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"We will never change the name of the team. As a lifelong Redskins fan..."
"... and I think that the Redskins fans understand the great tradition and what it’s all about and what it means, so we feel pretty fortunate to be just working on next season. We’ll never change the name. It’s that simple. NEVER — you can use caps."
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Good for Dan Snyder.
Every time I hear that the Redskins name is "offensive" it is coming from a white liberal.
Which is just coincidence, I'm sure...
Never, never, never, never, never.
I figured the "Redskins" name would never change, until I read that.
It will be changed.
The same politically correct pussies who complain about pro sports teams names are the ones who agonized about showing respects to speedbumps rotting remains.
Lilly white liberals.
Right fucking on!
And Jay is absolutely right.
Remember Wong Brothers Laundry?
In Washington, NEVER usually means "very soon."
I'm a bit surprised that folks would be so passionate about a potato(e)
"We will never change the name. It's that simple. NEVER."
I agree with Big Mike. As soon as I saw that headline, I thought. Too bad. It looks like they're about to change their name.
Dan Snyder just wrote the his team's epitaph.
Coming soon: The Washington Diversities.
If they played anywhere but DC the name would have changed long ago. PC rules don't apply inside the royal court.
Vatican artists depicted them in 1494 as palefaces.
like flies to honey, that statement.
Me, I'm stocking up on Cleveland Indians gear - add a few Chief Wahoo caps to my inventory. BTW, the Tribe has the OK from the original Chief Wahoo.
I suppose Wop, Dago, Hymie, Tar Baby, Pollock, Spic and Chink were just not properly incorporated into the culture to stick around. Dan Snyder is just trying to hang onto to anything that may have once worked.
Help me out here.
What makes Ohio ok and the Redskins not ok.
I'm normally on the other side of this argument, but I have to admit that "Redskins" is a little strong as opposed to Braves, Warriors, Seminoles, etc.
That said, the fact that the team's fans are Washingtonians makes it too delicious to want it to go away.
They are going to have a new new Redskin symbol, a female (none dare call her squaw) Native American.
Princess Meno Wantu.
OKAY GOT IT. WHO CARES? IT'S A FOOTBALL TEAM NAME. There are more serious things out there than this. I'm talking to the PC crowd and the anti-PC crowd.
SteveR said...
I suppose Wop, Dago, Hymie, Tar Baby, Pollock, Spic and Chink were just not properly incorporated into the culture to stick around. Dan Snyder is just trying to hang onto to anything that may have once worked.
Hey, in the 20s, people said KKK stood for Kikes, Katholics,m and Koloreds. Does that count?
You also forgot Mick.
Paddy did make it into the culture, however.
Ever get hauled away in the paddy wagon?
“We will never win the Superbowl. As a lifelong Redskins fan, and I think that the Redskins fans understand the great tradition and what it’s all about and what it means, so we feel pretty fortunate to be just working on next season.
“We’ll never win the Superbowl. It’s that simple. NEVER — you can use caps."
Luckily for Redskins fans, owners change.
Coming soon: The Washington Diversities.
Even more likely, the Washington Diversity Trainers.
HorseCRAP. The second the 'Skins win the Super Bowl (stop laughing and stay with me), Snyder will "evolve" and change the name so that he can sell a whole new set of swag ...
It's a stupid name, but the more the knock-kneed, bed-wetting, limp-wristed, pc-sucking liberals scream for him to change it, the more I want him to keep it.
Good!!! I support this kick in the balls to political correctness.
Lem said...
What makes Ohio ok and the Redskins not ok.
Ohio is an Iroquois word for 'great river'. Redskin is traditionally a name that whites gave to describe Indians and was for a long time used in a pejorative denigrating way.
Pointing at a group of Native American Indians and saying "Look at them Ohios" would cause confusion maybe, but would offend no one. But saying "Look at them Redskins" could be deemed offensive.
