All four cities went for Obama in 2008 and 2012, in a state led by Rick Perry. And the biggest city in Texas (Houston) is a multicultural city where the oil and gas industry is still king and is led by a mayor who is a lesbian and a liberal Democrat. Things work in Texas, in a manner that confounds many ideologues on the left and right.
The fifth one is in Oklahoma City, sort of a distant suburb of DFW.
I was very surprised by the low number of middle-skill jobs in New Orleans. DFW is listed with over 900,000 of these jobs, while NO has fewer than 200,000.
but I remember being told, during the last election, that all of Texas' jobs were part time McJobs. You don't think the media, such as Ezra Klein and others, made up those charts, graphs, and statistics just to help one candidate do you?
"somefeller said...All four cities went for Obama in 2008 and 2012, in a state led by Rick Perry."
A very good point. Even though the people in those cities voted against their best interests at a national level, state level policies benefited them when it came to jobs.
Glad to see you are starting to use your vaunted upper middle class intelligence and coming around.
Or are you suggesting that the city not state government actions are what is attracting jobs? If so, make the argument. Try. Please.
Central-city Houston went for Obama, but the Houston MSA (which is what the study was actually looking at) was 56-44 for Romney. I'd guess that Austin is the only top finisher where the area as a whole went for Obama.
somefeller said... All four cities went for Obama in 2008 and 2012, in a state led by Rick Perry. And the biggest city in Texas (Houston) is a multicultural city where the oil and gas industry is still king and is led by a mayor who is a lesbian and a liberal Democrat. Things work in Texas, in a manner that confounds many ideologues on the left and right.
When you understand how wealth works it isn't confounding at all.
Of the 8 counties that make up the Houston metropolitan area, only the largest, Harris County, "went for" Obama in 2012 - he won there by a whopping 585 votes. All the other counties gave Romney anywhere from 53% to 80% of their votes. And that includes Ft. Bend county (53% R) which is the most diverse county in the country. Diverse suburbs! Who coulda thunk it!
David Davenport: comparing Houston to inner city Chicago? I've learned in my 20+ years in Texas to be polite, so all I will say to that is "aren't you sweet!"
Your profoundly ignorant comment implying that the political makeup of a city - that they went for Obama in elections - is what attracts job versus your mention of Rick Perry's statewide governance is bald evidence of being an ideologue.
As far as demanding answers...you could try to defend or explain your comment implying the ascendance of the city voting habits versus over policies when talking attracting jobs or not. I don't expect you to be able to. I realize it was just a kneejerk nonsensical statement reflecting your annoyance at what Texas accomplishes. Just saying it was snark lets you off the hook, is understandable, and something I would actually find tongue in cheek humorous.
Or you could wait until Inga weighs in telling you sure showed them. Her support always impresses everyone and historically you seem to think it ups your game by default.
I've lived in Blue city Minneapolis and red state, high plains, Texas (where I currently reside.
In many ways, Texas is a rough place, but there are a million chances. If I was young and poor with questionable skills but wanted to make a real go of it, as opposed to just accepting the government dime for the rest of my life, I'd have a better shot in Texas. . . . And this isn't some kind of abstract statement. I own property in the hispanic area of my town and make a point of getting to know the people who live on either side and have given them my contact information should they have an issue with maintenance or behavior, etc. One of them is a hispanic girl in her twenties - a single mom - who was able to scrape together enough $ to buy the run down craftsman to my right. She's been renovating a bit at a time and it's starting to look good. The guy across the street, Israel, bought TWO lots, I' m sure for next to nothing, since the house was abandoned, and is also completely redoing it a bit at a time. These are the kinds of places where you REALLY CAN start with next to nothing and make enough, even at a very low wage, to pull yourself up. Hard, but doable - no pity involved.
Liberal pundits and other liberal voices in Texas know full well the only reason they can remain pundits and continue to lecture their flocks on why liberalism and Obama are good and conservatism and Rick Perry and others are bad rather than being forced into becoming baristas and lecturing only coffee cups instead is the business-friendly laws and regulations Texas conservatives put in practice and maintain.
The reason their readers and listeners may not grasp this is because, in Texas, liberalism is just another well-paying middle class job-supporting urban business service, not a seriously viable political ideology.
When you understand how wealth works it isn't confounding at all.
Absolutely right, Rusty. When you understand how wealth works (hint, hint, statewide politics and policies matter but are only one part of a much bigger economic story), it isn't confounding at all. But alas, many ideologues of all persuasions don't get that and they sputter accordingly.
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Hmmm. All in red states.
Curious.
Indiana is the only place that isn't in the South or Mountain West.
Its claim to a place? losing 1.1% of its middle class jobs.
All four cities went for Obama in 2008 and 2012, in a state led by Rick Perry. And the biggest city in Texas (Houston) is a multicultural city where the oil and gas industry is still king and is led by a mayor who is a lesbian and a liberal Democrat. Things work in Texas, in a manner that confounds many ideologues on the left and right.
