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"The worst forms of racial discrimination in this Nation have always been accompanied by straight-faced representations that discrimination helped minorities."
Justice Thomas, in today's opinion in Fisher v. University of Texas, likening affirmative action to slavery and segregation. ("Slaveholders argued that slavery was a 'positive good' that civilized blacks and elevated them in every dimension of life.... A century later, segregationists similarly asserted that segregation was not only benign, but good for black students.... Following in these inauspicious footsteps, the University would have us believe that its discrimination is likewise benign. I think the lesson of history is clear enough: Racial discrimination is never benign....")
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Concur.
Let the denunciations of Thomas continue, with fervor!
- but it certainly can be used to political advantage.
Thomas is the living example of what individual initiative can do, along with Thomas Sowell and Walter Williams. For that reason, they must be vilified.
I see Michael K said what I wanted to. Good for you.
I consider Thomas Sowell and Walter Williams to be two of the smartest men this country has ever produced.
Oh, what does a privileged old man like Justice Thomas know about the struggles of a poor, black person?
Yep, the soft racism of low expectations taints the achievement of the worthy. Thank goodness we have a spade to call a spade a spade. Justice Thomas is the only one of those people I would feel honored to meet.
The University asserts, for instance, that the diversity obtained through its discriminatory admissions program prepares its students to become leaders in a diverse society… The segregationists likewise defended segregation on the ground that it provided more leadership opportunities for blacks…
-Devastating.
For most of human history, an armed minority oppressed the majority. That was called feudalism.
Then came Democracy, of the Republican or other stripe, where the majority oppressed the minorities, often with the State's encouragement.
And then, in 19th century Europe, the idea started to spread that minorities shouldn't be abused by democratic majorities, and it was a radical notion indeed.
As new as this idea is in human history, one would hope for some humility from its advocates, some admission that we're on untested ground here when it comes to a majority community "helping" a minority community by governmental action.
That admission is never forthcoming. In that hubris lies the disaster that is the modern American black community, whose "friends" did nearly as much damage as its enemies.
The soft bigotry of low expectations.
That's a good man speaking the truth; and Thomas is in a powerful place to tell that truth. Stay tuned.
So-called "reverse" discrimination delays integration and sponsors prejudice in succeeding generations.
Integration and assimilation have given way to diversity and inclusion.
Translation: instead of becoming united with common goals, we divide sometimes forcibly into separate groups and insist on proportional representation. These separate groups must have unique needs and characteristics that must be catered to and perpetuated.
AllenS said...
I see Michael K said what I wanted to. Good for you.
I consider Thomas Sowell and Walter Williams to be two of the smartest men this country has ever produced.
6/24/13, 11:12 AM
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I consider Thomas Sowell and Walter Williams to be two of the wisest men this country has ever produced.
FIFY
Lots of smart guys around. What is rare is wisdom.
No need to mess with that 93% voting block, even if you can't see the plain truth of what Thomas says. Its not your graveyard you're whistling through.
See below for the government approved, politically correct black man to admire. Liberal black man.
“The behavior of the assembled press corps was telling. Everyone, myself included, swooned. Swooned! Head over heels. One or two might have even lost their minds,” Hastings writes, as each reporter had a chance to speak personally with the president. “We were all, on some level, deeply obsessed with Obama, crushing hard, still a little love there. This was nerd heaven, a politico’s paradise, the subject himself moving among us — shaking our hands, slapping our shoulders!"
"It’s not as though we didn’t already know about this sort of thing. After all, haven’t we joked for years about “tingles” Chris Matthews of MSNBC and “pants crease” David Brooks of the NY Times? But there’s something about the above quote that still sent a shiver of horror down my spine: the blatant, bizarre, hyper-emotionality and near-eroticism (Hastings, by the way, was not gay) of the attraction."
http://neoneocon.com/2013/06/22/michael-hastings-obama-and-the-swoon/
The first part of Thomas's argument can be true without a requirement for the second part to be true. There is no logical necessity for the second part to be true. The fact that very different people have made these different arguments creates a further disjoint in his logic.
