"Now, as one who studies sociology in this society and the culture, I find this fascinating that we have these Millennials now who are looking at their Baby Boom parents as a bunch of materialistic, selfish, concerned only with them and their kids are just accessories."
Rush Limbaugh was having a great time with this story yesterday.
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६० टिप्पण्या:
Interesting. Her parents "make her do homework" and she has a 3.5 GPA? Does she have a problem understanding about cause and effect? What GPA does she think she'd have if she didn't do homework?
Are we sure the parents are Boomers and not Gen Xers?
If you never tell your children no until they're 18, you're about 16 years too late.
Pot calls kettle black.
She left, moved out. Now is the time to allow her to enjoy the consequences of her choices. No matter how foolish and selfish those choices were. Someone is about to get a good swift kick of reality, and, she isn't close to being prepared for it.
Oh, yes, " 16 years too late " absolutely. Her learning curve is mind numbingly steep.
I read the story a couple of days ago and there is definitely something creepy about it. The girl's lawsuit is being paid for by the father of her girlfriend whom she is now living with. The friend's parents seem to have a pretty tolerant attitude towards drinking and partying and Rachel is rather nice looking......
Yep. It appears that the parents are around 48/49. Gen Xers.
Countersue
Lear's curse:
If she must teem,
Create her child of spleen, that it may live
And be a thwart disnatur'd torment to her!
Let it stamp wrinkles in her brow of youth,
With cadent tears fret channels in her cheeks,
Turn all her mother's pains and benefits
To laughter and contempt, that she may feel
How sharper than a serpent's tooth it is
To have a thankless child!
Interesting. The girl herself is calling them boomers.
This is a smear on boomers!
We need a boomer pride movement.
As far as financial aid goes, she can't get any unless she has her parents cooperation, as she needs to report their income until she is age 24, as an undergrad. She may need to become legally (yes she is emancipated in all other respects now) emancipated to be able to use her own income on the FAF. We don't know what happened in that household and who is telling the complete truth, or not. She obviously is a good student and has potential to be succesful in college. I wish her luck. With some maturity on all sides, she and her parents may reconcile.
Parents must support their children up to the age of 26. First with healthcare, then other things.
How to determine independent or dependent student status.
History will not be kind to the Baby Boomers. My nephew recently took a sociology class where a theory about the cyclical character of generations was expounded. Boomers fell in the selfish, heedless cycle, takers, not givers. Don't know if the theory has any validity but the characterization of Boomers was right on.
The boomers are getting on in years. They'll just have to take the heat. Or someone will cut off their Geritol, put them in an old folks home, and ban aging R&R star performances.
Ann Althouse said...
We need a boomer pride movement.
The soft sigh you hear is we war babies yawning.
(Not from boredom. It's nap time.)
The dad in this story is a NJ policeman and as pointed out, in his late 40s. Not the stereotypical liberal boomer dad that gets the usual suspects all hot and bothered. Interestingly, the lawyer whose family the girl moved in with has some ties to Chris Christie's administration. Turtles all the way down with this one.
Oops...
Facebook hoax targets N.J. teen suing parents, lawyer says
"The New Jersey teenager who sued her parents to pay for college is the alleged victim of a Facebook hoax that appears to be fanning the flame of public disgust aimed at the teen.
Rachel Canning woke up to a new round of outrage Friday morning. But, according to her attorney, she had no hand in it.
"This page is a hoax," attorney John P. Inglesino said in an email to the Los Angeles Times on Friday morning. He was referring to this Facebook page.
He, as well as some media outlets, say Canning is being pranked through social media accounts that have cropped up in her name.
But that hasn't kept inflammatory remarks from the apparently fake Facebook account from pinging around the Internet -- and fueling rage against Canning, the 18-year-old who recently sued her parents for, essentially, child support."
I don't believe the parents are Boomers. The math doesn't work out. They'd have had to have kids in their fifties.
Millennials in general are too young to be the children of Boomers, though the oldest Millenials could (barely) be the children of the youngest Boomers.
It's a little silly, lumping in everyone together born within a span of twenty years. I find +/- 5 to be a bit of a stretch to find common ground with in terms of what we grew up with.
When Gen X spontaneously arose and was originally covered in the media (see wikipedia), before the marketers got a chokehold and forced it into a box, it had some overlap with tag end boomers... born in the 60s basically. Then it changed to a tight demo of '65-'80 or whatever it is.
