"He said there is going to be retribution like ISIS hasn't seen," said Republican Rep. Duncan Hunter Jr., a Marine Corps veteran of two tours in Iraq and one in Afghanistan, who was in the meeting with the king. "He mentioned 'Unforgiven' and he mentioned Clint Eastwood, and he actually quoted a part of the movie."
Hunter would not say which part of "Unforgiven" the king quoted, but noted it was where Eastwood's character describes how he is going to deliver his retribution. There is a scene in the picture in which Eastwood's character, William Munny, says, "Any man I see out there, I'm gonna kill him. Any son of a bitch takes a shot at me, I'm not only going to kill him, I'm going to kill his wife and all his friends and burn his damn house down."
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Jordan's King Abdullah, speaking to the House Armed Services Committee, quoted something Clint Eastwood said in "Unforgiven."
Rep. Duncan Hunter Jr. reported from what was a private meeting:
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Good--this is in Jordan's back yard, clearly it is in their interest to snuff out ISIS. And I'm sure they won't be fighting by the Marquis of Queensbury rules either.
Jordan can only do so much. The King is worried about running out of fuel and bullets. Who will replenish his supply?
Probably not Obama. Though he may authorize sending MREs as he has done for Ukraine.
Much cheaper and more effective to supply Jordan's military than to send our own in there.
Actually, Brando, by executing two prisoners who were on death row, Jordan has shown evidence that they are going to play by the Marquis of Queensbury rules after all. And since they are in ISIS' back yard and presumably have a few ISIS sympathizers walking the streets of Amman, I would call it unlikely that the government of Jordan will embark on a vendetta. Finally, if they do, that will likely turn more young firebrands from Jordan to the ISIS ranks.
This is not an easy problem to solve. And to those who say "turn the Middle East into glass," I say it is too late for that. We have more than a few ISIS recruiters inside our own borders and they will not be put out of action by carpet bombing Saudi Arabia and Syria.
That is how a ruler with backbone acts, as contrasted with our mealy-mouthed enabler-in-chief.
Unless I hear the words cross his lips, then it never happened.
In Jordan, a tense situation was developing as protests erupted in Amman and the pilot’s home village of Ai on Tuesday night. Hundreds of demonstrators took to the streets, chanting against Abdullah. “There is no god but God and the martyr is beloved by God,” protesters were heard chanting.
They are supporting ISIS.
Time for another Black September.
Who knew the Hashemites are Scots-Irish too. I guess they become that way as border occupants, and as such learned that the fights will come and that Never Surrender is the only tactic that works when they do.
Interestingly, the same world wide support infra structure dedicated to expelling Jews, dead or alive, from the western 1/4 of "Palestine", also claims that Jordan's Hashemites must be expelled from an equally illegal occupation of the eastern 3/4 of "Palestine," dead or alive.
The Education of King Abdullah:
Deerfield
Sandhurst
Oxford
Georgetown
Jordanian Army (qualified tank driver, frogman, parachutist and pilot)
Palace Intrigue (had to solidify his standing as successor to his father King Hussein in competition with Hussein's brother Hassan, who had been Regent and wanted to succeed his brother)
Quite a serious man. But not completely serious. He is also a Russell Peters fan.
"Man's got to know his limitations."
I don't see any of the ISIS insurgents stopping where William Munny did. I don't think they'll feel any sense of regret about their acts either.
"David said...
Quite a serious man. But not completely serious. He is also a Russell Peters fan."
And a Star Trek fan.
Remember when Israel's treatment of the Palestinians was supposedly the cause of all terrorism?
And remember how Jordan is the Palestinian homeland?
Huh.
Jordan was holding four convicted terrorists on death row for 10 years according to the news reports I heard. If so, it would be a good policy to execute such criminals promptly executing after they have been duly convicted.
Maybe with the Unforgiven quote he's channeling the KGB Method.
Back in 1985, Lebanon had a set of kidnappings by Hezbollah (e.g. Syrian proxies). The US used what was then hashtag diplomacy to get ours back dead.
The Russians had 4 diplomats taken as well. The KGB came in, identified the kidnappers and started mailing the kidnappers body parts from their families. The KGB got 3 of the 4 diplomats out alive and didn't have anybody else killed/kidnapped. IIRC
We need to treat ISIL like our forefathers treated pirates. Kill on sight, let every civilized Nation treat them as being outside the pale...
