May 10, 2013
Rand Paul: "When I took Hillary Rodham Clinton to task in January for the mishandling of security in Benghazi, Libya..."
"... I told her that if I had been president at the time, I would have relieved her of her post. Some politicians and pundits took offense at my line of questioning.... Too many questions remain unanswered. Now, there are too many new questions. The evidence we had in January already suggested that Mrs. Clinton ignored repeated requests for more security in Benghazi. The new evidence we have today — and that continues to mount — suggests that at the very least, Mrs. Clinton should never hold high office again."
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Republicans making a huge issue over #BENGHAZI has NOTHING to do with Republicans being petrified of Hillary in 2016. Not at all!
A bullseye, Rand.
at the very least, Mrs. Clinton should never hold high office again.
I love it.
And there's that eristicist Garage again. Yawn.
suggests that at the very least, Mrs. Clinton should never hold high office again.
Who cares?
She should be held in contempt and possibly jailed.
as NOTHING to do with Republicans being petrified of Hillary in 2016
Yeah, they're terrified of the shitty campaigner who lost to an unknown Senator.
The opposite of everything you're saying is always true.
idiot.
No, there really are not any unanswered questions. We already know the truth --
In their September 10 mentality, they did not want to admit that we are at war; they wanted to proclaim Obama to be this BIG man who personally hunted down bin Laden and killed him with his bare hands.
With that mentality, they stood by and did nothing as the attack was going on. And they lied about it. They covered up. To tell the truth is to say we are still at war. So they intentionally misled.
Mrs Clinton is a serial liar and has never been held accountable. She has for so long practiced self deception in order to achieve objectives (money-power-political advantage for her and/or her husband0 that its clear she's not a truthful person. But she's famous and popular, greatest woman in history. Rose Law Firm, cattle futures, Vast Right Wing Conspiracy, Yankee Fan, You Tube, etc
Starting with Gosnell, what a shitty few weeks for the left.
It has to suck to be them.
"at the very least, Mrs. Clinton should never hold high office again."
At the very LEAST! At most she should be looking at jail time.
But, rest assured, Garage, she'll be there to run for president keeping up the fine Democrat tradition, and reinforcing the power of the press.
The question becomes, is Hillary's mishandling of the Benghazi affair, the deaths, enough for leftists to say "Hey, she isn't able to take that 3AM call," or will they continue to support her.
She's a liar and a bitch. Her husband was off screwing the help, and she blamed Republicans, and tried to make Monica look like a stalker.
Yet, here we have Garage saying we are petrified of Hillary in 2016. How about this, Garage, we are disgusted, the press that is complicit in the deception of Hillary, Obama, etc., who are willing to cut and amend even sentences to make it support their agenda, and by people like you who support the conniving bitch Hillary.
Duh...
She can't resign or be fired.
But we don't have to hire her again.
Unfortunately the public, encouraged by Democratic flacks and the idiot media, will portray this as politics as usual.
It's not. She's lied her way through public life and will continue to lie.
The question is whether it will matter. I am not optimistic that it will.
Garage -
Hicks testified that he has never spoken to the FBI concerning the events of that night.
Care to offer an opinion on the quality of an investigation that hasn't interviewed the senior official on the scene? I mean, what information could he possibly offer?
Petrified? LOL!
No.
We are tired of the media foisting her lame corrupt incompetent liar ass upon us.
I'll admit it, Garage. I'm worried about Hillary 2016. I won't say I'm petrified, cause I'm not. But she would be a terrible President. The main reason is her lack of integrity. She's a convincing liar. That's dangerous.
The average citizen can understand why threats from the IRS are really scary. Let more hearings begin!
We've known Hillary was a lying scumbag since at least the Nineties. But of course the Dems insisted she be rewarded for her years of being humiliated and degraded by her husband so they gave her the SecState job, knowing full well that she was thoroughly incapable of doing the job. Now that her incompetence and low character have once again been put on display, the usual apologists will cry "sexism" or "partisanship" rather than address the rotten core of their precious Obama Administration.
Jump on her neck Rand. Again.
Double tap.
Can't kill these f*****g zombies.
The Rand Paul difference is his spot on challenge of the Media/Democrat Party Complex for 2016.
He knows he must expose them and take an upper hand over them to have any chance at all.
John McCain and Mitt Romney would not dare to mutter a challenge at them.
Rose law firm files,Croatian sniper fire,Benghazi has anyone ever called her to account for her lies?Or is it just move along this is not whar you're seeking?
Rand Paul is decency personified. Therefore HE MUST BE DESTROYED!
I followed a link to Althouse blog when the unions were raising a stink. I keep coming back because the subjects and comments are generally interesting.
From the get-go I figured this "Garage" guy was enjoying himself by taking a view contrary to (most) everyone else He does a decent hijack job, generally.
Now, unless somebody here actually knows this guy, I'm gonna continue to think you all been played.
Republicans making a huge issue over #BENGHAZI has NOTHING to do with Republicans being petrified of Hillary in 2016. Not at all!
Which has zero bearing on whether or not Her Sniper Dodgeressness fucked this up major. I realize you don't want to talk about the real possibility that she lied right to your face.
The Dems could run a dead body and be confident that their base would turn out to vote for it, the dumb ones in earnest and the "smart" ones ironically. Then they'd demonize the Republican in various ways to scare off the Retard Wing of the Republican Party, the libertarians, and the Highly Selective Perfect Conservatives.
Hillary! is not a very good liar. Bill, on the other hand, is a major league liar. That kind of skill is usually found in sociopaths.
Of course she lied right to our faces.She's done it so often.Bur she has to scared too or she wouldn't be leaving as many tracks as she has.(Cheryl Mills for God's Sakes).
garage is a union goon, gramps.
i'm perfectly comfortable with our country's leaders hiding their disastrous mistakes from us, even if they have to perjure themselves, lie to the parents of the slain -- and even if someone has to be jailed in the process.
Make way for the eristocrats!!!
it would be such a privilege to be one of hillary's subjects in 2016! so let's not spoil it.
