Althouse: "Some scholars opined that the coffee house was 'even worse than the wine room'..."

April 18, 2013

"Some scholars opined that the coffee house was 'even worse than the wine room'..."

"... and the authorities noted how these places could easily become dens of sedition. However, all attempts at banning coffee failed, even though the death penalty was used during the reign of Murad IV (1623-40). The religious scholars eventually came to a sensible consensus that coffee was, in principle, permissible."

53 comments:

Anonymous said...: Fitting that coffee came to Europe through the Port of Mocha.; 4/18/13, 9:28 PM
traditionalguy said...: Caffeine is one of the most addictive drugs known and creates bad headaches in withdrawals...but there is also caffeine in Tea and most Coca-Cola drinks so one need never suffer unless trapped in a hospital.; 4/18/13, 9:43 PM
MadisonMan said...: Religious leaders always trying to tell you what to do.

If you don't drink coffee, or tea, or cola, regularly, you can avoid the caffeine withdrawal headaches, because you never become addicted to it. That's what I do. It is slowly morphing into iced coffee season, however, and I do love me some iced coffee. Thankfully, the iced coffee at Union South sucks, so there's not much temptation to get it.; 4/18/13, 9:52 PM
ampersand said...: What happened to the travelogs? Were you getting
A. Seasick
B. Airsick
C. Armchairsick?; 4/18/13, 9:56 PM
edutcher said...: Well, you wanted the blog to be a coffee house, so all the sedition preached should be most gratifying.; 4/18/13, 9:58 PM
Emil Blatz said...: Diet Coke with Splenda(tm).; 4/18/13, 10:02 PM
Anonymous said...: This comment has been removed by the author.; 4/18/13, 10:03 PM
Anonymous said...: I had a hankering for iced coffee yesterday so I whipped up a frappucino out of some ice cubes, cream and leftover coffee, with a splash of rum extract, mmm hit the spot. I live on iced coffee in summer.; 4/18/13, 10:04 PM
Sydney said...: Charles II denounced them in 1675 as "places where the disaffected met, and spread scandalous reports concerning the conduct of His Majesty and his Ministers".

Althouse is a coffee house.; 4/18/13, 10:04 PM
furious_a said...: Speaking of the Turks...

...Viennese bakers created the Croissant to commemorate Christendom's defeat of the Turks at the second siege of Vienna.

The Viennese, the Magyars and the Turks each claim that *they* invented Strudel.; 4/18/13, 10:04 PM
chickelit said...: It's too late in the evening to read that. It will keep me up. I'll get to it in the morning.; 4/18/13, 10:09 PM
Lem Vibe Bandit said...: Headaches induced by "coffee withdrawals" is an outer space alien concept to me.

I don't keep track but there must have been days when I went w/o coffee and I don't remember those days marked by such a traumatic? event as a headache.

I'm not saying people don't have them... I'm saying I don't remember having them.; 4/18/13, 10:13 PM
Lem Vibe Bandit said...: It will keep me up.

Oh that's good!; 4/18/13, 10:17 PM
Lem Vibe Bandit said...: "places where the disaffected met, and spread scandalous reports concerning the conduct of His Majesty and his Ministers".

I checked up on how Laura Bush sat as she was photographed during the 9/11 national cathedral interdenominational service...

I afraid of what I might find...

Laura had her legs crossed in one.

But Still, I think Althouse was on point saying how Michelle appeared to be sitting. I don't know how to describe it.; 4/18/13, 10:33 PM
traditionalguy said...: Coffee really needs a tobacco smoke to get the best results. And chocolate is a caffeine source too.

Starbucks expreso shots and mocha served in a smoking section like the Cigar Store has outside, now that would be mine and Mohammed's idea of Heaven.; 4/18/13, 11:04 PM
Anonymous said...: "Caffeine is one of the most addictive drugs known and creates bad headaches in withdrawals."

The first time I tried to quit smoking, I also gave up coffee, since I thought having a morning cup of coffee without a cigarette was impossible. I got the worst headache of my life. It was so bad I couldn't work. I found a closet somewhere in the office and crawled into it, hoping for death. I thought it was nicotine withdrawal. No, it was caffeine withdrawal.

