Althouse: "A sex-ed teacher seduced her eighth-grade student after he said he had a problem with his manhood and she demanded to see it..."

May 10, 2013

"A sex-ed teacher seduced her eighth-grade student after he said he had a problem with his manhood and she demanded to see it..."

"Marlena Mints, 31, allegedly performed oral sex on the 13-year-old in her classroom during recess at Bessie Coleman Middle School in Cedar Hill, near Dallas."

Is the word "seduced" — used by The Daily News — appropriate?

75 comments:

bagoh20 said...: That's a tough one to parse out. What is missing that would make it definitely seduction?; 5/10/13, 9:16 PM
Palladian said...: Women obviously shouldn't be teaching children. They're worse than Roman Catholic priests!; 5/10/13, 9:18 PM
ampersand said...: Sounds like Cartman and Ms. Choksondik; 5/10/13, 9:20 PM
Palladian said...: Looking at her photograph, I think her name should be Marlena "Wafer-Thin" Mints.; 5/10/13, 9:21 PM
bagoh20 said...: "They're worse than Roman Catholic priests!"

That's a minority opinion - 5% maybe.; 5/10/13, 9:21 PM
mccullough said...: Abused not seduced; 5/10/13, 9:22 PM
edutcher said...: Your kid is more likely to be molested by a union teacher than a Catholic priest.

Especially if it's a horny lame kid.; 5/10/13, 9:24 PM
bagoh20 said...: Seduction implies the desire is like a boulder on top of a hill that only needs a push to get going, then rolls on it's own. I'd say 8-10years old is right about where that boulder shows up.; 5/10/13, 9:25 PM
test said...: Even beyond the mental issues required to molest children, who performs oral sex on someone who says there's something wrong with his penis?

And by the way, the term seduced is used in reference to another person. So Althouse is testing whether we follow links as a follow up to her realization we don't watch video.; 5/10/13, 9:29 PM
furious_a said...: DFW Metroplex are ruling the weird school news this week (the viral "Teach Me" video rant and now this). Go team!; 5/10/13, 9:30 PM
Bob said...: How about "stuffing her face?"; 5/10/13, 9:31 PM
ampersand said...: Btw If you drive into O'hare airport you will pass Bessie Coleman Drive. Bessie was a black aviatrix who was thrown from her stunt plane and fell two thousand feet to her death. Of course Butch O'Hare was a WWII hero who was shot down during the war.
I wonder if jittery fliers would be more jittery knowing this.; 5/10/13, 9:35 PM
Lem Vibe Bandit said...: Mints was arrested and charged with one count of aggravated sexual assault of a child and two counts of improper relationship with students.

That was funny to me... I don't know what exactly. Palladians comment is giving me a hint.; 5/10/13, 9:43 PM
Rob said...: The 13-year-old reportedly said he had a problem with his penis, to which she said she "needed to see it" and asked him to come into her class.
Telling investigators he thought it would be alright as she was his sex-ed teacher, he exposed himself — which is when Mints allegedly performed oral sex.

Problem solved.; 5/10/13, 9:47 PM
edutcher said...: bagoh20 said...

Seduction implies the desire is like a boulder on top of a hill that only needs a push to get going, then rolls on it's own. I'd say 8-10years old is right about where that boulder shows up.

More like 13, unless the kid eats oysters with every meal.; 5/10/13, 9:50 PM
Lem Vibe Bandit said...: Mints breath had a pleasant aroma, and her technique was slightly nutty reminiscent of my breaststrokes from earlier that morning at the school Olympic swimming pool.; 5/10/13, 10:01 PM
Darrell said...: "Teacher Of The Year" from The One World crowd. Pointless sex to cow the masses.; 5/10/13, 10:04 PM
Known Unknown said...: Do schools normally hire "sex-ed" teachers?; 5/10/13, 10:05 PM
Lem Vibe Bandit said...: You know what?

Rape is not funny... is it?

I get the feeling this is one of those things we are going to be called to task over.; 5/10/13, 10:08 PM
rcocean said...: Did every guy look at her picture, and THEN take a position?

We men are so shallow.; 5/10/13, 10:14 PM
Freeman Hunt said...: No, seduced is not appropriate.; 5/10/13, 10:15 PM
Lem Vibe Bandit said...: The idea of a cop at every school was branded as 'armed camp' tactics by 'gun control' advocates... and yet, the idea of sex education to minors is somehow... uplifting.

sorry.; 5/10/13, 10:17 PM
Lem Vibe Bandit said...: Does "seduce" in this context imply a communication between equals?; 5/10/13, 10:20 PM
Matt said...: rcocean said...
Did every guy look at her picture, and THEN take a position?