I agree with Justice Thomas. Affirmative Action is simply racial preference, and the devastating effects to society are the same.
There is no logical necessity for the second part to be true
Of course just because there isn't a logical necessity for it to be true doesn't mean it isn't true.
All Justice Thomas has to do is look to his left to see how affirmative action, in some cases, works to help serious and hard woking minorities like Sonia Sotomayor accomplish great things.
Nonapod said...
Of course just because there isn't a logical necessity for it to be true doesn't mean it isn't true.
True, but it is a weak argument, more an appeal to sentiment.
Hey, roesch, don't forget about Elizabeth Warren.
The best justice on the court.
All Justice Thomas has to do is look to his left to see how affirmative action, in some cases, works to help serious and hard woking minorities like Sonia Sotomayor accomplish great things.
It works for her, sure. What about the better justice she displaced? How does that help the country?
R-V, I think you make Thomas' point for him. Wouldn't a minority presence on the bench be much more powerful without the tacit agreement that they are there, in part, as tokens?
R-V, I think you make Thomas' point for him. Wouldn't a minority presence on the bench be much more powerful without the tacit agreement that they are there, in part, as tokens?
Thomas is so absurd that if he were a fictional character he would be part of a comedy. This is a man who benefited directly from affirmative action. Yet he blamed Yale Law School's affirmative action program by claiming that he had difficulty finding a job after graduation. Yes, a man who now sits on the Supreme Court wants us to believe he had a tough time because he graduated from Yale!
HELLO braniac. You wouldn't even BE on the Supreme Court if it weren't for Yale. And he wouldn't have gotten near Yale if not for affirmative action.
Wow, Matt, I didn't expect you to admit to your racism that openly.
HELLO braniac. You wouldn't even BE on the Supreme Court if it weren't for Yale. And he wouldn't have gotten near Yale if not for affirmative action.
Nice bigotry.
Racism like yours is WHY affirmative action needs to die.
When a black makes it to the top, bigots like you claim that somebody else helped them.
Hardly beneficial to anybody.
All Justice Thomas has to do is look to his left to see how affirmative action, in some cases, works to help serious and hard woking minorities like Sonia Sotomayor accomplish great things.
Because darned dark-skinned folks couldn't possibly make it on their own unless white Progressives help them out the entire time?
Do you not see how incredibly racist you are here?
R-V gets a warm fuzzy feeling from thinking about those AA has helped without considering those who have lost out because of it in a zero-sum world of opportunities. In the same way he likes to think about Gov't spending money to help (sic) people without considering that the money came from other people's pockets.
Matt: does that condemnation apply to Obama at Harvard too? Or is your racist derision only directed at those blacks who've left the Democratic plantation? And as Sofa points out, you too have only confirmed what Thomas said: AA gives haters a reason to doubt the true qualifications of any minority in an elite program.
Many if not most liberals are racists and they don't seem to have much respect for the average person, they need to feel superior.
Do you not see how incredibly racist you are here?
No, they probably don't. Bigots often become liberals because it frees them to be horrible racist/sexist assholes as much as they want, as long as it is directed against the correct people, i.e. conservatives.
Yeah, NICE, Matt. Thank you for demonstrating how progressive assholes hold minorities hostage by reserving the right to denigrate their achievements and intellect if they stray from the KKKorect perspective. Racist.
It seems Thomas has played the race/victim card often his his career and knows he would not be on the Supreme Court were it not for the leg up he received at Yale, from G.H. Bush who appointed him to Court of Appeals when Thomas had not tried a case, argued an appeal in any federal court, nor produced any scholarly-- on contrast to Sotomayor's accomplishments.
Nicely put by Justice Thomas.
roesch/voltaire said...
