"The subject was fraud charges against Trump University, and every time he tried to portray them as baseless and the school and its students as the happiest place this side of Disneyland, Kelly pushed back. Confronted him with contrary evidence. Corrected his selective, self-serving version. Her victory was clear when Trump pivoted from defending himself to pummeling Rubio, saying that if fraud was the topic, Rubio’s poor record of attendance in the Senate should be examined. 'He scammed the people of Florida,' Trump said. 'He defrauded the people of Florida.'"
Writes Frank Bruni, aptly, in the NYT in "Five Big Questions After a Vulgar Republican Debate."
I say aptly, because a poor attendance record may be bad but it's not fraud (unless you have a fussy depends-on-what-the-meaning-of-fraud-is workaround), and so it was the kind of desperate argument you'd expect to hear from a child. Little Marco's bad too!
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81 comments:
I just want to assure everybody that, much as I might like it, I have not been hired as an editor of the Althouse blog.
Except Trump publishes his Better Business Bureau A rating on twitter this morning.
Trump U is a valid issue although it seems to be about the level of Fred Thompson selling reverse mortgages.
What I have read about seems to be an indicator of how stupid people can be even though they have money.
The father of a college room mate of mine was a real estate developer in Los Angeles in the 40s and 50s. It used to enrage him when the people who bought his real estate, and who seemed suckers to him, made a lot of money and asked for more investment advice.
Trump had a lot of nadirs last night.
What's Ralph Nader doing these days?
"Except Trump publishes his Better Business Bureau A rating on twitter this morning."
That was apparently for a subsequent company.
I was not aware of this, but it seems that Trump approached Megyn Kelly last night after that set of questions, and handed to her a piece of paper indicating that Trump University got an A rating from the Better Business Bureau.
Trump's gambit gets taken apart here:
http://therightscoop.com/yes-trump-lied-about-trump-universitys-better-business-bureau-rating/
Trump is lying. Megyn Kelly was right. Marco Rubio was right. Trump, who's now been involved in a civil fraud case and a nasty dispute with the former administrators of the "university," for a long enough time to absolutely know better, was clearly lying and spinning the story.
I'd go after Megyn Kelly for her soap opera.
I'm surprised Trump doesn't spot that, since it's the same as PC.
Kelly crucified him with that quote from the Circuit court opinion. Essentially marks praise their scammers (like Trump and Bernie Madoff) until they realized they've been fleeced.
Con artist.
But maybe the three judge panel was all biased against Donald. Or maybe all three were Hispanic. Or whatever. #exposed
The republicans have become an embarrassment to our country... childish, vulgar, creepy, dishonest and they go downhill from there...
"Desperate argument you hear from a child"? I know, that's how progressives argue.
Sadly, Trump's supporters probably thought Trump did well with that argument.
... students ... happiest place this side of Disneyland,
What Trump is selling. Disneyland.
Worst than a child, it's an argument I'd expect from Hillary Clinton.
Funny thing - a few of my more liberal friends thought Fox News was inappropriately attacking Trump.
Kelly is quite biased.
"Both Romney and Rubio are tied to for-profit colleges that fleeced not just many U.S. students, leaving them with substandard educations and overwhelming debt, but also ripped off U.S. taxpayers, who foot the bill for student Pell grants and defaulted student loans."
Trump is vulgar and slippery. That much has been apparent from the beginning. It won't matter to the 35% that support him. He has devised the perfect strategy to win the primary and lose the election.
Every Trump media exchange/interview has become like a legal deposition wherein the attorney-like host asks essentially the same question that was asked before. The two answers and transcripts are then compared like redlined documents. Discrepancies are highlighted and pounced on and then "litigated" in the court of opinion. I think Megyn Kelly pioneered this method, having legal training. BTW, how does she even keep her eyes open?
There could be a class action lawsuit filed against all universities and the federal government that load students with undischargeable debt and degrees that underperform in the market. Presumably, this is a cause for immigration quotas that displace/replace Americans and outsource technological and industrial jobs (e.g. "green" jobs) to China, etc.
sunsong said...The republicans have become an embarrassment to our country... childish, vulgar, creepy, dishonest and they go downhill from there...
LOL Great shill for Hillary.
