be cheering him on and building the part of your party that is independent and actually thinks about how to make the lives of Americans better. Right now you are just trying to sell us out and turning the DNC into a joke nationally.
You should be trying to coopt a lot of his message which is generally on your side but since you refuse to the unions are joining us. Have fun with whatever your party is after that.
I got so carried away in my Yiannapoulos-like trolling that I didn't even notice.
It's addicting!
That Milo boy's on to something. This trolling stuff is like crack!
Look at how much writing Achilles has to do to defend the achievements of a "Leninist" who's trying to max out tactics like this.
Don't pat yourself on your back too prematurely in this effort to destroy everything that AMerica's about. And you have a bad memory, too. Don't you remember that your own side did everything it could to destroy unions, to the point that their membership is less than 20%? As I said, it looks like you can have them, if that's the case. They went for Reagan also, and look at all he did for them. Outsourcing, outsourcing, outsourcing!
Congratulate yourself on how many supporters you can lie into believing that you'll do anything for them. Remember, it still counts as winning. Stop being a sore winner. I realize a normal person would have moral qualms about selling his soul for power, but you guys are too good for that. Come on, you know that!
Ritmo should get his own blog.
This one seems to get infested after about 30 comments.
NRO is infested with leftist trolls like Ritmo.
I guess Ann likes it this way but few threads are worth putting up with this.
Even scrolling past gets tiresome.
This thread is hilarious because it shows exactly why Milo has become a major player.
In our Age of Hyperbole, over the top rhetoric becomes its own policy approach.
The Toothless Revolutionary said...
He relishes the idea of being the biggest troll on earth. That means that he delights in blurring the lines between truth and distraction for political ends. As such, I see no obligation in sorting through his troubled mind for what's true and what's just a bunch of more gaslighting. I'm sure that he himself doesn't know.
But I did look up his bio and it would appear to be the real story. "Terrifying?" Fatherlessness as a factual part of his biography?
So I guess you guys are ok with criminally rich white kid fatherlessness, just not black American fatherlessness.
And Trump's absence as a father in his own kids' lives?
See, truth for you is situational. Which means it's not truth.
You guys have more inconsistencies and inaccuracies than can even be invented fast enough to explain them.
He is a troll. No shit. He is also pretty smart and to the extent he talks about issues I generally agree with him. But like Trump I have been a supporter of gay marriage for over 30 years and have known a lot of people like Milo so none of this stuff is really shocking or disruptive to me.
Are you intentionally trying to be dumb? This is sock puppet level dumb. Criminally rich? Trump raising fatherless kids? Have you seen his family?
"A younger one wouldn't be as old as you. "
Hey, since the Left accepts that a dude who put on a dress and calls himself a woman is really a woman, I hereby declare that I am 27 years old. It doesn't matter what it says on my birth certificate, the important thing is that I identify as 27. Biology doesn't matter. It's all about my feeeeeellllings and you can't judge me, you ageist ha8ers!
Am I allowed to respond, Achilles? Michael K says I'm a troll who makes him too tired to scroll beyond. I guess he thinks it would be more respectful if I ignored every comment addressed to me.
Here's Snuffleupagus' thoughts on how crime made his doorman father wealthy. Here's how Trump treated one of his kids. His biographer/ghost-writer of Fart of the Deal Tony Kushner has spoken on how much Trump ignored Ivana's kids. I could link that too, if you wouldn't resent it and call me stupid for actually taking what people close to a situation in a better position to know it better think about it.
Are you anti-knowledge or something? Serious question.
Exiledonmainstreet, I'm guessing you're just being a jerk, but that's a terrible argument:
1) "The Left" does not accept that a dude who puts on a dress and calls himself a woman is really a woman. This is both extensionally and intensionally false, even accepting the sophomoric reduction of a range of positions to "The Left."
2) Even if "The Left" did accept that, the jump from gender and age needs supporting. Given that you don't seem to understand the gender piece, I doubt you have any idea how you could navigate that jump.
3) Even if "The Left" did accept both your mischaracterization about gender and your jump from gender to age, that wouldn't get you that "Biology doesn't matter."
Hey, since the Left accepts that a dude who put on a dress and calls himself a woman is really a woman, I hereby declare that I am 27 years old. It doesn't matter what it says on my birth certificate, the important thing is that I identify as 27. Biology doesn't matter. It's all about my feeeeeellllings and you can't judge me, you ageist ha8ers!
