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"I think I'll pass on getting legal advice from a Trump shill. Thanks tho."
Tweeted Michelle Fields — she of the Lewandowski-yanked arm — about Greta Van Susteren, who'd said: "Anyone encouraging this young woman to bring a lawsuit is irresponsible to her."
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Professional journalists, ladies & gentlemen.
I bet she takes Greta's advice even as she calls her names.
She isn't suing because she has been harmed. She's talking about suing to get attention and to pretend she's been harmed.
Why does such a person use Twitter at all? It seems like a stage on which to demonstrate lack of judgement.
I'd advise Ms. Fields to settle her claim for an apology and a hug -- assuming, of course, that she doesn't find that human expression of affection to be unpleasant and/or anxiety arousing.
Michelle Fields seems to be a victim of the millennial culture, where everyone gets a participation trophy and as such, she's never learned how to lose gracefully. She won't sue because no lawyer will take the case on contingency and she can't afford to go mano y mano with Trumps team of lawyers (the man likes to sue!).
This latest tiff with Greta van Susteren is just her way of saying "I'm special".
Remember the Trumpkin claim that the Palm Beach County State's Attorney was a Democrat partisan and that politics was the only reason for the charge?
It was one of about a dozen things they got wrong in this matter. Including Corey Lewandowski's lies, Donald Trump's insults, his reprehensible judgment, the presumption that it was a secret service agent who grabbed Michelle, and that it was the Democratic prosecutor who filed the charge.
Believing in Scientology is even worse than being a Trump shill, but it's close. In either case, Greta defends the indefensible.
This case really seems to bring out the absolute worst instincts and most base stupidity in the Trump crowd.
Which is if course saying an awful lot.
GVS' advice was to anyone advising Fields. I suppose it's implied advice to Fields as well since Greta says she doesn't want to take the stand and subject herself to cross examination, which is opinion not advice. Fields would open up her mental health history, etc. by seeking damages for emotional distress. She seems to be distressed about a lot of things and a jury listening to her saying this incident was almost as bad as the death of her father would roll their eyes if not laugh out loud.
Chuck,
All sides are acting stupid. Defending Lewandowski or Fields is pointless. They are both fools
Iran v. Iraq War -- on a much. much smaller scale.
Isn't this all temporizing until such time as Ms. Fields finds her true calling posing nude?
Never in my life have I made a police report for any sort of fight.
I have also never been a plaintiff in a lawsuit.
Under the circumstances of this matter, I would have done exactly as Michelle Fields did. If I had been her lawyer, I'd have advised her to make a police report exactly as she did. I agree with every one of her subsequent Tweets, word for word.
I can say all of that, and still agree with the prosecutor making a very tough call to decide not to prosecute. (Although I wish he had taken it on, and I'd like to think I would have gone forward to a trial.)
All that we can conclude for sure is that Corey Lewnadowski and the Trump team are lying assholes.
she can't afford to go mano y mano with Trumps team of lawyers (the man likes to sue!).
Trump's an excellent lawfare practitioner. I'm surprised none of the lawyers representing this inexperienced young woman's mentioned that.
Ken B said...
She's talking about suing to get attention and to pretend she's been harmed.
Exactly. The just blew her credibility to be able to accurately report on anything she sees. The video made her look foolish.
Now she has to somehow stay in the public eye, or try for a payout hoping for a settlement. That seems stupid too, as Trump will back his guy, and they will no settle.
Doesn't this also open up her description of events to further scrutiny? Ben Shapiro is going to dump her quickly.
Wonder who Trump paid off to get that suit dismissed? Money buys you.....Hopefully NOT an election
Vicki from Pasadena
What exactly did Michelle Fields get wrong?
Because among the many things that Lewandowski got wrong was that he never touched Michelle, he never met her and that she was imagining the encounter. And among the things Trump got wrong was publicly presuming that it was "made up," then later that Michelle had touched him so protective action by Corey was justified. Lies on top of other lies.
Chuck,
Politically you and I are probably pretty close. But in this SJWs case, you've lost your way buddy.
Nothing happened to Michelle Fields except in her SJW mind. Trump and Lewindowski didn't lie. Fields and her friends blew a situation up into crazy proportion and looked like fools because of it.
She lost. It's over.
Remember the first rule of holes buddy.
Blogger Chuck said...
What exactly did Michelle Fields get wrong?
Because among the many things that Lewandowski got wrong was that he never touched Michelle, he never met her and that she was imagining the encounter.
Lewandowskis representation of the event is much closer to fields. He never met her (encountering someone for a few seconds as they did isn't meeting) and he never touched her (which is an expression we all use to mean "I didn't do what she is accusing me of doing") and based on her description? Being yanked down and being pulled to the ground?
Yeah, she imagined it.
I don't think Ben Shapiro will dump her.
I wish he would. He stupidly hitched his wagon to her. Throws out all his credibility.
Yesterday Megyn Kelly attended a meeting with Trump on his turf at Trump Tower, the Lewandowski charge gets dropped, and the Colorado GOP Chairman is in hiding.
