The first sentence of a NYT editorial titled "In Houston, Hate Trumped Fairness."
The language is so extreme — "vilifying," "hate." It seems to me that the focus on access to women's bathrooms wasn't aimed at the transgender at all, but on males who might take advantage of a new opportunity to engage in voyeurism and sexual assault.
Elsewhere in the NYT, I see empathy for women who are sensitive and perhaps over-sensitive to matters involving their bodily privacy and safety and encouragement to men to become more sensitive.
Is this sensitivity supposed to shut off when a more treasured/trendy interest appears on the other side of the balance?
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A reasonable discussion of how the law should balance the rights of the transgendered with the rights of the majority is not well served with hysterical accusations of hatred.
A transgender kid may commit suicide if he/she is bullied, or if he/she is dealing with some serious issues as troubled kids often do. But kill themselves over a locker room policy? Give me a break!
They could, but won't, just as well replace "transgender" with "conservative" and "gender" with "political". But they won't, because that might make them think about their role in fostering that political culture.
Fortunately the NYT editorial board is filled with love and understanding for Texas conservatives and uses mild temperate language to gently criticize them. I read about the increase in self destructive behavior in middle-aged white males. The NYT would probably take responsibility - but they've been so kind and generous to that group that there couldn't be any connection.
The trannies in the bathroom thing was never more than symbolic--you are free to go into whichever bathroom you are dressed for because virtually no one will know and no one will challenge (so long as you pee sitting down in the ladies room, and even then maybe not...).
The only practical outcome of the legislation would have been to help pervs hang out in women's restrooms. That was a price the SJWs were willing to pay to advance their symbolism.
And do you think it's any coincidence that they published a headline that included Hate Trumped?
I'm glad you and Sailer read the NYT so I don't have to.
Most comments seem to be from or directed at males.
Why aren't the women heard from?
I once worked in a small office where some of the men sometimes would use the women's toilet if the men's was occupied until the boss's wife announced that doing so would henceforth be grounds for instant dismissal.
"Is this sensitivity supposed to shut off when a more treasured/trendy interest appears on the other side of the balance? "
Yes. Not just shut off, but buried deep, deep in the bowls of the earth, capped with stone and the site ringed with barbed wire.
Otherwise someone might not get a cake.
The problem with driving in Houston is always having to swerve to avoid all the dead bodies of the Transgender suicides lying in the road.
Female mayors: Houston 2, New York 0.
Lesbian mayors: Houston 1, New York 0.
The creation of gender dysphoria as a medical diagnosis has caused far more suicides than the mere inability of a biological male on female hormone therapy to pee and poop in a girl's restroom.
War on women- men. The SCOTUS Five needs to answer the Bat Signal from their Bat Cave and crush mere voters.
Oh, how the NYTs would love a good trans teen suicide to rally around. So far they've gotten their bullying suicides and their gay roommate suicide. So sad, but such a good way to gain awareness!
Headline you'll never see: "Sometime in the near future, a male college student will commit suicide because he'd been falsely accused of rape and his lying accuser was made a national hero"
Why should the hyperventilating on the editorial page surprise us? Sometimes the only difference between the New York Times and the London Daily Mail is the fonts.
So, the usual hysterical, self-righteous tripe we have all learned to love?
Most comments seem to be from or directed at males.
Why aren't the women heard from?
Because "progressive" women know their place in the hierarchy, and that their interests are less important. We've seen that over and over again.
If the kid is too sensitive to deal with the realities of life, then essentially it's Darwin in action anyway.
I would think a transgendered male would commit suicide as a result of waiting in line for the girls john.
Funny...suicide rates for Trans after surgery are insanely high.
Let a transgen teen pee on the floor in the NYT's women's room often enough and let's see what their next editorial says.
Hagar said...Most comments seem to be from or directed at males.
Why aren't the women heard from?
For transgendered women, or women who identify as men, they guys bathroom really isn't that functional or inviting.
As George Carlin pointed out, urinals are only 50% universal.
Can I play the NYTimes game?
"Sometime in the near future a female teenager in Texas will be sexually assaulted in a bathroom - because of an irrational policy shift to allow men & boys to use traditional women's restrooms for no valid reason other than to promote outlier transgender equity policies, which comprise .00001 of the population"
"Is this sensitivity supposed to shut off when a more treasured/trendy interest appears on the other side of the balance?"
The utopian, progressive view is that things must always get better; therefore, there can be no competing rights; therefore, today's rights are the rightest rights, and yesterday's utopian, progressive view never really existed anyway.
Why? Because "Who controls the past controls the future; who controls the present controls the past." Therfore "Oceania had always been at war with Eurasia." And, "We've always supported the right of men to use women's bathrooms."
Although there is perhaps a touch of schadenfreude here. After all, feminists have never respected men's space anywhere or for any purpose; why, then, should the rest of us now respect women's space? Especially when presented with this fine new opportunity to display one's moral virtue.
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Funny...suicide rates for Trans after surgery are insanely high.
Yeah. Everything I have read (which is admittedly limited, but not deliberately slanted one way or another) indicates that gender reassignment is one of the worst ways to treat gender dysphoria.
And yet it continues. Amazing, the way quackery goes unchecked and unchallenged, in it?
Did Robin Williams commit suicide because he was actually more comfortable dressed as Mrs. Doubtfire?
Somewhere in New York City, a Christian conservative teenager will attempt suicide because vilifying people for traditional values remains politically acceptable in New York.
