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205 comments:
1 – 200 of 205 Newer› Newest»"Mongrel," like "bitch," refers to dog. It's totally inaccurate to call a human a mongrel, just like it's way off base to ever call a woman a bitch.
(Barbara Bush's evaluation of Hillary Clinton notwithstanding.)
Good luck in 2016, Republicans. You'll never take care of these problems by then.
Huh?
Michelle Obama is calling for all the "knucklehead" 20-somethings to sign up for Obama care.
Yeah, that will work.
"Michelle Obama is calling for all the "knucklehead" 20-somethings to sign up for Obama care."
2/21/14, 12:16 PM
Yeah, because knuckle head is every bit as vile as sub human mongrel.
Nuge rocks! I really love how he turned the "apology" into another blast at Obama. He gets the attention, and then he gets the platform. People listen to him because he's a icon of popular culture, and he let's it loose. Notice he doesn't actually apologize to anyone, except perhaps the people being tarred by association, which is the new leftist blood sport. Can't defeat 'em on policy and argument, slander them by association!
Besides, this is Texas. They love this shit there.
Do you really think he gives a crap what the lefty press thinks of him? About as much as the Robertsons do, I'd imagine.
OK..so what are we allowed to call:
A) women
B) Democratic presidents?
Which is worse?
Subhuman mongrel
or
Bushhitler?
or
Sarah Palin is not a real woman?
Damn, this is tough.
Stupid too.
The pussification of America rolls relentlessly on.
How about Hillary complaining about all those whining women who weren't willing to take a sexual assault for the team?
Yeah, because Uncle Tom is every bit as vile as sub human mongrel.
FIFY, Inga.
Try and keep your eye on the ball.
I grant absolution to Ted Nugent. He is the spokesperson for all rightists, who hold formerly famous rock singers in high regard as foundations of our movement.
Since I am the high priest, I grant absolution. Go forth, Ted Nugent, and sin no more.
OK..so what are we allowed to call:
A) women
B) Democratic presidents?
By all means, if you are one of the GOP rank and file, follow your heart. Call them what you would like to call them, what you are longing to. Give free license to your creative engergies.
The Democrat candidates thank you.
Freedom's just another word for nothing left to lose. And when you have no honor to defend, you can say anything you damn well want. That's an enviable position to be in.
People listen to him because he's a icon of popular culture
This statement might have been true in 1978. Unfortunately for you and Nugent, it is 2014.
I also grant absolution to Freder Frederson. Taste in music is a difficult thing. Go forth, and sin no more.
Sorry; Freder; should have granted to Chef Mojo. No hellish feelings, I hope. It's a difficult job up here.
Didn't he say these things like 3-5 years ago? Where was the media then?
Its only b/c he's supporting a republican today that has them interested.
Phonies.
Fredor, you obviously don't get out much.
If Nuge isn't still relevant, why is Althouse posting about him, and why are you bothering to discuss the issue? The media is sure treating him like a popular culture icon!
He is, indeed, an icon of popular culture. Not yours, albeit, but that's a typical lefty conceit; that popular culture is for lefties to define. That's not true anymore.
Sullivan gets to the heart of this particular matter. Why is it so hard for Republicans to separate themselves from this lunatic? The guy plays black music, badly, and then, having made a living as a minstrel, pisses on the very people who gave him a comfortable living.
Now we're morphing the thread from SomeRightistSaidSomethingBad to IsThatGuyReallyAnIcon.
I need analysis from Miley Cyrus and Justin Bieber.
Also, Beyonce, just for balance.
I'm waiting for Obama to condemn and demand an apology from Rihanna. And while we are at it. I want to hear from Pelosi and Reid.
BWAAAAA-HAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!
AReasonableMan said "The guy plays black music, badly..."
Ever heard the name Bix Beiderbecke? Does the color of the skin own the type of the music?
You stupid fuck!
So, now we have a ranking of insults. Knucklehead is less demeaning than sub-human mongrel.
So, now we have a ranking of insults. Knucklehead is less demeaning than sub-human mongrel.
AReasonableMan,
"Why is it so hard for Republicans to separate themselves from this lunatic? The guy plays black music, badly, and then, having made a living as a minstrel, pisses on the very people who gave him a comfortable living."
"Why is it this American white guy can be admired for spitting all these words forever, and never fucking up, but a conservative politician can't open his mouth without saying something racist?”
@ARM:
Sullivan, whose taste in music ossified with The Pet Shop Boys, WHAM! and Madonna, is hardly in a position to criticize Ted Nugent and American Rock n Roll.
What Sullivan says about Nugent and exploitation can be said of every white garage band that ever plugged into a stack. So, really, it's pretty meaningless what he has to say.
I'm not surprised you latched on to it like a lamprey.
Ever heard the name Bix Beiderbecke? Does the color of the skin own the type of the music?
^^THIS.
Merriam Webster, Full Definition of MONGREL
1: an individual resulting from the interbreeding of diverse breeds or strains; especially : one of unknown ancestry
2: a cross between types of persons or things
take that, Dawg.
People still actually listen to him? He is about as relevant as a mullet.
Gag.
vicki from pasadena
Ever heard the name Bix Beiderbecke? Does the color of the skin own the type of the music?
I'm sure Crack will enlighten us presently.
Because racism.
Pimp that website nobody reads, Crack.
Pimping ain't easy. Or for you, financially rewarding.
Hurt your feelings with that last one, Meade?
Chef Mojo, it doesn't get any better than Sydney Bechet in Blue Horizon. He was most known for saxophone, but he cleaned up on clarinet here.
It's totally inaccurate to call a human a mongrel,
mon·grel
1. An animal or a plant resulting from various interbreedings, especially a dog of mixed or undetermined breed.
http://thehill.com/homenews/administration/111611-obama-calls-african-americans-a-mongrel-people-
"We are sort of a mongrel people."
"I mean we're all kinds of mixed up," Obama said. "That's actually true of white people as well, but we just know more about it."
People still actually listen to him? He is about as relevant as a mullet.
Gag.
Priceless!
Belongs right up there with:
I only know one person who voted for Nixon. Where they are I don't know. They're outside my ken. But sometimes when I'm in a theater I can feel them.
Pauline Kael
Bob Ellison said...
Ever heard the name Bix Beiderbecke? Does the color of the skin own the type of the music?
