21 ડિસેમ્બર, 2014

"Boys and girls in America have such a sad time together; sophistication demands that they submit to sex immediately..."

"... without proper preliminary talk. Not courting talk — real straight talk about souls, for life is holy and every moment is precious."

Jack Kerouac, "On the Road" (1951).
આમના દ્વારા પોસ્ટ કરેલા Ann Althouse પર 5:22 PM
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Achilles કહ્યું...

Sex bots are the future.

21/12/14 05:35 PM
buwaya કહ્યું...

Kid was frustrated, couldn't get the girl, huh ?
That's the sort of thing that's kicked off heaps of poetry for the last few thousand years.
He would have been more frustrated elsewhere, Americans had something of a reputation for loose morals, in his day.

21/12/14 05:57 PM
Freeman Hunt કહ્યું...

Astute.

21/12/14 05:57 PM
Ann Althouse કહ્યું...

"Kid was frustrated, couldn't get the girl, huh ?"

No, that observation is made after sexual intercourse.

You might want to read the book, you know.

21/12/14 06:02 PM
buwaya કહ્યું...

Did, ages ago.

21/12/14 06:07 PM
Saint Croix કહ્યું...

Althouse, you're going to make a reader out of me yet!

21/12/14 06:11 PM
Achilles કહ્યું...

Ann Althouse said...
"Kid was frustrated, couldn't get the girl, huh ?"

"No, that observation is made after sexual intercourse."

It varies from individual to individual but there is something some men want just as much as sex from a woman. Especially one they have affection for.

21/12/14 06:13 PM
JSD કહ્યું...

Oh boy, more Kerouac. I don’t think he’s competent to be giving relationship advice. I mentioned before that my brother met him in the 60’s at Nicky’s bar in Lowell. He was somebody, and then he wasn’t. That was normal in the pre-celebrity obsessed world. Like a good French-Canadian Catholic boy, he never forgot his mother. He made a disastrous decision to move back to Lowell and marry into a crazy Greek family that could facilitate in his mother’s care. They fulfilled their promise and then rigged his estate to their benefit. There are lots of Greeks in Lowell. I am sorry if I offend, but Greeks from the old country can be a vicious tribal lot.

21/12/14 06:16 PM
Jaq કહ્યું...

No, that observation is made after sexual intercourse

Not being God, or the omniscient narrator of the world, anyways, IDK, but didn't the intercourse happen in a work of fiction and the comment was directed at the author who lived in this world?

21/12/14 06:28 PM
Paul કહ્યું...

Used to the good guy vanquished the bad guy and then got the girl.

Now days everyone gets the girl.

21/12/14 06:55 PM
Big Mike કહ્યું...

You might want to read the book, you know.

Not hardly.

21/12/14 07:06 PM
jr565 કહ્યું...
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21/12/14 07:29 PM
jr565 કહ્યું...

If all you want is a quickie don't see why you need to engage in much conversation at all. Besides, a lot of people you'd want to have sex with, if all things were equal, you probably wouldn't mind not having a conversation with afterwards. Or before.

21/12/14 07:35 PM
Skyler કહ્યું...

Why was this book so highly regarded? Post modern nihilism is so cool to the cool kids. You know, the ones who find it impossible to attract the opposite sex.

21/12/14 08:06 PM
Renee કહ્યું...

JSD

I'm half French/Greek living in Lowell. I have no interest in his work, but definitely that line was heavily influenced by his faith.

21/12/14 09:18 PM
mccullough કહ્યું...

Skyler,

Have you read the book? It's not post-modern nihilism. If nothing else, the descriptions of jazz hold up well.

On the Road isn't Blood Meridian, but it's pretty good.

21/12/14 11:54 PM
jr565 કહ્યું...

Souls? Life is holy? Clearly Kerouac is not a lefty.

21/12/14 11:57 PM
Ann Althouse કહ્યું...

"Why was this book so highly regarded? Post modern nihilism is so cool to the cool kids. You know, the ones who find it impossible to attract the opposite sex."

The quote I've given you is the opposite of nihilism.

22/12/14 01:13 AM
CStanley કહ્યું...

It's a decent quote but I still have no interest in his body of work. He didn't live as though life were holy; he was either hypocritical in that regard or he had a perverted sense of holiness.

22/12/14 06:31 AM
JSD કહ્યું...

Kerouac has nothing to with nihilism. He documented a wild journey that celebrated life. However, at his core, he was conservative and Catholic. The Catholicism of immigrant families, French Canadians, Irish, Italians is instantly recognizable. I grew up in a large Irish immigrant family, with lots of wild cousins who had crazy epic adventures. At the heart there’s always family, mother, damnation, guilt and forgiveness. It’s in your core long after you stop going to church. Most of my WASP friends are completely bewildered by this outlook.

22/12/14 08:52 AM
bbkingfish કહ્યું...

Our hostess seems surprised that her audience reads without comprehension.

That's pretty funny. She must not read the comments very often.

22/12/14 10:08 AM
mccullough કહ્યું...

CStanley,

Before you read a book do you always research whether the author lived a holy life?

What books have you read?


22/12/14 12:21 PM
અજ્ઞાત કહ્યું...

Kerouac was not a lefty, despite the lifestyle he portrayed in his works. He was a firm conservative, he disparaged the work ethic of two Mexican illegals in, On The Road, defended our role in Vietnam, and, yes, loved his mother, startling, I know, in an age of Obama friend Bill Ayers calling on young people to, "...kill your parents," all of which earned him the enmity of the left.

When he returned to Lowell Kerouac had a severe drinking problem and was picked up many times by the Lowell Police, after a night of drinking, at a bar his brother-in-law owned, if I remember correctly.

22/12/14 02:40 PM
kcom કહ્યું...

"at a bar his brother-in-law owned, if I remember correctly."

I'll guess Nicky’s. (See JSD above.)

22/12/14 03:27 PM
CStanley કહ્યું...

McCullough,
I have no idea how you extrapolated that from my comment. Ann presented a quote, and I responded to it. The "holy" comment comes from that quote and has nothing to do with a personal litmus test for authors that I read.

22/12/14 09:54 PM
CStanley કહ્યું...

To perhaps clarify: my reference to holiness is from the quote, and I was expressing skepticism that he really believes what he wrote. A true belief of the holiness of life is not compatible with drinking oneself to an early death.

23/12/14 06:36 AM
JSD કહ્યું...

Maybe Tom Waits could be a holy drunk.

As I pulled away slowly, feeling so holy
God knows, I was feeling alive.
Now the sun’s coming up, I’m riding with Lady Luck
Freeways cars and trucks
Stars beginning to fade, as I lead the parade
Just a-wishing I’d stayed a little longer
Oh Lord let me tell you the feelings getting stronger

23/12/14 07:07 AM

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