It would be cool if someone on the left looked at the defeat of this HERO and say, "maybe we are trying to push things too far, and people want to see where things are going".
The "hate" is not aimed at trannies but rather outrage and frustration as leftist jackboots foist their gender-neutral dystopia on all of us, at all ages, in every corner of American life. We who were soft sold years ago on the whole "tolerance" Schtick see very clearly now that this will never stop, until all species of sexual revolutionaries are lifestyle subsidised and re cast as profiles in courage, rather than deviancy. We residents of Realville are just beginning to push back.
Prog elites take it as an article of faith that lbgt's suffer depression and suicide at higher rates because of society's disapprobation....but the tranny in our family is surrounded by love and concern, but remains a confused and disordered young adult. A sex change won't make that all better.
Q: If you call a tail a leg, how many legs does a dog have?
A: Four. Because calling a tail a leg does not make it a leg.
Little did Mr. Lincoln imagine that one day a dog could have as many (or as few) legs as it wants, just by saying so. And that you could call a man with a penis a woman.
Virgil Hilts, you're wrong about the TG movement. It's a political thing.
We are not talking about the maybe 1% of people who have gender issues (we used to call them personalities).
This is a political thing. The people talking about that weird acronym, LBGTQBWTF or whatever, are not doing it for personal gain. They are doing it for political power.
They're looking for some one to be Ahmed the Clock Boy for the Transgender movement.
I hope whoever takes them up on this invitation won't miscalculate and accidentally really kill themselves. Not that the NYT would care. Transphobia victim wanted dead or alive.
Reverse penis envy is a balancing act that is a half suicide in itself. The second half suicide often follows it. Blaming that on normal people is a specially bad joke.
Here's some nice Newspeak:
"Gender dysphoria is a mental condition but is not a mental disorder. However, it may be accompanied with severe impairment of social, occupational and other functioning."
Part of the DSM5 definition of mental disorder:
Mental disorders are usually associated with significant distress in social, occupational, or other important activities.
"if he/she is dealing with some serious issues as troubled kids often do."
The whole "transgender" thing is enabling a mental disorder and is bad enough. The invasion of girls, I don't care about adult women who can yell and call the cops, private space is creepy. These are left wing adults doing harm to children.
The gay rights movement may be reassessing their alliance with the trannies. It is doing them no good and is probably going to do a lot of harm to these "civil rights" issues as the trannies become more visible as in this case. What do gays have in common with trannies ?
Perhaps young women can be protected by Maremma dogs when going to the bathroom.
I am Laslo.
"Sometime in the near future..."
So, now the editorial board is secretly hoping a trans person will commit suicide to prove their point. I'm sure that if any trans person commits suicide it will be labeled as caused by this vote, just like every weather event is because of man-made global warming.
Well, I guess they've declared their priorities. I doubt that any voter in Houston cares about their priorities.
This has reached its peak and is about to fall. Flat on its face. Banana-peel political journalism.
It's not like women have no reason to fear men in public restrooms:
https://youtu.be/OgNGz2gXHHg
http://abc7news.com/news/police-investigate-report-of-sexual-assault-in-restroom/237776/
Restroom robberies are not that rare, but they usually occur in men's restrooms - because men can't generally enter the women's restrooms without being noticed and the standard now to avoid liability is to have video surveillance of the entries. I don't see why anyone with a grain of sense would support the Houston measure.
Usually, of course, it's just people having sex, but this does present a problem esp. when you have a child along.
Memo to NYTimes Editorial Board:
We don't hate Trannies. We actually have sympathy for them, believe they may have serious family issues, believe they may need quality medical treatment and/ or intervention. We are, however, starting to greatly dislike the NYTimes.
"It would have given people with disabilities, like Mr. Abbott, a paraplegic, a mechanism to fight employment or housing discrimination."
So disingenuous. By including 15 classes of people to help, it made it sound more appealing. There's this thing called the ADA, the act that has modified several times to make it more accommodating for the disabled, the last of which required me to lower bathroom mirrors another inch. This law wasn't about equal housing for people of color. It was all about LBGT et. al.
Lesbians and gay men are not natural allies.
That's a sad truth. But none dare speak of it outside of gay bars. The LGBTQJRHTEHJSG!WTF movement is based on the notion that we can join forces in advance of leftist causes.
Remember when the only thing you had to worry about in a public restroom was George Michael?
Innocent times.
I am Laslo.
Yeah. Everything I have read (which is admittedly limited, but not deliberately slanted one way or another) indicates that gender reassignment is one of the worst ways to treat gender dysphoria.
And yet it continues. Amazing, the way quackery goes unchecked and unchallenged, in it?
Why nobody loses a license for maiming somebody who is mentally ill is lost on me. And why parents who give their young children hormones to "prevent" puberty aren't rung up on child abuse charges is also baffling. This is abject cruelty to people who desperately need help.
We've seen how gay marriages "won't affect you" in spades. Lessons do get learned in some of the population.
If you dress as a woman and go to the women's restroom, nobody will notice anyway as they don't check for your genitals when you enter the door.
At least I don't think they do. I had to clean women's restrooms once (those places are beyond vile) but I've never used one. Maybe women do a labia check when you come in.
Lesbians and gay men are not natural allies.
Milo Yiannopoulos makes a great argument that gay men and feminists overall have virtually nothing in common and gay men owe the feminist movement nothing.
"The gay rights movement may be reassessing their alliance with the trannies. It is doing them no good and is probably going to do a lot of harm to these "civil rights" issues as the trannies become more visible as in this case. What do gays have in common with trannies ?"