Since it's DC, shouldn't the name be The Washington Tax Tics?
Jerry Jones needs to stop being so racist and change the name to the Dallas CowAfricanAmericans
Green Bay needs to stop being so homophobic and change the name to the Green Bay LGBTs
New York Jets need to stop being so racist against Puerto Ricans and give the Sharks some affirmative action
I think they should change their name to the Generals.
I agree - good for Snyder to have a backbone vs the P.C. loons.
Seattle should change to the Seaholes since that's what everyone calls them anyway.
and Cleveland. is insulting the 3rd world really necessary?
I wait to hear how outraged this makes noted Indian Elizabeth Warren feel.
How about the 'Beltway Bureaucrats?' Or the 'Washington Noble Savages?'
Call me.
Why do people freak out so much about changing the name of a sports team? In the olden days names frequently changed, on just a whim.
I get that people don't want to give in to political correctness. However, a city's sports team shouldn't be offensive to members of the community, since a sports team is supposed to be there for everyone to enjoy with their families. If the people who are offended by a team have a legit basis for taking offense, I think the majority should give in, given that sports teams are meant to bring communities together.
I'm a Cleveland Indians fan, another team that's often under fire. More for the Chief Wahoo logo than the name, but the name as well.
I thought the perfect time to have dealt with all this was after the Indians had sucked for decades and then were on the cusp of getting great in the 1990s. People would've forgotten about feeling mad the name changed when the team had a new ballpark and started winning for the first time in generations. And they could've taken a name out of the city's history -- I was partial Cleveland Spiders.
Anyway, when I look back and see all the different names for teams the city used to have in the early 20th century it made me wonder why people started acting like most team names should never change anymore. In part I guess it's because as time passed people didn't want something they loved growing up to change. but mostly i think it's because sports has become a big business and the name is a brand name.
It would be more fun if, every time Cleveland's (or another city's) baseball team goes through one of their 5 year rebuild plans that they adopt a brand new name when they're ready to roll again -- and just pick whatever catches the city's fancy that year, or a name that reflects whatever message they wanna send to the world. And then change it again when that team's run is over and they're going through another cycle.
Meanwhile, some franchises would be better off never changing, such as the New York Yankees -- who don't even change their uniforms while smaller market teams create 5 or 6 new uniforms for each season.
This temporary name approach would allow cities to have a lot more fun with their teams, and also enable them to celebrate local heroes or things through their teams. If ever-changing uniforms throughout a season (taken to the extreme by the Oregon Ducks) is something people are having fun with, why not changing names every few years?
And the way things are today -- with most owners regarding their franchise names as being locked in for the next 100 years -- creates situations where some team names, like the Los Angeles Lakers, have lost all the original meaning of their names.
Washington should actually go with Hogs. it's their O-lines nickname and it just seems to fit the city. I'm picturing a logo with a trough.
"...why not changing names every few years?"
Because, some names are just perfect, as they are.
In my town, Giants, 49ers, Warriors and Sharks all work; some have been around longer than others (Giants the longest, Sharks the most recent).
Why just change names because...?
Oh.
And A's and Raiders too work.
But, as the philosopher said, "Ain't nobody got time for that."
There will never, ever be a team name as stupid as the Utah Jazz.
"A's" worked everywhere.
Boston owns the B's and the C's, tho.
Elizabeth Warren is so overcome with guilt that her family lore was myth, and that she used this lore to advance her career, that she is atoning every day.
1. Leave the rarified air and green lawns of Harvard for the Mass campaign trail.
2. Acquire the 'common touch'
3. Put other people's money where your mouth is and work to save the commoners from the rapacious greed of credit card companies and those who would deny them student loans
4. Become an entrenched figure in the Mass political landscape, and the first fake Indian white Harvard professor from Oklahoma to join the Boston elite and appeal to Northeastern liberal soccer Moms with a particularly strong bond.