I'd say Trump just had a pretty good couple of days.
After psychiatric treatment I'm sure she'll be fine.
Maybe she'd feel better getting legal advice from Hillary.
eric you in particular fit the mold of mendacious Trump asshattery.
Michelle Fields never claimed to be pulled to the ground. If you are going to play these shit-stupid word games you will find it doesn't go well.
Chuck said...
Remember the Trumpkin claim that the Palm Beach County State's Attorney was a Democrat partisan and that politics was the only reason for the charge?
It was one of about a dozen things they got wrong in this matter.
None of which was as fundamental as believing Fields' dubious account of the encounter, rather than your apparently lyin' eyes when you viewed the videos.
"She's talking about suing to get attention and to pretend she's been harmed."
Yup, but Chuck is convinced she is a victim.
"Although I wish he had taken it on, and I'd like to think I would have gone forward to a trial."
Yes, I'll bet you would have been there every day.
ARM - the video showed conclusively that Lewandowski grabbed her and pulled her. It looked to me like she almost fell in that process.
Exactly as she and a Washington Post reporter stated.
"I'd say Trump just had a pretty good couple of days. "
I'm starting to think better ones are coming. I talk to some other doctors who are Democrats. They are very unenthusiastic about Hillary and starting to ask me if I will vote for Trump if he is the nominee.
Michelle Fields is a fraud. It was a bogus story from the get go. See -
https://twitter.com/brianentin/status/720665902090489856
and
https://twitter.com/tom_winter/status/720721217435672577
Shame on the MSM who ginned up this nonsense in the hopes of damaging Trump.
Mada Gasper said...
Shame on the MSM who ginned up this nonsense in the hopes of damaging Trump.
Unless you have a unique definition of MSM you are wrong. It was primarily the right wing media that went ape-shit over this story.
Michael I am not the slightest bit concerned about Michelle Fields or her victimhood status. I am interested in showing what shameless fuckheads are inside the Trump campaign.
I am also quite interested (at 6' and 190 lbs.) in performing the exact same move on Greta Van Susteren, to see how harmless she thinks it is. She could never make a credible claim for prosecution.
Chuck said...
eric you in particular fit the mold of mendacious Trump asshattery.
Michelle Fields never claimed to be pulled to the ground. If you are going to play these shit-stupid word games you will find it doesn't go well.
Chuck, you are too close to this and it's muddying your thinking.
She claimed he tried to throw her to the ground. A bit of a reach based on the video, don't you think?
"I am also quite interested (at 6' and 190 lbs.) in performing the exact same move on Greta Van Susteren, to see how harmless she thinks it is."
Chuck, I think you need to step away from the keyboard and take your meds.
I really am concerned about you. This is not the end of the world no matter who is elected.
Unless, of course, you work for a lobbying firm in DC.
No, eric; QUOTE Michelle if you are going to put such a fabulous spin on my quoting Lewandowski and Trump. Quit lying and making up stuff for both Corey (to exonerate him) and Michelle (to ridicule her).
Blogger Chuck said...
No, eric; QUOTE Michelle if you are going to put such a fabulous spin on my quoting Lewandowski and Trump. Quit lying and making up stuff for both Corey (to exonerate him) and Michelle (to ridicule her).
Quote what? Surely you know what she has written about the incident at this point.
JournoLism or congested crowd dynamics.
I had never heard of Michele Fields before this.
Mission accomplished.
Ms. Fields is a media whore. In every way.
Gun, Knife or Erection or there is No Crime.
Okay?
I am Laslo.
Chuck said... [hush][hide comment]
Never in my life have I made a police report for any sort of fight.
I have also never been a plaintiff in a lawsuit.
Under the circumstances of this matter, I would have done exactly as Michelle Fields did. If I had been her lawyer, I'd have advised her to make a police report exactly as she did. I agree with every one of her subsequent Tweets, word for word.
I can say all of that, and still agree with the prosecutor making a very tough call to decide not to prosecute.
Assumes facts not in evidence.
Michelle Fields says:"Trump acknowledged the question, but before he could answer I was jolted backwards. Someone had grabbed me tightly by the arm and yanked me down. I almost fell to the ground, but was able to maintain my balance. Nonetheless, I was shaken.
The Washington Post’s Ben Terris immediately remarked that it was Trump’s campaign manager, Corey Lewandowski, who aggressively tried to pull me to the ground"
Personally, I belive it was the Washington Post reporter who stirred this up.If No published report of incident, Ms. Fields would never have brought it up, and would not be in this situation. Of course, some dolts will continue to insist she was vioently attacked. Just as some people believe Duke LsCross's Crystal Magnum, Mattress girl, "Jackie", Gentle Giant Micheal Brown, and naturally, innocent Trayvon.
Lewandowski is a liar and a thug, and he's certainly harmed Ms. Fields' reputation.
