Althouse: The Democratic National Committee puts up a site designed to trick you into thinking it's Romney's.

October 16, 2012

The Democratic National Committee puts up a site designed to trick you into thinking it's Romney's.

I'm surprised they think it's acceptable to engage in this kind of trickery... or that they want to be associated with deception.

I do understand humor, but I don't see why they think it's good for them to be fake and deceptive.

215 comments:

1 – 200 of 215 Newer› Newest»

Rose said...: They're creeps. Pure and simple. (The Democrats); 10/16/12, 2:34 PM
chickelit said...: "Not authorized by any candidate" but it must have been authorized by Debbie Wasserman-Schultz.; 10/16/12, 2:37 PM
Dear corrupt left, go F yourselves said...: with the media in their pocket, I think the democrat party is increasingly comfortable with overt displays of deception.; 10/16/12, 2:37 PM
Seeing Red said...: It's worked for decades, why stop now?; 10/16/12, 2:37 PM
Andy said...: No one is dumb enough not to get that joke.; 10/16/12, 2:42 PM
Sydney said...: They are not honest people.; 10/16/12, 2:43 PM
MadisonMan said...: Designed to trick you if you're too dim to read the box at the bottom that says it's paid for by Democrats.; 10/16/12, 2:45 PM
chickelit said...: Andy R. said...
No one is dumb enough not to get that joke.

Let's remove the double negative to clarify Andy's phrase:

"One is dumb enough to get that joke."

Yes, it's a dumbed down joke...just for you.; 10/16/12, 2:46 PM
Anonymous said...: One would have to a complete moron to be "tricked" by the site. But you never can underestimate the intelligence of Althouse and many of her commenters.; 10/16/12, 2:47 PM
Nonapod said...: It's astonishing to me that the main theme of the Obama campaign in recent months has been to call Romney a liar. I mean, really?

This is coming from the guy that broke a promise to cut deficit in half by the end of his first term. This is coming from the guy
who broke promise to broadcast the health care negotiations on C-SPAN. This is coming from a guy who broke promise to reduce earmarks to 1994 levels. The guy who broke promise to allow five days of public comment before signing bills... repeatedly. This is the guy who is still saying that he wasn't aware of the situation on the ground and the embassy on September 11. This is the guy that insists that nobody high up in his administration was at fault over the whole Fast and Furious debacle. This is the guy who broke a promise he made to close Guantánamo Bay.

I could go on...; 10/16/12, 2:48 PM
kjbe said...: Designed to trick you if you're too dim to read the box at the bottom that says it's paid for by Democrats.

Yes, thank you.; 10/16/12, 2:49 PM
Tim said...: "I do understand humor, but I don't see why they think it's good for them to be fake and deceptive."

It's all they have.

They can't run on Obama's record.

They can't run on Obama's promises for the future.

They can only snark about Romney.

The empty suit plays the joker.; 10/16/12, 2:49 PM
Seeing Red said...: Yet you deign to bless us with your presence, Feder.; 10/16/12, 2:49 PM
TMink said...: Yeah, they should just run on their record and trust the American people to react accordingly.

Oh.

Never mind.

I understand completely.

Trey; 10/16/12, 2:53 PM
Ann Althouse said...: "Designed to trick you if you're too dim to read the box at the bottom that says it's paid for by Democrats."

It takes a long time to see that, meanwhile you are caught in the deception and that time gap is quite intended. That's the humor: that you are tricked.; 10/16/12, 2:54 PM
Brent said...: Yet another example of Democrats selling their character and souls to the highest bidder.; 10/16/12, 2:54 PM
Curious George said...: Yeah, it's pretty obvious so I'm not put off by the "deception", but it just shows how unserious a candidate Obama is. Last week's "Big Bird" ad...I mean tat's all you got? Pathetic.

Now this.

It'll play with the base, but so what.; 10/16/12, 2:55 PM
K in Texas said...: Ah, but the same people that believe Congress wants to ban tampons will certainly believe anything else like this.; 10/16/12, 2:58 PM
Lem Vibe Bandit said...: Hey its that Andy R?

Where you been?

It was like Andy was taken hostage by al Qaeda... wait al Qaeda is not on the run?

Oooops.; 10/16/12, 2:58 PM
clint said...: Wow.

Usually, you expect things like that to be done at arms length -- this one says prominently that it's paid for by the DNC.

Wow.

The reason they think (correctly) that they can get away with this is that no one will call them on it. The Romney campaign has no interest in getting sidetracked by tomfoolery and small ball -- and, frankly, this isn't an issue he wants to keep talking about. (He's right, but it's a 5 minute answer to a five second taunt -- and in today's politics that makes it a losing argument.)

Did anyone else see the Ross Perot endorsement?; 10/16/12, 2:59 PM
pauldar said...: Oddly enough, I didn't see any of this on the site. I did speed read it so dang good chance I missed it.

—47 Million on Food Stamps
—5.5 Million Homes in Crisis/Foreclosure
—$4500 Drop in Household Income
—$5.5 Trillion of New Debt
—$716 Billion in Medicare Cuts
—$2.6 Trillion for Obamacare
—$1.9 Trillion in New Taxes in Obama’s Budget
—100% Increase in Gas Price; 10/16/12, 3:01 PM
Anonymous said...: It takes a long time to see that, meanwhile you are caught in the deception and that time gap is quite intended. That's the humor: that you are tricked.

Exactly how long did you chase the "get the details" button before you realized something was amiss.

I can see it now: "Meade, honey, come here. My computer is broken! This damn button keeps moving and I really want to know how Romney is going to lower taxes without exploding the deficit!"; 10/16/12, 3:02 PM
Levi Starks said...: Seriously I wouldn't vote for Obama in a hundred years, but it's funny, I like it. shows good imagination.
And it opens the door to Republicans doing the same thing.
Of course if they do it'll be racist.; 10/16/12, 3:02 PM
Lem Vibe Bandit said...: It takes a long time to see that, meanwhile you are caught in the deception and that time gap is quite intended...

If republicans did something similar... that would be the clamorous response.

But, like Joes appalling debate behaviour, this is mostly overlooked.; 10/16/12, 3:03 PM
Lem Vibe Bandit said...: What Levi just said.; 10/16/12, 3:04 PM
victor said...: Ha! So clever. They used JavaScript to make the box move around so you can't click it. Actually, that wasn't funny back in 1998 and it's just pathetically lame now.; 10/16/12, 3:05 PM
damikesc said...: One would have to a complete moron to be "tricked" by the site.