Washington Gibsmedats
Not sure why, because I am generally opposed to the grievance-mongers looking for reasons to be insulted, but Snyder's quote made me think of this from George Wallace:
"In the name of the greatest people that have ever trod this earth, I draw the line in the dust and toss the gauntlet before the feet of tyranny, and I say segregation now, segregation tomorrow, segregation forever!"
Whoa Chip, there's a lot of good Jazz going down in Provo.
Washington Bullets hit a little too close to home.
Washington Hogs I could go for.
There's a lot of pork in D.C.
SteveR said...
I suppose Wop, Dago, Hymie, Tar Baby, Pollock, Spic and Chink were just not properly incorporated into the culture to stick around. Dan Snyder is just trying to hang onto to anything that may have once worked
Let me tell you something, buttercup, those names were never used for sportsteams. Never. It's been a long time acceptance of, well, tribal people who populated this country before the advancement of the white culture, and those second occupants of this land named their sports teams because of their acceptance of those tribal people who, without the modern weapons, proved to the warriors none the less.
What youth sportsteams attemmpt to do is instill amongst their young attendees, this idea, that you might be smaller, slower, without the amenities of life, can over power with stealth, cunning, and overall the thought that you can win.
It's not much more than that.
Washington should actually go with Hogs.
That names taken. Woo Pig!
"We will never change the name. It's that simple. NEVER."
The only thing Dan Snyder could have to make me more inclined to believe a name change is in the works is, "We have no current plans to change the name of the team."
Yeah, it's a shame when people reasonably infer that a definitive word like "never" is as likely to mean "will happen shortly."
Not looking for trouble, but for some reason our KC Chiefs never (oops, used the word) get hauled before the native american name change court. And yet, the Marquette Warriors were sacrificed to the PC gods.
The history of the Redskins is kind of interesting.
They started out as the Boston Braves, apparently b/c they played their home games at Braves Field. After a year they moved to Fenway Park, and changed their name to the Redsocks, er, I mean, Redskins. Supposedly this was done in honor of their coach Lone Star Dietz, who was apparently the Liz Warren of his time (disputed claim to Sioux ancestry).
They fired Dietz after 2 years and replaced him w/ a guy named Eddie Casey, yet they did not change the team name to the Micks.
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the NEW YORK FOOTBALL vaGInaANTS.
something for everyone.
There will never, ever be a team name as stupid as the Utah Jazz.
It comes by way of franchises relocating. LA Lakers makes no sense either. Team name rights ought to be retained by the city when franchises move.
X, the extra "a" in your o/w intriguing team name makes it sound like a new and frightening disease.
LA Lakers makes no sense either.
People always say this, but the Hollywood Reservoir and Westlake are very nice.
Anyway, thankfully we were spared the OKC SuperSonics.
go ants!
whatever it is Chip, I'm betting Baron Zemo has it.
The Washington PC's
If they want to go with something more descriptive of the city itself, they should go with Buttholes. Or maybe ShitForBrains.
But as far as offensive team names go, can anything beat "The Fighting Irish"? The logo shows a drunken little Irishman who is just looking to punch someone, anyone, in the face. Nice way to enforce negative racial stereotypes, Notre Dame, good job. I think as someone with Irish blood I shall now deem myself to be offended. Perhaps I'll even start a class action lawsuit. Gimme gimme, bitchez!
X, as long as it doesn't spread beyond NY I'm ok w/it.
I believe P.J. O'Rourke was the first person to point out how offensive the Notre dame team name, logo and mascot were.
I don't understand why Oilers went away. why does Greek mythology fit Tennessee better than bubblin' crude?
Change will come. How about the "fightin' Big Sillies"?
I've wondered why these teams have loyalty. It must be the branding, so perhaps "Redskins" has a large value as the brand.
One way to solve the dispute is to have the offended people pony up the money plus some percent multiplier for the value of the brand. Or do they simply want it to be given away for free?
