Race and identity politics is everything now. Who cares about individual attributes or personal qualifications when we can reduce everyone to which group they represent?
Just reverse the races in that tweet and it'll read like something Theodore Bilbo would have written if he were around today and using Twitter and working for a leftist online publication. But I'm sure instead of the unanimous scorn that such a bigoted tweet really deserves, this will instead cause handwringing among the garment-rending left who agree that "race matters".
“The race thing would have been a really wonderful—just like to have a really well-established Black woman who is so good at her job running the site would have been great.”
Oh, good lord. Apparently there's added value in skin color that's completely missed when the person is decedent from northern climes.
So blog traffic is down, Ann? Is that why this post?
Frankly this seems like flat out trolling for Crackemcee. You tell us not to feed the trolls but now you seem to be asking us to.
OK.
I expect that Crack will be along any minute to complain about all the blacks who have been killed in the US over the centuries. SO let me just ask pre-emptively:
How many of those blacks were killed by whites?
How many of those blacks were killed by other blacks?
Would you agree that more blacks have been killed by other blacks in the US over the centuries?
This is even though there are far fewer blacks to do the killing
But wasn't when whites kept a tight lock on things through lynching and discrimination - life was much better then - white power.
Scott M,
"Apparently there's added value in skin color that's completely missed when the person is decedent from northern climes."
Yeah - more color. Man, life really WAS better when whites ran everything, huh?
TosaGuy,
"Men are to blame. Not sure how, but they are."
Stop playing the victim.
John,
"Would you agree that more blacks have been killed by other blacks in the US over the centuries?"
They say, if you drained the Atlantic Ocean, we'd find a trail of bones from Africa to the U.S., put there by white men throwing black bodies overboard. And, then, there's no telling how many blacks were actually killed here during slavery. The rape victims, who fought back and were killed, so weren't recorded accurately because of the white master's personal shame. There were so many, many, much more. All covered up with nice, white tales of chivalry and honor, morality and destiny, to make whites today celebrate the 4th with vigor.
So - no - I'll only agree whites were lied to, by their own leaders, and continue their racist practices under that deception.
BDNYC,
"Jezebel? Althouse, I really hope you don't read that crap."
Too late - she couldn't make this blog post without doing so - so why couldn't you figure that out yourself?
This is the kind of comment, and lack of associated thinking (because anyone can say shit) that reminds me of how whites have destroyed information in this country:
"Shit you can figure out yourself - tune in at 11."
George,
"Once you cast the world in terms of payoff by ethnic group this is the inevitable result."
Considering America's been doing it since before it was a country - but for white males against everyone else - you should feel great we've turned a corner.
In another 400 years, this place might have some honor, thanks to white guys.
elkh1,
"Identity politics hierarchy: BM, WW, BW."
That's not true - and lying's precisely the reason why WM aren't included.
Keep your fingers crossed...maybe we'll find out his 4th wife and Elton John marriage means he's been cynically exploiting red meat conservative's feelings all along,....
This is a fairly standard business decision: do you want a CEO promoted from inside (identified with the current strategy, not likely to make big changes, knows the players and the state of play so can hit the ground running) or do you want to bring in a CEO from outside (no existing loyalties, not wedded to the current strategy, likely to want to change the way things are done). There's a whole literature about this.
My guess is that Gawker thinks that Jezebel isn't doing that well and wants to shake things up.
While reading stock market news today (specifically how a cupcake company went under) I found an article where Stewart wrote stuff about how cupcakes are vaginas .
But wasn't when whites kept a tight lock on things through lynching and discrimination - life was much better then - white power."
That's a very impressive leap you just took. Somehow, my criticizing those on the Left today for obsessively judging others by their race is taken by you to be an endorsement of white supremacy???
I realize you're trolling but that's still quite a logic pretzel you just wound.
But wasn't when whites kept a tight lock on things through lynching and discrimination - life was much better then - white power."
"That's a very impressive leap you just took."
No it wasn't. White supremacy is "race and identity politics" for whites - and it was started, by whites, long before blacks had a right to speak - so to claim it "now" is out of control is illogical because "race and identity politics" have always been the law of the land.