When she retired as Secretary of State, the press was full of praise for her great performance in office, apparently putting George Marshall in the shade. Let's leave Benghazi aside for just a second, can anyone cite a significant positive accomplishment during her term in office? Better relations with Russia? Peace between Israel and the Palestinians? The spread of democracy in Africa? Stronger ties between the US and Europe? North Korea kept in the box? Help me out here!
So do you really think her groupies in the press are going to let Benghazi spoil the slumber party?
Hey Gramps, he's actually tied up in Althouse's garage, on a chain. We're helping him make his comment quota for the day.
It seems that this investigation of incompetence allows us to ignore the most important question.
Why was the embassy attacked??
garage is a union goon, gramps.
Wrong again. Although I am very pro union.
@ Jeff Teal
To your list can be added Hillary's lying and unethical behavior before she was fired from the House Judiciary Committee during the Watergate investigation (http://digitaljournal.com/article/252624). Then there were the lies she told investigators during the Travelgate scandal (http://www.canadafreepress.com/index.php/article/51867). To this day I don't think anyone has had the guts to ask her how the Rose Law Firm's billing files showed up in her residence at the White House after they had been previously subpoenaed (http://www.nytimes.com/1996/01/06/us/elusive-papers-of-law-firm-are-found-at-white-house.html).
If she wasn't a leftist Dem, the thought of her becoming President would be laughable.
as usual garage turns to shit.
My office is currently seeking out the witnesses and survivors of Benghazi to testify before the Senate Foreign Relations Committee. To date, the Obama administration.
Maybe it takes large media to get at the truth.
Republicans making a huge issue over #BENGHAZI has NOTHING to do with Republicans being petrified of Hillary in 2016.
Are Republicans petrified of Hillary in 2016? That's news to me.
She didn't even think to get a good State Department translator to correctly translate "Reset" to Russian and Cyrillic at the start of her duties as Secretary of State. Do you think she'll reach out to people who aren't already in her inner circle who can help her win a national election? She already answered that question in the negative back in 2008.
Scott M, 1:13, re garage mahal, "Republicans making a huge issue over #BENGHAZI":
"Which has zero bearing on whether or not Her Sniper Dodgeressness fucked this up major. I realize you don't want to talk about the real possibility that she lied right to your face."
Spot-on.
Garage, let me stipulate that some Republicans care about Benghazi primarily as a means to weaken the president politically and damage a potential Hillary '16 run.
That doesn't preclude the possibility that there was real and stunning incompetence here, covered in a deliberately dishonest narrative cooked up for election season, by people who care more about looking strong on national security than about actually being strong on national security.
That's what I care about. If that happens to weaken some powerful and beloved Democrats, I'm not sorry, but that's not why I care.
Republicans making a huge issue over #BENGHAZI has NOTHING to do with Republicans being petrified of Hillary in 2016. Not at all!
Democrats and the media ignoring and lying about #Benghazi has NOTHING to do with Democrats hoping for Hillary! in 2016. Not at all!
That must have been what you meant.
The devil has been spotted heading to garage mahal's while mumbling something that sounds like "it's probably too late."
At least Hillary spent a lot of time flying lots of miles on airplanes. Harder to fuck things up at 30,000 feet, although she did her level best.
There's just so much illegality, corruption, and mismanagement in this administration, it's hard to know where to begin. So much will never get fixed.
Hillary: "Gee, how did those files get there?" (from the Rose law firm to an end table in the White House)
She should go back to baking cookies. It's what she has done most of her life, that and fetching coffee. Figuratively speaking, of course.
how can any US citizen stationed abroad look at this administration and think, "they've got our backs even when it isn't politically convenient"
"... at the very least, Mrs. Clinton should never hold high office again."
Rand Paul is obviously correct, but after allowing Mary Jo Kopechne to die at Chappaquidick, Ted Kennedy held high office in the Senate for the rest of his life, was a serious candidate for the Democratic presidential nomination at least once, and went on to be celebrated as the "liberal lion of the Senate."
The Democratic Party has become the goon squad party and its supporters are ignorant and shameless hypocrites.
Garage Mahal is the perfect exemplar of that party.
Or maybe the PROBABILITY, near certainty, okay, undeniable fact that there was stunning incompetence and a dishonest politically-motivated narrative is reason enough to hope to weaken this president politically and damage a potential Hillary '16 run.
And BTW, nobody's "petrified" of Hillary. She was a shitty, shady candidate well before Benghazi. Unlike her husband she has no presence and can't talk to people, only at them, and in that unappealing shouty voice. She has nothing to add intellectually, her "ideas" are the same stale pre-fab standard-issue progressive bullshit that all Dems run out these days. In sum, she's next in line to the throne. That's all. She's the Establshment's anointed one this time around. Like Bob Dole was next in line. And John McCain. The horror is that Dems are so lock-step establishment now they'll vote for anyone their handlers tell them. And the media shmear machine will take care of challengers right and left. They can even make Hillary look good.
Democrats and the media ignoring and lying about #Benghazi has NOTHING to do with Democrats hoping for Hillary! in 2016. Not at all!
So what is the Hillary lie again? I remember not too long ago conservatives were blowing big fat wet kisses at Hillary. Thought she was getting a raw deal!
Honestly, at least the Fast and Furious brouhaha made a little sense?
So what is the Hillary lie again?
Demonstrating that his level of seriousness about what actually happened is not above the I-couldn't-give-a-shit level.
To be sure no one is above partisan concerns. However, let's take a look back at the behavior of Republicans at Watergate, courtesy of David Gelernter and Power Line:
How would Republicans act if a GOP administration were under this sort of cloud? We know exactly how.
It was the radically partisan Edward Kennedy who proposed that a senate select committee investigate Watergate--but in February 1973, the Senate voted unanimously to create that committee. Republican Senator Howard Baker was vice chairman, and asked the key question: "What did the president know and when did he know it?"
Which Democratic senator will ask that question today, now that the issue isn't breaking-and-entering but lying about four murders, including the murder of an American ambassador? Which cabinet member will be Eliot Richardson and resign rather than continuing to be part of a coverup? Will John Kerry rise to the challenge?
Those are fine questions and in the Democratic Party I thought I once belonged to they would have some honorable answers.
But not in today's Democratic Party -- the goon squad party.
So what is the Hillary lie again?