...but tell somebody that an election is on a different day than is being reported on every media source possible and it is racism.

Both are fine by me. But I'm consistent like that.; 10/16/12, 3:05 PM
Matt said...: What I keep wondering during the "Where are the details?" attacks against Romney are where are the details in Obama's plan? Does anyone know? Other than stick it to the rich and get out of Afghanistan in 2014?

The latter of which is a lie:

http://thecable.foreignpolicy.com/posts/2012/10/16/state_department_official_negotiations_to_extend_us_troop_presence_in_afghanistan_s; 10/16/12, 3:07 PM
garage mahal said...: It takes a long time to see that, meanwhile you are caught in the deception and that time gap is quite intended.

At least the site allows you to find the deception. More than you can say about Romney.; 10/16/12, 3:07 PM
sakredkow said...: Righties are developing their own PC laws and guidelines, and are they turning out to be petty.

I can understand rolling your eyes, or wanting to argue about the tax plan. But to pretend to be all offended and shocked by this.

Faux prissy.; 10/16/12, 3:07 PM
Paddy O said...: "Designed to trick you if you're too dim to read the box at the bottom that says it's paid for by Democrats."

Well, people were dim enough to vote for Democrats, whose plan is paid for by China.; 10/16/12, 3:08 PM
john said...: I always get a kick out of trying to catch those moving buttons. The only way to win is to take a screen shot, then you can repeatedly hit on it. (Spoiler alert - there's nothing behind the button.); 10/16/12, 3:09 PM
bagoh20 said...: I love it. Mostly, it just shows desperation and a lack of class. The DNC has even given up on defending Obama. This is what they do instead. Hell, they should just endorse Romney. That would hurt Obama less than what they are up to.; 10/16/12, 3:10 PM
Seeing Red said...: Some fell for the video explanation, others didn't, via Insty:

RICE THROWS INTEL UNDER THE BUS: UN Ambassador Susan Rice is now backwalking her inane insistence that the Libyan/Egyptian and other attacks on 9/11 were spontaneous outbursts of anger about a stupid YouTube video. Apparently, the official line is now that “Intel made me do it”:

In an interview Monday with The Washington Post, Rice said she relied on daily updates from intelligence agencies in the days before her television appearances and on a set of talking points prepared for senior members of the administration by intelligence officials. She said there was no attempt to pick and choose among possible explanations for the attack.

“Absolutely not,” Rice said. “It was purely a function of what was provided to us” and had been given to Congress the day before.

Oh, what a tangled web we weave . . . .

Maybe if Obama didn't go back to bed and listened live & watched the drone feed?

Nah, there was money to raise.; 10/16/12, 3:11 PM
Mitch H. said...: Actually, my first thought on seeing that layout was "trojan malware bait". Of course, it's been a half-decade or more since the actual blackhats have needed to trick you into clicking a link to corrupt or hijack your machine, but that's definitely what this site makes me think:

Blackhat hackers trying to trick me into doing something I really, really don't want to do, something contrary to my own self-interest and self-respect.

Since people like Freder and Andy R's whole political life is about surrendering to the will of the party, I suppose the affect strikes them as charming, familiar: a minor technique of political seduction. They like it when a clever man with a strong pimp hand tells them it's for their own good.; 10/16/12, 3:11 PM
Lem Vibe Bandit said...: Its an ugly Animotion mask.; 10/16/12, 3:11 PM
chickelit said...: It's funny the sense that impersonation is funny, but usually people are expecting impersonation. This is just deception.

What's not funny is that deception is a core issue for both parties, and so this deliberate example seems new.

There must a be pithy phrase or description from the handbook of political tricks about deliberately doing what your opponents accuse you of doing--like mobying, for example.; 10/16/12, 3:11 PM
DADvocate said...: No one is dumb enough not to get that joke.

Huh? It has to be funny to be a joke.

The real joke is, if you click on the page, a link comes up at the bottom of the page (Mitt Romney has ducked and side-stepped every attempt to get the details of his plan, which sticks the middle class with the bill for $5 trillion in tax cuts favoring millionaires and billionaires. Get the facts on his plan.) that takes you to the OBAMA TRUTH TEAM page!!!!

Truly Orwellian.; 10/16/12, 3:12 PM
Lem Vibe Bandit said...: (Spoiler alert - there's nothing behind the button.)

It aimed at bitter clingers.; 10/16/12, 3:13 PM
Bob Ellison said...: phx, I don't understand your take. Righties seem mostly to be saying that deliberate deception is out-of-bounds. In other words, lying is bad.

You say that's prissy. Do I have it right?; 10/16/12, 3:13 PM
Libertarian Advocate said...: All the hallmarks of an Axelrod political marketing campaign. Nobody greasier in politics today than David.; 10/16/12, 3:13 PM
Seeing Red said...: The $5 trillion was already busted and they're still trying to sell that lie?

LOLOLOL; 10/16/12, 3:14 PM
DADvocate said...: In a hundred years he'll probably be dead.; 10/16/12, 3:14 PM
Hagar said...: Well, Garage,

maybe you should consider the possibility that the reason Romney's grand deception is so hard for you to find, is that there isn't any?; 10/16/12, 3:18 PM
Lem Vibe Bandit said...: At least the site allows you to find the deception...
More than you can say about Fast & Furious.

Fixed it for you.; 10/16/12, 3:19 PM
sakredkow said...: Bob I agree deliberate deception would be bad - I'd be up in arms too. But this is so clearly not a deliberate deception. It's a joke on Romney for supposedly being evasive about his tax plan. It's a gimmick, not an attempt to deceive.

Like I said you might hate it because it's the Dems, it's not a fair characterization of plan, etc., but to pretend anyone's really deceived here strikes me as ridiculous.

Unless I'm missing something it's a joke with a political point. I'm not faulting you for not liking that because it's against your guy.

But tell me, worst-case scenario, who gets deceived and what do they lose?; 10/16/12, 3:20 PM
Bob Ellison said...: BTW, why is it "lie", when elsewhere it's "sky" and "fry"? It's "tie", though. I blame Noah Webster.; 10/16/12, 3:20 PM
carrie said...: One thing that has been missing from this election cycle is political email jokes. In 2008, my email box was always full of Obama or McCain jokes. It has been several days since someone has emailed an Obama or Romney joke to me. I have received lots of serious emails about the Seals who lost their life in Libya, etc., but no jokes. The Democrats should be careful because I don't think that ordinary people find much humor in this election.; 10/16/12, 3:21 PM
Michael K said...: Garage, I'm disappointed in you. Here you pretend to be reasonable and, just because your guy is heading into a blowout election, you get all pissy.; 10/16/12, 3:23 PM
Bob Ellison said...: phx:

But this is so clearly not a deliberate deception. It's a joke on Romney for supposedly being evasive about his tax plan. It's a gimmick, not an attempt to deceive.