But there are serious impediments to any potential defamation claim she might bring against him, Trump, or the Trump campaign. At the top of that list is NYT v. Sullivan, as interpreted to include "limited purpose public figures." Because she voluntarily chose to become a reporter, TV pundit, and minor media celebrity, one whose beat is the most newsworthy topic (the U.S. presidential election) in the world, most courts would be inclined to conclude that she's deliberately injected herself into the public policy and politics arena. This incident arose directly out of her figurative and literal participation in that arena. If Lewandowski had instead grabbed her on at the supermarket on her day off, and then tweeted damaging falsehoods about her, then she might not have to meet the additional threshold required for public-figure defamation plaintiffs. As is, though, she'd likely have to plead and prove "actual malice," defined by Sullivan for this context to mean that the plaintiff must prove the defamatory statement was been published by the defendant with actual knowledge of its falsity, or reckless disregard as to its truth or falsity.
She's got another potential problem if Florida tort law is held to have the most significant relationship to the case (which seems likely, even if she were to file elsewhere). The Florida Supreme Court rejected the "false light" version of defamation a few years ago, and she would have a far better chance winning under that kind of theory (which many other states still recognize) than under traditional common-law libel law.
Defamation claims are just extraordinarily hard to plead, to get past pretrial summary judgment motions, to win with the jury, and to persuade a trial judge to enter judgment upon. Holding those judgments on appeal is also notoriously hard to do.
I sympathize entirely with Ms. Fields on a personal basis, and bow to no one in my distaste for the Trump campaign's thuggish tactics and lying thug of a campaign manager. But I wouldn't take her case on a contingent fee basis. There likely are lawyers who would, though; we'll see.
More Michelle:Even if Trump was done taking questions, Lewandowski would be out of line. Campaign managers aren’t supposed to try to forcefully throw reporters to the ground, no matter the circumstance.
Blogger Beldar said...
Lewandowski is a liar and a thug,
thug
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noun: thug; plural noun: thugs; noun: Thug
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a violent person, especially a criminal.
Pretty sure Chuck threatened Greta upstream a bit. Pretty doggone thuggish rhetoric.I expect he will deny it, just like Corey did.
"she can't afford to go mano y mano with Trumps team of lawyers"
My understanding is Michelle Fields comes from a wealthy family. And I know for a fact her boyfriend, Jamie Weinstein, has a fortune. His deceased dad, Harris Weinstein, owned freaking theme parks and garment factories and was friends with Dick Cheney.
I think Greta is giving her good advice, but she has access to lots of money.
"I sympathize entirely with Ms. Fields on a personal basis, and bow to no one in my distaste for the Trump campaign's thuggish tactics and lying thug of a campaign manager."
Is anyone else interested in how the lawyers all hate Trump far beyond common sense ?
Glenn Reynolds seems to be an exception.
"It’s hilarious, isn’t it. And if he’s the nominee, I’ll vote for him, partly for this very reason."
Me too.
Uh-oh!
‘"The initial photos we received were a couple of days old because it was delayed reporting, obviously. And when I met with my detective in my office afterwards I asked him to reach out and see if he could obtain a photograph that would have been taken more closer in time. And she had taken a photograph on her iPhone that same evening and there was really nothing there."
Fuck you, Full Moon. I am not going to "deny it." I say again; I propose to grab Greta exactly the way that Corey grabbed Michelle. I expect Greta to be surprised and offended, and maybe even a bit frightened. Good. That's how Michelle felt, no doubt. But Greta thinks it was frivolous in Michelle's case. Again, good for me when I do it to her.
Best of all, would be to do it to Corey Lewandowski.
Chuck yells:
Fuck you, Full Moon. I am not going to "deny it." I say again; I propose to grab Greta exactly the way that Corey grabbed Michelle. I expect Greta to be surprised and offended, and maybe even a bit frightened. Good. That's how Michelle felt, no doubt. But Greta thinks it was frivolous in Michelle's case. Again, good for me when I do it to her.
Best of all, would be to do it to Corey Lewandowski.
Golly gumdrops Chuck ! Seems investigating DA saw no bruises on Michelle's arm in photo taken night of "assault".
And best stay away from Corey, he bein' a thug an' all.
Trump's candidacy has been very revealing to me, it has exposed a lack of wisdom from some pundits who I previously respected. I'll vote for Trump if I get the chance.
Chuck said...
Fuck you, Full Moon. I am not going to "deny it." I say again; I propose to grab Greta exactly the way that Corey grabbed Michelle. I expect Greta to be surprised and offended, and maybe even a bit frightened. Good. That's how Michelle felt, no doubt. But Greta thinks it was frivolous in Michelle's case. Again, good for me when I do it to her.
Ya know what Chuck? If I were as adamant as you, and said something like that, I would actually do it. Greta must walk into and out of Fox studio, right? I propose you ain't got the guts to do it.
Grab ahold of yourself, Chuck. Please. We're all aware of your hatred for Trump -- which is fine and dandy -- but you've gone around the bend on this one. Chillax, dude.
Yesterday Megyn Kelly attended a meeting with Trump on his turf at Trump Tower.
Yes. Ratings.
It was primarily the right wing media that went ape-shit over this story.