Your level of political understanding is:
"If Republicans are for it, I'm against it"
You're dumber than usual today, so I take it the state check didn't come as expected?
Demonstrating that his level of seriousness about what actually happened is not above the I-couldn't-give-a-shit level.
Just produce a credible link to a source that demonstrates what the lie is.
Bravo, Rand Paul!
The inevitability of Hillary as President makes me want to puke.
I remember not too long ago conservatives were blowing big fat wet kisses at Hillary.
Really? News to me. Maybe she got something right. Stopped clock and all of that.
So what is the Hillary lie again?
You'll notice I didn't say Hillary lied, although I have very little doubt she's told the complete truth. Her dissembling during her testimony for screw ups in the State Department was a sight to behold. Had she any sense of personal honor she'd be cooperating in full to tell the US what happened, why she denied security and why she blamed this on a crappy you tube video.
But she isn't. All she can say is "what difference does it make?"
If conservatives want to screw up her chances in 2016, maybe it's because they'd like to avoid fiascos like Benghazi. Or worse.
But hey - are you going to go harass some trout this weekend? I'm taking my kids out for the weekend. Of course with the kids, that usually means I don't get much actual fishing time.
garage mahal The Gimp said…
Honestly, at least the Fast and Furious brouhaha made a little sense?
Benghazi could turn out to be a bigger, more fucked up version of Fast and Furious.
You'll notice I didn't say Hillary lied, although I have very little doubt she's told the complete truth
This is the entire Benghazi scandal in a nutshell.
But hey - are you going to go harass some trout this weekend?
I'll take the kids bluegill fishing, and hopefully get some casts in for bass.
I'm listening to congressman Adam Kinzinger on the WLS Roe Conn Show where he described a recent incident involving Hillary Clinton at a classified briefing to Congress. He says "a female congressman" asked Hillary if the video recordings showed that the attack was by Al Qaeda. He said Hillary adamantly denied that it was a terrorist attack and even went on futher to verbally accost and insult the female representative.
garage mahal said...
Just produce a credible link to a source that demonstrates what the lie is.
That's funny.
You are pretending this is all confusing and in need of a link.
You are pretending this is all confusing and in need of a link.
Consider it confusing. Got a link?
The inconvenient truth about Benghazi
Read the whole thing.
The MSM won't do what Peggy just did here.
garage mahal said...
Just produce a credible link to a source that demonstrates what the lie is.
You don't give a fuck about "lies" you're just here to try and change the subject.
But it was funny in part of your effort to change the subject the other day you asserted Bush lied!!!
When asked to list a single "lie" Bush allegedly told, you kept name calling and screeching about how much of a dipshit you are, generally.
This is quite the idiotic performance you're putting on today.
garage mahal said...
Consider it confusing.
Of course it is real confusing, you're a low information voter.
Remember how you said Bush was a liar and couldn't name a single lie, dummy?
That was fun.
garagie screeches that Bush "lied" yet he can't seem to think of a Hillary Clinton lie.
This is a totally stunning development here.
Absolutely unforeseen.
Here's one lie, garage:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_BfDKLypDms
Here's a second, related lie, garage:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_BfDKLypDms
I'm really starting to love this guy.
garage mahal said...
Republicans making a huge issue over #BENGHAZI has NOTHING to do with Republicans being petrified of Hillary in 2016. Not at all!
She's been a joke all her life.
She's not going anywhere.
Remember "Little First Lady With Megalomania"?
creeley23 said...
... at the very least, Mrs. Clinton should never hold high office again.
Rand Paul is obviously correct, but after allowing Mary Jo Kopechne to die at Chappaquidick, Ted Kennedy held high office in the Senate for the rest of his life, was a serious candidate for the Democratic presidential nomination at least once, and went on to be celebrated as the "liberal lion of the Senate."
You forgot King of Capitol Hill.
He was never that serious a nomination hopeful, largely because he always expected it to be handed to him, no different than the Hildabeast, but he does remind us of the origin of the epithet
MASSholes.
Hillary Clinton, liar:
This has been a difficult week for the State Department and for our country. We’ve seen the heavy assault on our post in Benghazi that took the lives of those brave men. We’ve seen rage and violence directed at American embassies over an awful internet video that we had nothing to do with. It is hard for the American people to make sense of that because it is senseless, and it is totally unacceptable.
Benghazi had nothing to do with an Internet video
garage mahal said...
Republicans making a huge issue over #BENGHAZI has NOTHING to do with Republicans being petrified of Hillary in 2016. Not at all!
5/10/13, 12:35 PM
Watergate is chicken shit compared to this. Republicans afraid of Hillary? Jesus man, they want her to run. She has so much shit to defend they couldn't hope for a better candidate to run against.
Jay, quoting Mrs. Clinton:
"We’ve seen the heavy assault on our post in Benghazi that took the lives of those brave men. We’ve seen rage and violence directed at American embassies over an awful internet video that we had nothing to do with."
Her defenders - and she herself, if pressed - will try to get Bill-Clinton-cute and say that both statements are independently true, and that she never directly said the video caused the attack at Benghazi, and that if people are trying to link these two sentences in a cause-and-effect way, that's on them.
So it's not a lie! See how clever I am?
Bill could get away with that sort of thing. With Hillary it kind of falls flat.
LMAO...
A Message to the People of Pakistan from the President and Secretary of State
Jay Carney sez Republicans are to blame.
OMG, of course. Well, that settles it.
With Hillary it kind of falls flat.
Well, not only that, the protests in Cairo had nothing to do with a Youtube video either.
Ahlu Sunna group threatens to burn the U.S. Embassy...
consequences of the continued presence of the U.S. Embassy in Cairo
This was said on 9/8/12.
The video had nothing to do with it.
“When I was approached by Hillary Clinton at the coming-home ceremony of the bodies at Andrews Air Force Base, and she said, ‘We’re going to go out and we’re going to prosecute that person that made the video,’ I knew that she wasn’t telling the truth, and I think the whole world knows that now,”
- garage sides with a career politician over the father of a killed Navy Seal.
Shockingly, of course.
In the Noonan column AprilApple linked:
The Obama White House sees every event as a political event. Really, every event, even an attack on a consulate and the killing of an ambassador.