Comprehension still a problem for you? I didn't say he couldn't play black music I simply wondered why he lacks any humility in his approach to the original talents who created the music he plunders for a living.
"So, now we have a ranking of insults. Knucklehead is less demeaning than sub-human mongrel."
2/21/14, 1:01 PM
Mad dog, if you truly do not see any difference in "knuckle head" and "sub human mongrel", you have a huge problem. One of the big mistakes people do on both sides of the aisle do, is make false equivalencies. .
AReasonableMan, you are not being reasonable. You probably know the meaning and import of your words. If not, stop typing now. Back away from the keyboard. You might try changing your screen name, too.
I'm not taunting you, AReasonableMan, just for InterWeb fun. I'm taunting you because you're either a jerk or a great troll. I've got time on my hands. Let's keep it up!
"mon·grel
1. An animal or a plant resulting from various interbreedings, especially a dog of mixed or undetermined breed."
2/21/14, 1:11 PM
Why are some here focusing on the insult, "mongrel", while totally not mentioning the "sub human" part? Really, you folks don't see anything wrong with this type of rhetoric?
You know, I don't even want to get into the whole argument over whether Nugent was wrong to say that.
I just wanted to express my consternation at the people claiming Ted Nugent "rocks". Off to rock and roll rehabilitation camp with the lot of ya.
Ted Nugent - 'Say it loud: my music is black and I'm proud!'
To be fair to black people, no black person would actually produce a childishly derivative minstrel show like Uncle Ted's.
I didn't say he couldn't play black music I simply wondered why he lacks any humility in his approach to the original talents who created the music he plunders for a living.
Oh, this is good!
"Humility?" He's a fucking ROCK N ROLL STAR!
Which "original talents?" Please go there.
And just how does he "plunder" it for a living.
I haven't heard anything of his since Cat Scratch Fever which was pretty dismal for my tastes.
He's certainly a much better Democrat operative than he is a rock 'n' roller.
Chef Mojo,
Ever heard the name Bix Beiderbecke? Does the color of the skin own the type of the music?
I'm sure Crack will enlighten us presently.
Because racism.
Since I know you guys are only about red meat today (you're like sharks circling) I'll only point out the Nuge has only two songs of note - Cat Scratch Fever and Stranglehold - so the idea he was ever important to anyone or anything but to whites using him as a cultural crutch is ridiculous. He sucks. He's always sucked. And he always will suck.
Inga, Chimpy McBusHitler.
Goodness gracious, it seems like a 24/7 job telling you lefties what racist jerks you are.
The guy plays black music, badly
Bah! Ted Nugent is a bit of a nutjob but Strangelhold is a national treasure. And according to wiki, includes the 31st greatest guitar solo of all time.
Bob, it was wrong for lefties to use such language to describe Bush, why does it make it any less wrong for rightists to use even worse language to describe Obama?
Scott you need to google "racial mongrelization" if you don't understand how racist that statement was.
sorry, don't see how Ted can be defended on this one.
Lots of things that Ted could have called Obama without injecting that.
On the other hand, no matter what Ted said, the left would have claimed racism. Still doesn't excuse it.
Inga, are you unaware of the difference in amplitude?
Goodness gracious, it seems like a 24/7 job telling you lefties what racist jerks you are.
Which is worse?
Subhuman mongrel
or
Bushhitler?
or
Sarah Palin is not a real woman?
Yeah, because Uncle Tom is every bit as vile as sub human mongrel.
Let's see...which of these stories is at the top of CNN today? Hmmmm...
Chef Mojo said...
Sullivan, whose taste in music ossified with The Pet Shop Boys, WHAM! and Madonna, is hardly in a position to criticize Ted Nugent and American Rock n Roll.
No heterosexual man would defend Sullivan's taste in music, but you clearly didn't read the link, since this comment is irrelevant to his actual criticisms of Ted the man.
Can I still buy "Sarah Palin is a C**t" T-Shirts?
I can't google that because, you know, NSA and all.
The difference between leftists and rightists and over the top insults of the POTUS is that no lefty ever invited anyone who engaged in such insults to be their guests at the SOTU.
Rep. Steve Stockman, a political genius, no doubt pandering to the good people of Texas.
No heterosexual man would defend Sullivan's taste in music
Well, this heterosexual man is a big fan of the Pet Shop Boys and the other eleventy-zillion "gay British dudes with keyboards" bands of the late 80s and early 90s.
If liking "Opportunities" is wrong, I don't want to be right.
write this down, it might be the only time I ever agree with Inga. It's the "sub-human" part, coupled with "mongrel". I don't think that can be defended.
The difference between leftists and rightists and over the top insults of the POTUS is that no lefty ever invited anyone who engaged in such insults to be their guests at the SOTU.
Cindy Sheehan was invited to attend the 2006 SotU address by a Democratic Congresswoman, to give just one example.
Name calling.
The new worst thing ever.
The perfect excuse for a two minute hate.
We have a few "small" problems in this country, but name calling, yeah, that's the worst one.
Shall we all be neverending whining, crying titty babies like Crack? Really?
hahahahaha CNN as the arbiter of what is important or newsworthy. hahahahaha
The problem is with so-called responsible candidates and representatives who stand shoulder-to-shoulder with the namecallers.
Otherwise, yeah, it wouldn't be a big deal at all.
hahahahaha CNN as the arbiter of what is important or newsworthy. hahahahaha
The arbiter of where many indpendents and moderates get their news.
You no learn. Bye bye.
Tank the name calling is a only a symptom of a much greater real "big" problem we have in this country. Trying to minimize it's seriousness is telling.
Crack,
Your're assuming I'm a fan of the Nuge, musically. I'm not. Never have been. Could care less about his music and his influence is pretty minuscule. I wouldn't say he sucks, per se. He's just like a lot of guys coming out of Detroit back in the day with some songs and the balls to get on stage and perform them. Live their dream, y'know.
But that's not the point. Nuge has a relevancy now mostly to a huge fan base of 2nd Amendment and hunting advocates. This is on top of what is a rather large, and possibly misguided, musical fan base. Whether or not he's relevant as a musician has long ceased to be an issue. What he is now is a top class hunter with both bow and firearms who advocates putting what he would refer to as nature's bounty on the dinner table. He's remade himself as a rebellious outdoorsman, which is a quintessential American icon. He's living that life. People are drawn to that. They're also drawn to his no-bullshit presentation of his opinions. Some are even drawn to the music. He continues to tour live with regularity. People still come out to seen his shows, buy his music and have a good time. Not bad for a crappy Rock n Roller. Crack, you should be doing that well, eh?