We men are so shallow.

5/10/13, 10:14 PM

Um. I did.

However, it does, at least somewhat, go both ways. If I were to flirt with a woman at work, there is a decent chance that she would take offense and report me to HR. But, if I looked like and had the smile of George Clooney, there is a better chance that she would swoon for me.

I am not complaining. Not looking like George Clooney makes being faithful that much easier!; 5/10/13, 10:25 PM
Lem Vibe Bandit said...: Did every guy look at her picture, and THEN take a position?

There isn't much room to maneuver.; 5/10/13, 10:26 PM
Known Unknown said...: Did every guy look at her picture, and THEN take a position?

I would choose top. I like to be able to breathe.; 5/10/13, 10:27 PM
Matt said...: My first thought was, "Well, that's why we have eyelids."

But, yes, abused not seduced and that is based 90% on her appearance.; 5/10/13, 10:28 PM
Anonymous said...: Re: "
But, yes, abused not seduced and that is based 90% on her appearance."

But what about the other 20 percent?; 5/10/13, 10:50 PM
rcocean said...: But what about the other 20 percent?

Depends on whether she's a math teacher.; 5/10/13, 11:03 PM
bagoh20 said...: I love the word "aviatrix". We need more words like that in English. To me, it just sings "sexy wings".; 5/10/13, 11:34 PM
Anonymous said...: A 31 years old sex predator raped a 13 years old boy.; 5/11/13, 1:04 AM
Smilin' Jack said...: A 31 years old sex predator raped a 13 years old boy.

Absolutely. He might think it's no big deal, so I hope someone can convince him that actually his life has been devastated and he wIlll need many years of intensive and expensive therapy before he can make even a partial recovery from this horror.; 5/11/13, 1:22 AM
FleetUSA said...: Did she really think the kid wouldn't brag? Not a very bright teacher in a public school. They set the bar lower and lower every day.; 5/11/13, 6:25 AM
madAsHell said...: Judging by the photo.....the kid should be charged with indecent exposure.

All kidding aside, something tells me that there may be several more "victims".; 5/11/13, 7:01 AM
dreams said...: Maybe she was seduced, maybe this 13-year-old has figured out yet another way to get what most teenage boys would want.; 5/11/13, 7:05 AM
FedkaTheConvict said...: Is Mrs. Mints related to Honey Boo Boo's mother?; 5/11/13, 7:06 AM
dreams said...: "All kidding aside, something tells me that there may be several more "victims"."

Who wants to volunteer to be next victim?; 5/11/13, 7:09 AM
SDN said...: Seriously, folks, what the h*ll else did you expect? Just having the position elevates sexual activity to a normal part of the school day. Why do you think he texted her at first? Because he had a question of a sexual nature and had been told she was an authority figure who would answer any questions he had on the subject

Once he was alone with her, 13 and loaded with hormones? Pretty much all of my 8th grade class (at least the male portion) would have jumped at the chance. Rape? It is to laugh.; 5/11/13, 7:23 AM
Dear corrupt left, go F yourselves said...: My guess is that she is a Democrat who watches two and a half men.; 5/11/13, 7:25 AM
Leon said...: wiki says this " deliberately enticing a person, to lead astray" so from that point of view yes. in my mind seduction always has an element of inequality to the relationship...sometimes a willingly forced sort of inequality... eg. that hussy seduced me...wink, wink, nudge, nudge.; 5/11/13, 7:28 AM
Renee said...: If it was a male teacher and a female student, we wouldn't be making jokes.

Seriously to a 13 year old 'tween' a 31 year old woman is an old hag.; 5/11/13, 8:31 AM
TMink said...: Seduced? No. Perpetrated? Indeed.

Jail time, and lots of it would be appropriate, that might giver her pause before her next crime.

Trey; 5/11/13, 8:33 AM
Renee said...: "Why do you think he texted her at first? "

Why did he have her cell phone number?; 5/11/13, 8:34 AM
Ruth Anne Adams said...: The news video mentioned this happened at the school's "praying room." What the heck is that? She read it as "preying" anyway.; 5/11/13, 8:43 AM
Brian Brown said...: My goodness is she a hideous pig.

By the way, when is any Democrat going to acknowledge that there is a nationwide, systemic problem of teachers sexually assaulting students in our nation's public schools?