The democrat party has always been an embarrassment to this country, and a source of wickedness. From the slave owners of the south to Jim Crow to providing and comfort to our enemies to backing the Black Panthers and the SDS to their corruption of the federal bureaucracy to their degenerate, despicable deceitful leaders from Wilson to FDR to LBJ to Ted Kennedy to Pelosi to Dodd to Schumer to the criminal creep Barney Frank to the vile imperial liar and his vulgar hateful wife currently polluting the White House to the current democrat party presumptive nominee and her rapist dishonest husband. The democrat party is a criminal organization with a history of infamy and disgrace. Yet incredibly, its party members believe themselves superior to their fellow Americans. The arrogance of ignorance.
"He has devised the perfect strategy to win the primary and lose the election."
Keep telling yourself that. It will help you sleep.
n.n said...Presumably, this is a cause for immigration quotas that displace/replace Americans and outsource technological and industrial jobs (e.g. "green" jobs) to China, etc.
Trump is losing me with his slow motion caving to Zuckerberg's master plan to ramp up H-1B visas.
"The republicans have become an embarrassment to our country... childish, vulgar, creepy, dishonest and they go downhill from there..."
Yes, especially all that talk about balancing the budget and other nasty stuff.
19 trillion in debt and we're spending 40 minutes on the freakin better business bureau. fantastic. Why is megyn kelly acting as a candidate and debating Trump directly ? That was brazen corruption last night. Romney gives a speech trashing trump and 5 hours later his niece gets to stack an audience ? How very fair and balanced.
I want to point out to the Althouse readership what a bullshitter AReasonableMan is.
That quote he supplied, without a link, is from a Puffington Host article. The gist of the article is that old Obama-era complaint that for-profit universities need to be shut down. It's been one of the left-wing shibboleths in education for years.
And that isn't the issue with Trump University. Trump University, very much unlike anything that Rubio and Romney have ever been associated with, was never certified or chartered by New York as a "university" at all. And Trump University is in a class by itself, for lawlessness under New York law, for disputes between Donald J. Trump and the operators of the school, and for fraud claims by students.
The for-profit university model is actually a very interesting subject for true conservatives. Trump University is just the worst and most embarrassing example that there is, for unlawful excesses in the field.
And this of course is how the Trump model operates: Trump takes it on the chin for something stupid, insulting and hurtful to innocent people, and the response is a personal attack on the messengers. Shamelessness is the core Trump message.
I am listening to Trump's personal appearances in Detroit this morning. Utterly shameless and unhinged. Promising Detroit manufacturing workers that they will have so many job offers when he is president, they won't know what to do.
Chuck said...
That quote he supplied, without a link,
You moron. I made clear it was a quote so anyone could google it.
Chuck wrote: I am listening to Trump's personal appearances in Detroit this morning. Utterly shameless and unhinged. Promising Detroit manufacturing workers that they will have so many job offers when he is president, they won't know what to do.
I can't imagine you writing anything differently, based on what you been writing here now for months. Anyone could have predicted weeks ago that Trump will come to Detroit and that Chuck will bash him. We don't even have to read your reasons why. You have become that predictable.
I've had my differences with ARM over the years but on Trump--and on the 2016 political political landscape in general--he's been refreshing.
And I did Google it, and I found out what I needed to. And now everybody knows, much better, what they need to know about your quotation, than when you first clicked on "Publish Your Comment."
Trump hasn't been found liable and is defending the accusations and said he paid refunds to unsatisfied customers.
So if he wins the suit, what happens then? Trump will abe able to get testimonials from a lot of people who said the courses helped them.
Most higher education is a scam -- the cost far exceeds the benefits. But courts protect law schools from these types of suits because courts have law school graduates.
A smart candidate might tie Trump U to the larger problem. But they don't want to address the larger problem.
From what I've read about Trump U, people taking the courses can't get student loans to pay for them. So at least the taxpayers won't be on the hook.
Why the Government is to Blame for High College Costs
The Democrats support Trump because they want to win in November.
(mccullough, "AReasonableMan"... all of them are party loyalists.)
Now return to your regularly scheduled delusions.
chickelit:
ramp up H-1B visas
That may be a problem, but it's not a given. There may actually be a need to fill specialty occupations in quantity or quality. As long as there is parity between candidates under the same conditions, then there should be no incentive to overlook a similarly qualified American.
The government should get out of the student loan business entirely. Start with law school. There arent enough jobs and its terrible policy to give loans half of students won't be able to pay back.