This is where he stands a cultural icon now, and that's a real big thing in Texas, and throughout the West and Midwest, where that iconology is still valued and admired.
Revenant said...
Well, this heterosexual man is a big fan of the Pet Shop Boys and the other eleventy-zillion "gay British dudes with keyboards" bands of the late 80s and early 90s.
If liking "Opportunities" is wrong, I don't want to be right.
And now my 'grumpy' comment looks even worse. You are as gay (in the original playful, happy sense) as anyone I have ever met.
We have a few "small" problems in this country, but name calling, yeah, that's the worst one.
I am much more concerned with what the government is doing to try to chill free speech (FCC/IRS/etc) than what an aging, probably did way too many drugs rocker type says...but he was definately out of line. But, as I said, he's a nutjob and he's been that way for a while so I don't know why anyone would be surprised.
Inga, get real.
Louis Farrakhan had a lock on the term "sub-human" years ago in describing whites as a race.
And he really meant it in the way you only think Nugent meant it.
Tank the name calling is a only a symptom of a much greater real "big" problem we have in this country.
Democracy is a problem?
phx said... The problem is with so-called responsible candidates and representatives who stand shoulder-to-shoulder with the namecallers.
Otherwise, yeah, it wouldn't be a big deal at all.
2/21/14, 1:45 PM
Cher called Palin a cunt and she is a friend and supporter of Obama. Has Obama condemned that?
Mojo, did any Democrat invite Farrakhan to a SOTU?
Cher called Palin a cunt and she is a friend and supporter of Obama. Has Obama condemned that?
Again, which of these stories, Ted Nugent calling the Prez a subhuman mongrel or Cher calling Palin a c*nt is the American public talking about today? Which is at the top of CNN's list of new stories right now?
But good luck with that line of attack. I do think it's been tried before and found wanting, but try it again.
Mojo, did any Democrat invite Farrakhan to a SOTU?
Nah, just marched with him and accepted his endorsement for President. :)
The subhuman mongrels are the ones that voted for Obama.
Obama is just the pitchman.
Inga said...
Tank the name calling is a only a symptom of a much greater real "big" problem we have in this country. Trying to minimize it's seriousness is telling.
What is the big problem we have relating to Nugent calling Zero a name? Really = Stupid.
The guy has run up trillions of dollars of debt and I'm supposed to be worried about a name?
No.
Ted's just warming 'em up for the 2016 Republican debacle.
Ooooooh, some people don't like other people in this country.
Waaaaaaaaah.
Like every other country forever.
phx said "Again, which of these stories, Ted Nugent calling the Prez a subhuman mongrel or Cher calling Palin a c*nt is the American public talking about today? Which is at the top of CNN's list of new stories right now??
Some nut calls some politician a nut and some other nut calls a politician a nut and it's all equal?
The truth lies in-between? In the middle?
Where's the middle?
It was a vile thing to say. Don't know how anyone can defend it.
Wendy Davis must be waltzing across Texas in her little pink shoes.
Which is at the top of CNN's list of new stories right now??
How do we get from "CNN thinks it is important" to "it is important"?
CNN is run by and staffed by Democrats. It is a good place to tune in if you want to hear non-Democrats criticized, but a poor choice otherwise.
"The subhuman mongrels are the ones that voted for Obama.
Obama is just the pitchman."
2/21/14, 1:58 PM
Wow. More than 50% of Americans who voted in the last two elections are sub human mongrels? The sickness runs deep in this one.
Chef Mojo,
"People still come out to seen his shows, buy his music and have a good time. Not bad for a crappy Rock n Roller. Crack, you should be doing that well, eh?"
No, actually, that's one of the things I hate about the music world today - that's really the only option. No more Sid Barrett's, twiddling in their bedrooms, never to be seen. No more Steely Dan's, releasing albums without touring, allowing them to explore superior recording techniques and musical avenues. No more having to write good songs, even, when a novelty cut will go viral quicker.
People here have been teasing me about the state of my career, but I know they can't comprehend what's happened or where I fit in it. Or why I'm reluctant to re-enter it without financial backing that allows me control. I'm great onstage - can really hold a crowd - but I know what that's about, especially if you're good, and it's crushing WORK.
Not an endeavor to be rushed into or undertaken lightly - my talent ain't going away.
I can wait for the right opportunity,...
Notice CNN didn't dispute Nugent's characterization of Obama as a red-diaper communist who violates his oath to the constitution.
Bill Maher said something mean about Palin (I don't remember what --bitch?) and Obama refused to return Mahr's 1,000,000$ donation.
CNN is run by and staffed by Democrats. It is a good place to tune in if you want to hear non-Democrats criticized, but a poor choice otherwise.
That's where a lot of people, not just Dems, get their news, Rev. You must want to argue that this story is not important and no one's talking about it. Don't think so.
I'm confused about insults:
How about Joe Biden (who was at the SOTU, Inga):
"I mean, you got the first mainstream African-American who is articulate and bright and clean and a nice-looking guy. I mean, that's a storybook, man."
OK, on either a niceness or a déclassé scale of One to Ten, "subhuman mongrel" is up there, & on a "this will get a Republican (but not a Dem) in real political trouble" scale, it rates a Ten. But all those slurs on GOP Women & Blacks are pretty shabby also & somehow ignored by our Betters.
As several have noted, apparently one gets a pass for calling Sarah Palin a -unt.
PPS: Do we need an animal rights person here to defend mongrels?
Why do lefties keep coming here? I really wonder. They keep getting plastered, but I think they don't think that's happening. I think they think they're winning like Charlie Sheen.
The Professor keeps up a facade of friendliness toward lefties. That might help.
Anyway, keep coming! You weirdos are like fish in a barrel.
I agree with phx. This is the waters the republicans swim in.
I also agree with Rand Paul. Everytime someone raises these phony issues, the repub should pushback and remind everyone of past instances of democrats being hypocrites. Then the media will tire of the game.