No? I think you overestimate the Internet sophistication among voters out there. Also, you underestimate the sophistication of the Obama supporters who practice to deceive.

But tell me, worst-case scenario, who gets deceived and what do they lose?

Normal voters, especially the flimsy "undecideds", are deceived by such things. Don'tcha think? There's all this talk about how the vote really comes down to the undecided 8% or so in the middle. Who are these people? How are they undecided? They might be somewhat naive, and probably not Internet-savvy.

What they lose is truthful information that helps them to vote wisely.; 10/16/12, 3:25 PM
pauldar said...: Well, I have the Democrat's fiscal plan in 5 easy steps.

1)Borrow Money from China

2)Buy Items like cell phones to give out, from China with Money borrowed from China

3)China now has back the money we borrowed in sales of their crap to American consumers.

4)We still owe the original money borrowed. By "we" I mean every man woman and child.

5)Repeat; 10/16/12, 3:25 PM
Aridog said...: What does anyone expect from an administration that has its Secretary of Defense at the time (Gates) and two of the highest ranking generals in the US military (Petraeus and Dempsey) call up a no account grifter preacher man in order to spur continuity of administration propaganda?

Really. No matter how crazy loud mouthed you might be, how many of all y'all expect to be called by Generals Petraeus or Dempsey, let alone both of them....both asking you to STFU?

A lot of us here? Really? Oh, wait, Susan Rice just whispered that in my ear. Sorry.; 10/16/12, 3:25 PM
Orinoco said...: Don't get stodgy, folks. Its the same childish sense of humor that thought it was hilarious to take all the 'W's off of the White House keyboards before Bush's inauguration. He who laughs last....; 10/16/12, 3:30 PM
rehajm said...: Romey's tax plan is endorsed by 670 economists, including six Nobel laureates, and counting. So the best the DNC can offer is to repeat the $5 trillion deficit lie over and over until it becomes true. In creative ways, apparently.; 10/16/12, 3:32 PM
Chip S. said...: The GOP needs to find someone who can hack that site and insert a link to this.; 10/16/12, 3:33 PM
Bob Ellison said...: I was wondering whether the two consonants were the rule for "y" v. "ie". But how do you spell "hy" (as in "hello")?

Also, "my".

Then, there's "bye". But there's a good, long reason for that one.; 10/16/12, 3:33 PM
furious_a said...: They need a JavaScript button for that budget that the Democrat-controlled Senate hasn't passed in almost 1,300 days.; 10/16/12, 3:35 PM
garage mahal said...: maybe you should consider the possibility that the reason Romney's grand deception is so hard for you to find, is that there isn't any?

The deception is that the middle class and the working poor are going to end up paying for tax cuts to their rich friends. If Romney could detail exactly how that wasn't the case he would have done so. But, the flim flam seems to be working so I wouldn't expect Romney to suddenly come clean.

Why even one middle class voter would give one second of consideration to these con artists is pretty remarkable. You know you're going to get fucked.; 10/16/12, 3:36 PM
chickelit said...: On second thought, the ad strikes me as funny in the same way as those The New Yorker cartoons do--except that there was no deception on the part of Barry Blitt. :)

Also, Mr. Blitt wasn't working for DWS (or was he?); 10/16/12, 3:37 PM
Pettifogger said...: So for those who defend it, this is the new standard? You'll be cool when a Republican does something similar to Obama--or would that be racist?; 10/16/12, 3:38 PM
Ned said...: "I do understand humor, but I don't see why they think it's good for them to be fake and deceptive."

You consistently ask questions about this type of behavior as if it's the FIRST time you've noticed...they've(liberals) been doing it for about 2 decades now...
Why you ask...because they are NEVER called on it and plus, the base could care less...do you?; 10/16/12, 3:40 PM
Rusty said...: garage mahal said...
maybe you should consider the possibility that the reason Romney's grand deception is so hard for you to find, is that there isn't any?

The deception is that the middle class and the working poor are going to end up paying for tax cuts to their rich friends. If Romney could detail exactly how that wasn't the case he would have done so. But, the flim flam seems to be working so I wouldn't expect Romney to suddenly come clean.

Why even one middle class voter would give one second of consideration to these con artists is pretty remarkable. You know you're going to get fucked.

The joke is you actually believe the above.
I just hope you have a civil service job.; 10/16/12, 3:44 PM
furious_a said...: Who We Are
The Tax Policy Center is a joint venture of the Urban Institute and Brookings Institution. The Center is made up of nationally recognized experts in tax, budget, and social policy who have served at the highest levels of government.

Speaking of "funny", references to the Tax Policy Center as "non-partisan" are chuckle-worthy, too.; 10/16/12, 3:47 PM
Chip S. said...: Thanks to garage mahal's tax analysis, I now understand the logic of Obamanomics: Nothing else lowers the tax burden on the middle class nearly as effectively as long-term unemployment does.; 10/16/12, 3:48 PM
Unknown said...: See, I didn't tried to click on the button at first. Then.. heh. Mildly clever; but I'm still not voting for the O. The DNC spent money on political masturbation.; 10/16/12, 3:49 PM
granmary said...: But of course you choose to link to it, knowing some of your readers will watch it. Just your subtle way of trying to help your preferred candidate, the messiah of the clueless or 'undecided' voter.; 10/16/12, 3:50 PM
Nathan Alexander said...: . If Romney could detail exactly how that wasn't the case he would have done so.

It isn't the case, and I understand it. It makes perfect sense.

Why are you and Obama so stupid and/or ignorant that you don't understand the basic economics of the incentive for people to work harder when they get to keep more of what they earn?

Why are you and Obama so stupid and/or ignorant that you don't understand clear history: both JFK and Reagan cut tax rates while eliminating loopholes, and revenue not only didn't drop, it increased.

Yet you repeat lies that are easily debunked.

Is that really all you have?; 10/16/12, 3:50 PM
Nathan Alexander said...: But this website is kinda "meh" to me.