When I finally succeeded in giving up cigarettes, some 15 years later, I forced myself to drink the coffee without the morning smoke.

I gave up cigarettes but I can't give up coffee. Quitting smoking caused enough misery. I'll not put myself through that wringer ever again.; 4/18/13, 11:10 PM
Lem Vibe Bandit said...: It will keep me up

Not in my house!; 4/18/13, 11:11 PM
Oso Negro said...: Say what you will about the religious scholars, but they quite correctly identified the potential of coffee houses for facilitating sedition. The present Grand Mufti in Saudi Arabia warns that free mixing of the sexes will lead to increased decadence and adultery. He is quite correct also.; 4/18/13, 11:30 PM
Oso Negro said...: This comment has been removed by the author.; 4/18/13, 11:30 PM
AlanKH said...: Diet Coke with Splenda(tm).

I wish someone would make unsweetened sodas so that people could sweeten to taste. I like the sweetness level of a Coke for colas and that of a ginger ale for everything else. Root beers have almost twice the sugar of a ginger ale, and EVERYTHING artificially sweetened tastes sweeter than sugary root beer. (Is Splenda made from powdered My Little Pony or something?)

Maybe I could learn to make my own soda - a useful skill in case Michael Bloomberg gets appointed FDA director.; 4/19/13, 12:17 AM
Lem Vibe Bandit said...: “He woke up under so much drugs, asked for a paper and pen and wrote, ‘bag, saw the guy, looked right at me,’” Chris Bauman said yesterday in an interview.

These may be the ones we been waiting for?; 4/19/13, 1:07 AM
Chip Ahoy said...: Murad IV celebrates the religious scholars coming to their senses.; 4/19/13, 2:14 AM
Anonymous said...: Hey lefties...

Bill Ayers's children are being chased right now in Boston! Turn on your TVs, see the people that Obama will pardon and call his friend in 2 years!

Enjoy the decline!; 4/19/13, 4:12 AM
Lem Vibe Bandit said...: Police shootout in Watertown Mass with the persons of interest the FBI identified last night as the possible Boston Marathon Bombers.

One of the persons of interest is dead as well as one of the persons of interest.

Live coverage of the firefight.; 4/19/13, 4:17 AM
Lem Vibe Bandit said...: I meant a police officer... as well as the "black hat" person of interest. dead.; 4/19/13, 4:22 AM
Lem Vibe Bandit said...: The now diseased "black hat" person of interest arrived at the hospital with what appeared to doctors as explosive shrapnel injuries.

"White hat" person of interest is still at large.; 4/19/13, 4:30 AM
Aridog said...: Lem said...

The now deceased "black hat" person of interest arrived at the hospital with what appeared to doctors as explosive shrapnel injuries.

Thanks for that clarification...several "headlines" on Google News had it that he was "apprehended" ... I guess "dead" is a form of apprehension, eh :-)

Now I await publication of the dead guy's name...I haven't seen that yet. Yes, it will make a difference to many people.; 4/19/13, 5:10 AM
President-Mom-Jeans said...: Waking up to entire public transit system shut down in Boston.

No buses, T, commuter rail.

The city is on lockdown.; 4/19/13, 5:12 AM
Lem Vibe Bandit said...: I hearing an unconfirmed report that they were here on student visas.

The MIT police office was "ambushed" never had a chance.

The two persons of interest carjacked an SUV and took the driver with them... letting him go at a gas station.; 4/19/13, 5:24 AM
President-Mom-Jeans said...: They are saying they are from Chechnya now.

Gee, I wonder what religion they are?; 4/19/13, 5:42 AM
Lem Vibe Bandit said...: It appears that once they saw themselves as FBI persons of interest they decided to go fighting... or something.; 4/19/13, 5:42 AM
Lem Vibe Bandit said...: Earlier reports that they were students were incorrect?

possibly.; 4/19/13, 5:51 AM
Lem Vibe Bandit said...: AP: Surviving Boston bomb suspect identified as Dzhokhar A. Tsarnaev, 19, of Cambridge, Mass.; 4/19/13, 5:56 AM
edutcher said...: The news media's real product, supposedly, is credibility.