Why do lefties keep coming here? I really wonder. They keep getting plastered, but I think they don't think that's happening.
I recall you guys smugly saying things like this right up through the evening of Nov 8, 2012.
P.K. Subban didn't play for team Canada today.
Crack Emcee: Those candians are racist
Bob, maybe Althouse thinks that her blog being an echo chamber would be boring. What I find amusing is that you think as a righty, that you have more standing to be here than a lefty. As I recall it, it irritated Althouse on several occasions when her blog was referred to as a "conservative" blog by certain journalists.
Ted Nugent has also admitted to having sex with underage girls....total family values pube.
The republican party is the party of Nugent, Hank Williams, Duck Dynasty, Homo Haters, Southerners and Christianist=no more national elections 4 u.
Red States you will win big time though.
phx said Why do lefties keep coming here? I really wonder. They keep getting plastered, but I think they don't think that's happening.
I recall you guys smugly saying things like this right up through the evening of Nov 8, 2012.
I was probably one of those. I thought Romney would win. It seemed impossible to me that Obama, with his terrible record, could win again. I'm still trying to understand that, and for the most part, I think it was a failure of imagination on my part.
But 11/8/12 was not a victory. It was a failure. You lefties have to answer for it. Please tell me the answer.
"Call them what you would like to call them, what you are longing to. Give free license to your creative engergies."
-- So, uh, how come this "one person in a group said a bad thing, so they all must want to say it" standard never works when Democrats say racist, stupid, mean things?
Inga, you're stupid. Shut up.
"CNN is run by and staffed by Democrats. It is a good place to tune in if you want to hear non-Democrats criticized, but a poor choice otherwise."
That's where a lot of people, not just Dems, get their news, Rev.
Their viewership is in the hundreds of thousands and is fifty percent Democrats. So it is fair to say it is where several hundred thousand Americans get their news.
Whether a tenth of a percent of America can be called "a lot", well... :)
Bob Ellison, why so peeved? Do lefties rain on your parade? Poor Bobby.
Shanna said...
...than what an aging, probably did way too many drugs rocker type says...
Ted Nugent is a very vocal anti-drug advocate. I believe he has always been so. And I've never anyone dispute his clean reputation.
But what he said was vile. I've never been a big fan of his ( or anyone else really ) and don't like the Republican politicians who think they need their own celebrity endorsements to compete with the Democrats.
Matthew Sablan,
So, uh, how come this "one person in a group said a bad thing, so they all must want to say it" standard never works when Democrats say racist, stupid, mean things?
Why must that always be the question? I'm a Republican and I want to know why it always comes down to a counter-challenge, rather than a simple admission of guilt?
The Right is currently losing - badly - try new strategies because the old ones ain't working.
RecChief said...
P.K. Subban didn't play for team Canada today.
Crack Emcee: Those candians are racist
They held slaves and kept the black origins of hockey a secret, so yeah, I agree.
Ted Nugent is a very vocal anti-drug advocate.
Is he indeed? Was he in the 70's?
That was just my impression from his way of speaking, I guess. And also the fact that he played rock in the 70's. I have not exactly read any bio's so I will defer to you on this point.
I was probably one of those. I thought Romney would win. It seemed impossible to me that Obama, with his terrible record, could win again. I'm still trying to understand that, and for the most part, I think it was a failure of imagination on my part.
Sure, sure, I understand that! That's good evidence of valuable introspective soul searching.
Now add just a dash of humility before squeezing off one of those "They're getting plastered but I think they don't think that" comments and my respect and affection will know no bounds.
"I'm a Republican and I want to know why it always comes down to a counter-challenge, rather than a simple admission of guilt?"
-- Because there's really nothing else to do but point out the charge is logically unsound. It implies ALL Republicans are secret racists, yearning for the day they can return to their KKK/Democrat roots.
That's... it's just not rational, or logical. I don't care about "winning" a political argument. I'm trying to honestly understand the people putting *forward* the flawed arguments. What is the difference they see? Am I -missing- their logic? Have I overlooked something -- or is it really just a flaccid attempt at poisoning the well?
I want to understand; I'm not going to get that way by trying to pretend like a bad argument is a good one. The argument is flawed; it is not well founded. Until I can see WHY it is well founded, I see no reason to do anything else with the argument BUT question it.
Think of it like a game; if I can beat a game only using one move -- why learn the rest? The argument "All Republicans are secret racists," is just a chant, some sort of little meme or mnemonic device or social signalling -- it can't be what people REALLY believe.
Or, if it is, I want to know WHY.
-- So, uh, how come this "one person in a group said a bad thing, so they all must want to say it" standard never works when Democrats say racist, stupid, mean things?
I don't know. Maybe we should talk about how you could make that work for you. Because it's really not.
don't like the Republican politicians who think they need their own celebrity endorsements to compete with the Democrats
Ted Nugent is a lose canon (this is hardly the first time he's said something similar), so I definately think any politician who would officially bring him into a campaign is not thinking straight.
As for the other, yes, republicans are not really going to win a competion based on celebrity supporters. However, they do need people to play at the RNC and some celebrities voluntarily campaign for the people they believe in, which is their right - just as much as it is yours or mine. So, I'm not sure what the best way to handle it is...
it can't be what people REALLY believe.
They do. It doesn't have to be logical.
"Maybe we should talk about how you could make that work for you."
-- So it is just a thing said because it is effective at making Republicans look like bad guys?
Also, the ugly rocker, said this a few weeks ago; not years ago.
The sex with an underage girl, that he has admitted to, is what is even more disturbing....but it's ok, he's cool.
When one person says something disgusting, regardless of party, why is it so difficult for members of that party to even call it out...sad.
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Shanna: Not so sure on that; note that Phx didn't say "because it's true for one and not the other." Rather, it is purely utilitarian. It doesn't work for Republicans, but it works for Democrats.
Now, if Phx ALSO believes all Republicans are secret racists, fine. We can work with that, but right now, it sounds like it is just a political tool to make people angry at Republicans.
So it is just a thing said because it is effective at making Republicans look like bad guys?
Well that's the only angle I'VE been looking at it from. I'm sure other people have different angles and different concerns. But personally, I'm not offended by Ted at all.
I think this is the angle you Republican strategic planners need to focus on right now. That's just my opinion of course.
