Wisconsin’s shift toward severely restricting women’s access to reproductive health care can’t be attributed to a swing in public opinion. Nor is it being driven by a call for change from the state’s medical community. Instead, it’s being driven by tea party politicians wielding their power at the state Capitol.I just want to talk about the illustration, which you can see in full at the link. Here's a closeup:
How utterly numb (or mindbogglingly cruel) do you need to be to think this is an appropriate depiction of pregnancy when you are writing in support of access to abortion? The woman looks 9 months pregnant! She's apparently sad about her condition, but who thinks she should be able to have an abortion now? And what's that aimed at her belly? I can figure out that it's supposed to be a cartoon representation of the wind (as she's standing atop a weather vane, behind a big arrow labeled "SHIFTING RIGHT"), but the initial thought is: Scissors! Scissors, late-term abortion... One thinks of those descriptions of partial birth abortion ("...the surgeon then forces the scissors into the base of the skull or into the foramen magnum. Having safely entered the skull, he spreads the scissors to enlarge the opening....")
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«सर्वात जुने ‹थोडे जुने 322 पैकी 201 – 322Inga said...
There are also victims of rape and incest that had no choice in their pregnancy. Texas Abortion law takes away their right to an abortion after the 20 th week. No exceptions for underage girls, none.
You seem to think this is some super-duper point or something.
Inga said...
(hides (again) behind Althouse)
(hides (again) behind the other 2 year olds)
You do know a lot about death, though.
A lot more than life.
Oh, and someone else besides Wendy Davis for you to cheer.
Rubio, one of "your" Republicans, wants to ban abortion after 20 weeks.
X said...
my working theory is Inga's a creation of Althouse to make Althouse look intelligent in comparison. or Hitler's daughter.
Without question.
No, I amend that.
Could anyone, trying to create a character like that, envision someone like the She Devil of the SS?
forced to bear their rape/incest babies
Actually, no. The issue is to preserve a consistent standard and value for human life, throughout its evolution, from conception to death. This is necessary to distinguish between intrinsic and earned or imparted value, and to prevent arbitrary judgments which exploit human beings. This is an effort to normalize the intrinsic value of human life.
In the case of elective abortion, under any circumstances, the issue that must be addressed is that abortion is an act of premeditated murder, and the victim, irrespective of the circumstances under which it was conceived, is wholly innocent. A human life should not be terminated without cause, and not without due process, under normal circumstances.
This is not simply a philosophical issue. The consequences of arbitrarily devaluing human life, throughout its evolution, are not constrained to the victim or the perpetrator. The consequences of affording absolution to individuals who demonstrate an inability to self-moderating, responsible behavior is that we will all lose our right to enjoy liberty.
Ann Althouse said...
"(One more bit of evidence that edutcher is an internet character whose shtick is to get everything wrong.)"
7/2/13, 10:18 AM
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From yesterday, ed's been having a bad run lately poor guy. But he is valued.
My initial reaction to the pictures was "Scissors? WTF?".
I don't normally think much of the Althouse "let's read meaning into this picture" thing, but I think she's on the right track on this one.
Alex said...
Conservatives love it when young girls are forced to bear their rape/incest babies.
Never heard of rape/incest babies.
Human babies, I know, but what species are rape/incest babies?
Inga said...
Meth doesn't understand consensus.
Which consensus are we talking about this time?
PS You can tell the trolls started the weekend early.
Looks like they got in the malt liquor sometime around Monday night.
I assume that it was accidental art, and since the group making it kind of ignores what abortion really is, they just didn't notice it all.
"Having safely entered the skull..." -- that fetus must be one mean dude put the abortionist in danger to overcome.... safely indeed.
Inga said...
Ann Althouse said...
"(One more bit of evidence that edutcher is an internet character whose shtick is to get everything wrong.)"
7/2/13, 10:18 AM
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From yesterday, ed's been having a bad run lately poor guy. But he is valued.
I'm sorry, but is this supposed to make me feel sad or humiliated or drive me away from here?
I mean, you're taking up a lot of that bandwidth Ann pays for to put up this drivel 8 or 10 times a day.
I do my best to ignore it, but it is Ann's money you're wasting.