What they have in common is being a once-marginalized group--it wasn't long ago that gays were seen as having mental disorders and suffered discrimination as a result. But I think the trans movement is a bit different, particularly when we're talking about children at a vulnerable age where they are questioning a lot of things about themselves and probably need counsel and support but not necessarily for society to enable what in many cases could be harmful behavior. If I had a gay child, for example, I'd make sure to convey that s/he has my support and understanding, but if I had a child who thought s/he needed a sex change I wouldn't be all "terrific, let's get that done!" We need to consider whether what we're doing could be more harmful for the trans kids.
And of course there's the rights of the non-trans kids. If you have a right to a locker room free of boys (or girls) then it's not exactly fair to allow in girls (or boys) simply because they claim to identify with your gender. Particularly as there really is no bright line rule for someone to identify as another gender.
Is there any doubt that the "gender identity" whose vilification is most "politically acceptable" across the media spectrum is that of the traditional, biological male?
"If you dress as a woman and go to the women's restroom, nobody will notice anyway as they don't check for your genitals when you enter the door."
Sometimes they notice your erection.
Depends on how tight the dress is.
I am Laslo.
Is this sensitivity supposed to shut off when a more treasured/trendy interest appears on the other side of the balance?
Why not? It does when it comes to homosexuality and the religious.
To paraphrase Lance Armstrong, its not about the potty.
Coprophiliac men in the Ladies Room, forcibly removing women from the stalls before they have the chance to flush.
Notice the NYT doesn't mention THAT.
I am Laslo.
For Coprophiliac men the Ladies Room is the Promised Land, and now we are opening the door.
Don't say you weren't warned.
I am Laslo.
I wonder how NAMBLA came down on this bathroom issue.
"The Houston Equal Rights Ordinance, or HERO, which the City Council passed 18 months ago, established sensible protections from discrimination for 15 classes of people."
Someday a New York Times editor may commit suicide when challenged to explain why only 15 classes of people deserve sensible protections from discrimination.
It isn't about .3% of the population, if that high. Although mentally ill people do have a tendency to gravitate to the current societal and cultural cathexis, so the number may be climbing, it's about destroying the values of modesty and chastity. Those really have to go as they are tools of the patriarchy!
@ Laslo
The coprophiliacs opposed this initiative because, "Ew! This is dude poop. Yuck."
How are they determining that people are killing themselves because they are being vilified for their gender? If you are suffering from dysphoria over your gender you have a higher probability of suicide simply because you are suffering from dysphoria.
Even if you are in a vacuum and get nothing but positive reinforcement.
And what vilification? Saying you are your biological sex is not "vilification" its stating a fact. This is one of those cases, often found on the left, where the disagreement with the stated principle is itself the vilification.
So, if a feminist said there is a glass ceiling for women and you counter that there really isn't, that itself is sexist. Disagreeing with the conclusions drawn becomes hate speech.
So I question whether people are even being vilified, so much as being told that mens bathrooms are for men.
1. A surgical removal of the male organs will resolve the "problem" in "female rooms".
2. If, and only if, being trans-gendered is a genetic matter, then suicide will improve the human genome.
Dude, this is a trend.
It's not a reality or a biological thing.
It's a meme. Get with it, dude.
Democrat old and hot: A chicken in every pot!
Democrat new and hot: A freak in every bathroom!
Every man is a potential rapist unless he raises his hand and says he's a woman.
I now live in SE Texas, 80 miles east of Houston. One should read the comments on the local news Facebook postings on this subject. Many, and I mean more than 50%, basically boil down to "Transgender" = "Child Molester" and "Pervert". And that there are legions of perverted paedophiles (men and transgenders) just waiting for this ordinance to be upheld so they can have free reign raping and molesting children in the bathroom. I'm not making this stuff up, it's very sickening to read and sad.
You can tell if the man leaving the Ladies Room is a Coprophiliac by his shit-eating grin.
I am Laslo.
"Is this sensitivity supposed to shut off"
Faux question, right?
Just Progs doing their thing, ma'am.
"I wonder how NAMBLA came down on this bathroom issue."
They are in line waiting for the barriers to come down a bit more. They know what they want.
I mean more than 50%, basically boil down to "Transgender" = "Child Molester" and "Pervert".
Care to share some quotes?
Is there some way to accurately determine who is transgender and who is not so that we are certain that no rapists or child molesters falsely claim transgender status for access to a private space where women are vulnerable and that only genuinely transgender people will take advantage of a law like this?
The issue isn't "transgenders" it's "men."
Do Coprophiliacs come into Politically Correct Normalcy before or after Pedophiles?
I'm sure there is a list.
I am Laslo.
Hello NYT. Restrooms are segregated by sex, not gender.
The slippery slope is a logical fallacy.
This will never happen.
"K in Colorado" might be reading the comments correctly, but I would bet the interpretation is mangled as hell.
The issue is that some men would lie about their orientation to gain access to areas in which girls and women are largely unprotected.
And living 80 miles EAST of Houston is a real trick. Do you have WiFi on your oil derrick?
I'm not sure what the downside of sexual deviants committing suicide is.
It all makes sense if you assume the underlying hostility is toward heteronormative males.
Hey, Birkel, Texas is a big place. Really, really big. Maybe that's hard to imagine where you live. Try thinking Alaska, or Canada, or Russia.
And living 80 miles EAST of Houston is a real trick. Do you have WiFi on your oil derrick?
Uh, Birkel, you may want to look at a map. Houston is not Brownsville.