When compared to all the other lies that Democrats spread (like pretty much everything they've said about contraception vis a vis insurance), this is extremely minor.; 10/16/12, 3:51 PM
DADvocate said...: Under Obama's brilliant plan the middle class and working poor won't end up paying for tax cuts to their rich friends because they'll be unemployed and on food stamps and welfare payments. No taxes there.

Yay!!! No taxes!!! No income either. Is that a feature or a bug?; 10/16/12, 3:53 PM
Anonymous said...: It's a joke, relax. Pretty clearly they aren't trying to deceive.; 10/16/12, 3:53 PM
Chip S. said...: Tax revenue doesn't have to increase for Romney's plan to work. All that's necessary is for the economy to grow faster than revenue falls, and the debt-to-gdp ratio will fall.

According to independent analysis, the growth that can be expected from the Romney plan is quite substantial.

Do you suppose that has anything to do with the fact that 670 economists have endorsed Romney, while there's barely a semblance of an "Economists for Obama" site?; 10/16/12, 3:55 PM
GrapeApe said...: Miss Ann-

Surely at this point you are not unaware of the tactics of the left. Did you not post about someone re: "Put the white back in the White House." Same thing here.; 10/16/12, 3:56 PM
chickelit said...: Romney says in his first debate: "I don't want to lower taxes for the ricest";

Ryan says in his debate: "We are going to revise Medicare such that the wealthiest won't get it (or as much)";

Yet Garage Mahone only hears "tax cuts only for Scrooge McDuck and his cronies!"; 10/16/12, 3:58 PM
chickelit said...: Was "ricest" racist?; 10/16/12, 3:59 PM
garage mahal said...: Romney says in his first debate: "I don't want to lower taxes for the ricest";

he's lying dum dum. That is literally the only thing that motivates Republicans in power.; 10/16/12, 4:00 PM
chickelit said...: Hillbilly Geek notes: The DNC spent money on political masturbation.

Why else do you think they're so "hard-up"?; 10/16/12, 4:02 PM
chickelit said...: garage mahone wrote: he's lying dum dum.

But what if instead you're lying? And the DNC too? This is what the election is about in part.; 10/16/12, 4:04 PM
edutcher said...: If it works, it's acceptable. This is how the demos have been doing business for 80 years.; 10/16/12, 4:17 PM
techsan said...: This campaign keeps looking like it's employing a bunch of drunk college liberals huddled in a dorm room thinking "Hey...I got an idea..." without an adult present to stop their childishness.; 10/16/12, 4:18 PM
Anonymous said...: HONEY BOO BOO endorses Obama, I wonder if she's clinging to her eyeliner and RedBull.; 10/16/12, 4:21 PM
breda said...: I don't see why they think it's good for them to be fake and deceptive

Well, you fell for it in 2008, didn't you, Ann?; 10/16/12, 4:22 PM
Chip S. said...: he's lying dum dum.

Well then, he's certainly got my vote. Any guy who's clever enough to snooker 670 economists is gonna be a foreign-policy master.; 10/16/12, 4:27 PM
Seeing Red said...: Some of us are blase about this because it's SOP for democrats.; 10/16/12, 4:29 PM
Q said...: No one is dumb enough not to get that joke.

I got the joke. Of course I'm familiar with the federal budget and with the candidates stances on taxes, so I smiled when I saw the comical claim that Romney wants to "cut taxes by $5 trillion".

Wait, was that "comical" or just "dishonest"? People on the left have an odd sense of humor.; 10/16/12, 4:31 PM
garage mahal said...: Any guy who's clever enough to snooker 670 economists is gonna be a foreign-policy master.

Is this anything like the "six independent studies" romney and Ryan were hailing that turned out be blog posts and op-eds?; 10/16/12, 4:33 PM
Icepick said...: I do understand humor, but I don't see why they think it's good for them to be fake and deceptive.

It's all they've got left.; 10/16/12, 4:33 PM
sakredkow said...: "Designed to trick you!"

Like Republicans shouldn't be surfing the Internet without an adult to hold their hand.; 10/16/12, 4:34 PM
sakredkow said...: They might be exposed to a pro-Obama site!; 10/16/12, 4:34 PM
Q said...: I'm reminded of that other "joke" about "Republicans partying while black people die".

Memo to the left: Being obnoxious and dishonest is not amusing.; 10/16/12, 4:36 PM
Anonymous said...: File under clever, but wrong.; 10/16/12, 4:36 PM
Q said...: I do understand humor

And that web site isn't it.; 10/16/12, 4:37 PM
chickelit said...: phx said...
They might be exposed to a pro-Obama site!

Sounds virally contagious!; 10/16/12, 4:38 PM
sakredkow said...: Well I know you wouldn't be fooled chickelit ;); 10/16/12, 4:39 PM
chickelit said...: That's a nice smile, breda!; 10/16/12, 4:39 PM
Dear corrupt left, go F yourselves said...: The democrat tax plan is to bend you over and **** you up the ***.

So, a joke website for that would be to kick you into a pro-D porn site.; 10/16/12, 4:39 PM
MarkD said...: an "Economists for Obama" site? It would be easier to find the Higgs-Boson particle with string and a magnifying glass.

We're talking about a guy who couldn't get a single vote from his own party for his budget proposal.

Funny.; 10/16/12, 4:40 PM
sakredkow said...: an "Economists for Obama" site? It would be easier to find the Higgs-Boson particle with string and a magnifying glass.

econ4obama.blogspot.com/; 10/16/12, 4:43 PM
Chip S. said...: Is this anything like the "six independent studies" romney and Ryan were hailing that turned out be blog posts and op-eds?

Why, no, actually. It's more like the dynamic computable general equilibrium analysis I referred to upthread.

But I'm sure
this site will impress you more. It's not a parody, btw, despite appearances.; 10/16/12, 4:43 PM
Chip S. said...: phx, did you read what you linked to? Relive the glory of the 2008 campaign!; 10/16/12, 4:44 PM
sakredkow said...: Yeah, I didn't ChipS! I was too pleased to find it on the top of the links.; 10/16/12, 4:45 PM
sakredkow said...: After I posted it I was more afraid it was an anti- Obama site though. So I figure I got off ok.; 10/16/12, 4:45 PM
Brian Brown said...: garage mahal said...
he's lying dum dum.

Right. And you can totally prove it too!

You silly, fat, piece of shit.; 10/16/12, 4:46 PM
sakredkow said...: It actually would have been beautiful if it had been an anti-Obama site. So perfectly in keeping with the thread.