You're devolving into a post-truth performance art. And this time it actually is getting sad.
You said I'm not allowed to comment on anything personal about you. So stop using old ladies as your proxy for whatever involvement you lust for in your fantasies of tussling it up with angry demonstrators.
Hey, Ritmo! Here's a news flash for ya: Shit ≠ Shinola.
Pedro, Pedro, Pedro.
"So stop using old ladies as your proxy for whatever involvement you lust for in your fantasies of tussling it up with angry demonstrators."
Why can't I point out that an old lady was knocked unconscious by a leftist? It happened. A young girl in a MAGA hat was pepper sprayed by a leftist. That happened. A conservative female reporter was punched by a male demonstrator. That happened.
I realize your fantasies involve shutting up people who point out inconvenient truths (ah, the good old days of the gulag! They would have known what to do with a pest like Milo!) , but I am not going to stop pointing them out just because you demand that I do so.
And a Breitbart reporter was grabbed, possibly assaulted, and then abandoned by her editor. And a Trump supporter sucker-punched some black dude at His rally. And a mosque in Canada was blown up and other acts of intimidation and violence rose against minorities in America. What's your point? This is not a tit-for-tat club. The whole atmosphere sucks. Go watch some MMA if your menopausal testosterone level needs provoking. I have no interest in indulging your "they started it" Reichstag firebombing bullshit when it comes to violence and victimology. Does nothing for any cogent discussion, just your need to import more conflict into it. Go focus on all that crime that Donald says has risen around the country, instead. You know, the one that the statistics show him comically wrong on.
Go look at the "alternative facts" on those and knock yourself out. This fixation with yours on violence is reaching Gibsonian proportions and I'm finding it boring.
Besides, it's not as fun as this!
Do go on, Pedro.
Craig said...
Exiledonmainstreet, I'm guessing you're just being a jerk, but that's a terrible argument.
I fail to see why. There are a few people - very very few - who are born with the reproductive organs of both sexes and have to chose which sex they identify with. But those unfortunates are very rare.
The others have gender identity dysphoria. I feel sorry for them but men who identify as women are not women, no matter how much they mutilate their bodies. Every cell in their bodies has XY chromosomes. You can call them she or xe or Miss or whatever the hell you wish and that doesn't change, any more than calling myself 27 changes the facts.
There are anoxerics who tell themselves they are obese when they weigh 90 lbs. It would be the height of cruelty to agree with them and encourage them to continue to starve themselves because after all, if they say they are fat, they must be fat. But the delusions of trannies are encouraged and applauded for being "heroic"and anybody like Milo, who points out the obvious truth, is lambasted for bigotry. That's because the Left doesn't give a shit about trannies as people or about really helping them - no, they're just another cudgel to use against the religious right.
It's nonsense -and I foresee an avalanche of lawsuits 20 years down the line. How do you know what the long-term effects of dousing male bodies with estrogen and female bodies with testosterone will be, especially the effect on children with still growing bodies? I expect people will see this folly in the same way we now consider 1940's doctors who performed lobotomies on the mentally ill. Remember that too was considered progressive and humane science at the time.
Ritmo, that you vicariously enjoy and excuse violence is noted.
That is exactly why the Left will continue to lose adherents.
Here's another one you lost:
http://www.npr.org/2017/02/16/515411688/gay-journalist-leaves-left-behind-and-embraces-a-brand-new-conservative
Nice concern trolling there.
Losing "adherents" will be great. I want to make sure that when the shit goes down, you guys have 90% control of the government. I want to make it unmistakeable to them who's to blame.
Let your lack of concern for results and naked, raw obsession with partisanship be revealed in plain view for everyone to see. And note.
Did I throw the word "irresponsible" in there, also? Yes, that too fits.
I want them to know that the "Name Brand CEO" president did all this.
It will be pretty unmistakeable. As much reality as you deny and propagandize against, his lack of results will be pretty easy to ascribe to him.
That's the way he loves it. Makes it more dramatic.
But you go on there about some old lady somewhere. Or wherever. Not Michelle Fields, though. Oh no! Not the women he assaulted!
People like you were made for Stockholm Syndrome.
I see you really enjoy watching Spencer getting punched. How many times have you watched it, over and over and over again, getting all excited?