"Somehow, my criticizing those on the Left today for obsessively judging others by their race is taken by you to be an endorsement of white supremacy???"
Yes - it's a dodge. The problem of white supremacy isn't "The Left" - it's white supremacy - and the whites currently causing blacks the most grief are on The Right.
"I realize you're trolling but that's still quite a logic pretzel you just wound."
When there are more whites fighting for justice and civil rights than blacks, I'll accept you have the outlook to determine what's logical.
Until then, you can't get any screwier than whites - standing to defend the centuries of unspeakable crimes this nation has committed against it's own people - simply because they resent seeing anyone else get something whites aren't entitled to.
Crack: "They say, if you drained the Atlantic Ocean, we'd find a trail of bones from Africa to the U.S., put there by white men throwing black bodies overboard."
"They say.."
LOL
And "They" would be wrong.
But its all "science-y" and stuff so to understand it you'd have to "be actin' white".
Crack wrote: Crack: "They say, if you drained the Atlantic Ocean, we'd find a trail of bones from Africa to the U.S., put there by white men throwing black bodies overboard."
Are we distinguishing between the black bodies thrown overboard by whites versus those thrown overboard by, say, muslims? Do the bones look different depending on who threw them over board?
Crack wrote: No it wasn't. White supremacy is "race and identity politics" for whites - and it was started, by whites, long before blacks had a right to speak - so to claim it "now" is out of control is illogical because "race and identity politics" have always been the law of the land.
Yeah Crack. that was the KKK, the creation of the democrats. And they continue with the same racial identity politics for all races now. But, logically, I don't see how you would really have a problem with white identity politics since you are engaging in black identity politics. Whites are a race, and so should be allowed to act as an aggrieved group just like all others. No? You'll note, republicans are arguing the opposite. Because they've moved passed race. To get to color blindness you have to give up the racial politics. You may say that I'm a dreamer, but I'm not the only one. I hope someday you'll join us, Crack.
A wise man once said: Judge me by the color of my skin (and other incidental features), and not the content of my character. Too many people still live by his sage advice.
Back when I was a flaming liberal, for about 3 weeks when I was 17, I said something to my dad in support of affirmative action. Dad pointed out that when he was in Viet Nam he was trying to kill the exact same type of people that later fled that country. That there were Vietnamese that came to this country with literally nothing, and no knowledge of the culture, and no knowledge of the language. And they were able to send their kids to college, indeed even medical school. Dad pointed out that these people had no societal advantage and significant disadvantages and yet their children made it to become doctors. Because I was 17 and clueless dad also pointed out that the only thing they did have was a culture that praised intact families, and education. Dad looked at me and said there is no way you can tell me that these refugees had a greater advantage than anyone born in this country and raised here, that culture above all else rules. If you have a culture that honors and promotes family and education you will succeed. If you have a culture that honors sloth you will not.
I think, for me, the democrat party died that day.
"No it wasn't. White supremacy is "race and identity politics" for whites - and it was started, by whites, long before blacks had a right to speak - so to claim it "now" is out of control is illogical because "race and identity politics" have always been the law of the land."
My comment is addressing the sad fact that "liberalism"--if we want to still call left-of-center political thought--has gone from pushing the ideal of color-blindness to pushing a utopia of racial spoils. You seem to be in favor of that as well, as some sort of payback for whatever wrongs you or your ancestors suffered, but it's no less depressing to see that liberal idealism regarding race appears dead.
"The problem of white supremacy isn't "The Left" - it's white supremacy - and the whites currently causing blacks the most grief are on The Right."
The extent to which the vestiges of white supremacy continues to harm racial minorities and the political Right ignores or exacerbates this problem is worth discussion, though it's irrelevant to the point I'm making about the Left's embrace of race as the primary way to judge others. Considering your consistent ability to tie every single subject back to white supremacy that shouldn't surprise me.
"When there are more whites fighting for justice and civil rights than blacks, I'll accept you have the outlook to determine what's logical."