See, this is a useful data point. It isn't a real belief [so, people parroting it aren't just illogical/angry people.]
Rather, it's a rational attempt to make people hate each other, angling for political gain from the fallout.
Depressing, but hey, at least it is rational.
Republicans have become their own worst enemy, Democrats don't have to lift a finger to discredit them, all we have to do is wait, and not even that long.
I can't believe anyone would defend this clown. His previous statements have been the usual unhinged crap but now he goes for straight up blatant racism. Rand Paul was right to condemn him, and shame on those who didn't.
And for those of us who have legitimate beef with Obama's actions as president, this kind of thing is especially damaging because it gives yet more fuel to the Obamaphiles who say there's racism behind all our critiques. Complete rot, of course, but Nugent's bigoted crap just gives them ammo.
And while Nugent shouldn't be relevant politically--nor should any other entertainer--he certainly gets more respect from Republicans than he deserves. He's been on the campaign trail for Greg Abbott in TX, and was a congress mans guest at a state of the union speech. Wonderful. What, are they actually trying to get 0% of the black vote? Is this what has become of the party of Lincoln?
The comment was just plain disgusting. Obama should be shamed for many things but his race isn't one of them. And any complaints that "the Democrats do this too!" --well, that's supposed to excuse it?
I don't even have to get to the question of how horrible Ted's statement is from a civil point of view.
Just looking at it as a strategic political problem and a harbinger of more to come is more than enough to keep me busy with Republican defenders.
Do you want to talk about it as a moral issue? That's different.
"Republicans have become their own worst enemy, Democrats don't have to lift a finger to discredit them, all we have to do is wait, and not even that long."
-- So, do you honestly believe that Nugent is representative of Republicans? Do you believe all Republicans are secret racists?
Or, is this purely a political game to stir up hate towards people you dislike? I'm trying to understand the logic behind how this works, so, help me out.
phx, imagine that you think the way I do. It's trying, I know.
Now imagine that you actually think that the policies I endorse are actually good for humans and the Earth.
Very trying.
Try, though. I try to understand how lefties think. Lefties usually seem to assume that righties are evil and stupid. I can argue the opposite on both counts if you like, but I won't go there right now.
Try to assume that we actually believe what we say.
See, does anyone remember the guy who talked about killing all white people? He was something in government, a Democrat, I believe.
No one would even pretend that his views are representative of all African-Americans or of all Democrats.
So, why does Nugent saying something less offensive -- why does that inspire people to insinuate "all Republicans are secret racists?"
Is it just because hate works, and hey, politics ain't beanbag?
Matthew, by what I've read here and elsewhere, Nugent seems to be a representative of too many rightists. Not enough rightists are coming out to distance themselves from him and make him be what he really should be to decent people, a pariah. What kind of public servant would invite such a person to a SOTU address, or accompany him on stage during a political campaign for Governor?
Is he indeed? Was he in the 70's?
Nugent has always been anti-alcohol and anti-drug.
Matthew Sablan,
"It implies ALL Republicans are secret racists, yearning for the day they can return to their KKK/Democrat roots."
I don't think that's true - we speak colloquially - I just pointed out to Ann today (on the thread about climate change) how lame that criticism is because it doesn't address the problem at all.
Are "all" Republicans racist? Of course not, but have they made a home for racists to hide in? Most definitely, and if they're not about rooting them out, we're done.
"That's... it's just not rational, or logical. I don't care about "winning" a political argument. I'm trying to honestly understand the people putting *forward* the flawed arguments. What is the difference they see? Am I -missing- their logic? Have I overlooked something -- or is it really just a flaccid attempt at poisoning the well?"
You're missing their argument, which can summed up by saying MLK told us to leave the Republican Party until it rooted out it's racists. It hasn't. It has preferred to deny they're there. This won't work any longer. We're done debating it. I'm still a Republican but I've been withholding my vote. "I want to understand; I'm not going to get that way by trying to pretend like a bad argument is a good one. The argument is flawed; it is not well founded. Until I can see WHY it is well founded, I see no reason to do anything else with the argument BUT question it."
George Bush: "If you're not with us, you're with the terrorists." Shout the racists down. Make them crawl out of their holes and chop their heads off. If you're letting your fellow man suffer, just to protect a principle, what good is it? I'm supposed to follow "Republicans don't attack Republicans" but fuck that - the shit's got to stop. Sitting with the people playing cat-and-mouse with race, and then saying you won't do anything but heckle their marks, because they (mistakenly?) said "everybody" was in on it, doesn't make much logical sense, either, does it? "Think of it like a game; if I can beat a game only using one move -- why learn the rest? The argument "All Republicans are secret racists," is just a chant, some sort of little meme or mnemonic device or social signalling -- it can't be what people REALLY believe."
No, you're extrapolating to much from it. We are products of a culture. A culture we don't like to face. A culture that, to a large extent, has been hidden to us. "Or, if it is, I want to know WHY."
They believe it because it's true - this IS a racist country. It can't be avoided. The Dems have their brand of it as well. But, right now, the Republican flavor is making a lot of head-way - for the Democrats - so, if you give a damn about the Right, those of us trying to get us back on the right side of history (freed the slaves, etc.) need your help.
Inga said "Matthew, by what I've read here and elsewhere, Nugent seems to be a representative of too many rightists. Not enough rightists are coming out to distance themselves from him and make him be what he really should be to decent people, a pariah."
Oh, he's my guy. Ted Nugent speaks for me 100%. If you don't hear from me saying I disagree with what he said, then you can paint me as a KKK member.
The stupidity, it runs deep with the lefties.
So, why does Nugent saying something less offensive -- why does that inspire people to insinuate "all Republicans are secret racists?"
Matthew, you have GOP candidates stumping with the guy, right? That's yer problem right there!
Crack: Except, I'm NOT defending any racists. That's the problem with everything you've laid out; Republicans routinely police their own. Unless we're being asked to proactively pre-police people, I just don't see what more is to be done.
"Matthew, you have GOP candidates stumping with the guy, right? That's yer problem right there!"
-- Jesse Jackson is still accepted in polite company, and has said some pretty offensive things as well. So, yeah. I'm not understanding this: Is it only a thing against Republicans because it works and instills some extra hate in the electorate towards people you don't want to win?
Matthew, if you think Republicans are doing a good job of policing their own, I've got a bridge to sell you.