The fifth one is in Oklahoma City, sort of a distant suburb of DFW.
I was very surprised by the low number of middle-skill jobs in New Orleans. DFW is listed with over 900,000 of these jobs, while NO has fewer than 200,000.
but I remember being told, during the last election, that all of Texas' jobs were part time McJobs. You don't think the media, such as Ezra Klein and others, made up those charts, graphs, and statistics just to help one candidate do you?
/sarc off
"somefeller said...All four cities went for Obama in 2008 and 2012, in a state led by Rick Perry."
A very good point. Even though the people in those cities voted against their best interests at a national level, state level policies benefited them when it came to jobs.
Glad to see you are starting to use your vaunted upper middle class intelligence and coming around.
Or are you suggesting that the city not state government actions are what is attracting jobs? If so, make the argument. Try. Please.
"I have good news and bad news. The good news is they're hiring. The bad news is they're in Texas!"
Speaking of easily confounded ideologues, B stumbles in. And. He. Demands. Answers.
New Orleans is only in the list because of the Katrina rebuild efforts.
And still, socialist idiots want to turn Texas blue! Fuck you, blue state losers!
And the biggest city in Texas (Houston) is a multicultural city
Yes, "multicultural" in the same sense that inner city Chicago is "multicultural."
Central-city Houston went for Obama, but the Houston MSA (which is what the study was actually looking at) was 56-44 for Romney. I'd guess that Austin is the only top finisher where the area as a whole went for Obama.
somefeller said...
All four cities went for Obama in 2008 and 2012, in a state led by Rick Perry. And the biggest city in Texas (Houston) is a multicultural city where the oil and gas industry is still king and is led by a mayor who is a lesbian and a liberal Democrat. Things work in Texas, in a manner that confounds many ideologues on the left and right.
When you understand how wealth works it isn't confounding at all.
Of the 8 counties that make up the Houston metropolitan area, only the largest, Harris County, "went for" Obama in 2012 - he won there by a whopping 585 votes. All the other counties gave Romney anywhere from 53% to 80% of their votes. And that includes Ft. Bend county (53% R) which is the most diverse county in the country. Diverse suburbs! Who coulda thunk it!
David Davenport: comparing Houston to inner city Chicago? I've learned in my 20+ years in Texas to be polite, so all I will say to that is "aren't you sweet!"
Oh? I'm the ideologue?
Your profoundly ignorant comment implying that the political makeup of a city - that they went for Obama in elections - is what attracts job versus your mention of Rick Perry's statewide governance is bald evidence of being an ideologue.
As far as demanding answers...you could try to defend or explain your comment implying the ascendance of the city voting habits versus over policies when talking attracting jobs or not. I don't expect you to be able to. I realize it was just a kneejerk nonsensical statement reflecting your annoyance at what Texas accomplishes. Just saying it was snark lets you off the hook, is understandable, and something I would actually find tongue in cheek humorous.
Or you could wait until Inga weighs in telling you sure showed them. Her support always impresses everyone and historically you seem to think it ups your game by default.
What? Not California? Not NY?
How can this beeeeeeeee?
Things work in Texas, in a manner that confounds many ideologues on the left and right.
Even more remarkable is that fact that the border is effectively open. Immigrants come and go at will!
Texas has been providing in-state tuition for "illegals" for a decade! Ricky led this effort!
I've lived in Blue city Minneapolis and red state, high plains, Texas (where I currently reside.
In many ways, Texas is a rough place, but there are a million chances. If I was young and poor with questionable skills but wanted to make a real go of it, as opposed to just accepting the government dime for the rest of my life, I'd have a better shot in Texas. . . . And this isn't some kind of abstract statement. I own property in the hispanic area of my town and make a point of getting to know the people who live on either side and have given them my contact information should they have an issue with maintenance or behavior, etc. One of them is a hispanic girl in her twenties - a single mom - who was able to scrape together enough $ to buy the run down craftsman to my right. She's been renovating a bit at a time and it's starting to look good. The guy across the street, Israel, bought TWO lots, I' m sure for next to nothing, since the house was abandoned, and is also completely redoing it a bit at a time. These are the kinds of places where you REALLY CAN start with next to nothing and make enough, even at a very low wage, to pull yourself up. Hard, but doable - no pity involved.
Liberal pundits and other liberal voices in Texas know full well the only reason they can remain pundits and continue to lecture their flocks on why liberalism and Obama are good and conservatism and Rick Perry and others are bad rather than being forced into becoming baristas and lecturing only coffee cups instead is the business-friendly laws and regulations Texas conservatives put in practice and maintain.
The reason their readers and listeners may not grasp this is because, in Texas, liberalism is just another well-paying middle class job-supporting urban business service, not a seriously viable political ideology.
When you understand how wealth works it isn't confounding at all.
Absolutely right, Rusty. When you understand how wealth works (hint, hint, statewide politics and policies matter but are only one part of a much bigger economic story), it isn't confounding at all. But alas, many ideologues of all persuasions don't get that and they sputter accordingly.
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