The very youngest boomer would be 49 or 50 now, Michelle Obama's age. The oldest Gen Xers would be the same. Some identify more with boom, some more with X.
I've met people who are 45ish now, who call themselves boomers. It's odd, usually people with older husbands trying to catch a ride on the train and diminish distance. Other 40-somethings are horrified to be considered one.
I would say that anyone who doesn't have the standard boomer experiences and memories of the kennedy assassination, the Beatles, the draft, and oh, I don't know, AN ACTUAL ECONOMIC BOOM, is Gen X. That's why there was originally overlap.
Actually, us Gen Xers do remember a real economic boom. It was called the mid to late 1990s. Good times, good times.
@somefeller
Yes, I was in the thick of it. I'm X, but it was a bubble, not a real boom, and more narrowly focused on tech and Web 1.0. I got both elevated and hit by it. There was also a lot of rent seeking and one of the first real hedge fund crises with Long Term Capital Management. It was unstable.
But it wasn't built on solid foundation of main street growth, high living wage, low living costs, and a "real economy" the way the Boomer boom was, nor did it last as long.
Strauss–Howe generational theory
In general:
Boomers born 1943-1960
GenX 1961-1981
Millennials born 1982-2004
But it wasn't built on solid foundation of main street growth, high living wage, low living costs, and a "real economy" that makes things the way the Boomer boom was, nor did it last as long.
Or the solid foundation of a couple of decades of guns and butter government spending coupled with the devastation of the US's main economic competitors, the way the Boomer boom was. And that expansion was quite real outside of Silicon Valley. But alas, nothing lasts.
True, esp. the devastation of competitors. I often wonder what it would have been like to be in a competition-free landscape like that.
From the stories I'm told, at least about CA, it sounds restful. Want to take a year or two off to travel or bike around the USA? Sure. Come on back to plenty of engineering jobs at your leisure! Blue Sky R & D. Rent is $70-100 a month and you can actually support a family on minimum wage with one person working. Oh and education is high quality and so low cost it is practically free. No student loan bubble.
We need a boomer pride movement.
Damn right!!!
Boomer refers to the boom in babies- not the economy- although the economy did boom from 45-70, for the most part
We need a boomer pride movement.
A.K.A, the past 40 years.
She is 18. An adult.
I say...pay for her last semester of private high school. That would be fair to the school with whom the parents have some sort of legal obligation and to just let her finish high school with her friends. They are not obligated to pay for college or anything else. She left home and severed her ties with her parents.
Pack all of her stuff up. Put it into a storage locker. Pay for 6 months of storage. Hand her the keys and a restraining order. Redecorate her abandoned room and make it into a nice office or crafting room.
Daaaaddy.....I’m sooooooooooooory!!!!!!!!
Actions have consequences
Ten years forward
Or maybe she marries rich.
Just recently, I saw Hunger Ganes. That movie manages to square the circle. It's a chick flick that successfully manages to play like an action movie. The design and choice of Katniss's wedding gown--a plot point that has driven many men to suicide in real life--becomes an action sequence in the movie. The wedding gown as commando outfit......Anyway, it struck me that the people in The Capital are not really capitalists, or government bureaucrats, or fascists but boomers and yuppies. The younger generation will never know peace and prosperity until the streets are cleansed with the blood of Boomers.
The original Yuppies were in their 20s and 30s in the earlier '80s--so, mostly Boomers regardless of definition of the latter.
I'm amused by the definition above of Millennials as falling between '82 and '2004. Huh? Betcha that one won't hold up in the long run.
The parents aren't Boomers.
Also, the parents owe her nothing. What is going on with the other family that is encouraging this nonsense? Weird.
They better save for retirement because their daughter isn't going to take care of them
For just one thing, the childhoods of folks born in '82 and those born in, say, 2000 are very different. Think just in terms of technology and media alone!
So I looked at the Facebook page and some of the court pictures...
... and I'm flashing back to the plot of "Traffic" (American version) in a big way.
My suggestion is that if the parties can't reconcile,the parents should clear the bill with the high school (I lean toward that as an obligation, at this point, anyway) and perhaps sign over, if possible and feasible, the current existing contents of any currently existing college fund earmarked specifically for that kid. Then I'd draw up the estate to disinherit the daughter and make it clear that there the bank is closed. No coming back financially for support in throwing a wedding, in times of future unemployment, for help with a downpayment on a house, for cosigning for loans or apartment rentals or the like. Etc.