If you're gonna troll from Texas, it's a good idea not to have 'in Colorado' as part of your moniker and not to have your fictional residence in the Gulf of Mexico. Your concern is duly noted, though.
...and really, now I'm supposed to be a "heteronormative male"? That's my identity? Am I supposed to get a sign and walk around with it?
Transgender women are 18 times more likely to have been convicted of a violent crime than women.
http://journals.plos.org/plosone/article?id=10.1371/journal.pone.0016885
And that's just the convictions.
Even so, the real concern isn't with genuine transgenders, but with sexual predators who would use unfettered access to women's restrooms and locker room/shower facilities to feed their fetishes and victimize women and girls.
Don't know about "legions." But when the stakes are this high it's sure as hell a non-trivial number.
The clowns are running the circus.
The man who allegedly raped a woman in the restroom of a Flatiron District bar last weekend is a serial sex fiend who got out of prison two months ago after doing more than 20 years for other rapes, law enforcement sources said.
Rodney Stover was nabbed Wednesday when he brazenly walked past the scene of the bar rape and was spotted by the pub owner.
He is accused of surprising a 23-year-old woman Saturday in the basement restroom at the Turnmill pub on East 27th Street, pushing her into a stall at about 7:50 p.m. and raping her.
Stover, 48, is classified as a Level 3 sex offender, the most serious designation assigned in the criminal justice system.
http://nypost.com/2015/04/15/vagrant-arrested-in-horrific-bar-bathroom-rape/
Of course that's the Post and not the Times, and in this political environment, every statement of fact becomes a question of motive.
ENE is a possibility, guys. Not East.
I'm so glad that the NYT is ready to dance on graves if necessary.
I guess they lost hope that some other Adam Lanza character would shoot up another school full of preschoolers....
https://outofmypantiesnow.wordpress.com/2013/10/28/when-is-90-not-substantially-all/
A list of links to news stories involving transgender and crossdresser crimes, including a large number of attacks on women and girls in restrooms and locker rooms.
And let's note that not getting your way is an acceptable reason for suicide. Talk about Paternalism...it's disgusting.
"I now live in SE Texas, 80 miles east of Houston. One should read the comments on the local news Facebook postings on this subject. Many, and I mean more than 50%, basically boil down to "Transgender" = "Child Molester" and "Pervert". And that there are legions of perverted paedophiles (men and transgenders) just waiting for this ordinance to be upheld so they can have free reign raping and molesting children in the bathroom. I'm not making this stuff up, it's very sickening to read and sad."
I can't account for the bigotry of some people who clearly are revealing more about themselves than they are about the people they rail against. The transgendered should not be bullied or stigmatized, and I think we have more to worry about from those who seem normal but stay under the radar than we do some out and open transgendered person (seriously, if you were planning to molest someone, would you be dumb enough to draw attention to yourself and think by getting rights to use another gender's bathroom that that's a smart strategy? I don't know the mind of the pervert, but anyone that foolish is probably not the one we should be worried about).
But at the same time we should be considering (certainly in the case of children who think they are transgendered) whether encouraging this is unhealthy and what is the appropriate way to help them. I remember those teen and pre-teen years being rough enough without wondering if I was really meant to be a woman. And the other issue is where one's right to use a certain lockerroom/bathroom conflicts with another's right to a single-gender lockeroom/bathroom. This can be hashed out without getting nasty, or automatically assuming everyone on the other side of it has evil intentions (whether we're talking about the transgendered or those opposed to giving the transgendered what they want).
Fabi - ROFL - you made my day - chuckle. Trolling - I didn't make any statement as to what I thought about that vote. I was talking about the people that were equating transgender with child molester and worse. And check a map to see what TX geography is like before spouting your ignorance. And it's a warm 81 here, except rain is coming in, late tonight and tomorrow. And neither my mortgage company nor my bank account think my monthly house payment is fictional.
Abortion, cannibalism, diversity, promiscuity, and transgenderism... They are sincerely committed to normalizing dysphoria.
Goldberg let the cat out of the bag when she defended Polanski as committing rape, but not rape-rape of a child. The progressive dysfunction, progressive corruption, and rape culture was created by the pro-choice cult.
"And let's note that not getting your way is an acceptable reason for suicide. Talk about Paternalism...it's disgusting."
I think it's as simple as "I'm going to blame your disagreement with me on some tragedy that likely isn't related, so you feel bad about your stance". Just part of the modern political game.
It's incredible, really. For the last few years I've watched as the public changed rapidly and cultural views on homosexuality became more like my own. Now attention is turning to transgender issues. I simply do not understand the desire to elevate what could be called a mental illness (extreme body dysmorphic disorder) to something like sexual orientation. I guess a few years ago you could say I had liberal or progressive views on LGBT issues - minus the T, perhaps - but because of my views on transgender issues I am now a reactionary square.
Honestly, why would a gay person want to be associated with people who are so messed up in the head that they mutilate their own genitalia and take hormones to pretend to be something they aren't?
"Goldberg let the cat out of the bag when she defended Polanski as committing rape, but not rape-rape of a child. The progressive dysfunction, progressive corruption, and rape culture was created by the pro-choice cult."
Oh, they oppose rape sometimes. Only when it's committed by privileged white men who don't fit into any of their victim boxes. Or if the privileged white men are on Team Blue--Clinton and Polanski get a pass of course, they play for the right team.
K in Colorado comes back to correct errors, but she has no examples of facebook friends accusing transgendereds of being rapists.