There are not enough good paying jobs for all the people in college and graduate school either. Our economy has shifted but we are just transferring billions to Big Academy.
I'm actually in favor of the government forgiving a lot of the student debt, but that must be coupled with never again legislation getting rid of student loans.
Birkel
Stop being a useless idiot and make yourself a useful one.
Trump channels George Patton. Patton would intentionally give his men bold vulgarity to let them know he was a fighter like them down in the dirt and would not run away and hide when the enemy shows up to kill them.
Of course that offended every officer and gentleman taking pride in playing military dress up games as little old West Point ladies sipping their tea at the Officers Club.
"liberal friends thought Fox News was inappropriately attacking Trump."
Many libs don't like FN regardless. The enemy of my enemy ...
msnbc is pretty much unwatchable and while FN is totally in the tank for Reps, they are oddly entertaining at times. Don't have an opinion one way or another re: cnn which in and of itself is damning.
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Suffice it to say on a very, very good day 99% of political "pundits" have a keen grasp of the obvious.
And Kelly needs to develop a thick skin like Hillary the past (25) years. Learn to be one of the boys. You Bet'çha!
Michael Fitzgerald:
You have to give the Democrats credit for some things. They know how to conserve environmental stability and maintain "green" lawns. Their donkey mascot captures the essence of a stubborn streak that has allowed them to win many battles, if perhaps not the war. Also, for better or for worse, they are capable of overcoming irreconcilable differences. Surely, the Republicans are not nearly so fractionated. There is something to be learned from these competent competitors.
Take a look up at the scoreboard, Frank Bruni. No nadir there.
the debate was a disgrace. Too much time attacking Trump on BS issues. Rubio is never going to be nominated and should quit. Trump has been endorsed by Sessions and states he will implement the Senators Immigration strategy. Rubio is mr. open borders. I have no idea why Trump doesn't emphasize this instead of childish insults. but then maybe the insults work.
It wasn't really a debate as such, more of a simultaneous interview with some group participation, no? I mean the format vis a vis the "moderators" was more like the Sunday AM political talk shows.
I'm really not sure having an audience present does much to elevate or improve the actual "debate" experience--from a few clips I've heard the background sounded a bit like the old Arsenio Hall show at times.
I do not understan all these references to Hillary! and "25 years." Her record goes back 50 years to her college days as president of her "Young Republicans" chapter.
The Washington Post held Kaplan University while it scammed students but that was OK because The Post is run by Democrats and its ownership has changed because it was going bankrupt. But - nothing like Trump because Democratic.
Actually this morning after reading several Althouse posts I realized that Cruz and Rubio might be found ineligible before August while Hillary might be indited. Then if they found Sander's party card and the GOPe took away Trump's party card with relentless attacks we'd have no candidate for either party on the ballot except Kasich. Well that would be OK with me. But probably there would be organized write-ins and Trump and Hillary would be in the courts over Hillary's cheating in the inner cities for four years. Both would appoint Supreme Court Justices who would resolve the issue for the person who appointed them - or else for Kasich. It would turn into a Shia-Sunni division or two new parties. Kasich would head the third party - GOPe. The White House would be divided like Czechoslovakia and Hillary's section would be subdivided into HillsHell/BillsParty. Life would go on in America - better than before without the veiled kingship. It's all good.
Agree with Hoodlum. A debate would be run by the Republican Party and the "moderator" would be restricted to turning their microphones on and off for the agreed time limits. Any questions should be asked by the opposing debaters.
"-from a few clips I've heard the background sounded a bit like the old Arsenio Hall show at times."
Which is what LIV's want. No wonder GOP primary turnout is so great.
chickelit: Trump is losing me with his slow motion caving to Zuckerberg's master plan to ramp up H-1B visas.
He screwed the pooch on that question. I don't watch debates, but one pro-Trump site where I hang out regularly was wall-to-wall disgust over that, so I looked it up - yes, utter fuck up. Knew it, too, since his campaign rushed to put out a disclaimer/"clarification".
May have mollified some, but didn't impress me or other forum-rats, since it still showed a complete lack of understanding of the problem. It was a variant of Romney's "staple a green card to every diploma" cluelessness. It isn't just IT body-shops vending the minimally-skilled. (Though it would be great if they were shut down and shipped out. Fat chance.) Universities are huge abusers of this system, which is also damaging opportunities for citizens, short- and long-term. I known a lot of H-1Bs over the years that we do want here. But this program reeks and needs to be scrapped and replaced.