"Matthew, if you think Republicans are doing a good job of policing their own, I've got a bridge to sell you."
-- What do you want them to do? Kill someone? Seriously, Republicans routinely call out other Republicans when they say stupid things. You're willfully blind if you don't see it.
Matthew Sablan,
Jesse Jackson is still accepted in polite company, and has said some pretty offensive things as well.
Yeah, and Jesse jackson was standing right there when MLK was shot, so excuse me if I give him a pass when it comes to grievance. Even occasionally misguided grievance. I understand. He's carried this country sometimes, and you guys treat him like you did the work for him when the truth was he was cursed all the way.
"So, yeah. I'm not understanding this: Is it only a thing against Republicans because it works and instills some extra hate in the electorate towards people you don't want to win?"
No - I'm a Republican - it's 400 years of historically documented fact. The Republicans once played a major role in American life and now they've lost the plot. They can't blame the Democrats.
They can only blame themselves.
Matthew,
The first step could be never ever being seen with or associating with Nugent.
So, yeah. I'm not understanding this: Is it only a thing against Republicans because it works and instills some extra hate in the electorate towards people you don't want to win?
You aren't alone. It's pretty apparent the GOP has not got this understood this yet either. And it costs them big time, IMO.
Titus is spot on at 2:20 pm.
Is he indeed? Was he in the 70's?
Nugent has always been anti-alcohol and anti-drug.
Hmm. I don't know why he's like this then.
Flat out, anybody that uses a term like 'sub human' about anybody needs to be put down, hard. That kind of shit is dangerous.
The first step could be never ever being seen with or associating with Nugent.
Why does a Democrat have to prescribe this simple over-the-counter cure for your ailment? Can't you figure it out yourself?
"He's carried this country sometimes, and you guys treat him like you did the work for him when the truth was he was cursed all the way."
-- I think of him as something of a tragic hero, honestly. I'm just not sure what the cut-off is -- at what point does someone enter Nugent "must be shunned for eternity" and when do they get a pass?
There's no consistency here.
"It's pretty apparent the GOP has not got this understood this yet either. And it costs them big time, IMO."
-- Except, not really. That list Titus gives -- there are equally abhorrent people on the left. It's just the right fails to effectively weaponize it against the left; is that really all it is though?
Flat out, anybody that uses a term like 'sub human' about anybody needs to be put down, hard. That kind of shit is dangerous.
Matthew, you're a good guy. You're not dumb, are you? Don't you get it?
"Why does a Democrat have to prescribe this simple over-the-counter cure for your ailment?"
-- I give up. The people on the left seem to not care about explaining things. I get it: Some people on the right are bad. Total ostracization is the only acceptable choice for the right; for the bad people on the left, well, since the right doesn't make people who, you know, killed people, like Bill Ayers, radioactive enough, since the right doesn't stoke the hate fires enough, fair's fair that they can't get the left to cannibalize their own.
"Matthew, you're a good guy. You're not dumb, are you? Don't you get it?"
-- I've yet to defend Nugent; I don't care about him. I'm trying to address the differing standards and understand WHY it works only one way. You've provided an answer: Because people on the left don't really believe it, but see it as a useful political lever.
Matthew Sablan,
There's no consistency here.
Sure there is. You don't have a starting point.
How bad guy status shifted from Dem to Repub is another story, but we've got a starting point.
"Don't you get it? "
PHX, please explain then.
Crack has refused my request, please go ahead and explain IT.
Yeah, and Jesse jackson was standing right there when MLK was shot, so excuse me if I give him a pass when it comes to grievance
James Bevel was standing right there when MLK was shot. Does he get a pass for raping his daughters? :)
Jesse Jackson was a tireless advocate for Jesse Jackson's interests -- civil rights for black people being one such interest, of course, since guess what color Jackson is?
Having been a hanger-on to a real hero doesn't give him a pass for all the harm he has done to others -- black people very much included -- over the years.
"Subhuman mongrel" is aptly described by Ted as streetfighter terminology...the streets of Munich c.1930. Ted is a real streetfighter.
Nugent should not have apologized. The apologizing ritual is always a mistake. Better to say nothing, or simply extend one's middle finger at full length while uttering the relevant profanities and curses.
The slightest hint of weakness attracts the Mau-Mauers like flies to shit. Witness Crack.
I like some of Nugent's music. He's pretty funny a lot of times, too.
Killing and Grilling is a very good idea.
Matthew,
"I'm trying to address the differing standards and understand WHY it works only one way."
Whites turned slavery into a blacks-only affair while proclaiming all men are created equal, this is why blacks have little accumulated wealth today.
The Dems were the bad guys until Barry Goldwater came along and MLK said to leave the party, so blacks did and never came back, because the Republicans haven't cared - they just did what they had to, to win.
That gamble, that the party could lie down with this country's racists, is now paying off.
They lost,...
I don't think you guys read the story. It's pretty funny. Nugent's first attempt is the best.
"I do apologize–not necessarily to the President–but on behalf of much better men than myself"
And then
Later on...asked Nugent if he was directly apologizing to the President for the comments.
"Yes," Nugent replied.
No groveling here!
And what is "streetfighter terminology" anyway?
Is that how guys talk to each other before they fight in the streets?
Hey you subhuman mongrel, I'm gonna kick you ass!
Great stuff!
Inga said...
Matthew,
The first step could be never ever being seen with or associating with Nugent.
You'd think those whose side associates with Al Sharpton would try to set a standard distinguishing between he and Nugent. But being a leftist means simply ignoring your own failures.
For those keeping score, deaths caused by:
Nugent - zero.
Sharpton - seven.
For the youngsters among us, let me advise you that Crack's Mau-Mauing act has been with us my entire life (over six decades), and probably long before that, too.
The sensible Mau-Mauers are looking for a no-show government job or grant. The Black Panthers in Chicago, back in the 60s, convinced the Dems to give them cash for, you guessed it, "community organizing!"
Many of the Panthers had a side job as an FBI informant against other party members and as general snitches against rival drug gang members and pimps.
What in the hell Crack's looking for is anybody's guess.
The Mau-Mauers always say that there's just one more debt to be collected from Whitey, but a new debt always appears in the place of the old one.
The Race Man act never goes away. Crack is, it seems, a volunteer. What an odd thing to do for free.