Will Munny: Hell of a thing, killin' a man. You take away all he's got and all he's ever gonna have.
The Schofield Kid: Yeah, well, I guess they had it com in'.
Will Munny: We all have it comin', kid.
The Kingdom of the Hashemites has been in a a long running 50 year battle with Syria and the PLO. They became riddled with "no go zones" of terrorist Palestinian camps since truces in those wars.
You could say Jordan has experienced as much anti-shemitism as Israel has anti-Semitism.
Little Bill Daggett: You'd be William Munny out of Missouri. Killer of women and children.
Will Munny: That's right. I've killed women and children. I've killed just about everything that walks or crawled at one time or another. And I'm here to kill you, Little Bill, for what you did to Ned.
Great lines from Unforgiven. That was why the seemingly crude American won all the awards from Europeans and the Hollywood left.
That is their view of how the cowboy USA treated the rest of the world.
Of course my favorite lines are the exchange:
Little Bill: You just shot an unarmed man.
Munny: Well, He should have armed himself if he's gonna decorate his saloon with my friend.
My guess would be "any man who doesn't want to get killed better clear on out the back".
Middle eastern societies take war and warfare very seriously in a way that we the west do not. What they understand from history is that armies or armed groups can be defeated militarily; nations cannot. Nations (i.e., an ethnic or political population) can only be destroyed, hence their quick resort to scorched earth, genocidal form of permanent conflict resolution. To the west war is just another government program to be managed for the maximum political benefit, even if means "being at war" forever. For once the howling fanatics have greater moral clarity.
I think the King said this about ISIL:
A plague on you. A plague on the whole stinking lot of ya, without morals or laws. And all you whores got no laws. You got no honor. It's no wonder you all emigrated to America, because they wouldn't have you in England. You're a lot of savages, that's what you all are. A bunch of bloody savages. A plague on you. I'll be back.
Best of luck to Jordan. Let us know how it turns out.
What could possibly be the point of burning that pilot alive? I just can't put myself into the mind set of the people who did that. The cruelty is just too pointless and emphatic.......But maybe they know their audience. They keep gaining territory and followers.
Remember, Jordan was jumping through hoops to deliver ISIS 3 prized terrorists in exchange for their pilot.
ISIS was negotiating for a terrorist, Jordan was negotiating for a month old burnt body.
Once Jordan figured it out, they called off the negotiations, and ISIS released the tape.
I would like to see a coalition of world leaders announce, "ISIS is an abomination to God and man, and we will wipe it from the face of the earth."
But Freeman being an abomination to God and man is what the Koran orders the Sunni Raiders of Allah to be tonwards all infidels. What the infidel thinks is totally despised by all committed Jihad Warriors. It is a power trip: "go kill steal and destroy to please God! "
Some religion of peace. The Muslim battle plan is to hunt down and murder all of the Jews first followed by all of the Christians. And Jerusalem is non-negotiable. And possessing a Bible is an automatic death penalty by stoning to death.
For perspective let us recall what happened when the palestinians started rabble rousing in Jordan as most of their claimed territory is in Jordan.
The government of Jordan killed more palestinians that year than the Israelis have ever killed In their history. It was wholesale.
I believe the guy. If it was even remotely possible I would consider enlisting to aid the effort.
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A woman after my own heart. I however would make the link to piracy and those good old ways of handling folks.
On a parallel note, before somebody like Cookie invokes Geneva or Hague or the LoLW, those frameworks are not built for those who douse POWs with gas...
The government of Jordan killed more palestinians that year than the Israelis have ever killed In their history. It was wholesale.
The King of Jordan sits on his throne because of the loyalty of the Bedouin tribes. He knows it, they know it, the Palestinians know it.
The Jordanian Army inherits its professionalism from the British Arab Legion. It's a better class of troops than the rest of those Arabs and the PLO knows the outcome of messing with them...
The Kings intel guys follow the Brit SAS model.
What would Glubb Pasha do?
Jordan is a small country with little resources and more problems than they know what to do with, which is why the neighboring states - including Israel - have largely left them alone and indeed sometimes quietly lent them a hand to keep them afloat.
Krauthammer thinks ISIS did it to bring Jordan into the war and cause the kingdom to collapse. It was intentional.