I would have enjoyed that as much as anyone.; 10/16/12, 4:47 PM
Beach Brutus said...: Maybe I have a thicker skin, but I think it's pretty clever, and I am from as far deep right field as you can get. Then again, I was an original member of the Donald Segretti fame club.; 10/16/12, 4:48 PM
sakredkow said...: Well, it's all fun and games until Jay comes in.; 10/16/12, 4:48 PM
Anonymous said...: "Fat", coming from Jay the 400 pounder.; 10/16/12, 4:48 PM
exhelodrvr1 said...: YOu shouldn't be surprised, Ann. Look at the tricks Obama pulled in his earlier elections (i.e. divorce records) - something else that didn't bother you when you voted for him in 2008.; 10/16/12, 4:48 PM
Q said...: Mitt Romney has ducked and side-stepped every attempt to get the details of his plan

I think that's a fair assessment. Or it would be if not for the fact that nobody knows what Obama's "tax plan" is either. It seems to be "Let's just keep borrowing a trillion dollars per year in perpetuity so we can avoid having to make any hard decisions about taxes".; 10/16/12, 4:53 PM
Ron Moses said...: Oh come on, it's a little funny. We're the side who's supposed to be able to take a joke, aren't we?; 10/16/12, 4:57 PM
bagoh20 said...: "The deception is that the middle class and the working poor are going to end up paying for tax cuts to their rich friends."

Do you really believe the rich pay taxes with no effect on anyone else?

As a "rich" employer, I can tell you that every penny I pay in taxes comes right out of the pay and benefits of my current and future employees and those of other companies I would do business with. Every penny the government takes from me is eventually taken away from productive hard-working people. If you think the government or the people they pay off deserve that money more, then you are simply an immoral person with no real concern for the the poor, the middle class, and especially the workers of this country.; 10/16/12, 4:59 PM
Matt said...: My back-of-the-envelope math shows that ending the tax cuts for the rich and getting out of Afghanistan wouldn't even cover 15% of the annual deficit. (Assuming ending the tax cuts do not negatively impact economic activities.)

So, Obama supporters, where does the remaining 85+% come from? Put up or shut up about Romney's lack of "details".; 10/16/12, 5:01 PM
sakredkow said...: Thank you Ron Moses. You know I don't mind that Repubs are pissed by it, but to make the claim that it shows "deception" is just a kind of hollow sanctimony.

Up your game. Don't show me your pretend hurt feelings.

This is a case where the craziest wingers are actually showing up the so-called "moderates". At least the crazies are honest.; 10/16/12, 5:02 PM
garage mahal said...: Right. And you can totally prove it too!

I can tell you that you are the absolute last person I would feel the need to prove something to.

Now go barf in someone else's face, you mindless, inelegant, sloped forehead subhuman mutant.; 10/16/12, 5:02 PM
Q said...: You know I don't mind that Repubs are pissed by it, but to make the claim that it shows "deception" is just a kind of hollow sanctimony

It is deceptive for Democrats to simultaneously claim that nobody knows what Romney's tax plan is, and also that they know exactly what it is and that it costs $5 trillion. One of those things is not true. As it happens, it's the second proposition.; 10/16/12, 5:06 PM
Dear corrupt left, go F yourselves said...: Bagoh @ 4:59

"As a "rich" employer, I can tell you that every penny I pay in taxes comes right out of the pay and benefits of my current and future employees and those of other companies I would do business with. Every penny the government takes from me is eventually taken away from productive hard-working people. If you think the government or the people they pay off deserve that money more, then you are simply an immoral person with no real concern for the the poor, the middle class, and especially the workers of this country."

I swear, liberals do not understand this, and they never will. Sad.; 10/16/12, 5:13 PM
sakredkow said...: @Q yeah, that falls under "getting pissed by it."

Althouse and other's claims that people are "deceived" by the site are mock-worthy.; 10/16/12, 5:13 PM
Anonymous said...: Speaking of deception, what about Ryan at the soup kitchen, I hear they had to save some dirty dishes for him to pose with, now that's humorous.; 10/16/12, 5:25 PM
Chip S. said...: That was actually a DNC video, with a cgi Ryan.; 10/16/12, 5:29 PM
clint said...: phx said...

" Bob I agree deliberate deception would be bad - I'd be up in arms too. But this is so clearly not a deliberate deception. It's a joke on Romney for supposedly being evasive about his tax plan. It's a gimmick, not an attempt to deceive.

10/16/12 3:20 PM"

Aaaaaaagh!

It must be a sign of the Apocalypse. I actually agree with something phx wrote!

It's a lame gimmick, and using the RRomney logo at the top is a tad sleazy. But this really is just a lame stunt -- not an attempt to fool people into thinking the Romney campaign said or sponsored something.

Compare this to the guy with the t-shirt.; 10/16/12, 5:30 PM
Cosmic Conservative said...: "I do understand humor, but I don't see why they think it's good for them to be fake and deceptive."

Ann, please.

"Fake and deceptive" is the most accurate description of this administration that you could possibly write. From day one. "Fake and deceptive" DEFINES this group.; 10/16/12, 5:32 PM
Matt said...: Garage, Inga,

Care to answer my question from 5:01p?; 10/16/12, 5:33 PM
clint said...: garage: "The deception is that the middle class and the working poor are going to end up paying for tax cuts to their rich friends. If Romney could detail exactly how that wasn't the case he would have done so."

Romney hasn't proposed any tax cuts. (He has proposed offsetting cuts in rates and deductions.)

How would he go about detailing exactly how he didn't propose something?

(Is it even theoretically possible to describe the manner in which one *doesn't* do something?)

What would that look like -- and how would it differ from the response he gave in the first debate?; 10/16/12, 5:36 PM
Brian Brown said...: garage mahal said...
I can tell you that you are the absolute last person I would feel the need to prove something to.

Don't worry simpleton, everyone reading knows you can't prove any of your assertions.

Especially given that there is no evidence anywhere, at all, Romney is going to "cut taxes for the rich"

But of course you'll believe anything the Democrats say because you're like so informed and stuff.; 10/16/12, 5:39 PM
Chip Ahoy said...: That was very funny. Very funny indeed. Good one. Got me.

Because I tried to click. I actually did care. And there' s nothing there.

Ha ha ha ha ha

It's a joke about the bullshit theme they're creating about not having the details they reject as they leave Ryan's mouth. A joke about the details that come pre rejected.