Because as a student you're about 10,000 times more likely to be sexually assaulted than shot, and Democrats are all for the children and stuff, right?; 5/11/13, 8:59 AM
Anonymous said...: Blogger rcocean said...

Did every guy look at her picture, and THEN take a position?

We men are so shallow.

5/10/13, 10:14 PM
__________________________________

You caught me with my pants down...metaphorically speaking that is.; 5/11/13, 9:10 AM
Brian Brown said...: Have a son, relative, or friend who has his "manhood" examined by a fat, useless, public school teacher now facing criminal charges?

Thank a union.; 5/11/13, 9:16 AM
Steve Koch said...: It is astonishing how many female teachers sexually abuse underage boys, it seems like every week there is another one caught. Since the consequences are so severe for the teacher (bye bye teaching career, hello felony, probable jail time, and lifetime status as a sexual offender), I guess most of the offenders are pretty obsessed with underage boys to take such a crazy risk.

Maybe we should be testing teachers to try to screen out the perps.; 5/11/13, 9:32 AM
SGT Ted said...: Sexual Assault of a 13 YO boy; joke worthy or just to be dismissed.

The War on Boys continues, with posters here explaining away a sexual assault by claiming he wanted it, that every boy just naturally wants a blowjob from a fat pig of a teacher twice their age. All boys are just hot little sluts and should be violated by an adult at the soonest opportunity. They like it.

Nevermind that to boys of 13, 31 years and fat is an OLD FAT LADY.

When it happens to your child, come tell us how great it was.

Especially if you have a girl child. She's 13, he was 31? She wanted it. Girls like sex. There's no victim there.; 5/11/13, 9:33 AM
Renee said...: "Especially if you have a girl child. She's 13, he was 31? She wanted it. Girls like sex. There's no victim there."

I was having a conversation with an older relative, and basically that is how 'back in the day' they defended the crime.

"She lead him on."

How could a victim come forward, knowing that she would be blamed?; 5/11/13, 9:38 AM
Marie said...: Absolutely. He might think it's no big deal, so I hope someone can convince him that actually his life has been devastated and he wIlll need many years of intensive and expensive therapy before he can make even a partial recovery from this horror.

When did we decide that sex is the worst thing that can happen to a kid? Why is sex criminalized? Can we no longer distinguish between shouldn't have done that and teachers shouldn't have sex with kids so we'll fire her and something that deserves prison time?

What is more difficult for this kid to overcome--sex with his teacher or the very public insistence that something awful happened to him?

Ill-considered sex should not call for prison time. Nor should it land the teacher--and the boy--on national news.

And don't get me started on the sex offender registry.; 5/11/13, 9:43 AM
Achilles said...: The reasons to take up homeschooling just keep rolling in.; 5/11/13, 9:48 AM
Achilles said...: The reasons to take up homeschooling just keep rolling in.; 5/11/13, 9:48 AM
SGT Ted said...: When did we decide that sex is the worst thing that can happen to a kid? Why is sex criminalized?

You have got to be fucking kidding me.

They haven't criminalized sex; they have criminalized rape and sexual assault.

If you don't think a 31 YO fat old lady sexually assaulting a 13 YO boy is a crime, well what a sad sick person you are.; 5/11/13, 9:52 AM
SGT Ted said...: Tell me Marie, are you one of those child fuckers that is trying to get the age of consent lowered to 13 so you can have sexual access to them? I can think of no other reason you hold the views you do.; 5/11/13, 9:53 AM
madAsHell said...: watches two and a half men

Yeah.....that show went to hell after Charlie Sheen was fired.; 5/11/13, 9:56 AM
Marie said...: If you don't think a 31 YO fat old lady sexually assaulting a 13 YO boy is a crime, well what a sad sick person you are.

If it were a 31 y/o Victoria's Secret model, would it still be sexual assault? Or is it assault only if the kid is embarrassed to admit it later?

It is possible that it was sexual assault. It is also possible that it was just a blowjob. I don't have any idea; I wasn't there. But the age and weight of the teacher don't determine what it is.; 5/11/13, 9:57 AM
Brian Brown said...: Can we no longer distinguish between shouldn't have done that and teachers shouldn't have sex with kids so we'll fire her and something that deserves prison time?

Oh look, NAMBLA has shown up!

Yeah, pedo's!!!; 5/11/13, 9:58 AM
Brian Brown said...: It is possible that it was sexual assault. It is also possible that it was just a blowjob.