Next thing you know, she'll get mad and there'll be another Bloody Sunday and you'll all end up with no place else to go but Trooper York's.
Again.
You remember that place, don't you, meine schatzi?
Inga wrote:
"David, don't marry and then impregnate a woman you don't know well enough, same premise."
Inga, are there exceptions for men who are raped? Do those men have more say over their unborn children?
The link at the start of the post doesn't work. Did they take it down?
I think those lines depict the wind blowing, since she's standing on a weather vane. I theorize that it shows the ever changing winds of...er, change.
Rabel said...
Am I the only one who sees a poot?
First thing I thought of.
restricting women’s access to reproductive health care
What? She got VD? The Clap?
Last I looked bein' knocked up wasn't a disease.
Oh, and if believing in the sanctity of human life makes me reptilian, then I gladly accept that label.
What a reality the left lives in.
Saint Croix:
The concern is two-fold. First, to preserve a consistent value of human life. Second, to deter or prevent individuals from committing acts of involuntary exploitation. So, in the case of rape (or rape-rape), the perpetrator would have to be identified, afforded due process, and when found guilty, castrated.
Still, that does not address the fact that the human life conceived under any circumstances is wholly innocent and will be terminated without cause. The symmetric criteria for life and death would aid to reconcile this discrepancy, but it cannot be exploited for general purpose.
Nathan Alexander:
That's quite possibly the best compromise.
A woman who is raped can assume she is pregnant. In that case, she can be offered two choices. One, to carry the child to term, while receiving aid from public resources. Two, to terminate the pregnancy in short order of say one month (i.e. before the emergence of brain activity) or less.
Since this is a criminal case, society has an interest, and standing, to intervene. In the case of rape, to provide aid to the victim(s), and to hold the perpetrator accountable for his action which violates the individual, society, and humanity.
At first glance I thought the hair was some kind of devilish tail, which brought to mind Rosemary's Baby.
In other abortion news--it's been sad to see the abortion fanatics and their paid sign-wavers protesting at the state capitol here in Texas rolling around in the mud and making normal people turn away in disgust. The woman grinning like an ape next to the second grader holding a sign saying "If I wanted the government in my womb I'd f*** a senator"--keepin' it classy like that is definitely winning hearts and minds. What a bunch of buffoons.
The problem with life starting when babies have brain waves is, we really don't know when babies start developing brain waves.
And the problem with basing when it's ok for babies to be aborted so long as they don't feel pain, is that we really don't know when they feel pain.
Inga is using 20 weeks as the go to number as if there is anything settled on that. Some doctors say fetuses don't feel pain till right before the pregnancy, and others have noted that they've flinched as if in pain very early on in the pregnancy.
Boh sides will use anecdoatal evidence to support their side, but the truth is, its not really a known fact.
eric wrote:
Inga, are there exceptions for men who are raped? Do those men have more say over their unborn children?
Interesting.
Or how about a woman who puts a hole in a guys condom. Is he responsible for child support?
Actually, in both cases, the answer is no. The guy has no say.
No Heyboom, that doesn't make one reptilian. Meth is reptilian, not you.
"Actually, in both cases, the answer is no. The guy has no say."
Although he ought to.
A pregnancy website says brain activity begins at 5 weeks.
That's a good point in my opinion. We can wait until science learns more before adjusting the limit from there.
If raped, assume you might have gotten pregnant and take immediate steps.
If not raped, then if you don't take care of it within 5 weeks of conception (not within 5 weeks of when you realize it), then you have a living human baby inside and basic decency and accountability require you to carry the baby to term.
If you can't handle those rules, don't have sex.
Inga,
I have difficulty believing that a fetus literally torn limb from limb, as is usual in a second-trimester abortion, feels nothing in the process.
At least Dr. Cesare Santangelo, an abortionist in Washington, D.C., doesn't play mind games; well a bit, but not as much as the pro-abortion celebrants here do. In this video, he's talking about doing a late-term abortion and provides his view of why not coming to him and instead going to a hospital in Virginia is not smart.
Not smart because that Virginia hospital "helped them to deliver, which was the stupidest thing they could have done.”
See, he knows what an abortion is meant to do.
jr565:
Exactly. It is a matter of faith. Let's hope we make the right choice. If we are wrong, then the consequences may be not be immediate, but they will be insidious (i.e. progressive), and conclusive.