No excuse for this, either - dude has Jeff 'effin Sessions on his team, so he ought to know better. Hope Sessions bitch-slaps him mercilessly over this.
Too bad everybody else is even worse on this issue.
"Most higher education is a scam -- the cost far exceeds the benefits. But courts protect law schools from these types of suits because courts have law school graduates. "
Yup. My alma mater made the LA Times this morning.
With a price tag of $51,442 for tuition and an additional $841 in fees, USC is sure to be in the running for the unofficial title of most expensive place in the country to get a college degree. According to U.S. News & World Report, Vassar College in New York won that honor for the current school year by charging $51,300 in tuition and fees. Even Harvard, that paragon of academic excellence, charges undergraduates a mere $45,278 in tuition and fees.
I went to SC in the late 50s and tuition ran on a per unit basis at $17. That totaled $272 a semester.
Trump is a liar. He promised us he would shoot a homeless veteran on Main Street to prove his supporters would never leave his camp. Instead, all he does is whip out his Johnson, wave it under MeGyn's nose, then bang it on the lectern like a gavel. That's just going to add to his throng.
He must mean a Third Party run, if says Trump reaches his Nader.
Give him time, give him time. Vulgarity must have something to do with Bulgaria, and Trump's dad and wife are from Slovenia nearby Bulgaria. The Donald has not yet begun to fight vulgar.
And he just skipped the CPAC demonstrated Walkout of his speech. The Really, really, I mean really, conservative, card carrying< Conservatives are going to have to Walk out on Glen Beck now.
Trump got schlonged by Cruz and Rubio in the debate.
Warning: Don't visualize that.
Chuck said... "The for-profit university model is actually a very interesting subject for true conservatives."
How so?
"And he just skipped the CPAC demonstrated Walkout of his speech."
Cruz did too.
For the last couple years the NYT has been playing whack-a-mole with Republican presidential candidates, bopping each one as soon as he or she seems to be getting a bit of traction with the public. The whole paper -- news pages as well as editorials and op-eds -- is so totally in the tank for HIllary that every bit of news is refracted as if through a lens in a fun-house mirror. It's getting a little old.
Because, Fabi, the traditional Ivy League, Public Ivy and Big State University system has become so imbued with left-wing values, and serves as such an institutional base for left-wing activism.
University "climate change" projects.
University "environmental law" clinics.
University "civil rights" initiatives and symposia.
Both Michigan State University and my (and Althouse's) alma mater the University of Michigan are involving themselves on several fronts in the Flint Water Crisis. A Wayne State University Law School faculty member is getting involved in litigation.
I've several times pointed to Justice Scalia's annoyed, persistent footnoting of the fact that the American Association of Law Schools (to which every law school desiring any status at all must join) made it a rule that if a firm was not welcoming to homosexuals, they could not come on to campus to interview. (It was on that basis that the military was barred from interviewing prospective JAGs; until congress passed a law on military recruitment on campus.)
To say nothing of the financial security base that university life provides to support grassroots activist leadership in the form of faculty members who can devote themselves to causes while they teach one course a year on the side.
Et cetera, et cetera.
An enterprise which competes with that institutional model holds considerable interest for conservatives. And we've seen the vituperation with which Obama Administration operatives have gone after for-profit institutions of higher ed.
Less than six months ago, the issue boiled up this way in a WSJ editorial:
http://www.wsj.com/articles/obamas-for-profit-stealth-attack-1445468149
At the same time; I am not a graduate of a for-profit. And I don't teach at one, nor do I have any interest in one. (I had some professional experience with course design at one; it was more than ten years ago.) I'm no advocate for the enterprise. And I am obviously a harsh critic of what I know about Trump University, to the extent that it can even be called a "for-profit university." Calling Trump University a "for profit" college that merits discussion within that general issue, is sort of like discussing John Dillinger as part of a discussion of banking regulation.
Trump University was never certified or chartered as a university, and never even tried to get that status as far as I know. Truck driving schools were a lot more regulated and certified than Trump University.