Here's a newsflash for you--had there not been far more whites fighting for civil rights and justice than blacks, blacks would still be living in Jim Crow conditions or worse. Your casual dismissal of the efforts of white people to eliminate racial injustice is galling and ignorant.
Too bad it chafes you that a lot of people--of all races--actually prefer to have others judged as individuals rather than racial numbers. The illogic of the "race matters" crowd will eventually collapse in on itself, even if it takes time.
I don't know whether you're black, white, Asian or brown--on the Internet anyone can be a pirate--but I and other commenters will continue to judge you for what you write and not what race you claim. Perhaps someday you'll do the same.
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34 comments:
Race and identity politics is everything now. Who cares about individual attributes or personal qualifications when we can reduce everyone to which group they represent?
Just reverse the races in that tweet and it'll read like something Theodore Bilbo would have written if he were around today and using Twitter and working for a leftist online publication. But I'm sure instead of the unanimous scorn that such a bigoted tweet really deserves, this will instead cause handwringing among the garment-rending left who agree that "race matters".
This country still has a long way to go.
Wow. This seems like a third derivative of "news".
Is Angry Black Woman the tweet persona of Dodai Stewart? I don't think so.
So someone who views the world through a racist lens is upset that "her team" was not hired. BFD.
As if the insider track person has never before been hired. Sheesh.
“The race thing would have been a really wonderful—just like to have a really well-established Black woman who is so good at her job running the site would have been great.”
Oh, good lord. Apparently there's added value in skin color that's completely missed when the person is decedent from northern climes.
Men are to blame. Not sure how, but they are.
So blog traffic is down, Ann? Is that why this post?
Frankly this seems like flat out trolling for Crackemcee. You tell us not to feed the trolls but now you seem to be asking us to.
OK.
I expect that Crack will be along any minute to complain about all the blacks who have been killed in the US over the centuries. SO let me just ask pre-emptively:
How many of those blacks were killed by whites?
How many of those blacks were killed by other blacks?
Would you agree that more blacks have been killed by other blacks in the US over the centuries?
This is even though there are far fewer blacks to do the killing
You are welcome, Ann.
John Henry
The Black Woman would have won the job if she was a Lesbian. She just wasn't a big enough AA victim
Jezebel? Althouse, I really hope you don't read that crap.
Once you cast the world in terms of payoff by ethnic group this is the inevitable result.
Identity politics hierarchy: BM, WW, BW.
Race had nothing to do with it. The new editor is younger and prettier than her rival.
Oooo... Jezebel!That’s really cutting edge news.
Men are to blame. Not sure how, but they are.
Keep your fingers crossed...maybe Carmichael is really a man.
I read it as "Passed over the BMW and hired a World War."
Make more sense that way.
Brando,
"Race and identity politics is everything now."
But wasn't when whites kept a tight lock on things through lynching and discrimination - life was much better then - white power.
Scott M,
"Apparently there's added value in skin color that's completely missed when the person is decedent from northern climes."
Yeah - more color. Man, life really WAS better when whites ran everything, huh?
TosaGuy,
"Men are to blame. Not sure how, but they are."
Stop playing the victim.
John,
"Would you agree that more blacks have been killed by other blacks in the US over the centuries?"
They say, if you drained the Atlantic Ocean, we'd find a trail of bones from Africa to the U.S., put there by white men throwing black bodies overboard. And, then, there's no telling how many blacks were actually killed here during slavery. The rape victims, who fought back and were killed, so weren't recorded accurately because of the white master's personal shame. There were so many, many, much more. All covered up with nice, white tales of chivalry and honor, morality and destiny, to make whites today celebrate the 4th with vigor.
So - no - I'll only agree whites were lied to, by their own leaders, and continue their racist practices under that deception.
BDNYC,
"Jezebel? Althouse, I really hope you don't read that crap."
Too late - she couldn't make this blog post without doing so - so why couldn't you figure that out yourself?
This is the kind of comment, and lack of associated thinking (because anyone can say shit) that reminds me of how whites have destroyed information in this country:
"Shit you can figure out yourself - tune in at 11."
George,
"Once you cast the world in terms of payoff by ethnic group this is the inevitable result."