Here's a case I'd like to hear from the pro abortionists about.
15 year old boy has sex with 35 year old woman. She is accused of statuatory rape.(though the sex was consensual). He is forced to pay child support.
http://www.lawlink.com/research/caselevel3/74059
If he was legitimately raped by an older woman and she had a kid, he'd still probably have to pay child support.
A pregnancy website says brain activity begins at 5 weeks.
6 weeks is what I've heard. And what makes this a little tricky is that doctors measure the baby's age in two different ways. The same baby can be 6 weeks (measured from conception) or 8 weeks (measured from last menstrual period).
LMP is weird because it's counting 2 weeks before the baby even exists!
On the other hand, nobody knows exactly when conception happens, so that is even more arbitrary.
The conception point is usually estimated to be 2 weeks after LMP, because that's when women are most fertile. But conception can happen earlier or later.
In other words, age estimates can be off by a week or two in either direction.
Biological criterion (like heartbeat or brain activity) can actually be measured, so that's far more definitive than weeks.
Michele, I don't BELIEVE I've said that or anything nearly like that. I posted an article discussing fetal pain, I did not say that was MY opinion.
A woman who is raped can assume she is pregnant.
That's a silly assumption for her to make! Conception happens 1-5 days after sex. Take emergency birth control! It should be mandatory instruction in sex education classes that rape victims can take birth control and avoid a pregnancy. And the Catholic church is fine with this.
Do fetuses feel pain? The answer is, there is no definitive answer.
Do fetuses feel pain?
"It turns out that no one really knows what it feels like to be a fetus. Through different interpretations of accumulating evidence, various scientists have estimated that pain becomes possible anywhere from 18 to 29 weeks into gestation, maybe later."
If 18 weeks then a lot of babies aborted at 20 weeks are feeling pain.
But, as the article states, this whole question is a copout.
"Basing laws on this is really unreasonable," said Derbyshire (pschologist and fetal pain expert), who, unlike Anand, thinks pain takes much longer to develop. "Abortion is not a scientific question. It is a moral and political question. To try and make science answer a moral question like that is just wrong. It's cowardice on the part of lawmakers."
If pain is a reason not to abort, and we don't really know for sure when a baby feels pain, isn't it better to side on the side of caution?
Inga said...
Ann Althouse said...
"(One more bit of evidence that edutcher is an internet character whose shtick is to get everything wrong.)"
7/2/13, 10:18 AM
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From yesterday, ed's been having a bad run lately poor guy. But he is valued.
Inga, shut up with this nonsense already. Repetitive schmuck.
"That's a silly assumption for her to make! Conception happens 1-5 days after sex. Take emergency birth control!"
I think that was the point. Don't wait until you get a positive result on a pregnancy test, assume that emergency birth control is needed and take it.
That's what the assumption is.
NO, I won't shut up, you reptile, Meth.
Inga said...
Meth doesn't understand consensus.
Consensus of what? Your Center for American Progress bullshit on fetal pain? Again, the language of fetal pain as a basis for the law imho is the wrong argument to make. That may be the language, but I would have argued that it doesn't matter since the science of DNA alone states that a human being is developing in the womb regardless of development stage. Now go run along and play in traffic.
Of course she won't shut up, after telling Drago about 11 times yesterday to "STFU"
Because this is about HER, and fat assed boozed up old cows on disability must always be right.
I really look forward to your inevitable death from alcohol hastened health problems and general old age.
Drink up you chubby crone.
You DUMBASS Meth, it's the argument that the TEXAS lawmakers made, not me. Who by the way are REPUBLICAN.
garage mahal said...
What do you think is growing inside a human uterus? A fish?
In your case it was reptilian. Your eyes click when you blink, right?
Oh you got me there fat boy. I'm sure your equine/bcvine heritage really kicked on that little dig. Bazinga and all that.
"The woman looks 9 months pregnant! She's apparently sad about her condition, but who thinks she should be able to have an abortion now?"
Wendy Davis. Planned Parenthood. Ruth Bader Ginsburg. Laurence Tribe. Stephen Breyer. Barack Obama. The list is long, actually.