Then one can find out how offended these people are. Are they so offended they are willing to buy the brand and pay for its replacement? If not, how do they say? Money talks, bullshit walks.
Or perhaps, it is a bold move by the owner, that the defiance against the PC crowd will resonate with his fans.
Sigh ...
I guess this means they'll have a new name for the season opener.
Teams names often reflect the reality of the teams existence.
The Redskins fans are usually drunk and red-faced because of the beer they imbibed when their team blows another game.
The Cowboys fans like to dress like cowboys with those ass-less chaps like the dude in the Village People.
The Packers fans are of course fudge packers so there you go.
And of course the fans of the real New York team....well they are Giants!
Your theory breaks down when applied to New England, Baron.
Not really Chip. The New England fans are indeed Patriots. I would not take that away from them. But they are like the old time American Patriots who built this nation using the three tested building blocks that were the foundation of this republic.
Alcohol abuse.
Slavery.
Stealing things from the Indians.
It worked for the founding fathers and it could still work for us if we were not so politically correct.
The team where it breaks down is the Philadelphia Eagles. Their fans do not resemble Eagles. Except for the fact that they are dangerous to young children and small animals and they will take the occasional shit on your head.
Some names just don't add up.
For example the San Francisco NFL team needs to add 50 points to the name if it wants to reflect its fan base.
Bird names are particularly unfortunate.
Cardinals. Orioles. Blue Jays. Eagles.
Why not the Pigeons. That would be the perfect name for the New York team in the senior circuit.
The team where it breaks down is the Philadelphia Eagles.
not if you squint just right
Thanks AllenS I left the hanging curve out there and you knocked over the fence. Good job.
Teams named after hose are also quite passé.
Red Sox. White Sox.
We need to keep up with the times. I think the next franchise in the NFL should be called the Spanx.
Perfect for an LA team!
the NEW YORK FOOTBALL vaGInaANTS.
vaGInaANTS. Absolutely perfect.
Long live The Pekin Chinks!!!!
The New York Football franchise and its fans love the vagina.
Unlike a certain quarterback on a Wisconsin team.
Not that there is anything wrong with that.
But why did he let some scrub basketball player steal his Oklahoma City Thunder? He just gave away his chance to be a pioneer like it was a playoff game or something.
Now some teams names are acronyms. Like the New York entry in the senior circuit.
David Wright recently told a reporter that Mets actually stood for "My Entire Teams Spanish."
When in fact everyone knows that it really stands for "My Entire Team Sucks."
But then David Wright is not too bright.
I think Baron won the internets for that Patriots comment.
A better question then what the Redskins are going to do with their name is why is Tim Tebow being black balled in the NFL?
Birches if you are really an NFL linebacker from Denver....what do you think about Tim Tebow?
Or even if you are not. Why do so many people hate on a Heisman winner who takes teams to the playoffs when he gets a chance to play?
Matt:
Redskin is traditionally a name that whites gave to describe Indians and was for a long time used in a pejorative denigrating way.
This is false. It is Indians themselves who first referred to themselves as "red"; whites didn't "give" it to them. For instance, see "How Indians Got to Be Red" by Nancy Shoemaker in the June 1997 issue of "American Historical Review" (available on JSTOR).
The name is absolutely offensive to Sacajawea Warren and cannot be allowed to sully her intense Native American Spirit! Fly Sacajawea! Fly like an eagle...to the sea. Fly...let your spirit carry you!
Well maybe they can call the team "Maurice."
X said...
Washington should actually go with Hogs
Titus won't let that happen.
The Redskins is a great name. I'm glad the football team is unwilling to change it. It never stood for racism; only for heroism.
Of course "Washington Reds" would better exemplify the team's home population.
And New York doesn't actually have it's own football teams. They just claim to.
Why Michael? Because they play in New Jersey?
Hey it is just a suburb of New York.
Like the rest of the country. Just sayn'
segregation now, segregation tomorrow, segregation forever!"
