Althouse: "It’s new Russia. Kharkiv, Lugansk, Donetsk, Odessa were not part of Ukraine in czarist times..."

April 17, 2014

"It’s new Russia. Kharkiv, Lugansk, Donetsk, Odessa were not part of Ukraine in czarist times..."

"... they were transferred in 1920. Why? God knows. Then for various reasons these areas were gone, and the people stayed there — we need to encourage them to find a solution."

9 comments:

Illuninati said...: I thought Russia would be satisfied with the Crimea but apparently not. European tribalism seems to be reasserting itself here. The Jews in Eastern Ukraine are worried since someone has sent them pamphlets ordering them to register as Jews.
http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/world/2014/04/17/jews-ordered-to-register-in-east-ukraine/7816951/; 4/17/14, 9:49 AM
rhhardin said...: I have a warm spot for Ukraine, that being my first ham contact with Russia as a kid, back when the Russians were suddenly permitted to talk to the west, it must have been 1955.

Prefix UB5 as I recall.

The guy sent me a nice letter asking me to send him Vibroplex bug, and he'd send me some stamps.

Bunch of beggars.

Young teens are not so easily fooled.

Later there was the great gate of Kiev Mussorgsky

And a Fred Tappert at work went to a conference there to give a paper and reported back that there were no pencils anywhere. All the stubs are snatched up and kept.

Verbal history in the making.; 4/17/14, 9:57 AM
Hagar said...: The present State of Ukraine is entirely a creation of the Soviet government in Moscow.
The eastern part is very much part of the old Jewish Pale of Settlement.

The pamphlets probably are state inspired provocations, but which state?
The Russians have for some time brought up so many of the Ukrainians thinking the Germans had come to liberate them from the Soviet Union in WWII and joining forces to fight with the Germans against the Russians.
For the Great Russians, this is unforgiveable.

Also Byelorussians - "White Russians."
Ukrainians - "Little Russians."

"New Russia" for the southeastern part of the present Ukraine and Crimea, I have not seen before, but I am not surprised. 150 years ago the area was indeed recently acquired.

Wonder what Putin calls the old German settlement on the Volga?; 4/17/14, 10:18 AM
Mitch H. said...: The eastern part is very much part of the old Jewish Pale of Settlement.

You mean the western part, and the catastrophe of the Forties made most of those old distinctions kind of meaningless. The "registration" pamphlets are classic chekist provocation tactics, Russians have been pulling that crap since forever - it was already old hat when a Okhrana provocateur ghost-wrote the Protocols of the Elders of Zion.; 4/17/14, 10:43 AM
Richard Lawrence Cohen said...: "Russia alone must save Europe. Our gracious benefactor realizes his lofty destiny and will be true to it. That is the one thing I have faith in. The noblest role on earth awaits our good and wonderful sovereign, and he is so virtuous and fine that God will not desert him."
-- War and Peace, Part I, Chapter 1; 4/17/14, 10:47 AM
NotWhoIUsedtoBe said...: This is a coordinated attempt to destroy the post-1945 world. Borders have been largely static since the end of World War 2. Putin, and many others, want to make borders fluid again.; 4/17/14, 11:14 AM
RecChief said...: huh, apparently the "head of the temporary government" in Donetsk is having his minions hand out notices that all jews are to register, with a list of their property attached.

how flexible is the president prepared to be? his followers?

Heckuva job, Barry; 4/17/14, 11:53 AM
David said...: RecChief said...
huh, apparently the "head of the temporary government" in Donetsk is having his minions hand out notices that all jews are to register, with a list of their property attached.

how flexible is the president prepared to be? his followers?

John Kerry immediately condemned this.

The President is talking about Republican denial and stages of grief over health care.; 4/17/14, 6:18 PM
Hagar said...: Went back and looked at the map in Niall Ferguson's "The War of the World" again and according to that, all of the State of Ukraine is within "The Pale of Settlement;" makes up about the soukrtherm 1/4 or 1/3 of it.

Anyway, we are agreed it is a provocation, i.e. somebody trying to stir up more trouble, and the somebody probably is a state entity whether Russian or Ukrainian.; 4/18/14, 9:09 AM