Naw. It was both wings. On one side, the Lefities – the MSM, Democrats and far Left. On the Right – the GOP establishment. It may have seemed like only the Right wing to some – perhaps because it is so unusual and strange for the eGOP to be allied with the Left.
The charges were dropped because there were no credible charges that could be brought. Florida law allows for someone to be pushed aside as a candidate is trying to leave a rally.
What’s more, the only witness who was interviewed who saw the complete incident stated that “her reaction was fraudulent” and a “fake action.”
But there are serious impediments to any potential defamation claim she might bring against him, Trump, or the Trump campaign.
Yeah(smiling), “serious impediments.” Like for instance: Trump is not guilty of anything, for a starter
... And Trump personally called the Palm Beach County prosecutors and urged them to "do the right thing"...?
Are you fucking kidding me?
All of the unhinged Trumpbots who were assailing the prosecutor from day one, for allegedly being in the bag for Democrats, were laughably wrong. He wasn't. He's been to private parties at Trump's Palm Beach residence. He's well known enough, to Trump, to be called by him personally in this case.
grackle wrote:
What’s more, the only witness who was interviewed who saw the complete incident stated that “her reaction was fraudulent” and a “fake action.”
That's a lie, grackle. Jupiter PD Detective Marc Bujnowski interviewed Michelle Fields. Her statements as reported by detective Bujnowski were spot-on and fully supported by the video. Then on March 11, Bujnowski interviewed Washington Post reporter Ben Terris; Terris confirmed Michelle's story and positively identified Corey Lewandowski as the perpetrator.
That's two witnesses confirming the incident. Grackle.
Was Lewandowski interviewed? Or did he decline on advice of counsel?
Chuck said...
... And Trump personally called the Palm Beach County prosecutors and urged them to "do the right thing"...?
Are you fucking kidding me?
All of the unhinged Trumpbots who were assailing the prosecutor from day one, for allegedly being in the bag for Democrats, were laughably wrong. He wasn't. He's been to private parties at Trump's Palm Beach residence. He's well known enough, to Trump, to be called by him personally in this case.
So, the prosecutor is under Trump's thumb? The fact there were no bruises the night of the incident has nothing to do with it?
If a female journalist's arm gets pulled -- not to the point of injury -- that's a big deal, an issue that can be used to promote her "brand" and possibly to justify a career-enhancing and profitable lawsuit. But if a non-public woman is raped by a man who breaks into her apartment, well, that's not so newsworthy. Sisterhood, ha!
I'm a recovering female journalist. Back in the day, we had no use for these weak sisters. There were bigger issues -- being banned from the campaign bus, being relegated to the gossip column or the food page, being passed over for lazy but taller male journalists for serious assignments, being hit on by editors and on and on and on. We understood what was going on but didn't pick blood fights over minor issues.
We were stupid. We should have dyed our hair yellow, hired makeup consultants, bought wardrobes of sleeveless dresses in bright colors and challenged the easy suspects like Donald Trump for perceived sexism.
The best of us -- not me; I gave up years ago -- stood their ground and did their jobs. Not that it did them any good.
Chuck is losing it.
Try meditation, Chuck.
Your blood pressure is not the only thing you are getting in trouble with.
Chuck the Cuck, seek help. You need it, badly.
"Best of all, would be to do it to Corey Lewandowski."
Chuck, I hope you're in shape. Your ego is writing checks your body can't cash.
I'm a recovering female journalist. Back in the day, we had no use for these weak sisters. There were bigger issues -- being banned from the campaign bus, being relegated to the gossip column or the food page, being passed over for lazy but taller male journalists for serious assignments, being hit on by editors and on and on and on. We understood what was going on but didn't pick blood fights over minor issues.
The reason you and others were treated like that is because everyone understood back then that if you put a female journalist in the scrum, they would scream and shout and say they were assaulted if someone grabbed their arm.
Full Moon:
I have made this point many times in the several day's worth of discussions of this case...
It matters not, if there was any injury. Neither the common law of simple battery, nor the operative Florida statute, require any proof of an injury on the part of victim in order to establish the elements of the crime.
So it does not matter if there were bruises or not. To me, the notion that there were no visible bruises on the night of the incident, but that there was bruising seen 2 or 3 days later, makes perfect common sense to me as a layperson.
I am not a doctor; I am a lawyer. And I say that the bruising issue does not matter, in establishing simple battery.
Of course, not all touching is battery. A battery is only established by unconsented touching which is objectively offensive, if not injurious.
So you can bump somebody in an elevator, or tap them on the shoulder to step aside in a narrow hallway; no battery. But you can't shove them, or grab them, or punch them. I doesn't matter if you do or do not injure the victim. The famous case in the beginning of our torts book in law school is a simple battery case, in which a segregated hotel in the old south saw a hotel manager swat a plate out of the hand of an African-American standing in a buffet line. The manager never even actually touched the victim. And he did not injure the victim. Still, it was (tortious) battery. It was offensive touching.
Chuck said...
Full Moon:
I have made this point many times in the several day's worth of discussions of this case...
It matters not, if there was any injury. Neither the common law of simple battery, nor the operative Florida statute, require any proof of an injury on the part of victim in order to establish the elements of the crime.