Conception happens 1-5 days after sex.
I was referring to the potential outcome, but I can appreciate your demand for precision. It is clearly required in this context, perhaps more so than in others.
84 comments from Inga. Astonishing.
heyboom said...
Oh, and if believing in the sanctity of human life makes me reptilian, then I gladly accept that label.
What a reality the left lives in.
They really have nothing else to hang their abysmal ideology on. It's a black void of a well they dip into on a planck-second basis.
Inga said...
You DUMBASS Meth, it's the argument that the TEXAS lawmakers made, not me. Who by the way are REPUBLICAN.
I know you dumb clusterfuck of a human being. I know and I'm disagreeing that they are using this argument of fetal pain at all. It isn't necessary. God damn it you are one colossally stupid dense person. Please, stick your head in a car door and have someone slam it over and over and over again to get some semblance of intellect in there.
Here's another Michael, but who's counting? I'm arguing with many people here, who have addressed me, I'm going to respond to them if that OK with you Michael.
Americans' Abortion Views Steady
A Gallup poll from May.
84 comments from Inga.
Yeah, it is almost as if she's obsessed with this topic or something.
I smell a reptile, phew......
I am the ONLY liberal woman here on Althouse, so you bet your damn ass I'm going to discuss subjects that matter to liberal women, when they come up in a blog post by Althouse.
Don't like it, too bad.
"Yeah, it is almost as if she's obsessed with this topic or something."
My guess is that she is so obsessed with the abortion topic due to guilt of having several abortions herself.
Maybe that's why she is such a drunk. Even retard liberals may feel some shame deep down in their "reptile brain" and this projects into her constant ranting on abortion threads.
She seems to be particularly hung up on incest exceptions as well, which fits my theory of her physical deformities being due to imbreeding.
"Basing laws on this is really unreasonable," said Derbyshire (pschologist and fetal pain expert), who, unlike Anand, thinks pain takes much longer to develop. "Abortion is not a scientific question. It is a moral and political question. To try and make science answer a moral question like that is just wrong. It's cowardice on the part of lawmakers."
NIH says the same thing, and also says that by 26 weeks, everything is in place for the fetus to sense pain. The UK equivalent says 24 weeks.
Inga said...
I am the ONLY liberal woman here on Althouse, so you bet your damn ass I'm going to discuss subjects that matter to liberal women
You're in no danger of living in Texas, you ugly, fat broad.
inky thinks this is a womyns!!! issue so, shut up!
Inga said...
I am the ONLY liberal woman here on Althouse
See now that is just not true at all. The woman who posts as AReasonableMan must feel sleighted.
What about that tramp from pasedena?
And Garage has tits, that has to count for something.
There is no difference between inky's silly, screeching commentary on abortion and this:
“If I Wanted the Government in My Womb, I Would F*** a Senator!”
When dopes like the above reptiles cannot argue and win, they always resort to personal attacks. I'm immune to such nonsense and it only makes them look the morons they are.
These are the LOSERS Althouse speaks of. THEY are what makes people think Republicans are The Stupid Party.
NIH says the same thing, and also says that by 26 weeks, everything is in place for the fetus to sense pain. The UK equivalent says 24 weeks.
But what if it's 18 weeks as some others say.How many fetuses are aborted in those 2 weeks that feel pain?
What is even funnier about inky's silly screeching is she has no idea what the current abortion law in Texas is.
Inga said...
When dopes like the above reptiles cannot argue and win,
Hysterical.
You think you can identify what is and is not an "argument"
You're beyond parody.
I'd care more about the rights of women when it comes to abortion, if women cared more about the rights of men when it came to child support.
But if a woman gives me head, then saves my sperm, impregnates herself and then two years later I have to pay child support for a kid I didn't want then or even know about, I have little sympathy for women if they can't abort their kid.
This is what I'm referring to:
http://www.lasisblog.com/2011/02/26/man-receives-oral-sex-ordered-to-pay-child-support/
If I want a kid and she's pregnant, but doesn't I have no say. If I don't want a kid and she literally steals my sperm and uses it to impregnate herself, I have no say.
So I don't particulary care about womens so called choice when I, as a dude am a slave to a womans choice.
Yup, definitely multiple abortions.