And again, that is why AReasonableMan's knee-jerk Trumpist reaction to lash out at Rubio and Romney for supposed connections with for-profit schools is so mendacious.
@Michael K
I went to SC in the late 50s and tuition ran on a per unit basis at $17. That totaled $272 a semester.
Even in the mid-80s, tuition at UCLA was still only $433/quarter (1,300/year). My friends and I could work 2 months during the summer at a restaurant or ice cream parlor for minimum wage ($4.00/hour), and still earn enough for a year's tuition.
Ahhh, the good old days -- no safe spaces, no mattress girls, and no student debt:) Thanks, Liberals!
Thanks, Chuck. I couldn't agree with you more. If I weren't replying on my phone, I'd add a few of my favorite links re: the situation.
"I am obviously a harsh critic of what I know about Trump University,"
I think that is a valid issue but will not get much traction. It is similar, I think, to Fred Thompson selling reverse mortgages, which are pretty much a scam. The people who signed up paid without student loans, which I think are a huge issue in non-profit colleges.
If stupidity were illegal, we would have no politicians.
Bay Area Guy -
... and no Title IX.
Title IX is another complicated subject. In 1976, when former Michigan football player Gerry Ford was in the White House, Michigan Senator Bob Griffin brought Bo Schembechler, Darrell Royal (Texas) and Barry Switzter (Oklahoma) to Washington to testify against a big expansion of Title IX. The NCAA used Michigan Athletic Director Don Canham to lobby his very good friend the President, to kill the legislation.
The football guys lost, to Republican moderates who were seeking to please women voters. And ever since, we see more and more how football (and now basketball) revenues are used to fund other nonrevenue sports. The football players are being used, not for anybody's "profit" as the left-wing activists like to argue; rather, they are being used to produce revenue, to support an ever-expanding enterprise of otherwise unsupportable women's athletics.
Who cares about Trump University? Who would go there?
Trump Ice, Trump Steaks, Trump Ties -- some made money, probably some lost money. On the whole, Trump made a lot of money.
Why even discuss this nonsense?
"an ever-expanding enterprise of otherwise unsupportable women's athletics."
Yes and the men's minor sports have been decimated.
Bay Area Guy:
I can't speak for anybody else, but the Trump University thing is a big deal to me, for the interest-value as much as the substance of the claims and defenses.
Did you know that you can see his deposition online? It's pretty fabulous, having Donald Trump under oath in a room with a court reporter. As someone whose job it is to take depositions, it's a lot of fun for me.
Check it out!
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/post-politics/wp/2016/03/03/what-trump-said-under-oath-about-the-trump-university-fraud-claims-just-weeks-ago/
It is very reminiscent of Trump's deposition in his failed defamation case against the author of Trump Nation. Who was sued, by Dr. Evi- er, Donald Trump, for $5 Billion, for supposedly lowballing Trump's purported net worth. And no, I am not making this up.
http://www.nationalreview.com/article/431575/donald-trump-tim-obrien-courtroom-story
And now Trump is pulling out of CPAC. Wont release taxes, won't reveal what he said to the Times. Wont go to CPAC.
"it was the kind of desperate argument you'd expect to hear from a child" Does he have any other kind of "argument"?
"Trump is losing me with his slow motion caving to Zuckerberg's master plan to ramp up H-1B visas" Why? If he has been consistent about one thing, it is about wanting more "wonderful productive" people to come in and about wanting to be "fair" to illegals. He has positioned himself as a pro-immigration touchback-amnesty advocate, with the wall thrown in to con his marks. Does he even stick to his once-upon-a-time deportation plank anymore? Does he even believe what "he" said on "his" website?
Bickel wrote:
The Democrats support Trump because they want to win in November.
(mccullough, "AReasonableMan"... all of them are party loyalists.)
Of course. Since when has reasonableman been a supporter of republicans? Suddenly he supports, of all people, Trump?
It doesn't pass the smell test.
The dems are always the one that say the republicans are racist (straight up). Even most republicans are saying Trumps statements on Mexicans are blanket statements and racist. But suddenly areasonableman is for THAT guy.