And the hilarious part is the natural rejoinder to it that goes like this: Here's all the details you ever needed, you ever asked for, you ever gave:

HOPE AND CHANGE Bitches, there's your details.; 10/16/12, 5:40 PM
Mark said...: The Obama campaign is in meltdown mode. Earlier today a spokeswoman said:

“President Obama takes responsibility for the safety and security of all diplomats serving overseas,” said Obama campaign spokeswoman Jen Psaki during a Fox News interview Tuesday. “Secretary Clinton of course has a great amount of responsibility as Secretary of State.”

Parsed, it comes out "I take responsibility (because I've been shamed into it, and I really NEED a gender gap), but it's her fault."

Note that once more Obama is having someone else do the talking for him. I wonder if he will be able to make himself concede that he might have had a role in setting the policy that led to Benghazi.

This comes to mind.; 10/16/12, 5:40 PM
Dr Weevil said...: Poor garage mahal, so close and yet so far away. He's absolutely right "that the middle class and the working poor are going to end up paying" more in taxes. But they won't be complaining, because their take-home pay is going to be going up faster than their taxes.

Those who have no jobs are going to get jobs when taxes are cut and the economy starts booming, and will be damned glad to start paying income taxes once they have income, particularly at the new lower rates. And those who already have jobs will be paying more total taxes even at the new lower rates, because they'll be getting substantial pay raises, many of them for the first time in years. Under Romney, people won't have to move to North Dakota to get a job.; 10/16/12, 5:46 PM
Dante said...: I think it plays well to the Democrat base.

A) Anything goes to win
B) Dumb conservatives won't get it, whereas us smart libs will; 10/16/12, 5:47 PM
furious_a said...: Chip S: Thanks to garage mahal's tax analysis...

...I now know that reducing marginal tax rates *never* (*cough*1981-1989*cough*) leads to economic growth and increased tax receipts.; 10/16/12, 5:49 PM
sakredkow said...: It must be a sign of the Apocalypse. I actually agree with something phx wrote!

It's not that bad, you'll see. You and I will virtually be holding hands by December 12. Waving goodbye to all the Libtards and Rethuglicans.; 10/16/12, 5:52 PM
furious_a said...: Is it just me or is there more of an edge to Chip Ahoy's normally lighthearted musings?; 10/16/12, 5:53 PM
kimsch said...: bagoh2o: Add to that the 40¢ on every dollar it costs small businesses to comply with regulations. And that the small business is taxed on the dollar and not the 60¢ post regulations...; 10/16/12, 5:54 PM
sakredkow said...: @furious_a I know it's like Mommy and Daddy fighting, right? It's discomfiting me!; 10/16/12, 5:56 PM
Unknown said...: That is some really good coding. Even on my crappy machine, the animation is highly flexible and naturalistic.

Also, hilarious and true. But is it smart?

Of course not. These people are running against the least effective GOP candidate in history, whose only campaign tool is harping on the fact that he's not Obama, and these super-smart establishment leftists are losing to him. This is just like the Benghazi Bullshit of Hilary falling on her sword.

Since when is the President not responsible for the actions of his Cabinet officers? Isn't that the point- they are his deputies.; 10/16/12, 5:59 PM
garage mahal said...: Poor garage mahal, so close and yet so far away. He's absolutely right "that the middle class and the working poor are going to end up paying" more in taxes. But they won't be complaining, because their take-home pay is going to be going up faster than their taxes.

Thanks for making me do a spit take a perfectly good Ranger IPA.

The federal government has step in and subidize the wage crushing bullshit Republicans relentlessly advocate for.

Ask the workers in Freeport as they train their Chinese replacements what they think of the msgic of "free markets"

If you are a average worker worried about your job and future you have to have a giant hole in your head to vote Republican these days.; 10/16/12, 6:00 PM
bleh said...: I remember when the received wisdom was that Romney made a colossal blunder in choosing Paul Ryan and his detailed plan to get entitlement spending under control. The devil was in the details, and Romney had to defend the details.

Now everything the left says about Romney is that his proposals lack details. Aside from the richness of the irony -- Obama has built his entire career on pure promise, mindless hope, etc., and has not provided his own detailed plan in 4 years -- there is something about the critique that assumes a bizarro world set of facts.; 10/16/12, 6:01 PM
Chip S. said...: it's like Mommy and Daddy fighting, right?

I'd say it's more like the always-nice teacher getting really mad about something somebody did. Everybody knows that it must've been something really wrong.

In this case, it seems that 3.75 years of incompetence and lying have finally done it.; 10/16/12, 6:03 PM
Anonymous said...: Does this mean Chip Ahoy won't bake us any chocolate chip cookies for tonight's debate?; 10/16/12, 6:05 PM
Alex said...: If you are a average worker worried about your job and future you have to have a giant hole in your head to vote Republican these days.

Explain me how Democratic policies will create 10 million new jobs in 8 years.; 10/16/12, 6:05 PM
sakredkow said...: Another excellent and pointed right-wing talking point, ChipS. What is that, 148 in a row now?; 10/16/12, 6:05 PM
sakredkow said...: No cookies for you or me or garage, Inga!; 10/16/12, 6:06 PM
Balfegor said...: RE: Frederson:

One would have to a complete moron to be "tricked" by the site.

I dunno -- pretty sure that if Samsung had set up a website using the Apple logo and everything they'd be liable for even more for infringing Apple trademarks even if they included a tiny little disclaimer at the bottom saying they were Samsung and not Apple. Our laws routinely assume that people are stupid enough to be tricked by this kind of thing. Because what do you know? They are!; 10/16/12, 6:08 PM
chickelit said...: Under Romney, the 47% will shrink dramatically and the number 47 will revert to referring to the number of miles of barbed wire walked by the singer of Bo Diddley's 'Who Do You Love'.; 10/16/12, 6:08 PM
sakredkow said...: @Balfegor and what are the consequences if someone is deceived here? Are they going to make a donation to Obama thinking it's Romney?; 10/16/12, 6:09 PM
Chip S. said...: garage is right. Nobody should ever have to leave his current job to look for another one.

What on earth would all those blacksmiths have done if the Harding administration hadn't subsidized horse-drawn carriages?; 10/16/12, 6:10 PM
Methadras said...: Leftards are the shadiest people on earth. Every single one of them. This is just another peg on how much lower they can go into the toilet.; 10/16/12, 6:11 PM
chickelit said...: Under Obama, the 47% will continue to grow and the number 47 will come to be identified with the AK-47 and the CH-47, a military helicopter.; 10/16/12, 6:11 PM
Methadras said...: Andy R. said...