There there Inga, it's okay.
The booze will take away the guilt.
Have another drink.
Roe v. Wade says that you can have an abortion until birth for your "health." Blackmun defines what he is talking about here:
Maternity, or additional offspring, may force upon the woman a distressful life and future. Psychological harm may be imminent. Mental and physical health may be taxed by child care. There is also the distress, for all concerned, associated with the unwanted child, and there is the problem of bringing a child into a family already unable, psychologically and otherwise, to care for it. In other cases, as in this one, the additional difficulties and continuing stigma of unwed motherhood may be involved. All these are factors the woman and her responsible physician necessarily will consider in consultation.
The only substantive abortion regulation the Supreme Court has upheld is the federal rule outlawing the D&X procedure. (Under Casey, the Supreme Court allows procedural regulations to protect the woman's health, unless the regulation is an "undue burden" on her right to an abortion).
Definitive laws outlawing abortion in Pennsylvania (24 weeks) or the new law in Texas (20 weeks) have not to my knowledge been tested in federal court. Planned Parenthood sued over the Pennsylvania law (the case that would become Planned Parenthood v. Casey), but they elected not to sue over the 24-week limitation, perhaps fearful that the more conservative 1992 Court would uphold the law.
Most abortion clinics self-regulate, not doing abortions after 20 weeks. (Check your yellow pages!) But there are a lot of abortion doctors who will do abortions in the 20-24 week range. That's the gray area of viability.
The abortions done after that point (including in the ninth month) are done under the "health" rationale.
How utterly numb (or mind-bogglingly cruel) do you need to be to think this is an appropriate depiction of pregnancy when you are writing in support of access to abortion?
Maybe the illustrator is secretly pro-life? Or he wants everybody to realize his cartoon is pregnant? Or maybe he's just being honest in regard to the abortions Roe allows?
The article has been yanked, by the way, so maybe somebody agrees with you. They made that sad pregnant cartoon disappear! (Perhaps to be replaced with a happy, non-pregnant cartoon).
Inga, why is it again that there should be abortion for the reasons of rape and incest?
In rape, is the idea that "you raped me so I'll one-up you and become a killer?" Social hygiene, so that rapist genes should not be perpetuated? Should other children of a person accused or convicted of rape be aborted or killed after birth? Should rapists be sterilized? Or their spouses be sterilized? Forced to divorce?
For incest, is it just the Ick Factor, or concern about the birth defects, or what exactly?
In either case just adopt it out. And in this pet theory of yours where a 20 or 24 week fetus will be extracted and put in an ICU, you know that's going to run like a quarter million apiece and their odds and prognoses are not great.
Why don't we just leave them in the freaking wombs and let them come out when they're ready? How about some money? Fine, take the quarter million and give it to the woman, or better, to the child when born. That would be nice, wouldn't it? How about $10k?
You know perfectly well the overwhelming majority of abortions are for personal convenience. And you agree with this, but would rather not be found out doing so.
Inga,
Michel[l]e, I don't BELIEVE I've said that or anything nearly like that. I posted an article discussing fetal pain, I did not say that was MY opinion.
And yet I find it hard to believe that you posted the link to no purpose.
Inga said...
Here's another Michael, but who's counting? I'm arguing with many people here, who have addressed me, I'm going to respond to them if that OK with you Michael.
Americans' Abortion Views Steady
A Gallup poll from May.
Is this the same Gallup that got a couple visits from Solly an' da boys this time last year?
It says a lot, a whole lot, about the intellectual capacity of a political movement when, as supporters of ObamaCare at a 75%+ clip, they are shouting "get the government out of my womb!!!!
Self-awareness is something left simply doesn't do.
Inga said...
I am the ONLY liberal woman here on Althouse, so you bet your damn ass I'm going to discuss subjects that matter to liberal women, when they come up in a blog post by Althouse.
Don't like it, too bad.
You aren't even that good of a liberal. Hell, you aren't even that good of a human being, but it's not that we don't like it, it's that usually whenever you have anything to say, no one cares.
Michelle, my purpose was to shed some light on what the TEXAS lawmakers may have been basing THEIR 20 week limitation on, as THEY stated it was to avoid fetal pain.
NOT I.