Men in bathrooms though, Here's one from Houston a couple of weeks ago.
Houston-area police are looking for a man who raped a 12-year-old girl in a CVS bathroom on October 16.
The attack happened at about 2pm on October 16, according to Detective Michael Kelly. He says surveillance video from the CVS at Bellaire and Stella Link shows a man in his 20s briefly walk inside the store, and then leave. Minutes later, the 12-year-old victim entered the store following her mother and grandmother. Police say the girl went off by herself. The man entered again and quickly approached the girl. "They went off into a corner and there were times when he was not fully clothed," said Kelly.
Kelly tells Eyewitness News the man coaxed the girl then into the women's restroom where they allegedly had sex. "She was not necessarily all that unwilling, but at the age of 12 it doesn't matter," said Kelly.
I don't think anybody has suggested the rapist was transgendered.
My wife and I tipped off the police about a close family friend whom we found out was a paedophile and had been molesting her daughters best friend for years. That paedophile is now in prison serving a lengthy sentence - she was a school teacher and big church person. Most molesters are going to a family member, or family acquaintance, a teacher, or a clergy person, and will take time to develop trust and use shame and secrecy to keep the victim quiet. So, you're not going to have men (or women) waiting for something like this to run into a public restroom to molest a child. And if you have to harp on "80 miles east" , then you have nothing of substance to say and must rely on "shut up" tactics.
Many of those good church people currently adding their voices to the transgender issue are the same ones that still won't speak to us because we embarrassed the private church school where this teacher was at. And they blame us for sending this "good Christian woman" who's good works should have out weighed her years of abuse and her felony counts. The "don't say anything" attitude that let Jerry Sandusky get away with molesting several boys is still alive and well.
I, luckily, have never come across people having sex in a public restroom. I like to think that if I did, I would start a fire in the trashcan and leave.
If HERO passed, no one would have the right to ask a man loitering in a women's restroom to leave. Venue owners and managers would have to wait until AFTER someone was violated to take action. They could not do anything to prevent it. If they tried they would face fines and lawsuits.
An adult woman might be able to raise a ruckus if attacked. A 5-15 year old girl walking into a restroom by herself would be rolling the dice. The adult woman who just left the restroom would have no way to get the crossdressing creep hanging out by the door out of there.
Because to Hell with children, right, libs?
A reasonable discussion of how the law should balance the rights of the transgendered with the rights of the majority is not well served with hysterical accusations of hatred.
The NYT couldn't give two shits about the rights of anyone but their allied aggrieved groups. That bird cage liner is nothing but a sanctimonious commie rag, and should be regarded as such.
So your little girl could be using the same restroom with a grown man?! Let's weigh the "fairness" of outlawing discrimination against an "epidemic" of sexual predators, pedophiles, sex trafficking, etc.
Preposterous.
This is one example of many - and I'm a "him" not a "her" and I'm a biological male. I don't need to post any more examples for the "prove it, I dare you" crowd
So, you're not going to have men (or women) waiting for something like this to run into a public restroom to molest a child
Actually, dumbass, I just posted a lengthy list of news reports of precisely such incidents.
"Amazing, the way quackery goes unchecked and unchallenged, in it?"
By 2030, people will be talking about sexual reassignment surgery in the same way that we talk about frontal lobotomies now.
"Honestly, why would a gay person want to be associated with people who are so messed up in the head that they mutilate their own genitalia and take hormones to pretend to be something they aren't?"
This baffles me as well. Why was the T ever included with the LGB? Because all gay men want to be woman? It's like some 1950's stereotype of gay men as drag queens.
Still studiously avoiding the question then K?
How are we supposed to know that a person who is genetically and physically male is actually a transgendered woman? Is there some kind of psychological test at the door? No. All a man has to do is say "On my honor I'm a woman."
How is that accusing a transgendered person of being a child molester or a rapist? It is about keeping men, who, believe it or not are known to lie, out of a situation where a woman is in a vulnerable position, physically inferior, and perhaps with her panties already around her ankle.
But now I see you have an ax to grind with religion which is based on some other issue you have and has nothing to do with the pretext of your post.
T has a problem with LBG. And where does Q differ from G?
They want it to be a strife for rights. It's not.
It's a coalition, and a pretty bad one.
This is one example of many - and I'm a "him" not a "her" and I'm a biological male. I don't need to post any more examples for the "prove it, I dare you" crowd
You haven't posted even on example of somebody calling transgendered a rapist or a child molester. I think your level of reading comprehension probably limits any chance of engaging you in an honest conversation though.
K in Colorado. So, you're not going to have men (or women) waiting for something like this to run into a public restroom to molest a child.
http://www.nbcsandiego.com/news/local/Big-lots-sexual-assault-gregory-philip-Schwartz-san-diego-248669861.html Lulz.
http://www.patriotledger.com/article/20150724/NEWS/150727746 Idiot.
http://www.chron.com/news/houston-texas/houston/article/Man-at-large-who-lured-12-year-old-into-CVS-6610122.php Twit.
http://nypost.com/2015/04/14/woman-attacked-raped-in-bathroom-of-gramercy-bar/ Moron.
I could go on all day.
Let's weigh the "fairness" of outlawing discrimination against an "epidemic" of sexual predators, pedophiles, sex trafficking, etc. -- K in Colorado
So he's in the "if you want to make an omelette, you are going to have to break some eggs" school of politics.
Which is it? Rape culture or rape paranoia? Why not both? Doublethink! It's a thing!