Kiss that one good-bye.; 4/19/13, 5:57 AM
Lem Vibe Bandit said...: There were reports that they had foreign military training... at age 19 and 20?

From Chechnya. Lived in Turkey. Lived here for over a year.

Brothers.; 4/19/13, 6:14 AM
Lem Vibe Bandit said...: Oh yea... btw...

You see these guys armed and dangerous right?

Obama is disappointed you still able to defend yourself should you have the misfortune of encountering guys like these.; 4/19/13, 6:21 AM
Clyde said...: Chechens? WTF?! Are they part of some Al Qaeda plot to infiltrate white-looking Muslims to commit terrorist acts?; 4/19/13, 6:24 AM
President-Mom-Jeans said...: I haven't heard the word muslim or islam once on the newscasts.; 4/19/13, 6:24 AM
virgil xenophon said...: Watching EVERY TV news outlet dance around the nationality of these two muzzies is a sight to behold. Been watching since 0400 this am and if EVER PC was on display, this is it!; 4/19/13, 6:27 AM
Michael said...: Who knew that KKK skinhead tea party tax protesters were homegrown in......

CHECHNYA!!; 4/19/13, 6:29 AM
President-Mom-Jeans said...: I'm disgusted by the coverage.

It's the Unreasonable Bitch PC bullshit. Because pointing out the terrorists religion is racist. Everything is racist. Racism is a much worse problem than mangled bodies and dead police.; 4/19/13, 6:30 AM
virgil xenophon said...: CNN JUST NOW admits they are muzzies!!!; 4/19/13, 6:40 AM
virgil xenophon said...: It had to be pulled out of them thru clenched teeth. But get THIS: Despite the fact they admit they're muzzies CNN STILL doesn't want to "speculate" as to "motive." LOL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!; 4/19/13, 6:43 AM
Paco Wové said...: Yeah, but they're white muslims.; 4/19/13, 6:48 AM
virgil xenophon said...: @Michael/

You mean not in RACIST Amerikkka itself? Oh noes, how could that beeee...; 4/19/13, 6:50 AM
virgil xenophon said...: The people over at DU must be committing suicide in droves over this news..; 4/19/13, 6:52 AM
James said...: I said "Muslims" in a thread on Monday afternoon and was immediately jumped on... well...; 4/19/13, 6:53 AM
Lem Vibe Bandit said...: Earlier reports wrong....

May have been in the country several years.

The dead brother is now 26.

As reported by an eyewitness, the younger brother, while in the process of getting away on another vehicle, ran over his older now dead brother... and is as of now still at large.; 4/19/13, 6:56 AM
ken in tx said...: Splenda is made from bacterially fermented sugars. The result is then purified, freeze dried, and powdered. Their first, and possibly only, plant is located near Mobile Al.; 4/19/13, 7:17 AM
ed said...: @ MadisonMan

Best way to make iced coffee is to simply get a coffee press (french press) and put in the appropriate amount of ground coffee & water and then put it into the refrigerator the night before.

The slow cold brewing process makes for an excellent cup. Something else that adds flavor is to use a coffee ice cream as your creamer.; 4/19/13, 7:32 AM
ed said...: So the leftwing media speculates openly about the possibiilty that the bombings were done by disaffected taxpayers, tea partiers, republicans, conservatives and white people. But can't bring themselves to admit that these are islamic terrorists like they usually are?

Yeah just another day in the life.; 4/19/13, 8:24 AM
deborah said...: Caffeine therapy boosts preemies' outcomes:

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2007/11/07/AR2007110702093.html; 4/19/13, 1:34 PM
Unknown said...: Caffeine is known as a legal drug which is suitable for all ages. It is not harmful until you start taking it in excess. Lots of people are benefited of drinking coffee.

Regards,
Finn Felton
Kopi Luwak; 4/23/13, 12:57 AM

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