That gamble, that the party could lie down with this country's racists, is now paying off.
The Democrats defended slavery, and split this country in two to try and defend it. The Republican Party was formed to oppose slavery.
The Republicans wrote and passed the Civil Rights Amendments, which were opposed by the Democrats.
Democrats imposed Jim Crow and segregation on Blacks and lynched Blacks for decades.
All those governors and cops keeping Blacks out of White schools, and setting dogs and fire hoses on Blacks were Democrats.
Democrats want to treat Black people as a group defined by their color, Republicans want to treat them as individuals.
But the Republicans are the racists..........
That gamble, that the party could lie down with this country's racists, is now paying off.
I am kind of amused by the idea of Democratic strategists thinking "ah HAH! Ted Nugent said something that sounded racist! Those Republicans are in big trouble now!"
That's the plan for 2016, is it? Interesting. ;)
@Revenant
We seem to have reached an harmonic convergence!
Something has to be wrong!
It's painful!
Marshal,
Being a leftist means simply ignoring your own failures.
Not being a leftist, I wouldn't know, but being black tells me you give Al no context for those failures - or his successes - as though they occurred in Disneyland where nobody gets hurt and life is an E-Ticket. Is that it?
While you're so eager to keep a running tally, would you care to tell us a bit about him and why - without resorting to racist shit - Sharpton is so important to the black community?
Please, tell us what you know about Al Sharpton - excluding what you've told us already.
I'll wait. I know Google takes a while,...
Al Sharpton: Knockout games- the biggest form of cowardice.
Ted Nugent: Obama is a sub human mongrel.
Gahrie,
But the Republicans are the racists......….
Gee, blacks have a choice between listening to MLK or listening to Gahrie.
What do you think they're doing?
The Right is currently losing - badly
Perception does not always equal reality.
Brando said...
The comment was just plain disgusting. Obama should be shamed for many things but his race isn't one of them. And any complaints that "the Democrats do this too!" --well, that's supposed to excuse it?
It doesn't excuse Nugent. It highlights that those - like phx and Inga - who claim the right generally is guilty for Nugent's comments are doing so solely for partisan purposes. They obviously don't believe guilt smears as a general principle, it only smears the right.
EMD said...
The Right is currently losing - badly
Perception does not always equal reality.
Last major election won?
A mayoralty in lily white San Diego.
Other than that?
You got dick.
Here we go again with Crack's Race Man act!
Open All Night!
Fortunately, I've got something better to do. My toilet needs cleaning.
Nothing worse than stale shit.
Shouting Thomas,
Nothing worse than stale shit.
Then why do you keep PLAYING it?
Al Sharpton: Knockout games- the biggest form of cowardice.
Ted Nugent: Obama is a sub human mongrel.
Personally, my favorite Al Sharpton quotes were the ones where he falsely accused a guy of rape and had to pay $65,000 in damages for defamation of character. :)
I like Greg Abbott better now.
There was an election in 2012 Crack. Dems lost the House, remember?
The UAW couldn't unionize a factory when the Huns basically told their workers to Vote Union.
The Left has lost its luster in large part because it's become the party of whiners and hypocrites.
The Buck-Stops-Anyplace-But-Here half-cracker President is a big part of that.
I apologize for calling Obama a subhuman mongrel, I meant to say he is a fucking asshole.
Maybe, instead of using the term "subhuman," Nugent should have said "untermensch."
It worked for Nietzche.
Until he went insane.
Illuninati said...
I like Greg Abbott better now.
And Ted Nugent as mascot/spokesman does increase the appeal of the Republican party for one sector of our society. The question is whether this narrow appeal doesn't end up hurting the party's national electoral ambitions.
In the linked video, Ted Cruz wouldn't condemn Ted Nugent or Greg Abbott. Good for Mr. Cruz for not giving the race baiters and haters on the left anything whatsoever.
Crack: "lily white san diego."
Lol
It doesnt get much dumber than that, though I do expect him to try.
Must be all those white hispanics.
Back to nugent: his comments were not acceptable. At all. The term mongrel has a long and sordid history and nugent threw it out there. The macaca incident was a farce. This is not.
Its really that simple.
And Ted Nugent as mascot/spokesman does increase the appeal of the Republican party for one sector of our society. The question is whether this narrow appeal doesn't end up hurting the party's national electoral ambitions.
By the time 2016 rolls around, this will be fairly irrelevant, unless it happens again.
Inga said...
Al Sharpton: Knockout games- the biggest form of cowardice.
Ted Nugent: Obama is a sub human mongrel.
Shockingly Inga discovered the best thing Sharpton ever said is less vile than the worst thing Nugent ever said.
Amusingly she thinks that comparison probative.
Drago said:
"Back to nugent: his comments were not acceptable. At all. The term mongrel has a long and sordid history and nugent threw it out there. The macaca incident was a farce. This is not"
Since I know very little about Ted Nugent, I can't judge him by one sound bite. Ted Nugent is not running for office so I have no obligation to waste time trying to determine what he meant by his choice of words. Perhaps he meant it in a racist way, perhaps not.
"Perhaps he meant it in a racist way, perhaps not. "
Either way, it was a Goddamned stupid thing to say if you're trying to get somebody elected Governor.
You ran the night that you left me
You put me in my place
I got you in a stranglehold, baby
That night I crushed your face
If the best thing Sharpton has said is "Knockout games- the biggest form of cowardice", he's even more pathetic than I thought. Knockout games are evil, vicious, criminal, and racist, and would be just as bad if they weren't also cowardly. Is Sharpton saying that it's OK for young thugs to punch out unsuspecting elderly people of other races if they do it face-to-face and give them a warning before punching? That would definitely be less cowardly, but it's still evil, vicious, criminal, racist violence.
I'm sure Babykiller Barbie will surge to a double digit victory in her Governors race now.
I'm also sure that Inga will start posting reasonable and logical fact based arguments.
Finally, I'm sure that Crack will stop calling people racists constantly while pathetically pimping his completely unviewed blog on Althouse.
All thanks to Ted Nugent.
Al Sharpton on the knockout games
Weevil,
Read it for yourself before putting words in his mouth.
I just quoted what you quoted, Igna. Even if Sharpton said more about it, you thought his calling it "cowardly" was enough to ennoble him, which makes you a moron. Well, not "makes", but illustrates just what a kneejerk leftie fool you are.