Here are some tweets from girls in a high school, about how they feel about it....https://www.facebook.com/TheCJPearson/photos/a.834437446591740.1073741828.834027803299371/927559263946224/?type=3&theater
The same libtards who think college age men need to be forced into mandatory classes and workshops to be taught not to rape are A-OK with letting these same men hang out in women's restrooms until someone suitably vulnerable walks in at the wrong time.
Their stupidity knows no limit.
Honestly, why would a gay person want to be associated with people who are so messed up in the head that they mutilate their own genitalia and take hormones to pretend to be something they aren't?
Here's the logic: if they go after TG's, calling them mentally ill, it's a short step to calling homosexuality a mental illness. It's twisted logic, but logical nonetheless.
boys who think they're girls are going to commit suicide because they're fucking lunatics, not because some ballot referendum in Houston lost.
"Sometime in the near future a female teenager in Texas will falsely claim they were sexually assaulted in a bathroom"
FIFY
What's ironic is all the "flyover state" bigotry directed at Texas by people who claim bigotry is wrong.
I'll start caring about LGBT rights when they start caring about mine.
Sorry if I was a little pedantic on the E v. ENE coordinates, Colorado -- not an issue of ignorance -- as I've spent way too much time in Houston.
Is this sensitivity supposed to shut off when a more treasured/trendy interest appears on the other side of the balance?
If you have to ask, then you just don't get it lady.
Homosexual orientation is a subset of transgenderism. The difference is, apparently, that homosexual orientation is "stable", and does not predispose an individual to suffer dysphoria. It does, however, lead to an assortment of other unhealthy, unnatural behaviors, including rectal sex, biological infertility (compensated by surrogate wombs and sperm donors), etc.
The push to construct congruences is based on what may be a sincere belief that normalization will compensate for biological and mental dysfunction. This is the faith that backs normalization of other transgender behaviors, including crossgenderism, which overlaps and converges with the pro-choice class that backed normalization of elective abortion.
this situation really isn't so difficult, but people get bogged down on pedophilia and molestation and rape. The fact is that if you're born a male, then you're a male and if you're born a female you're a female. Chromosomes don't lie and all the hormones and amputations in the world don't change those basic FACTS.
This referendum lost not simply for these violence concerns, though that is a slight part of it, but for fact that girls don't want to share a bathroom or locker room with adolescent boys or grown men. PERIOD. And they shouldn't be forced to. If that offends the sensibilities of the NYT or Houston's lesbian mayor, then tough fucking shit. Not every perversion of basic human behavior or having a psychological disorder doesn't make one "normal" and trying to force people to agree with or accommodate something they innately know is WRONG is itself, wrong.
And it's time for these LGBTBBQWTFGTFO folks (and the left in general) stop confusing with word "hate" with "disagree". People disagree with these perverted lifestyles and personal choices. People disagree that gay marriage is good for society or worth of state recognition just like people don't want to be forced to accept that a mentally ill man is really a woman because he had some surgery and a brain dead leftists indulge his delusion. What this really shows that their ideas cannot be defended using logic and reason. They're only play is to force opponents to shut up and the main way they do that is by name-calling. That's the #1 play in the playbook but it is tired and steadily losing its effectiveness.
why would a gay person want to be associated with people who are so messed up in the head that they mutilate their own genitalia and take hormones to pretend to be something they aren't?
I think this may be occurring to some gays who have been accepting the "T" in LGBT for a while now.
"Homosexual orientation is a subset of transgenderism."
This is nonsense. Homosexuality is variant of normal sexual urges, in males often as a result of the unavailability of women.
"Transgender" is a variant of mental illness and often results in self destructive behavior. The Johns Hopkins clinic closed because of the number of cases in which the subjects of "sexual reassignment surgery" wished to be changed back to the original anatomy.
Brando:
"they play for the right team"
That and if it doesn't happen in their backyard (e.g. disruptive "green" technologies) or if it benefits them personally (e.g. democratic leverage from excessive and illegal immigration, high population densities). The pro-choice doctrine is constructed on a principle of deferment.
Homosexuality is variant of normal sexual urges
Male sexual relations with men, and female sexual relations with women, are by definition transgendered. They are neither normal sexual urges nor do they promote evolutionary fitness. The difference between homosexual and crossgendered orientation is, apparently, that the latter orientation reflects an unstable mental condition and predisposes the individual to a dysphoric mental state.
"The issue isn't "transgenders" it's "men."
Men, in what sense? Man as biological definition or man as social construct. Because that would include many women.
You are now describing two groups, which have different members.
Going from Oriental to Asian, may be more politically correct, but its also a lot more vague. Which asianer is one referring to? Asia is a huge continent.
This is one of the problems with separating gender from sex and saying its a different definition than what it previously meant, but keeping all the same words which now mean two separate things.
Real American:
The sex of a human being is binary, immutable and determined exclusively by their genotype. However, gender is a soft classification, characterized by the dual concepts of roles (e.g. procreation, vocation) and orientation (e.g. perception, preference). In a normal state, gender roles are partially malleable, while orientation is fixed. In a pro-choice state, both concepts are malleable, but notable selective (i.e. inconsistent or unprincipled).
The issue of merit for a society that recognizes both individual dignity and intrinsic value, is the reconciliation of moral principles and natural imperatives in order to classify behaviors (i.e. expressive, causative) for promotion of fitness and stability while minimizing or mitigating corruption and dysfunction.
Constructing congruences that mask the hypocritical nature of [class] diversity, "=", "clumps of cells", etc. are opportunistic improvisations that avoid reconciliation.