No one is dumb enough not to get that joke.

Do you think that's funny, poofta? Just curious.; 10/16/12, 6:11 PM
garage mahal said...: Love how conservatives think their ideas are so popular and really just common sense stuff, as they watch Romney sprint away from severe conservatism, to the middle, and talk about preserving Democratic ideas.

Whhhheeeeeeeeeee!!!!!; 10/16/12, 6:15 PM
chickelit said...: Whatever the 47% is or isn't, Obama wants to grow it and Romney wants to shrink it.; 10/16/12, 6:15 PM
sakredkow said...: STFU chickelit. You had me at "Bo Diddly"; 10/16/12, 6:16 PM
Chip S. said...: Another withering retort, phx.

Stick with civility bullshit. It's what you do well.; 10/16/12, 6:18 PM
chickelit said...: garage mahal said...
Love how conservatives think their ideas are so popular and really just common sense stuff, as they watch Romney sprint away from severe conservatism, to the middle, and talk about preserving Democratic ideas.

Meanwhile garage's hero gets tighter with his hard left core and takes on Nixonian aura; Talk about toxic-at-the-polls complementarity.; 10/16/12, 6:18 PM
sakredkow said...: Just sayin'; 10/16/12, 6:19 PM
KCFleming said...: The DNC just used the prototype for the new Obamacare website:
Click Here to make a medical appointment.; 10/16/12, 6:21 PM
sakredkow said...: Oh, if chickelit didn't read my retort as the total man-hug it was I'll eat my hat.

Shit I practically been stalking that little right-wing dude for attention since we stopped bullshitting each other.; 10/16/12, 6:24 PM
Chip S. said...: phx said...
Just sayin'

OK, I'll treat you seriously for a minute.

Point out which of my comments in this thread you consider "right-wing talking points".; 10/16/12, 6:24 PM
sakredkow said...: My retort to Chip S however is still the same as it ever was...get a sense of humor. You don't have to be a dick every moment you're on here.; 10/16/12, 6:26 PM
sakredkow said...: Okay so we were talking about my retort to you.

Okay, none of them were right-wing "talking points".

Let's just say they're all right-wing polemics.; 10/16/12, 6:28 PM
Unknown said...: Fake and deceptive?

SuperPac money is fake and deceptive.

This is just clever and oh so true.

I love it and just sent it to 500 of my closest friends.; 10/16/12, 6:28 PM
Unknown said...: Freder Frederson said...
One would have to a complete moron to be "tricked" by the site."

The defense rests.; 10/16/12, 6:29 PM
chickelit said...: @phx: OK, if I made a lefty laugh I guess it was worth it. Garage and Inga are so dour these days.; 10/16/12, 6:29 PM
chickelit said...: speaking of dour....; 10/16/12, 6:29 PM
sakredkow said...: Dude you stepped on my pointed joke about Chip Ahoy's posts to make a point about O'bama's "3.75 years of lying and incompetence."

Totally ruined a very funny line of mine with a typical right-wing, and I might add needlessly technocratic or at least too precise, remark.; 10/16/12, 6:31 PM
Anonymous said...: Hahaha, someone else called Chip S. a dick, besides me.; 10/16/12, 6:31 PM
sakredkow said...: Damn right I'm gonna bitch slap you! Now give us some sugar.; 10/16/12, 6:32 PM
chickelit said...: Even in post-coital repose the headache has not subsided...; 10/16/12, 6:34 PM
sakredkow said...: And don't tell me my line wasn't funny! Don't front.; 10/16/12, 6:35 PM
Mark said...: Pogo, that's brilliant!; 10/16/12, 6:36 PM
garage mahal said...: Meanwhile garage's hero gets tighter with his hard left core and takes on Nixonian aura; Talk about toxic-at-the-polls complementarity

You read WAY too many right wing blogs and comments.

Would Nixon have held public hearings and admit an intelligence failure within 30 days? Nixon?

Are you out of your fucking mind?

Setting aside the mythical hard left core of Obama which is a screaming howler on its own.; 10/16/12, 6:37 PM
furious_a said...: phx: @furious_a I know it's like Mommy and Daddy fighting, right? It's discomfiting me!

I need my hummingbird-feeder and Debbie-Wasserman-boing-boing-hair fix.; 10/16/12, 6:37 PM
Balfegor said...: re: phx:

@Balfegor and what are the consequences if someone is deceived here? Are they going to make a donation to Obama thinking it's Romney?

I'm not saying someone who was deceived should be able to sue the DNC for damages. I'm just saying that Freder's affected scorn here is totally misplaced -- the law assumes that we are precisely the sort of fool who would be misled by this kind of thing.; 10/16/12, 6:39 PM
Chip S. said...: needlessly technocratic or at least too precise, remark.

I'll unpack that for you.

A while back, a favorite left-wing talking point was that the Democrats had not actually had control of the Congress for the first two years of Obama's administration, b/c the new Congress took over a couple of weeks before Jan. 20 of 2010.

The technocratic precision of "3.75 years" was a reference to that.

You see, it's really quite funny if you pay close attention. Work on developing your humor receptors and we'll get along delightfully.; 10/16/12, 6:40 PM
AF said...: I am outraged by this flagrant attempt to deceive voters into believing that Mitt Romney hasn't divulged the details of his tax plan. As anyone can plainly see, the 20% cut in tax rates will be offset by; 10/16/12, 6:40 PM
furious_a said...: Well, I have the Democrat's fiscal plan in 5 easy steps.

1)Borrow Money from China.

[..]

Those million Muppets soon to march should have "Made in China" prominently displayed. For truth-in-advertising, and all.; 10/16/12, 6:43 PM
furious_a said...: I am outraged by this flagrant attempt to deceive voters into believing that Mitt Romney hasn't divulged the details of his tax plan.

Get in line, pal -- we've been waiting for Senate Democrats to vote out a budget for almost four years.; 10/16/12, 6:44 PM
Nathan Alexander said...: Inga said:
Hahaha, someone else called Chip S. a dick, besides me.

Nice to see you admit to a personal attack, for once. You usually have a holier-than-thou attitude.

Of course, now that I said that, you'll claim you never made a personal attack and call me a liar.