Because of that, it could not tolerate the idea that the armed assault on the Benghazi consulate was a premeditated act of Islamist terrorism. That would carry a whole world of unhappy political implications, and demand certain actions. And the American presidential election was only eight weeks away. They wanted this problem to go away, or at least to bleed the meaning from it.
Which is basically what our liberal trolls are up to as well. It's all politics to them. They have no interest in honesty, competence, or integrity, much less truth. It's all a matter of pushing an agenda.
Stupid= you actually believed Obama's stupid YouTube fable. Evil= you knew he was lying but supported him anyway.
Garage -
Why hasn't the FBI spoken to Hicks yet? After all, eight months was "a long time ago".
Do you feel like taxpayers are getting their money's worth out of their investigation?
Benghazi had nothing to do with an Internet video
Benghazi is not an embassy. The remarks you quoted she was obviously referring to embassies. Duh.
arage mahal said...
Benghazi is not an embassy. The remarks you quoted she was obviously referring to embassies. Duh.
How fucking pathetic are you?
The remarks quoted were at the arrival of the bodies from Benghazi, you silly dumb fuck.
So she just decided to interject "embassies" in that scenario for kicks, right stupid shit?
So she wasn't talking about Benghazi in a speech at the funeral for those who died in Benghazi?
CLINTON (9/14/12): This has been a difficult week for the State Department and for our country. We’ve seen the heavy assault on our post in Benghazi that took the lives of those brave men. We’ve seen rage and violence directed at American embassies over an awful internet video that we had nothing to do with. It is hard for the American people to make sense of that because it is senseless, and it is totally unacceptable.
garage mahal said...
Benghazi had nothing to do with an Internet video
Benghazi is not an embassy. The remarks you quoted she was obviously referring to embassies.
You're a silly, fat, pathetic fuck.
emarks at the Transfer of Remains Ceremony to Honor Those Lost in Attacks in Benghazi, Libya:
his has been a difficult week for the State Department and for our country. We’ve seen the heavy assault on our post in Benghazi that took the lives of those brave men. We’ve seen rage and violence directed at American embassies over an awful internet video that we had nothing to do with. It is hard for the American people to make sense of that because it is senseless, and it is totally unacceptable.
Clinton and State wanted to make it an embassy garage, because despite the good reasons that showed that maybe Libyans were up to the task of some form of representative gov't, it also served their interests. Libya was the anti Bush, internationalist coalition, air strikes Obama success.
Can't have Ansar Al Sharia spoiling Dear Leader's vision.
Keep in mind Obama's base is pro-peace. They can never be placated but they can be fed enough peaciness to keep their votes coming.
Keeping up your trollish task, I see.
Jay was wrong about something?
My stars!
Notice how predictable garage's response was:
JPS said...
Her defenders - and she herself, if pressed - will try to get Bill-Clinton-cute and say that both statements are independently true,
That was 30 minutes before you replied, dumb fuck.
Also note, dumb fuck:
Hillary Clinton told the father of one of the Navy Seals who died that "We’re going to go out and we’re going to prosecute that person that made the video"
Also note, dumb fuck:
The attack on the US Embassy in Cairo, had nothing to do with a video.
Benghazi is not an embassy. The remarks you quoted she was obviously referring to embassies. Duh.
Seriously? I'm more in awe that you would end that sentence with a "duh" than I am that you literally took time to type it.
Last I checked, the terrorists didn't fly two airliners into a date either, but that's what we call the attacks.
Notice how predictable garage's response was:
Because what you posted you knew was a lie, and I answered it?
garage mahal said...
Jay was wrong about something?
Notice how pathetic you are.
You have been reduced to pretending that Hillary wasn't referring to the death of the four people in Benghazi by talking about an Internet video upon the arrival of their bodies.
Note: The attack on the US embassy in Cairo had nothing to do with a video. That is also a lie.
Also note: Hillary Clinton told the father of one of the Navy Seals who died that "We’re going to go out and we’re going to prosecute that person that made the video"
Finally, upon being pressed to name a Bush "lie" that you screeched about, you ran like the pathetic coward you are.
Troll.
garage mahal said...
Because what you posted you knew was a lie
Except what I posted was not a lie.
You have reduced yourself to a level that is beneath dog shit.
Garage -
Does this inspire confidence in you that the government is doing everything in their power to get to the truth?
http://uneditedpolitics.com/benghazi-witness-greg-hicks-i-was-never-interviewed-by-fbi-on-benghazi-5813/
Seriously? I'm more in awe that you would end that sentence with a "duh" than I am that you literally took time to type it.
Benghazi is not an embassy. Is this controversial? Or is this obfuscation needed to keep pushing the HILLARY! LIED! part of the conversation going?
garage mahal said...
Benghazi had nothing to do with an Internet video
Benghazi is not an embassy. The remarks you quoted she was obviously referring to embassies. Duh.
Troll Central must have called some phony folksy at the "office". This is his kind of weaseling.
A consulate is still American soil, and, if it was unguarded, a much better target.
garage mahal said...
Because what you posted you knew was a lie,
illary Clinton told the father of one of the Navy Seals who died that "We’re going to go out and we’re going to prosecute that person that made the video"
But she wasn't talking about Benghazi!!!!
Really, she wasn't!!!
The attack on the US embassy in Cairo had nothing to do with a video. That is also a demonstration of a Hillary Clinton lie.
garage mahal said...
Benghazi is not an embassy
Notice how hard he has to hold on to this.
Hillary Clinton told the father of one of the Navy Seals who died in Benghazi that "We’re going to go out and we’re going to prosecute that person that made the video"
But she wasn't talking about Benghazi!!!!
Or is this obfuscation needed to keep pushing the HILLARY! LIED! part of the conversation going?
Nice projection.
The US embassy in Cairo was not attacked over a video.
Which also demonstrates a Hillary Clinton lie.
We’re going to go out and we’re going to prosecute that person that made the video"
Which is actually awful all on it's lonesome if you buy the line that she actually believed this was all due to a video. The its-mine-to-lose Democratic presidential nominee for 2016 wants to round people up for making videos she doesn't agree with.