Is this sensitivity supposed to shut off when a more treasured/trendy interest appears on the other side of the balance?
Obviously.
Well, I am sure that somewhere a tranny kid will be encouraged to try based on the NYT suggestion. There are 700,000 people in the US who identify as transgendered. Surely one will cooperate with the Times.
And as best as I can tell, there is nothing in the laws of Houston Texas to keep transgendered people from going to the bathroom.
It all makes sense if you assume the underlying hostility is toward heteronormative males.
"Normal" works just fine. If 95+% of a group is covered by it, then it is the norm. All others are outliers.
And let's note that not getting your way is an acceptable reason for suicide.
A child saying "I'll hold my breath until you do this" is apparently a terrifying threat to these writers.
I'd love to win the lottery. If I kill myself when I don't, it's not really the lottery's fault.
But at the same time we should be considering (certainly in the case of children who think they are transgendered) whether encouraging this is unhealthy and what is the appropriate way to help them. I remember those teen and pre-teen years being rough enough without wondering if I was really meant to be a woman. And the other issue is where one's right to use a certain lockerroom/bathroom conflicts with another's right to a single-gender lockeroom/bathroom. This can be hashed out without getting nasty, or automatically assuming everyone on the other side of it has evil intentions (whether we're talking about the transgendered or those opposed to giving the transgendered what they want).
I assume the worst because it has happened repeatedly. Again, we were told that gay marriage wouldn't affect anybody --- then see bakers fined heavily for not participating. It's a Pandora's Box I refuse to open further.
As far as the young --- why the hell have are "elite intelligentsia" decided to so brutally formalize gender roles? They decry labeling things as "for girls" or "for boys", but will hack up genitalia? Why can a girl not be a tomboy? Why can a boy not have some effeminate traits (my youngest son loves "Frozen". He's not a girl. He just thinks Olaf is funny)? Why must a guy who doesn't like football be told that he's basically a girl and should slice his cock off?
Because when he realizes that things are no better afterwards...it's not going to be rough since you can't easily correct that.
Gays don't like each other-let alone L's and T's and Q's.
Twinks and Bears hate each other.
Actually most everyone hates twinks.
Masc hate fem
Muscles only like other muscles.
Twinks hate muscles.
Otters like Bears....
"Is this sensitivity supposed to shut off when a more treasured/trendy interest appears on the other side of the balance?"
Absolutely! If my high school age granddaughter is offended by the woodies sprouted by her "transgendered" classmates in the girls locker room, she just needs to man up - so to speak - about it. Right?
(And Caitlyn's kids are proof that Ts get woodies, are they not?)
It's like arguing with a crazy person. You can't win.
I remember in the 70s and 80s people like Anita Bryant and Phyllis Schlafly were saying the next stop after women's lib and gay rights was enforced shared unisex bathrooms. How they were shunned and mocked for suggesting something so obviously ludicrous!
Looking through FB reactions, reactions by the liberal press & talk show hosts, I find it interesting that NONE of them will entertain the idea that they don't have a lot of credibility left with the public on topics of accommodating sexual differences.
The attacks by gay rights advocates on non-compliant merchants, and, most especially I think, the force-feeding by the media of just how wonderful Bruce/Caitlin Jenner is, have now led many folks to question just how sane some of the the gender-benders really are.
"Unintended consequences? Why would you think what we're proposing is going to have unintended consequences?"
How will they explain it when (inevitably) a transgender teen commits suicide in New York?
It's like arguing with a crazy person. You can't win.
The problem is that our society is now crazy. How do you argue with society?
Greg Hlatky said...
Female mayors: Houston 2, New York 0.
Lesbian mayors: Houston 1, New York
Male homosexual mayors: who the hell knows?
I wonder if their heads would explode if Niiki Haley came out?
wenbrobar said...
Here are some tweets from girls in a high school, about how they feel about
What they think does not matter. That's the point.
Many, and I mean more than 50%, basically boil down to "Transgender" = "Child Molester" and "Pervert". And that there are legions of perverted paedophiles (men and transgenders) just waiting for this ordinance to be upheld so they can have free reign raping and molesting children in the bathroom. I'm not making this stuff up, it's very sickening to read and sad.
Is it your position that pedophiles won't use the opportunity to prey on their victims?
You know what is sickening and sad? The fact that young girls are being forced to share locker rooms with sick boys who are being enabled in their sickness.
why the hell have are "elite intelligentsia" decided to so brutally formalize gender roles
Too many labels. Also profit and leverage. No different from the motives that earned a call for "Separation of Church and State", but they intend to establish their own Church. Cult, really.
"They are neither normal sexual urges nor do they promote evolutionary fitness."
That's why I called them variants. They are seen in overcrowded rat colonies and are common in societies, like the Arabs and in prisons, where women are unavailable. In classical Athens, women were kept in harems every bit as isolated as Saudi Arabia. In that society, and in Thebes, young men had sexual relationships with older men and then, as they reached adulthood, they married and had their own children. The Ephebe relationship often changed with adult men as a military exercise, especially in Thebes, and there was some homosexual aspect especially on campaigns where the men were gone from home.
Homosexuality is rampant in Muslim society. It is young men who have no access to women. It is especially notorious in Afghanistan.
I just finished watching Borgen, a Danish TV drama series about politicians. There are several scenes with male and female characters chatting away in unisex bathrooms, as if it were the most natural thing ever. Don't know if that reflects actual practice in Denmark, or if it was just one more effort by our betters to instruct us on the right path. Got a feeling it's the latter.