In rape, is the idea that "you raped me so I'll one-up you and become a killer?"
Many people don't think abortion is killing. I think very early abortions are bad, but they're not homicides, at least under our current laws in regard to when people die.
And so I wouldn't say that an early, non-homicidal abortion after a rape is a homicidal urge. I think it's more that women are traumatized by rape and don't want to relive the trauma for nine months.
But of course an abortion is often traumatic too. And it might damage your reproductive organs, your cervix or your uterus. And it increases the risk of breast cancer later in life.
It's far, far, far better for rape victims to use emergency contraception.
Meth, YOU being a reptile, naturally would not like human beings and naturally would resort to it's little slimy reptillian behavior. Slither on your belly like a reptile, that's what you do, naturally, when you are on the LOSING end, loser.
Gee Meth, I wonder why Althouse has not given you even ONE measly tag, LOL!
Inga, you appear to have a Cap Lock issue with your computation device.
There are a number of Althouse reptilian hillbillies in here!
Nope Michael, I'm yelling. Do you hear me?
Inga said...
Gee Meth, I wonder why Althouse has not given you even ONE measly tag, LOL!
She has give over two hundred. See "stupid."
Inga, when you disappear, all these guys are so heartbroken. And sad. They go on and on about you.
"Where's Inga?" they cry. "I fucking hate her so much. Where is she, though?"
It's really nice how they miss you! And one of them will pretend to be you. "I'll bet if Inga was here..." But of course it's not the same. Only one Inga!
Oh yes I see the tags, "Stupid Micheal".
Inga said...
Meth, YOU being a reptile, naturally would not like human beings and naturally would resort to it's little slimy reptillian behavior. Slither on your belly like a reptile, that's what you do, naturally, when you are on the LOSING end, loser.
7/3/13, 6:15 PM
Blogger Inga said...
Gee Meth, I wonder why Althouse has not given you even ONE measly tag, LOL!
7/3/13, 6:18 PM
Inga, this is the entire summation of your time here on Althouse.
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Inga. A before e except after c.
One and only me, Saint Croix. No one but God himself could duplicate me. :)
There there you old cunt, simmer down.
Switch from the hard stuff to wine for a little bit, mellow out.
All the caps lock "yelling" in the world isn't going to work when you shake lose the mortal coil, and have to answer for your several abortions to a higher judge than Althouse.
I actually feel sorry for you, with your advanced age and problem with alcohol, that day can't be too far off.
Tick tock.
Inga said...
Meth, YOU being a reptile, naturally would not like human beings and naturally would resort to it's little slimy reptillian behavior. Slither on your belly like a reptile, that's what you do, naturally, when you are on the LOSING end, loser.
7/3/13, 6:15 PM
Blogger Inga said...
Gee Meth, I wonder why Althouse has not given you even ONE measly tag, LOL!
7/3/13, 6:18 PM
Inga, this is the entire summation of your time here on Althouse.
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Mikil, whatever.
Such talent! Meth, how do you do it with your little reptile hands?
They can talk about the prefrontal cortex and the amygdala and the iambic pentameter all they want, but does anyone besides me think that scientists who confidently assert that babies/fetuses younger than 28 weeks "can not feel pain" are just talking out of their asses? How the fuck do they know that for sure? Have those who care for 26 week old premature babies noted that you can do absolutely anything physical to them with no resulting signs of pain or distress? Do we want to GUESS whether or not a second or third trimester fetus experiences agony when aborted?
PMS is the slime on Meth's scales.
okay, ya'll need to stop flirting on the abortion thread.
Why do you think newborns scream when they are born, I'm sure they are crying, "Oy, my head aches!"
Wow this thread really went downhill fast.
I am afraid that you are mistaken edutcher. As I understand it Trooper York's blog is by invitation only and the person mentioned had it's invitation revoked for the behavior evident here. Just sayn'
Oh and as you are well aware you are not a member either.
Just to be fair.
Baron Trooper, why don't you tell the truth here? I LEFT your private blog because you are misogynist pig. Meade warned me about you he was RIGHT.
I don't put myself in private situations with people like YOU.
Especially men with boobs bigger than mine.
boy I miss that old Troop. I wish I could get an invite on to his blog. I wonder who knows him anymore.