Why you think anybody here gives a damn about Spencer is beyond me, but I understand the appeal of certain videos. My own personal favorite is watching MSNBC on election night. Now that's fun! Never gets old.
I look forward to working with Mister Toothless as soon as our people can get together to find a date and time to work into our busy schedules.
...how thoroughly she was owned...
Do you relate to the idea of people as property, to be bought and sold?
This type of response is so cynically dishonest... I don't understand why you people engage with this kind of troll. Milo, like every iconoclast, says outrageous things in order to illuminate certain truths. This guy up here says things that are purposefully obtuse; these are attempts to frustrate conversation, not advance it. Note that Maher and this Milo guy, despite substantive disagreements, can get along and reach common ground on certain principles. This is not possible with someone who is proudly insincere.
Actually the real question is:
¿Quien es mas Macho?
"Chuck" o "Ritmo".
Why can't I point out that an old lady was knocked unconscious by a leftist? It happened. A young girl in a MAGA hat was pepper sprayed by a leftist. That happened. A conservative female reporter was punched by a male demonstrator. That happened.
Not true. Her hat said, if memory serves, Make America Bitcoin Again.
The idiot "protestor" didn't bother to read.
Again, the Left seeks to normalize political violence. OK. They will not remotely like where this goes. Because, so far, you've had conservatives, by and large, not come out swinging.
That will eventually cease.
Again, the Left seeks to normalize political violence. OK. They will not remotely like where this goes. Because, so far, you've had conservatives, by and large, not come out swinging.
That will eventually cease.
This view from 1930 is an interesting one.
Maybe these nutbag fascist minoritarians will organize a violent rally. Or maybe, their Savior, Donald the Gaslighter, will send in troops. You know, because he inspires such loyalty and has had such a great time filling the posts required of his government.
But the crybully tactics are indeed amusing. Decrying one oddball incident here or there (I know, no one conservative ever assaulted anyone) as a sign of the mass violence that turns you on and gives you the excuse you think you need to turn on your true violent colors.
You're like Lucille Ball playing dress-up in military fatigues. Waaaaaah!
"This type of response is so cynically dishonest..."
Yes, of course it is - willfully misunderstanding a common idiom to pearl clutch and play PC policeman- and it's easy to see though.
" I don't understand why you people engage with this kind of troll."
In my case, out of boredom, mainly, while I'm watching TV.
"This guy up here says things that are purposefully obtuse"
Yes, but we're used to such things from The Toothless Revolutionary, aka Ritmo, who barks and snarls but is indeed toothless.
There are chunks of my teeth embedded in much better people than you, Ms. Oh Please Don't Use What I Say Against Me!
Anyone can use a phrase like "owning" a person. (Although I find it extremely lazy, overused and inane). But when wielded from the keyboard of someone with as messed up a view of power as a certain someone, I think I have an idea of why they reach for it.
" Or maybe, their Savior, Donald the Gaslighter, will send in troops."
And even if he doesn't, the AP will lie about it. Run, Ritmo, run, the National Guard is sending troops! Hide that illegal alien family under your bed!
Chuck Schumer probably knocked six 71 year old ladies unconscious in his rush to find a microphone and a camera so he could denounce the Trumpenfuhrer.
Pedro.
Not Ritmo. Pedro.
He loves being called Pedro.
But when wielded from the keyboard of someone with as messed up a view of power as a certain someone, I think I have an idea of why they reach for it.
2/18/17, 11:25 PM
Oh of course you do. You're quite an armchair psychologist when it comes to divining the secret, hidden motives of people you've never met. You have me all figured out. You have Milo all figured out. You know all about Trump's relationship with his kids.
You really should set up shop. Like this:
http://isvariyoga.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/07/peanuts-lucy-psychiatrist.png
Type faster, Pedro, we can't wait.
A Pedro Magnum Opus Production
Do another line.
I'll bet he had to get to bed in time to get up for Church in the morning.
Or he had to get his prescription filled.
He was practiced in the art of deception.
HEY! I gotcher fifty amp fuse RIGHT HERE!
"But the crybully tactics are indeed amusing. Decrying one oddball incident here or there (I know, no one conservative ever assaulted anyone) as a sign of the mass violence that turns you on and gives you the excuse you think you need to turn on your true violent colors."
Um. Berkley?
The Occupy Movement?
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