"Homosexuality is rampant in Muslim society."
I know that's a fact from having lived and worked in Malaysia. What's more, they'll all tell you they're straight. And some of those straight Muslim guys are world-class experts in fellatiation, let me tell you.
"experts in fellatiation, let me tell you."
I won't ask. Just kidding.
Non-Leftists are killers. They kill LGBTQ? kids, the NYTimes confirms it. Shame, shame, shame non-Leftists. Really, there oughta be a law; we MUST protect future hypothetical LGBTQ? children from the harm biased non-Leftits will make them do to themselves, those poor kids are all too vulnerable.
I mean, maybe we can't criminalize being a non-Leftist right now, but we ought at least to start building the reeducation camps. Think of the children! Well, no, I mean think of SOME of the children, just of the hypothetical future LGBTQ? children (not the hypothetical non-LGBTQ? children whom this policy might make worse off/harm). Some animals are more equal than others, after all.
Hey, remember the discussion we had just a few days ago about how the Right uses ridiculous scare tactics (hypothetical threats of future bad outcomes if you don't agree with them) to get their way politically? I do.
Hey maybe the elevated rate of Transgender suicide is related to mental illness and not outside pressure or bullying.
Johns Hopkins doesn't do transgender reassignment surgery anymore because they found a 20x increase in suicide for surgery patients compared with patients who got counseling for "body dimorphism" disorders.
Not to say that people who want different fiddly bits down there are wrong in any way, just saying that the science is settled on what works best for those people.
You don't want to be anti-science, do you?
Science schmience! There are billable hours to be had in surgical intervention and the creation of new legally protected classes!
I'm from Houston. It may be of interest to know that all but one of the voting precincts voted against proposition one. Sixty-three percent of voters voted no. And here's the thing. Nobody's from Houston! Everyone is from somewhere else. Seldom will you meet a native born Houstonian. Houston has a huge Hispanic population; a great number of whom are un documented. And it has the fourth largest Asian population in the U.S. And so the NYT believes it can look into the hearts and souls of this racially and geographically diverse people and find a common denominator: hate? I don't think so.
"How will they explain it when (inevitably) a transgender teen commits suicide in New York?"
They will still blame it on the haters in Houston.
There are way more dwarfs and midgets in the US than transgenders. About twice as many.
Do you think that we should revamp the risers on staircases to make their ascension and descent of stairways more just? Toilet heights?
I think that progs hate the little people.
Mary, I was responding to the NYT editorial labeling the collective vote of an overwhelming majority of Houstonians, who, as I pointed out, are not a bunch of 'Texas Goobers' so much as a melting pot of Americans, as 'Haters'. So you, in your infinite wisdom, label us as fearful and ignorant. My answer is the same.
Liberals are always projecting their own fear, bigotry and ignorance on normal Americans. It's an awful habit.
blame it on the haters in Houston
Don't be so certain. After the Democrat base voted against normalization of transgender/homosexual marriages, and a transgender/homosexual judge subsequently overruled their democratic will, the pro-choice/"=" activists came to Salt Lake City and started projecting their bigotry on the Mormon population.
The reason the proposed ordinance was rejected, at least the the openly expressed reason, was women's privacy. It wasn't so very long ago that women's privacy trumped a baby's right to life. When did women's right to privacy fade to insignificance against the remote possibility some drag queen would pull a hissy fit and off itself? And if that is indeed the case why is a near-term baby less entitled than a mentally disturbed adult?
I live in Houston. This never had any chance of being passed. It was a purely political maneuver by our lesbian mayor to bring more attention to the LGBT. Guess the NYT and others getting their panties in a twist over its failure is their only consolation.
I notice no one here has stepped up to avoid the Coprophiliac Menace.
Shit.
I am Laslo.
We do everything we can to avoid you Lazlo.
Quaestor:
Nice juxtaposition: normalize mentally disturbed adults and reject (i.e. abort, cannibalize) [wholly innocent] near-term babies. The pro-choice cult and psychiatric "consensus" have an irreconcilable problem with their religious/moral and ethical codes. I would note their bigotry, but selective principles are, in principle, a get out of hypocrisy card.
The Castro Bros and The Flying Nun hardest hit: link.
'The gay rights movement might be reconsidering their alliance with the transgendered community.' (or something to that effect)
This "alliance" was not the gay movement joining forces with the transgendered, but rather the transgendered allying themselves to the gay rights movement once the concept of gay rights began to have traction. The interjection by the transgendered into the long, persistent lobbying efforts of the gay rights movement, just as those were starting to have positive effects, actually slowed down the gay rights movement significantly.
Not noted in the Times I guess is that Houston is 24% black, 44% Hispanic, and only 25% white. Obama carried Houston twice. They have a lesbian mayor. So, where are all the red- neck transphobes? Did the dead vote? That is usually a Democrat demographic.
"chickelit said...
The Castro Bros and The Flying Nun hardest hit: link."
Hillary backed the ordinance too.
http://www.breitbart.com/big-government/2015/11/04/hillary-spars-with-texas-governor-over-houstons-refusal-to-allow-men-in-ladies-rooms/?utm_source=facebook&utm_medium=social
Greg Hlatky, I think actually the score is:
Lesbian Mayors: Houston 2 New York 0
Also, 2015 Wildcard Wins: Houston 1. New York 0
BTW, I'm from Houston. I don't hate Transgenders. I do hate the New York Times.
If a Transgender is also a Lesbian, when she has sex, how does it work? (that was a rhetorical question).
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