I'm not sure which is worse. Lying to cover up incompetence in which people die because leadership got wobbly or being honest about your prog predication to stomp on necks.
As I thought. Carry on.
Republicans making a huge issue over #BENGHAZI has NOTHING to do with Republicans being petrified of Hillary in 2016. Not at all!
Lame.
Frankly, I think the thing to worry about is Christie doing a party-switch after the 2014 elections. I think he has a better chance as a Dumbocrat than as a Repukican.
Stevens was certainly dedicated to the Libyans, but establishing an eventual embassy in Benghazi was pushed hard by State as well, even as others were pulling out of the area.
It would just be nice to see Hilary Clinton stand up as bravely as did Stevens. You know, if she really believed in her job, her people, and the mission.
Instead, she is constantly angling and hustling for the next big thing, clutching her name brand Clinton purse full of political capital. Such is politics, but it's dispiriting to witness.
America can do better than the Clintons, but that has mattered too little to too many for too long.
Garage has been reduced to pretending that Hillary Clinton said in a speech:
We’ve seen rage and violence directed at American embassies over an awful internet video that we had nothing to do with. It is hard for the American people to make sense of that because it is senseless, and it is totally unacceptable.
And said after the speech to the father one of those killed in Benghazi:
"We’re going to go out and we’re going to prosecute that person that made the video"
that it is sheer coincidence.
That is a high school educated person in action for you.
Hillary Clinton:
We’ve seen rage and violence directed at American embassies over an awful internet video that we had nothing to do with. It is hard for the American people to make sense of that because it is senseless, and it is totally unacceptable.
The US Embassy in Cairo was not attacked over any video.
She lied.
garage mahal said...
So she wasn't talking about Benghazi in a speech at the funeral for those who died in Benghazi?
CLINTON (9/14/12): This has been a difficult week for the State Department and for our country. We’ve seen the heavy assault on our post in Benghazi that took the lives of those brave men. We’ve seen rage and violence directed at American embassies over an awful internet video that we had nothing to do with. It is hard for the American people to make sense of that because it is senseless, and it is totally unacceptable.
5/10/13, 3:10 PM
What's inexcusable is the parsing and dissembling to cover the complete lack of competence and responsibility. It's unacceptable that these incompetants-to be charitable- at a moment of a life and death decision, when our country was being attacked- decided that American lives were expendable for the cause of re-electing Barack Hussein Obama.
While we are at it. This:
“I wasn’t involved in the talking points process.... As I understand it, as I’ve been told, it was a typical interagency process where staff, including from the State Department, all participated, to try to come up with whatever was going to be made publicly available, and it was an intelligence product.”
— Then-Secretary of State Hillary Rodham Clinton, Jan. 23, 2013
Is a complete lie too.
Reports are that there will be additional whistleblowers coming forward, including from the CIA.
I hope the Obama bus has some new tires, because Clinton's pudgey as is about to get run over.
Astro said...
Frankly, I think the thing to worry about is Christie doing a party-switch after the 2014 elections. I think he has a better chance as a Dumbocrat than as a Repukican.
Why would Democrats elect a spending cutter? They only tolerate Christie because it helps them pose as moderates. If he were to run as a Democrat he'd immediately become the very embodiment of John Edwards two Americas. The left did the same thing to McCain.
Jay Carney's press conference today:
They've released a fog of lies on #Benghazi, hoping we'll all get so lost that we finally give up. Now they're choking on it.
The idea of Rand Paul taking Hillary Clinton to task. Pretty comical.
Hillary Clinton, Susan Rice, and Jay Carney have all told shameless lies regarding Benghazi.
The idea of Rand Paul taking Hillary Clinton to task. Pretty comical.
The idea of harrogate or garage making substantive comments. Entirely comical.
#BENGHAZI has NOTHING to do with Republicans being petrified of Hillary in 2016.
........HILLARY! 2016!........
What difference does it make?
...would make an excellent yard sign.
creeley,
Come on, now. Don't get all upset. I can see you are outraged in good faith. I never said otherwise about you.
garage:
"Benghazi is not an embassy. Is this controversial?"
I concede: There is no U.S. embassy in Benghazi. Therefore when Hillary Clinton referred to attacks on our embassies, she was obviously not talking about the attack on our consulate in Benghazi.
The fact that she was speaking in honor of the first U.S. Ambassador to die in the line of duty in 30 years? No connection; only rabid wingnuts would infer one. The fact that these sentences were back-to-back in a prepared speech? Happenstance. Obviously she wasn't inviting her listeners to connect the two. This wasn't the sort of "see, I never technically lied" her husband did so well.
You sure showed us, garage. Exult - you've earned it.
Therefore when Hillary Clinton referred to attacks on our embassies
There were no embassies attacked due to a video.
She lied about that.
It is beyond comical to watch garage go all semantic when he is not even smart enough to realize his response isn't relevant.
I remember not too long ago conservatives were blowing big fat wet kisses at Hillary.
"Better than Obama" isn't exactly high praise.
We’ve seen rage and violence directed at American embassies over an awful internet video that we had nothing to do with.
Can you demonstrate that the embassy attacks had shit to do with a video?
They blamed Banghazi on one and lied. I should trust them on this?
Also, since Benghazi wasn't an embassy, what as the OTHER embassy that was attacked on 9/11/12?
It is beyond comical to watch garage go all semantic when he is not even smart enough to realize his response isn't relevant.
You made up posted misleading bullshit hoping I wouldn't catch it. I debunked it. That's what happened.
Jay,
"There were no embassies attacked due to a video."
You know, I consider myself reasonably well-informed, at least in a casual way, but I didn't know this. I had thought that the Cairo riots were indeed over the video, or the rumor of one.
In case it amuses you, I was in Afghanistan when the briefly famous pastor in Florida announced he was going to burn a Koran. I learned of this through an Afghan friend, who was (a) pretty pissed (here he is siding with the Americans, and we go and do things like this), and (b) worried for us - specifically, he wanted me to let our intel officer know there was talk of a riot downtown, and it might not be a good idea to send any convoys through until things cooled off. Good man.
Notice garage didn't respond to the links I provided. It is easier for him to parse falsehood from a written quote than from Hillary's own statement.