It seems to me that the young woman is a short-term thinker. It'll be interesting to see whether she regrets that in the longer term.
rcommal said...
Are we sure the parents are Boomers and not Gen Xers?
Clearly Xers. This is really a terrible story, and the worst is the friend's father.
Pogo is Dead:
Thanks for the full speech and not just the last two lines.
Long ago I read a story about an author who is worried that his publisher will call and threaten him with plagarism, because in order to meet a deadline, the author reset King Lear in a different setting. The publisher does call and says, we are being threatened with lawsuits by two women who claim that you stole their life stories for use in your story.
Pogo is Dead:
Thanks for the full speech and not just the last two lines.
Long ago I read a story about an author who is worried that his publisher will call and threaten him with plagarism, because in order to meet a deadline, the author reset King Lear in a different setting. The publisher does call and says, we are being threatened with lawsuits by two women who claim that you stole their life stories for use in your story.
rcommal said...
My suggestion is that if the parties can't reconcile,the parents should
The parents should call her once a week and ask her if she's ready to return home. Looking beyond that to funding is accepting the breach will never be healed, in which case the funding is conscience money.
I just don't see her case--is she arguing that her parents should be required to pay her tuition or give her money despite her being over 18? Because if so, why was this not tossed out right away?
I'm too puzzled by that part to think about what an awful person she is.
Oof, LemonDog, by those measures I'm in the same generation as my older children. That makes no sense. I don't even feel like I'm in the same generation as my 12-years-younger sister, who doesn't remember when cell phones ddidn't text or take pictures.
The badly spoiled, manipulated teenager in this case is not entitled to support from her parents, of course, and the lawyer/friend/creep who is trying to make his name here ought to be ashamed of himself. The only party the parents do need to pay is the private school.
Actually, us Gen Xers do remember a real economic boom. It was called the mid to late 1990s. Good times, good times.
You mean the continuation of the Reagan boom.
boomer pride movement? I thought the fact that Obamacare forces young people to subsidize, through higher premiums, boomers' insurance is the boomers pride movement.
"Or maybe she marries rich."
Probably a brass pole or worse in her future
According to court filings, Rachel Canning's lawyer, John P. Inglesino is a complete slime ball. If the allegations are true, he should be disbarred.
I always thought that '65 was the tail end of the boomers. I just turned fifty. I never heard of Gen X until I graduated college, mid-80s.
Freeman,
She turned 18 and told her folks that she was an adult, and they couldn't tell her what to do anymore. She didn't want to abide by the rules, because, like, she's an adult.
So she moved out. And in with her bff. Whose father hired an attorney so she could get support, probably because he didn't like her attitude either, and he was supporting her.
She wanted $650 a month in support. That's equivalent to a $32,500 annual salary. For an 18 year old. And, of course, she wouldn't want to pay taxes on it, so it's more the equivalent of a $52K annual salary before taxes, and only taxes, no other deductions.
After she said she didn't want to do what they told her to, while living under their roof, she alleged all sorts of abuse. Throw all the shit at the wall and see what sticks. Her allegations were investigated and found not credible.
The parents owe her no tuition of any kind, high school or college. They owe her no living expenses. They owe her love and forgiveness, period, and it sounds like they're already offering that.
Has this girl not heard the inspiring story of Belle Knox?
Her lawyer said the page was a fake.
I say "Pay up Dad. She is going to choose your nursing home and I'm tired of paying for her birth control pills! "
I say "Pay up Dad. She is going to choose your nursing home and I'm tired of paying for her birth control pills! "
New Jersey Law Blog on emancipation.
Has the court fully settled the matter?
Has the court fully settled the matter?
No, only the "emergency" injunction has been denied.
From the link: Once a parent who seeks to emancipate the child establishes that the child is in fact, eighteen years of age or older, the parent who opposes the emancipation has the burden to prove
It's interesting commentary, but it's entirely written under the assumption that one parent wants to spend X and the other parent doesn't. There's nothing about a child being able to force both parents to do anything.
I think even if they "lose" the case the only damages are the daughter's expenses for the two days until she turned 18 (or essentially nothing). They would have been liable for the high school tuition (depending on the school's cancellation policy) except the school seems to have waived it.
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