Weevil you did no such thing, which makes you as small as the insect that is your moniker. I know that it's difficult for some of you to step away from your racism for just one moment.
Paco Wové said...
"Either way, it was a Goddamned stupid thing to say if you're trying to get somebody elected Governor."
Probably everyone says something stupid at times. Sound bites are a poor way to judge someone. I like Gregg Abbott because he is not letting the haters and race baiters on the left have their way with him.
Gee, I quote exactly what Igna(ramus) said Sharpton said, and even started my comment with an "IF", and that's not good enough for Igna. If she thought other parts were more pertinent, maybe she should have quoted them.
I read the linked piece: he said a lot of harsh things about the knockout game, but there are two huge gutless evasions:
(a) He summed up at the end by calling it "cowardly", which misses the point entirely, as I have pointed out, and the headline goes along with that.
(b) His suggestions for dealing with the problem are pathetic: "These kids must be held accountable, and then they must receive the right guidance and mentorship to halt any further damage." These "kids" don't need "guidance" after they've killed or maimed someone, they need to be in jail for a long time. Guidance is for those who are thinking of taking up the knockout "game". Seeing those who have already done so go to jail would be better guidance than a tough talking-to from someone with Sharpton's record.
Inga said...
"...I know that it's difficult for some of you to step away from your racism for just one moment."
Said by the woman who is as pure as fresh snow.
One more thing, "step away from your racism"? You want to try to come up with one single piece of evidence for my supposed "racism", Igna? One piece, that's all I ask.
lily white san diego
Apparently lilies are only 40% white. Who knew?
I'll have to readjust my metaphors accordingly.
Mr. Nugent....
Please stop acting like a liberal.
They say such things about conservatives all the time but there is no reason to sink to their level.
I'm gonna go hang out with my Chinese, Black, Kanaka, Laos and Mexican brothers and have some fun.
That's how racist I am.
I am SO racist, I was made an honorary Mexican by my Chicano bro's with whom I used to party with in the service.
Crack, you can take your racist bullshit white guilt crap and shove it up your ass.
No one but idiot, self hating whites are buying what you are selling anymore, as more and more people realize that it is a big racist con game.
The only open racist I've encountered here is you. And you are too full of hate to see what you've become.
I am SOO racist I absolutely adore my sons Mexican fiancé and cannot wait to meet her family.
Her family believes in hard work and have been quite successful here in Racist Amerikka.
And yes, I am plenty smart enough to see through the racially convenient and one sided bullshit you are parading around here, Mr. Emcee.
I am actually living in the pan racial world that has left people like Crack behind to stew in his own hate, like some bitter KKKer still pissed off the schools got desegregated.
What was that Oprah said about the old racists? Oh yea that they'll just die off.
I'm lovin' it.
I condemn Hitchens for his Reagan is a lizard not human quotes as I defend Obama today.
Nobody is sub human.
Humans are in many cases just horrible people the world is better off without, like those who feed other humans to pigs or starve other humans to death for fun and profit.
You watch ID TV and you'll get your &$$ clued in in short time.
AReasonableMan wrote:
Sullivan gets to the heart of this particular matter. Why is it so hard for Republicans to separate themselves from this lunatic? The guy plays black music, badly, and then, having made a living as a minstrel, pisses on the very people who gave him a comfortable living.
Stranglehold sounds black to you? How many black fans do you think Ted had back in his heyday?m y guess is a lot more white listened to Hendrix than blacks listened to the Nuge.
"Crack Emcee: Those candians are racist
They held slaves and kept the black origins of hockey a secret, so yeah, I agree."
That's awesome, Crack. Thanks.
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Inga said...
Al Sharpton: Knockout games- the biggest form of cowardice.
Ted Nugent: Obama is a sub human mongrel.
if were going to judge Sharpton on his words at least judge him on his negative words since you're judging Nugent on his.
I'd go with with his white interloper speech back when he helped incite a riot that led to the death of a Jewish guy.
"We will not stand by and allow them to move this brother so that some white interloper can expand his business."
Imagine if this was down south and a black business was in a predominantly white neighborhood and the local rednecks incited a riot by saying "we wil not stand by and allow them to move this white man so,that some black interloper can expand his business."
The liberal preoccupation with the opinion of pop culture icons (former or present) is completely insane but explains how nimrods like jesse ventura and al franken got elected.
The Crack Emcee = Gresham's law for racism.
And here's where that actually hurts.
jr565 said...
Stranglehold sounds black to you?
From the 'man' himself. Ted Nugent - 'Say it loud: my music is black and I'm proud!'
Tom Gallagher said...
The liberal preoccupation with the opinion of pop culture icons
You are aware that it is the fawning behavior of Republican politicians towards Nugent that is at issue here?
From the 'man' himself. Ted Nugent - 'Say it loud: my music is black and I'm proud!'
Well, he's HALF right...
ARM: You are aware that it is the fawning behavior of Republican politicians towards Nugent that is at issue here?
The issue, at least from CNN's point of view is biased opinion and guilt by association masquerading as news; can't you at least recognize that?
Tom Gallagher said...
The issue, at least from CNN's point of view is biased opinion and guilt by association masquerading as news; can't you at least recognize that?
No one would give a flying shit about Nugent if Republican politicians didn't seek out his attentions in order to promote themselves.
Revenant said...
From the 'man' himself. Ted Nugent - 'Say it loud: my music is black and I'm proud!'
Well, he's HALF right…
I agree. While his music may be the comic book version of rhythm and blues I wonder if much of his bashing of African Americans doesn't arise from a deep sense of shame at his own lack of creativity.
it is the fawning behavior of Republican politicians towards Nugent that is at issue here?
Normally I'd have pinged you for the use of hyperbole. But then I read the Sullivan article you linked and thought "eh, I'll grade on a curve".
Revenant said...
Normally I'd have pinged you for the use of hyperbole. But then I read the Sullivan article you linked and thought "eh, I'll grade on a curve".
My gratitude truly knows no bounds.
AReasonableMan said...
Sullivan gets to the heart of this particular matter.
I read it. Sullivan is mostly "eliminationist" rhetoric himself -- singing the praises of inserting sundry things in places most people use to eliminate waste.
Sigh.
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