Garage cares nothing for the truth.
I can't say he never did, but the contortions dishonesty the Clinton's and Obama have,made him go through have corrupted his moral sense thoroughly.
Jay Nordlinger was right: the worst part of Political Correctness is not that you aremhearing utter nonsense, but that they force you to repeat patent nonsense as if it were true. Once you give up your integrity for that, they can make you dance to any lie they want.
Hence, the ridiculous statements by garage, phx, Inga, harrogate, Ritmo.
They aren't stupid...their morals have been sold to stay on what they fervently think is the winning side.
The first U.S. Ambassador to die in the line of duty in 30 years
Yes, and the idea that Hillary's spokeswoman could redline, write, and re-write talking points without review and input from her boss, in that scenario is laughable.
They really do think the American people are dumb and just so lucky to have them in charge.
I debunked it.
Um, no you didn't.
See, no "embassies" were attacked over a video.
I debunked it. That's what happened
She claimed embassies, plural, were subjected to "rage and violence directed at American embassies over an awful internet video that we had nothing to do with."
Even assuming it had anything to do with a video (which social media on 9/10 proves it did not), which embassies was she referring to.
Cairo and...?
Come on, now. Don't get all upset. I can see you are outraged in good faith. I never said otherwise about you.
harrogate: What does my outrage, good faith or otherwise, have to do with you and garage trolling a serious topic?
Is it of no consequence to you that the Obama administration allowed an American ambassador to be attacked and murdered by radical Muslims on the anniversary of 9-11 then fabricate a bunch of stories to cover up that failure?
All I can conclude is that it is all politics for Obama, his administration, the press and his supporters. If so, that is shameful for them and dangerous for our nation.
But as near as I can tell nothing matters to Democrats but their political power.
You made up posted misleading bullshit hoping I wouldn't catch it
You didn't "catch" anything.
You are barely literate.
You have a high school education.
You don't do logic and you have very, very limited reading comprehension.
So of course you think you "debunked" something.
I'd like to know what she has ever accomplished in her life other than being married to BJ Clinton and we all know the history of that marriage. Not to forget her sorry performance in crafting the failed healthcare bill in the early nineties.
On September 8, 2012, Jihadi groups in Egypt, including Islamic Jihad, the Sunni Group, and Al Gamaa Al Islamiyya have issued a statement threatening to burn the U.S. Embassy in Cairo to the ground.
There was no attack due to a video.
Hillary lied.
You have a high school education.
Then it must really suck that you can't pass off your misleading horeshit as fact to me.
In a speech at the Transfer of Remains Ceremony to Honor Those Lost in Attacks in Benghazi, Libya, Hillary Clinton says "We’ve seen rage and violence directed at American embassies over an awful internet video that we had nothing to do with" and after the speech tells the father of one of the US Navy seals killed: "We’re going to go out and we’re going to prosecute that person that made the video" and garagie thinks it is responsive to shout "There is no embassy in Benghazi"
That's high school education at work, folks.
garage mahal said...
Then it must really suck that you can't pass off your misleading horeshit as fact to me
It isn't my fault you don't understand.
Note: there were no "embassies" attacked due to a video.
Of course garagie is ignoring this to hold on to his non-responsive talking point.
I don't know why people waste their time responding to Garage. I skip over all of his comments. I'm sure most people do.
Hillary has a certain adroitness that stems, I suspect, from the firm knowledge that the media has her back—no matter how self-serving her public pronouncements. No particular talents to speak of, and certainly no major accomplishments—except, perhaps, the relentless pursuit and acquisition of political power.
But, she's a symbol. And, an alluring figure for a citizenry that now seems mostly indistinguishable from a late-night, talk-show audience. By my count, she would be our second symbolic president in a row.
garage: Benghazi is not an embassy
...that's because Hillary! (or her speechwriters) were too incompetent to know the difference between 'embassy' and 'consulate'.
The only "misleading horseshit" is garage hopping around desperately on the only leg he can stand on.
garage is now reduced to claiming that at the Transfer of Remains Ceremony to Honor Those Lost in Attacks in Benghazi, Libya, Hillary Clinton didn't mention why those in Benghazi were killed.
that's funny.
There was no attack due to a video.
Hillary lied.
The fighters said at the time that they were moved to act because of the video, which had first gained attention across the region after a protest in Egypt that day.
"Turmoil Over Contentious Video Spreads."
"Video Insult To Islam Spread To Nearly 20 Countries."
Google Blocked Access To Inflammatory Video In Egypt And Libya
Amartel,
The Dems could run a dead body and be confident that their base would turn out to vote for it, the dumb ones in earnest and the "smart" ones ironically.
A dead body would have a natural and constantly-growing constituency in the Democratic Party.
And they vote!
...that's because Hillary! (or her speechwriters) were too incompetent to know the difference between 'embassy' and 'consulate'.
Or you think people are too stupid to know the difference.
And it was 'embassies', not 'embassy'.
"A dead body would have a natural and constantly-growing constituency in the Democratic Party.
And they vote!"
And those dastardly Rethuglicans keep trying to disenfranchise them.
I bet 90% of the Althouse demographic are old, white males.
garage is now reduced to quoting people who attack embassies as truth tellers.
That's funny.
Google Blocked Access To Inflammatory Video In Egypt And Libya
Hilarious.
Without irony, you post that.
Note: no "embassies" were attacked due to a video.
On September 8, 2012, Jihadi groups in Egypt, including Islamic Jihad, the Sunni Group, and Al Gamaa Al Islamiyya issued a statement threatening to burn the U.S. Embassy in Cairo to the ground.
There was no attack due to a video.
Hillary lied.
garage thinks Hillary's comment of "embassies" plural is true.
garage is stupid.
The distasteful and amateurish fourteen-minute video clip that ignited the unrest was first posted on YouTube in July, but it received scant attention until earlier this month, when Maurice Sadek, a Coptic Christian living in Washington DC, whose incendiary anti-Muslim campaigning led to the revocation of his Egyptian citizenship earlier this year, linked to a translated version of the film on an Arabic-language blog and highlighted it in an e-mail newsletter.