So it does not matter if there were bruises or not.
So, you continue to suggest the DA was bought off, or is under Trump's thumb?
I assume you will forego your attack on Greta, what with prior aforethought, public threat and all?
FullMoon:
I didn't start the personal attacks on the Palm Beach County prosecutor. The Trumpkins did. And it was unfair from the start. The prosecutor had nothing to do with the charging document or the arrest. The prosecutor had everything to with today's decision not to prosecute. So yeah, there is that part, eh?
I am not suggesting that the prosecutor was bought off by Trump. Even when Trump claims that his donations to various Democtats over the years was to secure favored treatment for his business, I don't believe Trump. I don't believe Trump about almost everything.
But I do believe the prosecutor, when he reported to the world that Donald Trump had called the office to urge them to "do the right thing." That is unimaginably obscene interference with the office, and thereby perfectly in keeping with Trump's character.
Chuck said...
FullMoon:
I didn't start the personal attacks on the Palm Beach County prosecutor. The Trumpkins did. And it was unfair from the start. The prosecutor had nothing to do with the charging document or the arrest. The prosecutor had everything to with today's decision not to prosecute. So yeah, there is that part, eh?
I am not suggesting that the prosecutor was bought off by Trump. Even when Trump claims that his donations to various Democtats over the years was to secure favored treatment for his business, I don't believe Trump. I don't believe Trump about almost everything.
But I do believe the prosecutor, when he reported to the world that Donald Trump had called the office to urge them to "do the right thing." That is unimaginably obscene interference with the office, and thereby perfectly in keeping with Trump's character.
C.mon ,Chuck, even you know Trump was basically inferring "I will not back Corey or interfere if you choose to prosecute him." Rescinding his prior defense of Corey.
So far as "believing the prosecutor", why wouldn't you? Trump has not denied talking with him, as far as I know. For all we know, Trump wants it publicized so low information voters (like me) appreciate his willingness to "do the right thing".
You are teaming up with SJW's chuck. They are not good people. Of course when they go after Cruz chuck will support them then as well. Consistency and all of that although I suspect chuck is a DC shill and would like to see anyone who rocks the boat taken out.
Chuck, why did you drop this?
Blogger Chuck said...
No, eric; QUOTE Michelle if you are going to put such a fabulous spin on my quoting Lewandowski and Trump. Quit lying and making up stuff for both Corey (to exonerate him) and Michelle (to ridicule her).
Think about it.
We see you plain, Ms. Fields.
Your cookies are awful.
Chuck is a dull boy.
That's a lie, grackle. Jupiter PD Detective Marc Bujnowski interviewed Michelle Fields. Her statements as reported by detective Bujnowski were spot-on and fully supported by the video. Then on March 11, Bujnowski interviewed Washington Post reporter Ben Terris; Terris confirmed Michelle's story and positively identified Corey Lewandowski as the perpetrator. That's two witnesses confirming the incident. Grackle.
The commentor is torturing the word, “witness,” by using it to describe Michelle Fields. There’s usually some degree of impartiality implied by the word, “witness.” The same goes for Michelle’s buddy, Ben Terris.
What I’m pointing out is that the only witness who has no ax to grind, who could credibly be described as “impartial,” told the Florida investigators that they thought Field’s “reaction was fraudulent” and a “fake action.” I think most impartial folks would agree that with an impartial witness giving this type of damning testimony that it would have been pointless to have gone forward.
I am a lawyer … you can't shove them, or grab them, or punch them.
As a lawyer, Chuck, you might want to look up the Florida statutes in question. If you do you will see that Florida law allows for the grabbing and shoving aside anyone who is impeding the progress of a candidate trying to exit a rally.
The “punch them” addition to the debate by Chuck is yet another example of the hyperbole and misleading word-use surrounding this kerfuffle. No one was punched.
Chuck, you DO realize that there is a history of candidates for the presidency being shot, don’t you? You DO realize that with this history of assassination that certain security principles need to be followed, don’t you? You DO remember what happened to Robert Kennedy when he was trying to exit a campaign rally, don’t you?
I suspect that the audio recording of Michelle’s supposed reaction at the incident was staged much later. That was after her and her buddy, Terris, had decided they would invent a story and ride it all the way to #neverTrump fame and fortune. Eventually, reality painfully punctured this balloon of nothing.
The hysteria from the Left is fully explained by its deep-seated cultural need to paint any prominent GOP figure as a sexist. It happened to McCain, it happened to Romney.
And to their shame and loss of credibility the #neverTrumpers eagerly jumped in with the Lefties.
The Left has been desperately searching for a way to label Trump a sexist without involving the tainted and weak Hillary. Hillary herself tried it only once very early on but was immediately silenced by Trump’s response.
This morning on Morning Joe, Mika, who is the smartest of all the Morning Joes, admitted defeat on this non-issue that was elevated to a phony issue. Chuck, if you’ve lost Morning Joe, you’ve lost the debate.