Sony and Philips said the same thing.
Oh wait....that was about the Compact Disc.
"Perfect Music Forever"
It's racist against fair skinned honkies after a day in the sun...like me.
"Redskins" = racist
"Rednecks" = racists
Everybody clear now?
Why Michael? Because they play in New Jersey?
New Jersey isn't even in America,
Good for Dan Snyder. Hope he hangs tough.
What's interesting is the movement for a replacement name. It's an honorable one, but it smacks of reverse racism. The proposal is to rename the team "Redtails," after the nickname for the Tuskegee USAAF squadron from WW2. Never mind that there's no DC connection beyond the African-American association and the similarity in names.
No. I hope that Dan Snyder sticks to his guns. Redskins is a good and honorable name. It's a reminder of what we once were and how far we've come. Chill and deal.
Not looking for trouble, but for some reason our KC Chiefs never (oops, used the word) get hauled before the native american name change court. And yet, the Marquette Warriors were sacrificed to the PC gods.
Oh, that's simple enough. Professional sports are controlled by businessmen. College athletics are controlled by college administrators. The latter are both more likely to be PC believers and to be more exposed to pressure from PC believers.
So the NFL and MLB and such hear the complaints, calculate whether it's actually going to impact the bottom line, and shrug. The owner of the Jets or the Raiders isn't going to lose a dime if he doesn't vote in a closed session to make the Redskins or Chiefs change their name. If the Redskins' owner wants the team to be the Redskins, it's no skin off his ass.
The NCAA, on the other hand, is made up of people who'll risk causing on-campus protests and teach-ins and all sorts of related nonsense if they refuse to vote to adopt a rule that will make some other college change its team name, or stop flying the Rebel flag, or whatever.
In short, it's power. Lefties have it over college athletics, and they don't have it over pro sports.
And yet, the Marquette Warriors were sacrificed to the PC gods.
Meanwhile 45 blocks west of Marquette, the Wisconsin Lutheran College Warriors are just fine, thank you.
Incidentally, I think the obvious name change is to "Gestapo", with a cartoonish caricature of a Nazi secret policeman. Who can complain about a team name that denigrates Nazis?
St Johns was forced to change their name from the "Redmen" to the "Red Storm!"
I suprised that the pussies that run the team didn't name them the "Red Rag" to honor the womens studies department.
But the "Red Rags" would lend itself to some interesting mascots.
How about a giant seven foot Tampon dancing on the sidelines?
"Red Rags, Red Rags, Plug it up!
Defense, Defense stop the flow!"
Baron, its pretty obvious Tim Tebow's off the field behavior is a distraction that most NFL teams don't want.
DUIs? We can deal with that.
5 different baby mamas? Par for the course.
Self proclaimed virgin? Not in OUR NFL.
As long as we're talking about name changes, why isn't anyone up in arms over Hawaii changing their men's teams names from Rainbow Warriors to just Warriors?
OBviously in Hawaii, they're not into Jason Collins. . . .
I hear you Birches.
The thing that gets me is that the sports writers and comments gave the Jets sperm machine Antonio Cromarite a pass when he had fifty kids with fifty different woman but when a dude prays he just has to get off the team.
I don't know if Tebow is a "great" or even adequate NFL passer but the freaking guy wins.
Mark Sanchez is a joke. How is it that Tebow never got a chance even when the team is going no where? I mean I know Rex Ryan is a moron but still.
The reason why so many people hate on Tebow is because he is a committed Christian.
I mean they never did that to other QB's who couldn't throw. Tebow just found a way to get his team to the playoffs. What's wrong with that?
Tebow should come back as right handed QB. Couldn't be any worse than throwing left handed?
I don't know. He can't be as bad as a lot of other guys who are playing right now.
I mean he is not an elite quarterback like Eli Manning with two Super Bowl rings but he deserves a shot. Just sayn'
Tim Tebow!