The independent daily Al Youm al Sabaa picked up the story and published a three-paragraph article on September 6 calling the film “shocking” and warning it could fuel sectarian tensions between Coptic Christians and Muslims in Egypt. An Islamic web forum soon carried the story, as did other newspapers, yet it remained off the front pages.
It wasn’t until September 9 that the story began to gain traction, when TV host Khaled Abdullah—known for his inflammatory rants against Christians, liberals and secularists—played a clip of the video on his show on El-Nas, a private religious satellite channel. Abdullah and his co-host railed against the film and accused expatriate Copts of wanting to “inflame Egypt.” The Coptic Church issued a statement disavowing the video, as did a number of expatriate Coptic groups. Link
Now that I thoroughly debunked your steaming hot pile of horseshit, I think it's New Glarus time.
Allan:
"I don't know why people waste their time responding to Garage."
I think I'm done debating garage mahal for now. I've got no problem with stupidity per se, but stupidity that smugly mistakes itself for cleverness really gets on my nerves.
Note, garage, that the preceding is not an insult to you. My second sentence is not connected to my first; it just happened to follow it.
garage thinks Hillary's comment of "embassies" plural is true.
Hillary did say "embassies". "Embassies" were attacked.
Slight ray of hope: Yahoo's front page is right now headlining ABC's "Exclusive: Benghazi Talking Points Underwent 12 Revisions, Scrubbed of Terror Reference", and includes a terribly unflattering photo of Hillary at her finest.
That's gotta mean the MSM is starting to turn, at least a bit, doesn't it?
Unfortunately for the continued existence of our Republic, everything John J says, above, @4:44pm is dead-on true..
"Embassies" were attacked.
Uh, great insights.
they were not attacked due to a video.
Idiot.
garage is now reduced to claiming that at the Transfer of Remains Ceremony to Honor Those Lost in Attacks in Benghazi, Libya, Hillary Clinton told the father of one of the Navy Seals who died in Benghazi "We’re going to go out and we’re going to prosecute that person that made the video" well, just because.
Now that I thoroughly debunked your steaming hot pile of horseshit
That's funny.
From the person who claimed "Bush lied" but of course could even offer up a single lie.
Note: there were no "embassies" attacked due to a video.
Hillary lied
garage is now reduced to linking to "the Nation" for "proof" of his claims.
That's hysterical.
Who to believe: numerous news reports of militants attacking embassies angry over the video, or Jay, who has not produced jack shit to prove his point?
"I bet 90% of the Althouse demographic are old, white males."
Maybe, but if we worked for the Democrats, we could get the press to say we were born poor black girls if that's what's needed. Maybe a few Cherokees for diversity.
With no trace of irony, White House Press Secretary Jay Carney is accusing the GOP of politicizing the Benghazi "talking points." (AP/File)
When I want fact based truth telling, I read The Nation!
garage is now reduced to claiming that at the Transfer of Remains Ceremony to Honor Those Lost in Attacks in Benghazi, Libya, Hillary Clinton told the father of one of the Navy Seals who died in Benghazi "We’re going to go out and we’re going to prosecute that person that made the video" well, just because.
Note: garage can not deviate from the script.
No questions, no critical thinking. Just rote repeats of "It wasn't an embassy" and "IT was the video"
Gee, who would think a high school educated Democrat would be so gullible?
Lefties will not admit it or maybe they don't even believe it, but many right wingers, including me would not be dismissing this clusterfuck if a Republican administration did it. It's just way past that level. Hell, they didn't even dismiss Watergate which is less serious than even a small portion of this embarrassment.
For various reasons, if it was a Republican administration, most of us would be on the same page and big heads would roll. That my friends, is why a Republican administration is better to have, and why some fake ass golden boy Democrat was an incredibly stupid vote, devoid of even the minimal foresight.
garage mahal said...
Who to believe: numerous news reports of militants attacking embassies angry over the video, or Jay, who has not produced jack shit to prove his point?
It is funny that I am one of 3 people who have explained to you that Hillary referencing the video In a speech at the Transfer of Remains Ceremony to Honor Those Lost in Attacks in Benghazi, Libya, and after the speech tells the father of one of the US Navy seals killed: "We’re going to go out and we’re going to prosecute that person that made the video" shows that she was, well, blaming the video and your imbecile retort is that is "jack shit"
You're fucking stupid.
Also note: On September 8, 2012, Jihadi groups in Egypt, including Islamic Jihad, the Sunni Group, and Al Gamaa Al Islamiyya issued a statement threatening to burn the U.S. Embassy in Cairo to the ground.
But, but, but the July video!!!!
9/8/12:
Jihadi groups in Egypt, including Islamic Jihad, the Sunni Group, and Al Gamaa Al Islamiyya have issued a statement threatening to burn the U.S. Embassy in Cairo to the ground.
...
The Islamic Group has threatened to burn the U.S. Embassy in Cairo with those in it, and taking hostage those who remain [alive], unless the Blind Sheikh is immediately released.”
Sept 11, Embassy burned to the ground.
ZOMG!!! Totally "jack shit"!!!!
And, note that the Aug 6, 2001 PDB was totally indicative that the 9/11 attack was imminent, but the Sept 8 announcement that the Cairo embassy will be burned, is, well, coincidence.
It must be fun to be garage with such cognitive dissonance.
Keep fucking that chicken Jaybird.
A normal person would be embarrassed if they were you right now. But you ain't normal, that is fer sure.
Lefties will not admit it or maybe they don't even believe it, but many right wingers, including me would not be dismissing this clusterfuck if a Republican administration did it.
LOL
A normal person would be embarrassed if they were you right now
Notice you're reduced to name calling.
Gee, I wonder why that is?
On September 8, 2012, Jihadi groups in Egypt, including Islamic Jihad, the Sunni Group, and Al Gamaa Al Islamiyya issued a statement threatening to burn the U.S. Embassy in Cairo to the ground.
There was no attack due to a video.
Hillary lied.
Oh, that's why.
"That my friends, is why a Republican administration is better to have, and why some fake ass golden boy Democrat was an incredibly stupid vote, devoid of even the minimal foresight."
X
Co-sign.
There was no attack due to a video.
Hillary lied.