Readers, it’s a favorite tactic of political propagandists to take the ordinary and commonplace(someone being shoved out of the way as a candidate is exiting a rally) and try to elevate it to something ominous and overly significant. Look for it – it’s happened a lot already and it will surely happen again.
eric you should read the police report and tell me where Michelle Fields claims to have been thrown to the ground. I can save you the trouble; she never made that assertion. The charging document in Lewandowski's case was based on a thoroughly accurate description of the event.
Compare, to the Corey Lewandowski Tweet in which he claimed to have never touched her, and claimed further that Michelle was being "delusional."
That is a plain embarrassment to Lewandowski and it would not surprise me one bit that Trump fanatics, unmoored from reality, would deny those basic facts.
grackle you are a real Trumpkin. And I mean that in the most personally insulting way possible.
"The Left" had nothing to do with the outrage over the reaction to this incident. The outrage crossed party and ideological grounds, much like the general opposition to Trump in the nation more generally.
You are a real fucking joke, when you gripe about liberal media and then point me to a morning tv show on MSNBC. MSNBC?!? I don't like that show, or its hosts, or that cable network, or its parent network. I can easily imagine how the Trumpkins would like it, since they are routinely so generous to Trump. I guess they know what a closet liberal Trump is. They should.
You are an even bigger fool and a moron if you accept any notion that this was about "security." No intelligent person could think so. The Secret Service in close proximity paid no attention to her. Lewandowski himself treated her as a nuisance reporter, not a security threat. Your theorizing to the contrary, and the notion that the audio recording was staged makes you part of a tinfoil hat brigade within the tinpot Trump nation.
You are an embarrassment.
Lawyers bringing ill advised law suits? Can't happen!
I love how Chuck thinks he knows what is embarrassing. Maybe he is our own Andy Kaufman?
A simple "I didn't intend to do anything" comment would've stopped all of this. But Trump has fucking morons working for him at basically every level.
And of course, damikesc, the line "I never touched her," is howling my inconsistent with "I felt the need to physically grab her in the interest of Mr. Trump's physical security."
This is all deserving of the most scathing ridicule.
In the select terminology that even Trump supporters can access, Corey Lewandowski is a douchebag.
"howlingly," not "howling my... ". Goddamned auto correct.
Blogger Chuck said...
eric you should read the police report and tell me where Michelle Fields claims to have been thrown to the ground. I can save you the trouble; she never made that assertion. The charging document in Lewandowski's case was based on a thoroughly accurate description of the event.
I noticed you mentioned the police report. So what?
There are other areas for her to make such claims.
Specifically, at her old employers website, Breitbart. Michelle Fields, in her own words column.
You might want to familiarize yourself with it.
And what did she get wrong, eric?
I want to carefully compare what you think is Michelle Fields' most egregious and consequential misstatement of facts, with the Lewandowski/Trump misstatements.
And before you answer -- because I really want to fight this out with you until you cry uncle -- let's agree that procedurally, defendant Lewandowski gets every advantage. His guilt would have required proof of every element, and the absence of any defense beyond a reasonable doubt.
So; go and give it your best shot, because the charges against Lewandowski were based in the police report and an interview with her and not any column by her or any interview with her.
Chuck, I quoted you and it above.
That he tried to throw her to the ground.
Nothing in the video comes even remotely close to that, wouldn't you agree?
A Reasonable Man wrote:
"Unless you have a unique definition of MSM you are wrong. It was primarily the right wing media that went ape-shit over this story."
You've missed one of the lessons of the Trump campaign, that is that there is no left and right media, there is only a paid tribune class. This isn't new in American history but at least in 1832 you knew what side your newspaper was on. Would I be wrong to assume that you think Fox News is conservative?
The prime lesson to learn is that up until now the country was run by an oligarchy and Mr. Trump is peeling back the cover one day at a time.
You can read about the oligarchy here:
https://scholar.princeton.edu/sites/default/files/mgilens/files/gilens_and_page_2014_-testing_theories_of_american_politics.doc.pdf
God damn you eric! She did NOT report that to the police! She said no such thing! She never claimed that she was thrown to the ground. Completely separate from her statement to the police she vaguely mentioned something about the manner in which she was grabbed, said it was like being thrown down.
Now, compare that to the completely malevolent lie from the accused that he never touched the victim. When he clearly did.
Deal with it eric.
And of course, damikesc, the line "I never touched her," is howling my inconsistent with "I felt the need to physically grab her in the interest of Mr. Trump's physical security."
Chuck, I agree with you. Trump and Good Ole Corey decided to take what would've been nothing and decided to make it big. If Corey had just said "Sorry" or even "I didn't intend to do anything", Michelle would've been fine. She's said she basically had no option after they called her a liar and basically implied she invented the entire incident. Call a reporter a liar or a fabulist and their rep can get decimated.
Trump's people took the story and gave it legs. Because his people are idiots.
Blogger Chuck said...
God damn you eric! She did NOT report that to the police! She said no such thing! She never claimed that she was thrown to the ground. Completely separate from her statement to the police she vaguely mentioned something about the manner in which she was grabbed, said it was like being thrown down.