Aaron Rodgers!
You make the call.
Oh and not that there's anything wrong with that.
So to speak.
All the leftwing white-bread cultural marxists who waste our time with this "Redskin is raciss" crap should go fuck themselves.
And then get a life.
Oh and not that there's anything wrong with that.
Indeed Indeed Indeed
Don't you all love it when Baron Zemo is doing crystal meth!
Don't you all love it when Baron Zemo is doing crystal meth!
With rice balls, ziti and a salad. Before the main course.
We have an area high school whose mascot is the Racoons. Needless to say they don't go by their nickname.
A better question then what the Redskins are going to do with their name is why is Tim Tebow being black balled in the NFL?
Because he can't play the position he insists he play?
White eyes are.mighty touchy about Native American-themed mascots that the tribes themselves support.
That includes the Redkins, too, btw.
When you approach an authentic 100% of pure natural born native American with the gesture that accompanies the vocalization, "How," the hand position is not the "Look, I have no weapons" open hand signal, nor the "stop in the name of love" signal, rather, the gesture is more of a "here's the church, here's the people for dummkopfs because the fingers are not intertwined, but that's the movement, "how".. Some people only crank one hand and leave the other hand stationary cupped at the meet-up position, but you have to admit that's a bit strange.
So that's how to properly greet an Indian. And if they go, "What the f are you doing?" You can go, "I'm greeting you properly, I saw it on the internet."
But I do understand that Snyder has agreed to not rename the team "The savage kidnappers, murderers and torturers."
They should get with the gay and rename themselves the Washington Foreskins.
What about the "Washington Con men"?
Or the Washington "Gay Redskins"?
@ Henry
I understand your point. Tebow is not a conventional quarterback; he would probably be very successful as a tight end. But he's succeeded when it counts (by getting a W) every time he's been given a chance. How many craptastic QBs have been given too much time to really show how awful they are?
JaMarcus Russell? Brady Quinn? Blaine Gabbert? The list could go on and yet Tebow can't find a team? That's silly.
Ben Rothlisberger isn't a great QB; he was pretty Tebowlike when the Steelers won that first Superbowl, but no one seemed to have a problem with it. Look at the Ravens and Trent Dilfer. But somehow having arm deficiencies only matters when it comes to Tebow.
Tebow would be a good wildcat qb (i.e. qb who is good at running and built to take the hits that come with running). He would be useful on short yardage plays and when you want to kill the clock. He should also be awesome on special teams and probably a good TE, flex TE, or H back. Might be a good LB. He has a lot of upside as a qb if somebody can shorten up his passing motion. He is an outstanding leader. He is potentially the kind of versatile player that GMs love if he will humble himself a little and play other positions, in addition to backup qb.
I doubt his religion is the main issue.
After a lifetime of blue balls he got blackballed. That's the way it typically progresses.........I hope the Flemings and the Walloons reconcile their differences, and Belgium becomes a stronger, better country. I hope those who consider Redskins an offensive term and those who consider the Redskins name a fine and hallowed tradition can find some way to compromise. These are both disputes that I could readily arbitrate because I truly don't give a shit about either side.
How about the Washington Whiteys. We don't care.
Or, the Washington White Boys. Nice.
Either one has cool alliteration and we white people love that s***.
As a lifelong Redskins fan they could change the name tomorrow and I wouldn't care one fig. Actually change that, I haven't been a 'skins fan since Dan Snyder brought the worst of money grubbing narcissistic sports ownership to the Nation's Capital.
It's his mediocre team and a far cry from Jack Kent Cook's beloved 'skins of my youth. So let him change the name to the Snyders or the Madonnas or whatever the breathtakingly shallow call themselves these days but leave the American Indians out of it.
You think I'm kidding? Snyder charges for parking to watch training camp. Effing 'tards.
Hmmm maybe I shouldn't have gone with the expresso.
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