Trooper York/ Baron Zemo, you are about the biggest hypocrite I have ever run into in my entire life. I don't think you want me to reveal things that were mentioned in your blog about Althouse and Meade.
OR about your failed TV show.
Just checked out Baron's blogger profile. A certified Nazi.
"Especially men with boobs bigger than mine."
Leave Garage out of this Inga, he has a disease!
A DISEASE! (See? I can use caps lock too)
It's bad enough that you had multiple abortions, do you really need to start making fun of the clinically obese like Garage? Have you no shame?
A DISEASE!
As I understand the situation your ability to post was revoked. If you decided to leave before that then I of course apologize for misinterpreting it.
In any event everyone both male and especially the females are very glad that you are gone.
If you want the truth.
Now why not go back to the topic at hand. I am sure that the proprietor of this blog would appreciate it.
This was just a brief aside to correct edutcher's misunderstanding of the situation.
We now return you to your regularly scheduled abortions.
Trooper York IS Baron Zemo and I stopped posting there long before any such "revocation" occured, why don't you tell the truth, what are you hiding? I know what it is.
Trooper, YOU opened a can of worms, now you want to squiggle away, nope you got squashed, don't mess with me.
This is quite tedious. I would be happy to cede the point that you stopped posting of your own accord first. The fact remains that you are banned and could not post if you wanted to. But you win. You left before the bouncers threw you out.
There is nothing to hide.
But once again this is a silly thread jack. It was just important that edutcher be set straight. That's all.
Not that it's anyone's business, but I had four pregnancies and four live healh children, now go fuck yourselves, losers.
This is what happens when peole who cannot argue in good faith, feel threatened when they feel hey are loosing an argument. It's low, nasty and not unusual behavior for too many conservatives here, shame on you, where are your morals and decency?
Such incredible hypocrisy.
I don't want to wiggle out of anything. For about the fourth time I just wanted to set edutcher straight. That is all it was about.
We can leave it at that and you can go back to fighting with everyone else.
You do not seem to understand Trooper, it was that I that left your execrable blog, it was nasty, hateful and sexist and I won't go it furher unless you persist. Why in God's name would I or anyone for that matter want to comment there?
It's quite boring most times, at best, and quite nasty at worst.
I think there's room for an abortion ban at some point in the fetal development process (leaving aside abortion because of a deformed or Tay-Sacks baby or health of the mother). If 20 weeks is too early, then when, Inga? Is 27 also too early? Surely you don't plan to accept abortions at 39 or 40 weeks!
I don't think there's anything wrong with an ultrasound requirement. Are pro-abortion proponents afraid that some babies won't be aborted?
After Gosnell I'm very saddened that the pro-abortion folks are not finding common ground with the people who want abortion clinics brought up to the same standard as any other clinic that performs outpatient surgery. You want back alley coat hanger abortions replaced by ... filthy clinic and coat hangers.
Between the spelling mistakes, frantic tone, and obviously anger in the fat sow's now over 100 posts, I can tell she is quite intoxicated.
Her early start hitting the sauce should hopefully tire her enough to pass out soon, although probably will not stop the nightmares that come with the guilt of aborting children.
It may however improve the posts on the Althouse blog for the remainder of the evening.
Meth, I haven't seen one of those graphics in years.
Thanks.
PS Herr Baron, thank you for bringing Mitochondri out of the closet.
I knew it.
And Althouse says I get everything wrong.
Hah!
Inga said...
nope you got squashed, don't mess with me.
Ok, ok, you shrieking drunk goof, time to put the Internet down.
Go ahead, you can still pretend to #standwithwendy tomorrow.
Thanks
Big Mike, I've said MANY times now my acceptable window would be the First Trimester, to 18 weeks. Why do you say I think 20 weeks is not long enough? How many more times must I say this? Are you intentionally misrepresenting what I have said many times now?
First trimester with an exception for rape, incest and life of the mother.
Michael is counting my comments, don't make me keep repeating myself.
President Mom Jeans, talks about spelling errors? Ha! How many times has Garage pointed out your atrocious spelling? You slime on Meth's back. loser, Fake Attorney.
If anyone here drinks and uses drugs it's Meth and his slimy pal PMJ, their behavior cannot be explained in any other manner, except perhaps insanity.