Now, compare that to the completely malevolent lie from the accused that he never touched the victim. When he clearly did.
Deal with it eric.
I never made the claim that she reported it to the police. She made the claim at Breitbart, in her column, titled Michelle Fields in her own words.
I don't care what she reported to the police. Why are you suddenly focusing on that, as far as what Fields says, but not focusing on that as far as what Lewandowski said?
She made the claim that he tried to throw her down to the ground.
If someone said that about me and I tried no such thing and merely grabbed her arm, I too would say I never touched her.
The Fox News channel has partly, but only partly, gone into the tank for Trump.
Sean Hannity is nothing other than a complete toady for Trump.
Hannity had the chance to ask these questions (or any hard questions at all) of Lewandowski:
~ Were you interviewed by the police? If so, what did you say? Or, did you refuse to speak to police?
~ Did you speak to anyone else about the matter? Did you confess to a Breitbary editor that you mistook Michelle for a mainstream media reporter? And that you were simply trying to stop her interview?
~ Can you explain Mr. Trump calling the prosecutor?
~ If you were trying to protect Mr. Trump, why wasn't that your story from the beginning?
Hannity is such a Trump cocksucker; he didn't ask any of those questions.
It looks like it's been over an hour without chuckles filling us in on the latest subtle permutation of his hatred for Trump! I hope he's alright.
I wonder if it's this comment that got her fired at Fox News.
I hope others keep waking up to what this girl is really all about and she winds up a fantastic home maker at some point.
Prosecutors in Palm Beach County, Florida announced Thursday that a potential criminal battery case against Donald Trump's campaign manager is dead in the water, calling into question the version of events presented by a reporter who filed the criminal complaint.
One witness told police his eyes were fixed on Michelle Fields, the journalist who claimed Corey Lewandowski battered her – and her actions 'looked like a fraudulent slip-and-fall.'
Police in Jupiter, Florida released video of their interview with Michael Spellman on Thursday, along with a more formal statement that he wrote immediately afterward.
Spellman, the president of a glass technology company based in Jupiter, says on camera that Fields' reaction to Lewandowski separating her from Trump after a March 8 press conference was 'disproportionate' and 'bizarre.'
'At first I thought she was drunk,' he recalled.
Recalling the moment he said Fields 'shoved her phone ... right at' Trump, Spellman said he was 'surprised that Secret Service let 'em do that – let her do that.'
'But then seconds later it just – she spun, and it was really animated and acting.
His written statement, obtained by NBC News, said he saw Fields 'fall back in what appeared to be a disproportionate reaction and a fake action. I did not see from my view any touching. I truly believe her reaction was fraudulent.'
FullMoon:
All of the bullshit you just posted; I presume you copied it from somewhere. But you didn't indicate it as a quote of any kind, and you didn't supply a source or a link.
Do you want to do that? It'll help me demolish it a bit more conclusively if you'd help out.
Chuck said this: You are a real fucking joke, when you gripe about liberal media and then point me to a morning tv show on MSNBC. MSNBC?!? I don't like that show, or its hosts, or that cable network, or its parent network.
And Chuck also says this:
The Fox News channel has partly, but only partly, gone into the tank for Trump. Sean Hannity is nothing other than a complete toady for Trump.
Chuck’s running out of cable channels. Better tune in to CNN, Chuck.
You are an even bigger fool and a moron if you accept any notion that this was about "security." No intelligent person could think so.
With the example of Bobby Kennedy getting shot and killed as Kennedy was trying to exit a rally as an apt reference, we Trumpsters want Trump to take no chances. And there wasn’t half the hatred stirred up against Kennedy as there is against Trump.
So, we Trumpsters want Corey to keep clearing the way for Trump. We do not mind if someone is grabbed and pushed out of the way. Better safe than sorry.
So much of the anti-Trump rhetoric is hysterical, hate-based and over the top. Take Chuck’s vituperation as an example: “lying assholes, mendacious Trump asshattery, Fuck you, You are a real fucking joke, You are an even bigger fool and a moron, God damn you eric!”
And that’s in the comments section of just one Althouse post. The rage is palpable. The cables use non-profane language but are no longer attempting even the appearance of impartiality. With a few lonely exceptions Trump is roundly condemned on all the cables, most of the newspapers, the eGOP, academia, the Lefty blogs and many Rightwing blogs.
Despite all this opposition the Trump has amassed the most delegates, won the most primaries, won the most votes and is sitting on top of the polls. Amazing.
I'm no longer so sure about your level of stupidity grackle. I think you've got a lot more plain mendacity, then mere stupidity.
If you are going to try to feed us that nonsense about Corey Lewandowski "protecting" Donald Trump, then why did he deny touching her? Or meeting her? And why did he call her "delusional"? Why not say, "Oh yes, I intervened because I feared for Mr. Trump's safety..."
Here's the reason, grackle; it was because "security" was not on Lewandowski's mind. He was miffed at a reporter bugging his man. By at least one (uncontroverted) account, Lewandowski confessed to a Breitbart editor, long before Lewandowski was charged, that he (Lewandowski) had mistook Michelle (as a 'friendly' Breitbart reporter, for some other Mainstream Media reporter. And he just put a stop to that.