My ass.
chikelit wrote:
Trump is losing me with his slow motion caving to Zuckerberg's master plan to ramp up H-1B visas.
it wasn't that slow motion. Here's national review from October 2015:
http://www.nationalreview.com/article/426296/rubio-dissembles-immigration-trump-hearts-zuckerberg
"I’m in favor of people coming into this country legally. And you know what? They can have it anyway you want. You can call it visas, you can call it work permits, you can call it anything you want. . . . As far as Mark (zuckerberg) is concerned, as far as the visas are concerned, if we need people, they have — it’s fine. They have to come into this country legally. We have a country of borders. We have a country of laws. We have to obey the laws. It’s fine if they come in, but they have to come in legally.
"No excuse for this, either - dude has Jeff 'effin Sessions on his team, so he ought to know better. Hope Sessions bitch-slaps him mercilessly over this."
I'm sure Jeff just smacked himself, Homer simpson style. "D'oh!"
And I'll respond in Ralph fashion. "Ha Ha!"
Is someone suggesting that Trump University was not an Ivy League school?
jr565: And I'll respond in Ralph fashion. "Ha Ha!"
Nelson. Ralph is the guy Chuck the Cuckservative reminds everybody of.
What did you expect from the man with the orange face and small hands?
Shouldn't this post be titled, "How Trump lost me?"
We already know that Rubio has lost her. I guess we need to wait until October for the surprise.
Blogger Chuck said...
I was not aware of this, but it seems that Trump approached Megyn Kelly last night after that set of questions, and handed to her a piece of paper indicating that Trump University got an A rating from the Better Business Bureau.
Trump's gambit gets taken apart here:
http://therightscoop.com/yes-trump-lied-about-trump-universitys-better-business-bureau-rating/
Trump is lying. Megyn Kelly was right. Marco Rubio was right. Trump, who's now been involved in a civil fraud case and a nasty dispute with the former administrators of the "university," for a long enough time to absolutely know better, was clearly lying and spinning the story.
I'm not sure I understand what you're saying here.
In 2010, Trump University got a D- rating. In 2011 it got an A rating. Right now it doesn't have a rating.
According to your link, the proof that Trumps 2011 A rating is a lie, is that it doesn't currently have a rating on BBB.
And yet, wouldn't that make the D rating also a lie?
Seems pretty clear to me that Megyn Kelly pulled a Candy Crowley on Trump last night.
So Little Baby Satan wanted to run for President of the United States. He decided the best way to do this is to run as a Democrat. “Okay,” said Little Baby Satan, “I want to run as a Democrat.” But the Democrats said no way. “We already have two angry old white people. We don’t want any more!”
Little Baby Satan was hurt. “I’m a Democrat! What do you mean, you’ve got too many angry old white people? You can never have too many angry old white people! Angry old white people are the best!” But Bernie started jumping up and down. “You’re a billionaire! You’re a billionaire!” And Hillary started jumping up and down. “You’re a man! You’re a man!”
So Little Baby Satan was pacing back and forth in hell, really upset that he could not run for President of the United States. And then he had an epiphany. “Wait a minute! I could run as a Republican!”
Now, the Republican party is a Grand Old Party. And they had decided to run two nice young Hispanic men for the White House. They were groomed and clean cut. And everybody was happy and whistling.
And then Little Baby Satan showed up.
“Oh no!” cried the Republicans. “It’s Little Baby Satan! He’s ruining our party!”
But many Republicans liked the angry old white guy. He was different. He was unique. He was real. “I’m an angry old white guy!” said Little Baby Satan. “And I’m a billionaire! And I am superior to everybody up here. Marco should cut my grass. Ted should clean my swimming pool. I am superior and they need to bow down before me.”
Marco and Ted did not agree that they should bow down before Little Baby Satan. Marco began making fun of Little Baby Satan. He began to mock Little Baby Satan. And Little Baby Satan got redder, and redder, and redder.
Many of the fans of Little Baby Satan started to notice that he did not have white skin anymore. “What is going on with Little Baby Satan? He’s turning red right before our eyes.”
“This is ridiculous!” cried Little Baby Satan. “I am not an Indian! I am an angry old white man! How can you think I’m an Indian!” And he got redder and redder and redder. Boy he was mad.
But the people liked him anyway. “We do not like all this racial politics stuff. We want to vote for an angry old white man!” So they did.
Meanwhile, Marco and Ted still refuse to bow down before Little Baby Satan. “I am so rich and powerful!” cried Little Baby Satan. “Bow down before me!” And he was jumping up and down and cursing. And his face started to look like a tanning bed accident. “What is wrong with your face?” asked Marco.