This is what happens to threads that loser conservatives like slime ball and reptile enter. I won't put up with it and will make a point of pointing out that they are the reason Republicans are called The Stupid Party.
NOW, I'm done.
Sure you are boozy, sure you are. I'll put the over/under at 12.5 more posts in this thread.
Shhhhhhh, go to sleep. Try and keep the nightmares away.
The illustration makes abortion look like a bad idea... nine months... scissors or huge hypodermic... etc.,
I'm trying to imagine an alternative that makes abortion look like a *good* idea...
I'm stumped. What would that illustration look like? Take it as a challenge. You're a commercial artist and you're a professional and this is your job...
Folks, I've found a live action photo of Inga near the computer, glass of wine and all...
Profile of her deranged lunacy here.
Big Mike, I've said MANY times now my acceptable window would be the First Trimester, to 18 weeks. Why do you say I think 20 weeks is not long enough?
Believe it or not, that's what I thought! Further discussion below.
How many more times must I say this?
None
Are you intentionally misrepresenting what I have said many times now?
No, but you're splashing so much venom around on a post about time limits on abortion, that I thought perhaps you'd changed your position. No, make it that I was pretty certain you had changed your position. I'm not going to apologize; you're kind of out of line.
First trimester with an exception for rape, incest and life of the mother.
Go look up Tay-Sacks. And not in the Wikipedia, because their description doesn't describe the horror of watching your beautiful baby slowly and very, very painfully dying before he or she ever reaches pre-kindergarten age. And there are other medical conditions for the developing fetus that are also pretty bad, where the baby dies painfully but shortly after birth. Though I know of none as bad as Tay-Sacks.
Looks like they took it down - link says page does not exist.
not worth wading thru 300 some odd posts filled with invective--but some one remind me--didn't the sureme court resolve this issue in Roe V Wade? and I suspect the DOMA decision will lead to equally egregious issues over the next two generations. You mean the SCOTUS really doesn't resolve things but only makes them worse? Looks like to me.
The link to the article sent us to the wrong newspaper; it's actually here.
So down in Texas, pro-lifers are singing Amazing Grace, and pro-choice people are chanting "Hail Satan!" in response.
And now the UK Church of Satan has tweeted their non-support for abortion rights.
Thanks Big Mike. This is my concern: After Gosnell I'm very saddened that the pro-abortion folks are not finding common ground with the people who want abortion clinics brought up to the same standard as any other clinic that performs outpatient surgery.
When I saw the Texas law said 20 weeks, I thought, "hey, common ground."
But then I agree with this:
you're splashing so much venom around on a post about time limits on abortion, that I thought perhaps you'd changed your position.
In this one thread, Inga has multiple times referenced the 20 week mark as an issue, by itself. The discussion about feeling pain has only to do with 20 weeks, or 24 weeks, 26 to 28 weeks. It means nothing to her supposed primary issue of rape or incest exception. Yet, she spends a great deal of time discussing this limit. Based on this, I too think she has changed her position.
And here's an interesting thing that I have refrained on mentioning, until I could figure out Inga's position (her being the most outspoken against the Texas Bill); one of the most conservative Texas State Senators, Dan Patrick, actually claimed this week that the exception for rape and incest is in the bill. Now I disagree with his reading of what's posted on the legislature's website, but his admission (whether true or not) certainly suggests a willingness to have such an amendment. Unfortunately, it has become a moot discussion, when opposition against the bill seems to reject any notion of limiting abortion at all.
If we are unable to have sincere discussions about this important topic, then I don't expect either side will give an inch.
Why must a abortion clinic be a surgical cliic when a MEDICAL abortionist being performed? Answer, it does not.
It was simply a way to shut down as many abortion clinics as they could, without allowing the clinics that performed surgical abortions to upgrade their clinic.
Again, medical abortion vs. surgical abortion.
My issue is that there was no exception for rape and incest. As for the time limit for a legal abortion, you can try to misconstrue my words, but I've said them clearly and enough times here for even a slow learner to understand them.
Ings, had you any intent of answering me? I thought my post was sensible and respectful. I think it is unanswerable, of course, but thought you might like to have a go so at least I could understand your position a little better.
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