Freeman Hunt said....Freeman Hunt said...
I would like to see a coalition of world leaders announce, "ISIS is an abomination to God and man, and we will wipe it from the face of the earth."
I'd like to see them act on that sentiment (announced or not), but I'd also like a free pony, and honestly I think I'm more likely to get the pony.
William said...The cruelty is just too pointless and emphatic.......But maybe they know their audience. They keep gaining territory and followers
One has to face that reality--that such naked, pointless savagery is something their intended audience wants and in fact may increase their following--and adjust one's view of the enemy accordingly.
What's worse?
That they burned alive a helpless prisoner?
That they filmed it?
That they are so proud of their act that they posted the film?
That the film is likely to get them still more Muslim recruits?
Just another day in The Religion of Peace™.
The Saudis -- our "allies", guardians of Mecca -- spend billions of dollars a year promoting the exact same sect of Islam that ISIS follows.
Metaphorically speaking, destroying ISIS is like destroying a particular branch of the SS without doing anything to remove the Nazis from power. Sure, it'll feel good, but it won't make anybody safer in the long run and it'll give the enemy fresh propaganda material.
Want to do serious harm to Islamic terror? Skip fighting ISIS, and slap countries like Saudi Arabia and Qatar with the same sanctions we impose on Iran. Seize their bank accounts and blockade their exports. Cripple their ability to support religious radicals around the globe.
Going after the half-witted warriors of a religion that has a hundred million would-be warriors is silly. Go after their source of funding. Attack them economically and culturally, not militarily. Attacking them militarily plays to their strengths -- they have more will to wage war than we ever will, and an essentially unlimited manpower supply.
Bomb the hell out of them.
With James Taylor CDs.
@Jim, none of them. The worst is publishing a surah from the Quran proving that what they did was prescribed by their religion, thus giving the lie to the meme that Islam is a "religion of peace."
Does this make Michael Moore nervous?
When I was taking a class on Islam, I once brought a different version of the Qu'ran to class. It was a Qu'ran thoughtfully given to me by a Muslim who wanted to convert me from atheism to Islam and was printed by one of King Fahd's presses. The other people in the class were surprised when I compared the translations in their versions to the translation I brought. Mine was a bit more hardcore. I wondered which translation we should be using, one that Western linguists believed to be more accurate or one that was used by more Muslims. I suppose it depends on the purpose of the study.
"The Saudis -- our "allies", guardians of Mecca -- spend billions of dollars a year promoting the exact same sect of Islam that ISIS follows."
God ! The Ron Paul nut is now a Muslim scholar !
God! The Ron Paul nut is now a Muslim scholar!
I've been posting criticisms of Islam here for around nine years, kiddo.
Also, Ron Paul and Rand Paul are two different people. I've never cared for Ron. :)
" I've never cared for Ron. :)"
You sound like a confirmed Paulite. I can understand why you would deny now that his nuttiness is in disrepute.
I was favoring Rand in spite of my reservations about first term Senators but he has destroyed his candidacy, in my opinion and the opinion of most of the ciliated world it seems.
You can be anti-Muslim and still be foolish about what to do.
#sendbackourgirls.
"civilized world". The world does not have cilia but autocorrect seems not to realize that,
I don't understand the dynamics. Drone strikes against our enemies creates more enemies than we kill. Burning a Muslim alive in a a deliberate and premeditated way inspires new recruits to the ISIS cause, Both statements can't be true, except they probably are. That's how fucked up the Middle East is.
You sound like a confirmed Paulite.
That's a silly thing to say. Why, I haven't demanded a return to the gold standard even once. :)
By the way, throwing a snit and storming out of the conversation only works if you actually, you know -- leave. Otherwise it just makes you sound like a guy who can't defend his own beliefs coherently.
That would work real well if all those countries relied on us for their economic stability. The fact is they don't.
Both countries rely on the ability to sell a single commodity on international markets. That makes them vulnerable to sanctions, embargoes, and asset seizures.
Heck, the low oil prices brought about by fracking are, by themselves, posing a serious threat to the long-term stability of the Saudi regime.
"Otherwise it just makes you sound like a guy who can't defend his own beliefs coherently."
You seem to be projecting.
Good night.
Apocalypse Now had it right.
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