And let's go on, because I want to rub your nose in this. No Secret Service agent, within an arm's reach, sought to perform the intervention that Lewandowski took. And after the fact, absolutely no one treated Michelle Fields as any sort of security risk. She was not stopped. Not questioned. Not arrested. No ID demanded. She was clearly and obviously credentialed press.
You can take your "RFK" and "JFK" theories and shove them, grackle. You've been given plenty of chances on this subject. I just don't think you can be humiliated any more. I don't know what else to do with you or say about you.
Chuck said...
FullMoon:
All of the bullshit you just posted; I presume you copied it from somewhere. But you didn't indicate it as a quote of any kind, and you didn't supply a source or a link.
Do you want to do that? It'll help me demolish it a bit more conclusively if you'd help out.
Jeeze, Chuck, I thought you abandoned me. Looking forward to your demolition....
You still intend to grab Greta's arm?
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3540520/No-charges-Trump-campaign-manager-reporter-battery-case-investigators-say-reacting-touched-Trump-did-needed-do.html
Chuck, while you are there, may as well demolish this snippet.
Talk later, OK?
Prosecutors said during Thursday's press conference that Michelle Fields made physical contact with Donald Trump before Corey Lewandowski touched her, but denied it during their conversations with her.
Palm Beach County State Attorney Dave Aronberg described the incident, saying Fields 'makes her way beyond the press area and gets right next to Mr. Trump and actually makes slight contact with Mr. Trump.'
Aronberg's chief assistant prosecutor, Adrienne Ellis, chose more forceful words while narrating video footage: 'You can see when she gets next to him that she touches him and you can see Mr. Trump recoil his arm like that, and that is the point at which Mr. Lewandowski reaches in.'
Ellis also recalled a conversation with Trump in which 'he said that she touched him, and all that's captured on the video surveillance. ... it was quite evident.'
But Ellis said Fields told her that she never made physical contact with Trump.
'My conversation with her was basically that she, you know, did not touch Mr Trump,' Ellis said.
A reporter countered: 'She said that to you?'
'Yes,' Ellis replied, 'that she did not touch Mr. Trump. And that's not what we see captured on video.'
Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3540520/No-charges-Trump-campaign-manager-reporter-battery-case-investigators-say-reacting-touched-Trump-did-needed-do.html#ixzz462AUhkEY
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The way Michelle Fields talks you would think someone yanked her arm out of its socket, threw it on the floor and kicked it under a sofa. Someone jerked her by the arm after she got too close and too pushy with a presidential candidate. What I don't understand was why anyone thought this was worth talking about for more than ten seconds, apology or not.
Paul your point -- which is not a legal point and isn't even close to recognizing any of the legal points -- seems to be that any normal common sense person would never give second thought to the relevant events as giving rise to any battery charge.
Which is why I have said that I want very much to do the exact same, to anyone who thinks as you do. And see how you like it. And see if you want to file a police report. After, that is, you have written what you have written here.
Full Moon I am saying to you again; if Lewandowski had thought that he was engaged in legitimate "security" clearance, he could have said so from the beginning.
You won't explain that. You can't explain that. The Michelle Fields "touching" of Trump is a complete red herring. Trump's FIRST reaction to ALL of this is that he didn't remember a thing about it and didn't see it. He thought it was "made up"! Lewandowski's FIRST reaction was to deny it.
I gotta hand it to Trump and Lewandowski; they latched onto their best story, however belatedly. The "defending the candidate in the name of security story." Because the prosecutor could not disprove that defense beyond a reasonable doubt, Lewandowski escaped a prosecution that otherwise would apparently have succeeded.
Blogger Chuck said...
Full Moon I am saying to you again; if Lewandowski had thought that he was engaged in legitimate "security" clearance, he could have said so from the beginning.
You won't explain that. You can't explain that. The Michelle Fields "touching" of Trump is a complete red herring. Trump's FIRST reaction to ALL of this is that he didn't remember a thing about it and didn't see it. He thought it was "made up"! Lewandowski's FIRST reaction was to deny it.
I gotta hand it to Trump and Lewandowski; they latched onto their best story, however belatedly. The "defending the candidate in the name of security story." Because the prosecutor could not disprove that defense beyond a reasonable doubt, Lewandowski escaped a prosecution that otherwise would apparently have succeeded.
Obviously it slipped his ming, duh!
Chuck said...
Paul your point -- which is not a legal point and isn't even close to recognizing any of the legal points -- seems to be that any normal common sense person would never give second thought to the relevant events as giving rise to any battery charge.
Which is why I have said that I want very much to do the exact same, to anyone who thinks as you do. And see how you like it. And see if you want to file a police report. After, that is, you have written what you have written here.
Yeah, you been wantin' to do that for 'bout a week now.
What's holdin' you back? In order to duplicate circumstance, just show up at any candidates rally,grab an arm while exiting and post a link to your youtube vid so everyone may compare reactions.
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