Considering America's been doing it since before it was a country - but for white males against everyone else - you should feel great we've turned a corner.
In another 400 years, this place might have some honor, thanks to white guys.
elkh1,
"Identity politics hierarchy: BM, WW, BW."
That's not true - and lying's precisely the reason why WM aren't included.
Thanks for the great "Teaching Moment."
lemondog,
"Oooo... Jezebel!That’s really cutting edge news."
Like Rush Limbaugh.
Keep your fingers crossed...maybe we'll find out his 4th wife and Elton John marriage means he's been cynically exploiting red meat conservative's feelings all along,....
This is a fairly standard business decision: do you want a CEO promoted from inside (identified with the current strategy, not likely to make big changes, knows the players and the state of play so can hit the ground running) or do you want to bring in a CEO from outside (no existing loyalties, not wedded to the current strategy, likely to want to change the way things are done). There's a whole literature about this.
My guess is that Gawker thinks that Jezebel isn't doing that well and wants to shake things up.
While reading stock market news today (specifically how a cupcake company went under) I found an article where Stewart wrote stuff about how cupcakes are vaginas .
I'll leave it for others for clever rejoinders.
Now that Crack has riffed one of my posts, my life is now complete.
"Race and identity politics is everything now."
But wasn't when whites kept a tight lock on things through lynching and discrimination - life was much better then - white power."
That's a very impressive leap you just took. Somehow, my criticizing those on the Left today for obsessively judging others by their race is taken by you to be an endorsement of white supremacy???
I realize you're trolling but that's still quite a logic pretzel you just wound.
Somebody has a 700-year old sequoia on her shoulder.
Gawker owns Jezebel?
I should have known.
Passed over ME. Mixed emotions.
Brando,
"Race and identity politics is everything now."
But wasn't when whites kept a tight lock on things through lynching and discrimination - life was much better then - white power."
"That's a very impressive leap you just took."
No it wasn't. White supremacy is "race and identity politics" for whites - and it was started, by whites, long before blacks had a right to speak - so to claim it "now" is out of control is illogical because "race and identity politics" have always been the law of the land.
"Somehow, my criticizing those on the Left today for obsessively judging others by their race is taken by you to be an endorsement of white supremacy???"
Yes - it's a dodge. The problem of white supremacy isn't "The Left" - it's white supremacy - and the whites currently causing blacks the most grief are on The Right.
"I realize you're trolling but that's still quite a logic pretzel you just wound."
When there are more whites fighting for justice and civil rights than blacks, I'll accept you have the outlook to determine what's logical.
Until then, you can't get any screwier than whites - standing to defend the centuries of unspeakable crimes this nation has committed against it's own people - simply because they resent seeing anyone else get something whites aren't entitled to.
That's being fucked-up in the head,….
Crack: "They say, if you drained the Atlantic Ocean, we'd find a trail of bones from Africa to the U.S., put there by white men throwing black bodies overboard."
"They say.."
LOL
And "They" would be wrong.
But its all "science-y" and stuff so to understand it you'd have to "be actin' white".
So we'll just drop it now.
Brando: "That's a very impressive leap you just took."
Not really.
Crack has made much more impressive leaps than that.
Challenge: Pluto is no longer categorized as a planet.
Crack connects to white racism in 3..2...1....
Yeah - more color. Man, life really WAS better when whites ran everything, huh?
Color brings value? On it's own? How?
Man, life really WAS better when whites ran everything, huh?
Wait...you mean we don't anymore?
God damn..how come no one told me?
How the fuck can we keep oppressing Crack if we don't run things anymore?
This doesn’t surprise me at all. Passed over the BW and hired a WW./Mixed emotions as Jezebel gets new editor."
IS that all these two writers bring to the table? I'm mad because the writers wasn't a man. Why does it have to be a woman?
I read that cupcakes are vaginas article, and it had the line "Cupcakes are brats."
Now, clearly brats are penises. So is she saying penises are vaginas?
It doesn't add up.
Not in Wisconsin anyway.