Um, you should look up "sexual assault" and get back to us.

Are you really this fucking dumb or just having fun today?; 5/11/13, 9:58 AM
Marie said...: Tell me Marie, are you one of those child fuckers that is trying to get the age of consent lowered to 13 so you can have sexual access to them?

Did the current age of consent prevent this woman from having "sexual access" to this boy?; 5/11/13, 10:01 AM
TMink said...: Marie wrote: "It is also possible that it was just a blowjob."

No that is not possible, this was a minor that was assaulted. He was below the age of consent, this violates the laws we have that prohibit adults from having sex with minors. Consent is not an issue.

Marie, are you really that ignorant of our laws?

And most people, boys and girls, who are perpetrated in this manner live a life of sexual difficulty. The difficulties range from difficulty having consensual sex, what we call frigidity, to difficulties having indiscriminate sex that causes them repetitive problems at work and in relationships, we call this sexual addiction.

But really, Marie, are these concepts so foreign and new to you?

Trey; 5/11/13, 10:07 AM
Marie said...: Adults should not be having sex with children nor did I ever say it should be acceptable. I assume that everyone is appalled by what happened.

If we are worried about how the blowjob affects this boy, I am suggesting that the public uproar is more damaging to him than the act itself was.; 5/11/13, 10:11 AM
Brian Brown said...: It is also possible that it was just a blowjob

That is creepy.; 5/11/13, 10:14 AM
Steve Koch said...: Marie's blog:
http://handbasketnotes.blogspot.com/

Her husband was caught with child porn on his computer and is now in deep trouble with the law.; 5/11/13, 10:16 AM
Marie said...: Trey, I am more aware of sexual addiction and its effects than anyone ought to be.

I am also well aware of the laws.

Thanks for asking.; 5/11/13, 10:18 AM
Marie said...: That is creepy.

Yeah, I should walk back my too-casual attitude there but I was thinking of how a kid might see it. This woman and her activities only came to light after one of the students bragged about what happened.; 5/11/13, 10:25 AM
Chip S. said...: If it were a 31 y/o Victoria's Secret model, would it still be sexual assault?

Not as far as I'm concerned. I'd welcome that, and decline similar servicing from that hideous cow of a teacher.

You see, Marie, that involves consent, the absence of which is what defines sexual assault.; 5/11/13, 10:30 AM
Steve Koch said...: Marie,

Your attitude is not just too casual, you are just flat out wrong, way wrong. You should study the negative psychological impacts of abusing children sexually before making any more comments on the sexual abuse of children.; 5/11/13, 10:37 AM
rhhardin said...: One thing leads to another. That's what sex is wired to do.; 5/11/13, 10:52 AM
Skeptical Voter said...: She went for his "manhood" like a Great White Shark goes after a seal.

I dunno--I don't think that this is the first time it happened with this woman.; 5/11/13, 11:00 AM
eddie willers said...: Nevermind that to boys of 13, 31 years and fat is an OLD FAT LADY.

Yes....but an OLD FAT LADY that gives blow jobs.; 5/11/13, 11:40 AM
TMink said...: Marie wrote: "If we are worried about how the blowjob affects this boy, I am suggesting that the public uproar is more damaging to him than the act itself was."

Oh, sorry I misunderstood. Please forgive me.

The research on the matter shows that it is not the act alone that predicts how damaging perpetration is, but how the relationships between the parties mitigate or increase the trauma. The worst relational configuration is if the victim has a positive relationship with the perpetrator, significant others have a positive view of and relationship with the perp, and significant others have a negative view of/relationship with the victim.

The best outcomes reverse those relationships. So the honest answer to your question is, well it depends!

If the victim takes the negative reactions of the public as supportive, it helps. If he feels shame thinking that people know who he is and blame him or think he is a doofus, then it hurts.

And again, sorry for misunderstanding where you were coming from.

Trey; 5/11/13, 11:51 AM
Alex said...: so NOT hot for teacher.; 5/11/13, 11:56 AM
Baron Zemo said...: It is true that a minuscule minority of homosexual priests abused young adolescent boys. The fact that the numbers are so small is no excuse. One is too many.

But many, many, many more are abused every year by unionized teachers. It happens so often that most times it doesn't even make the papers. It only is an issue because it is a woman. Otherwise it would be business as usual for public education.; 5/11/13, 12:01 PM
damikesc said...: Again...the Catholic Church has a problem with molestation.

NOT public schools.

Remember that always.; 5/11/13, 8:19 PM