“Nothing!” screamed Little Baby Satan. “I’m an angry old white man, that’s all!” And he jumped up and down and all around.
And then one day, two little horns popped up out of his head.
“Vote for me!” yelled Little Baby Satan. “Vote for me or I will sue you for everything you have! Bow down before me. I am Little Baby Satan.” But people weren’t really listening anymore. “What’s going on there on the top of your head?” asked Ted.
“Nothing!” yelled Little Baby Satan. “Go back to Mexico!”
“Cuba,” said Ted, in Spanish. “Coo-ba.”
And Little Baby Satan got madder and madder. "I'm angry and old and white! Vote for me!" And he decided to go to a plastic surgeon to get rid of his horns, and cut off his tail.
But he still had to go on the bottom of the ticket anyway.
The end.
eric I am afraid you are mistaking me for someone who has an interest in fair treatment of Donald Trump. I'm not your guy. I am interested in smearing him, hurting him and prejudicing people against him.
Since Trump seems to adhere to an anything-goes approach, I have adopted same.
I'll let FactCheck.org do the "fairness" thing:
http://www.factcheck.org/2016/03/trumps-defense-of-his-university/
Once upon a time, Trump University and/or the Trump Entrepreneur Initiative got an A rating from the Better Business Bureau. As well as a D- and other grades in between. Trump doesn't currently have an A rating, or any rating, since the whole enterprise is shut down. Being sued civilly by the New York State Attorney General, and two class action lawsuits.
As for anybody who wants to go the "fairness" route, I'll let them pick and choose from any of about 25 articles in the last 5 days about the Trump University litigation. There is just one thing about all of them that stands out. In every case, the one person who is the most injudicious, the most reckless and the least reliable -- and I include Donald J. Trump, Megyn Kelly, Attorney General Eric Schneiderman, the attorneys for the parties, and everyone in print media doing fact checks -- the one person who is the standout "spinner" of the story is Trump himself.
St. Croix wrote: ...So Little Baby Satan wanted to run for President of the United States...
My what a sanctimonious crux you've become.
Okay, I am demonizing Donald Trump. And you say, "That's wrong! That's wrong! He's not a demon, he's a man!"
Of course he's a man. I'm not saying he can't atone, or be better, or improve. He has a lot of good qualities, Donald Trump. Specifically I like his humor. It's his saving grace.
Also he forgives people. Like when his ex-wife accused him of rape? He shrugged it off. That impressed me. I wouldn't shrug that off! But he forgave her.
So there's a lot of goodness in Donald Trump. But his cynicism and his anger and his feeling of superiority, he needs to fix that. I have it too. What I did to him, he does to other people, all the time. Marco Rubio did it to him, too.
Maybe I should pray to God for Donald Trump to have his Damascus moment, where he is blinded and meets some real power.
Maybe I should pray to God for Donald Trump to have his Damascus moment, where he is blinded and meets some real power.
Like a Saul -> Paul moment, perhaps you'll have a Donald -> Ronald moment?
uh, he has to redeem himself, Chick
I'm not running for anything!
duh!
still think I'm "sanctimonious"?
@Saint Croix: I'm not sure about your certainty of Trump's redemptive status.
As for "sanctimonious" -- that was response to your comment in that (other) thread.
we're on that thread, I think!
Who wants to bet that Kelly would treat Hillary the same way she treats Trump? I might be wrong but I just don't get the sense she would. Imagine Kelly asking Hillary "Mrs. Clinton as President which department or agency would you be comfortable being run from the secretary's or director's personal email server?" I just don't see it happening.
I'm not sure about your certainty of Trump's redemptive status.
I'm not either!
When he told me he was a pro-lifer now, and why, I swear I believe him.
I've been burned by liars before on this. It's important to me.
A lot of pro-lifers used to be pro-choice. I get that. I was like that.
The problem I run into is that he is so glib and dismissive of his words in other contexts. I have trouble trusting him in this context. But I watched one of the clips where he talked about how he changed into a pro-lifer, and I swear it seems to me he is telling the truth.
he's an excellent salesman, isn't he?
Baby Satan/Baby Genius
And it's so weird that the old guy in the race is the childish one, while the two candidates who are younger than me are so serious and sincere. Marco Rubio is 44. Ted Cruz is 45.
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