Crack wrote:
Crack: "They say, if you drained the Atlantic Ocean, we'd find a trail of bones from Africa to the U.S., put there by white men throwing black bodies overboard."
Are we distinguishing between the black bodies thrown overboard by whites versus those thrown overboard by, say, muslims? Do the bones look different depending on who threw them over board?
Crack wrote:
No it wasn't. White supremacy is "race and identity politics" for whites - and it was started, by whites, long before blacks had a right to speak - so to claim it "now" is out of control is illogical because "race and identity politics" have always been the law of the land.
Yeah Crack. that was the KKK, the creation of the democrats. And they continue with the same racial identity politics for all races now.
But, logically, I don't see how you would really have a problem with white identity politics since you are engaging in black identity politics. Whites are a race, and so should be allowed to act as an aggrieved group just like all others. No?
You'll note, republicans are arguing the opposite. Because they've moved passed race. To get to color blindness you have to give up the racial politics.
You may say that I'm a dreamer,
but I'm not the only one.
I hope someday you'll join us, Crack.
Scott M:
A wise man once said: Judge me by the color of my skin (and other incidental features), and not the content of my character. Too many people still live by his sage advice.
Back when I was a flaming liberal, for about 3 weeks when I was 17, I said something to my dad in support of affirmative action. Dad pointed out that when he was in Viet Nam he was trying to kill the exact same type of people that later fled that country. That there were Vietnamese that came to this country with literally nothing, and no knowledge of the culture, and no knowledge of the language. And they were able to send their kids to college, indeed even medical school. Dad pointed out that these people had no societal advantage and significant disadvantages and yet their children made it to become doctors. Because I was 17 and clueless dad also pointed out that the only thing they did have was a culture that praised intact families, and education. Dad looked at me and said there is no way you can tell me that these refugees had a greater advantage than anyone born in this country and raised here, that culture above all else rules. If you have a culture that honors and promotes family and education you will succeed. If you have a culture that honors sloth you will not.
I think, for me, the democrat party died that day.
When there are more whites fighting for justice and civil rights than blacks, I'll accept you have the outlook to determine what's logical. "
This happened awhile ago. Blacks are the racists now and whites want equal rights for all.
What you really mean to say as, as soon as white people give me all their shit, then and only then will I stop trolling.
Good luck with that buddy. Read Ann's blog more. Read the web more. No one is talking about stealing white people's money but some crazy black people.
Poor Crack.
"No it wasn't. White supremacy is "race and identity politics" for whites - and it was started, by whites, long before blacks had a right to speak - so to claim it "now" is out of control is illogical because "race and identity politics" have always been the law of the land."
My comment is addressing the sad fact that "liberalism"--if we want to still call left-of-center political thought--has gone from pushing the ideal of color-blindness to pushing a utopia of racial spoils. You seem to be in favor of that as well, as some sort of payback for whatever wrongs you or your ancestors suffered, but it's no less depressing to see that liberal idealism regarding race appears dead.
"The problem of white supremacy isn't "The Left" - it's white supremacy - and the whites currently causing blacks the most grief are on The Right."
The extent to which the vestiges of white supremacy continues to harm racial minorities and the political Right ignores or exacerbates this problem is worth discussion, though it's irrelevant to the point I'm making about the Left's embrace of race as the primary way to judge others. Considering your consistent ability to tie every single subject back to white supremacy that shouldn't surprise me.
"When there are more whites fighting for justice and civil rights than blacks, I'll accept you have the outlook to determine what's logical."
Here's a newsflash for you--had there not been far more whites fighting for civil rights and justice than blacks, blacks would still be living in Jim Crow conditions or worse. Your casual dismissal of the efforts of white people to eliminate racial injustice is galling and ignorant.
Too bad it chafes you that a lot of people--of all races--actually prefer to have others judged as individuals rather than racial numbers. The illogic of the "race matters" crowd will eventually collapse in on itself, even if it takes time.
I don't know whether you're black, white, Asian or brown--on the Internet anyone can be a pirate--but I and other commenters will continue to judge you for what you write and not what race you claim. Perhaps someday you'll do the same.
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