It seems Thomas has played the race/victim card often his his career and knows he would not be on the Supreme Court were it not for the leg up he received at Yale, from G.H. Bush who appointed him to Court of Appeals when Thomas had not tried a case, argued an appeal in any federal court, nor produced any scholarly-- on contrast to Sotomayor's accomplishments.
6/24/13, 2:37 PM
Why don't you try to defeat Justice Thomas's reasoning?
Oh, because you can't.
Is that why you go off on a racist rant against him? You people are beyond parody.
Matt said...
Thomas is so absurd that if he were a fictional character he would be part of a comedy. This is a man who benefited directly from affirmative action. Yet he blamed Yale Law School's affirmative action program by claiming that he had difficulty finding a job after graduation. Yes, a man who now sits on the Supreme Court wants us to believe he had a tough time because he graduated from Yale!
HELLO braniac. You wouldn't even BE on the Supreme Court if it weren't for Yale. And he wouldn't have gotten near Yale if not for affirmative action.
6/24/13, 1:58 PM
From the same people that brought us slavery, Jim Crow, Eugenics, Segregated schools, failing public schools, now they bring us affirmative action.
Same effect different name, same bigotry.
Justice Thomas has accomplished more in his life than your bigoted little ass ever will. And for you to presume he couldn't do it without your help is absolutely grotesque.
You are a disgusting human being.
Thomas is the only non-Sophist on the Court and his opinions are a welcome oasis of clarity, logic, and consistency.
Justice Thomas was selected because Justice Souter decided to go Full Liberal only after his selection to be on the Supreme Court.
GHWB couldn't take chances on getting betrayed like that again.
I would love to meet him.
So... Justice Thomas was appointed to the Supreme Court without trying a case.
Would anyone care to review the bidding on President Obama's qualifications for the office of Chief Executive and Commander in Chief prior to his election? Hell, go back to when he was first anointed, at the Democratic National Convention where he first unleashed the tingle on the national stage.
In case anyone mistake the foregoing for tu quoque, my point is of course that if specific credentialing and the relevance of a candidates qualifications as perceived by a hostile viewer are the only important criteria, that standard should be uniformly applied.
Of course, uniform application of criteria is the thing in question here, isn't it?
All Justice Thomas has to do is look to his left to see how affirmative action, in some cases, works to help serious and hard woking minorities like Sonia Sotomayor accomplish great things.
I guess climbing out of an illiterate impoverished hole in South Carolina makes Thomas neither serious nor hard-working.
You just don't like his "politics."
By Thomas's own logic he considers himself a slave because he benefited from affirmative action, but I wonder what he is a slave to or to whom?
You have to admire Thomas for sticking to his guns. Doesn't seem to be bothered by the scorn and derision heaped him by the left. Isn't that what you want in a judge?
My wonderful Irish Ma said back in 1960's (and she was a Democrat through and through) that LBJ's 'War on Poverty" that built these urban projects to warehouse blacks in cities was just like bringing blacks back to the plantation.
She saw - wisely - back then how awful LBJ's discriminatory urban housing policies rendered urban blacks powerless and dependent on government for generations.
Yet she kept voting for Dems forever because it was like being Irish, Catholic, a Cubs Fan, a lover of FDR.....voting to Dems is like a cultural "feel good" inheritance is all I can conclude.
Ponder the vehemence with which liberals condemn Justice Thomas. Compare such vehemence with the tactful silence that allows the corruption and mendacity of such politicians as Sharpe James, Maxine Waters, et al to pass unnoticed.
don't forget about Elizabeth Warren.
Speaking of whom, and the continuity of Democratic thought over the years, check this out:
Nor is the labor of the slave solely for the benefit of the master, but for the benefit of all concerned; for himself, to repay the advances made for his support in childhood, for present subsistence, and for guardianship and protection, and to accumulate a fund for sickness, disability, and old age.
That's from Cotton is King, and Pro-Slavery Arguments (with an Essay on Slavery in the Light of International Law), published 1860.
Democrats: Taking stuff away from people for their own good for over 150 years.
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