Again.; 10/16/12, 6:45 PM
alan markus said...: Speaking of deception, what about Ryan at the soup kitchen, I hear they had to save some dirty dishes for him to pose with, now that's humorous.

1995: US President Bill Clinton(C) and his wife Hillary (R) serve Thanksgiving dinner to homeless people at the Blair Shelter in Washington, DC; 10/16/12, 6:45 PM
sakredkow said...: Okay Balfegor I get the point.

Earlier I was trying to imagine what "deceived" concretely looks like in this case. I was trying to understand if those crying about the so-called deception were saying the "deceived" are getting to the site deceptively, or if they are simply deceived for two seconds when they get there before getting oriented...or what?

Then I understood I wasn't missing anything and those crying about it were just playing at being offended.

That was my chronic with this whole issue.; 10/16/12, 6:46 PM
sakredkow said...: The technocratic precision of "3.75 years" was a reference to that.

Yeah, Chip S. The sad part is I know what you were talking about. And dammit, you just can't be funny, man!; 10/16/12, 6:48 PM
Anonymous said...: Oh no Nathan I wouldn't deny it. I most certainly did call Chip S. a dick, who knows maybe I called you one too. Did I? Lord only knows, I'm far from holy.; 10/16/12, 6:49 PM
Matt said...: So... nearly two hours and no Obama supporters can answer the question I asked at 5:01?; 10/16/12, 6:52 PM
furious_a said...: Speaking of deception, what about Ryan at the soup kitchen, I hear they had to save some dirty dishes for him to pose with, now that's humorous.

I hear they had to set up a fake factory for Obama to pay back a bundler.; 10/16/12, 6:53 PM
sakredkow said...: Oh Christ, that's way out of my league Matt. I'm not even interested.

Garage, Inga? You guys want to take Matt's question?; 10/16/12, 6:53 PM
Anonymous said...: Phx, above my pay grade. Besides I'm not in the mood.; 10/16/12, 6:54 PM
sakredkow said...: Lindsay will be good at answering your question when she gets back, Matt. Let's ask her.; 10/16/12, 6:54 PM
Nora said...: "I don't see why they think it's good for them to be fake and deceptive"

Purpose justifies means? Lefties love this maxim, way to much to my taste.; 10/16/12, 6:56 PM
Patrick said...: I see from DRUDGE'S main photo that the President is already on stage.; 10/16/12, 6:59 PM
sakredkow said...: I see from DRUDGE'S main photo that the President is already on stage.

What hypocritical thing won't he do next?; 10/16/12, 7:00 PM
Tim said...: Matt said...

"My back-of-the-envelope math shows that ending the tax cuts for the rich and getting out of Afghanistan wouldn't even cover 15% of the annual deficit. (Assuming ending the tax cuts do not negatively impact economic activities.)

So, Obama supporters, where does the remaining 85+% come from? Put up or shut up about Romney's lack of "details".

10/16/12 5:01 PM

Hey Matt, did any Obama supporters answer this question?; 10/16/12, 7:00 PM
Anonymous said...: "Romney says in his first debate: "I don't want to lower taxes for the ricest";

garage says:

he's lying dum dum. That is literally the only thing that motivates Republicans in power."

10/16/12 4:00 PM

This. It's not the only thing, though. I am also positive that when Republicans in power have finished a long, hard day of cutting their rich friends' taxes, they secretly meet in a hidden, obscenely lavish DC hideaway. They wear monocles and top hats and light cigars with $1000 bills. When they're done feasting on the roasted meat of exotic endangered species, the entertainment begins. 100 poor black and hispanic orphans, some of whom happen to be gay, are ushered into the room so the Republicans can taunt and laugh at them. The grand finale: young liberal women are put in stocks and the Republicans throw Bibles and coat hangers at them.

Yes, people. This will be America's future if Romney wins.; 10/16/12, 7:01 PM
Tim said...: Patrick said...

"I see from DRUDGE'S main photo that the President is already on stage."

Clint Eastwood was so right.; 10/16/12, 7:02 PM
sakredkow said...: I can answer that, Tim.

No, they didn't.; 10/16/12, 7:02 PM
Anonymous said...: "Hey Matt, did any Obama supporters answer this question?"

It's out of their league. Math is hard.

Presumably the 85% will fall out of the sky like manna or unicorn poo. Perhaps we'll find a big huge pot of gold under the rainbow.

Why sweat it, man? Liberals don't. Somebody really smart, like Obama, will figure it all out for us.; 10/16/12, 7:09 PM
Nora said...: I think this is funny, but not very clever, because the next thought after realizing it was a joke was: and what's Obama's plan? And even if he had it, can we believe his promisses again?

What IS Obama's plan? Where can I read Obama's plan rather than pundits pretending that Obama has a plan (I guess in the same place where his 3 budgets are); 10/16/12, 7:10 PM
Patrick said...: It is funny to me how that empty chair id the enduring image of the entire campaign. Clint took s lot of grief for that act, bit he nailed it.; 10/16/12, 7:11 PM
sakredkow said...: exiledonmainst let's be real. We know both campaigns are soft soaping us on taxes don't we? The math doesn't add up for either one, does it?

Or do you think Romney's plan does add up?; 10/16/12, 7:13 PM
Tim said...: phx said...

"I can answer that, Tim.

No, they didn't. "

Hey, Obama voters!

What's up with this?

Where does the money come from?

Any idea?

A link, to Obama's website, with an answer?

Got one?; 10/16/12, 7:15 PM
Anonymous said...: Perhaps some conservatives should give their opinion of what would constitute the 85 % of cuts that would remain after withdrawl from Afghanistan and ending tax cuts for the rich. I'd love to hear it.

Getting into this type of discussion with you folks is a trap and would be quite time consuming, I'm not going to waste the hour before the debates, I need to get my snacks ready.; 10/16/12, 7:16 PM
purplepenquin said...: Althouse puts up a post designed to trick you into thinking that the DNC put up a webpage without admitting they were behind it. I'm surprised that she thinks it is acceptable to engage in this kind of trickery...or that she wants to be associated with deception.

LOL...who am I kidding? I ain't surprised at all that she did this...nor am I surprised that she is planting her flag on this one with the "Take a long time to see that" claim. It just shows desperation and a lack of class.; 10/16/12, 7:17 PM
chickelit said...: @exiledonmainst: You're mocking garage mahone's Weltanschauung. I'm fairly certain that's the cartoon level of his worldview.; 10/16/12, 7:17 PM