Hillary may have lied, but certainly nothing you've produced shows that. On the other hand, my links crushed your whole argument that none of the attacks were inspired by the viedo.
Do you smack your face repeatedly in front of the mirror, for fun?
garage: Good of you to provide arguments and cites for a change.
Could you provide a concise statement of your point? I've lost track.
madAsHell said...
It seems that this investigation of incompetence allows us to ignore the most important question ... Why was the embassy attacked?
Why, yes it has ... for now ... until somebody subpoenas John Brennan. If ever ...
Lipperman said...
Benghazi could turn out to be a bigger, more fucked up version of Fast and Furious.
Y'all are getting closer and closer.
BTW....did anyone listening to the testimony of Gregory Hicks yesterday, live from the Capitol on the C-Span3 link here, NOT hear him testify specifically that he spoke by phone with Secretary Clinton at 0200 Hours 12 Sep 2012 and advised her that it was an "attack" and never mentioned protest, at that hour or any time earlier. He was quite clear about that.
Hilary had the word of her own deputy on the ground in Libya, but she decided to go with a video story? General Martin Dempsey also almost simultaneously got on the phone to Terry Jones of Florida pseudo-Christian wackos to request he not sponsor the video further (he was never a sponsor) because it had incited protests and caused the death of Ambassador Stevens....and made sure that was public information, via Reuters,...to fit the narrative of Hillary, et al....all this decided between 0200 hours and early morning in the USA ... before a shred of any investigation had been started...e.g., inside of 24 hours.
In my time in the military and as a "Fed" I've known some spectacular liars, but none as clumsy and stupid as this crew who can't even keep track of their own phone calls and emails.
..."at the very least, Mrs. Clinton should never hold high office again."
Oh. I don't know. Ambassador to Libya would seem just about right or maybe Serbia.
Can't we be friends? Can't we admit what's obvious? Hillary Clinton and Barrack Obama lied in order to win the 2012 election. This will not be in dispute by historians. Start with the truth. Then figure out what it means and how it should be judged.
It's quite simple really:
1. The Administration, in the face of credible and specific threats,a refused repeated requests for increased security from their Libyan diplomatic mission.
2. The Administration abandoned our diplomats and security personnel in Benghazi in the face of what they knew at that time was a jihadist assault.
3. The Administration lied about all of the above in the immediate aftermath of the attack and throughout the following campaign.
4. Democrats are actively soliciting reporters to undermine #Benghazi whistleblowers
All of garage's verbal pole-dancing can't distract from or conceal that the Administration did nothing to protect the Benghazi consulate before or relieve it during the attack, lied about the Intel and their actions after the attack, and are retaliating at this time against those people exposing their lies.
The never ending pissing match between Jay and Garage et. al. brings to mind this exchange from the under appreciated movie (and Dave Barry novel) Big Trouble: http://youtu.be/3I0K-ymOTS4
garage mahal said...
On the other hand, my links crushed your whole argument that none of the attacks were inspired by the viedo
Hysterical.
I bet.
The Nation, totally objective, totally factually accurate.
You're a boob.
Where was Axelrod that night of September 11th and what did he know about the Mohammend Video?
How did such an obscure video not known to anyone outside of a few thousand hard core Islamists in Cairo, suddenly become front and center of the bait and switch defense of the Obama Administration?
We still don't have all of the records of with whom the President spoke with after the meeting the Chairman of JCS and Leon Panetta on that day. The only records are limited to visitor logs and direct communication. What about texts, emails? Ax was on LV visit the next day.
The swiftness and thoroughness of the Romney bashing by the WH and its minions in the Propaganda Department (MSM) the next day sure looks like it was planned ahead of the Benghazi murders and bears the fingerprints of the Ax.
Would that be why Vicky Nuland went to great pains to edit and redact the talking points but in such a way as to not be massively direct? 12 times the truth known as that moment was reduced until it became a thick demi glace of lies that coincided with the political attacks on Romney.
And what about the monies spent on apologizing in Pakistan for the video, from a government that cannot get an f-15 to flyover Benghazi in two hours they certainly had a quick response to a seemingly spontaneous protesting of an unknown video.
The video is the string, pull on it harder if you want to unravel the tapestry of lies that covers the truth of our President and his involvement in the murders in Benghazi.
Here is what Ax said about Obama in November to Chris Wallace. Note how the President was talking with his National Security team into the night. Ah, the records don't show that do they?
“Chris, as I said, immediately when word of the attack came, the president was meeting with his top national security folks. He was talking to them well into the night. He was in touch with them during the day, as – during the next day as well. So, there is no question about the fact that he was focused on this.”-David Axelrod on Fox News Sunday with Chris Wallace.
Issob Morocco said...
We still don't have all of the records of with whom the President spoke with after the meeting the Chairman of JCS [General Martin Dempsey] and Leon Panetta on that day.
By that time, as I said earlier on this thread, the die was cast and Gen Dempsey promptly went about posing the video meme...in less than 24 hours from when Gregory Hicks reported directly to Secretary Clinton that it was an attack, and never mentioned a protest at that time or earlier.
The big lie was formed between 0200 hours Libya time, 12 September and roughly noon EDT in the USA, in Washington DC, when Dempsey went on his seed planting foray...and made sure Reuters knew about it. All other administration information after that time, Noon 12 September EDT was diluted, omitted, or outright prevaricated to fit the video protest narrative.
I have mentioned much earlier on this subject that I have a lot of Arab Muslim friends, due to where I live. On 12 September and in every conversation for a week + thereafter; "what video?" was the response to this "news" from Washington, DC.
Aridog said ...
The big lie was formed between 0200 hours Libya time, 12 September and roughly noon EDT in the USA, in Washington DC, when Dempsey went on his seed planting foray...and made sure Reuters knew about it.
Let me clarify that time span for you...Libya is 6 hours ahead of U.S. Eastern Daylight Time. In other words, 2:00 AM in Libya is 8:00 AM in Washington DC. By 12:00 Noon the video/protest story was put out, by General Dempsey [on record and reported to Reuters] and that means the decision was made to go with the video/protest narrative inside of 4 hours on 12 September 2012.
On 16 September Susan Rice was trotted out to the talk shows with what we are now told was the best information we had at the time.
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