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Live-blogging the big VP debate.

6:45 Central Time: Get ready!

7:18: "Paul Ryan's very attractive to a lot of women," opines David Gergen on the CNN pre-show. I have the DVR set to play the debate on CNN, but I'm thinking of changing because they're going to display focus group reactions on screen — colored lines — through the whole thing. I want to form my own opinion!

7:47: CNN commentators are finding a hundred different ways to say that the debate will be affected by having the candidates sitting and physically close together. Somehow, it will be harder to fight, at least in a personal way.

8:03: Game on. First question is about Libya and the absence of protests. Biden goes first, not focusing on the question asked, the massive failure of intelligence. Ryan takes notes.

8:06: Biden talks about tracking down terrorists to the "gates of Hell," as Ryan smiles. Ryan immediately attacks the President for blaming the YouTube video. We should have had a Marine detachment protecting Chris Stevens. We've been "projecting weakness abroad." We're witnessing "the unraveling of Obama foreign policy."

8:09: Biden is being rude, laughing and mouthing words.  And Ryan is talking about serious national security matters. Biden mutters an interruption. When Biden is given a turn, he calls what Ryan said "malarky." Biden stutters and falters and has to say "uh" about 5 times before he can come up with the word "Iran."

8:12: "We weren't told they wanted more security," Biden says, and now it's Ryan who laughs — a little scoff.

8:13: Should the U.S. apologize? Ryan says "yes" re urinating on Korans — which the moderator (Raddatz) mentioned — but not "for standing up for our values."

8:15: Ryan is speaking earnestly about preventing Iran from getting nuclear weapons, and Biden is chuckling toothily, his body shaking like Santa Claus. Biden says if Republicans had had control of the sanctions, the rest of the world wouldn't have followed us. These were "the most crippling sanctions." Biden goes on and on assuring us that Iran is far from being able to deliver a nuclear bomb. He accuses the Republicans of "loose talk."

8:19: Biden talks to "Bibi" all the time and so does Obama. What Ryan says is "a bunch of stuff." When Ryan speaks, Biden is laughing clownishly again. It looks just awful. Ryan isn't rattled by it. I think he knows Biden looks foolish.

8:23: Biden is acting as though he cannot physically tolerate Ryan having a turn to speak!

8:25: Economics. Biden grabs the opportunity to push the 47% theme. He's "had it up to here," he says, with wealthy people not paying their fair share.  He sounds really cranky and angry. Ryan: "Joe and I are from similar towns." And in Janesville, his home town, unemployment has gone from 8.5% to 10%. Biden busts out another big grin.

8:29: "The Vice President very well knows that the words don't always come out the right way," Ryan says, getting a laugh, defending Romney from the 47% charge. Instead of taking this graciously, Biden mutters something about how he believes everything he says. Ryan tells some stories about Romney's charity toward the unfortunate, which includes someone that was in a car accident, and Biden takes the opportunity to remind us that his own wife died in a car crash, which is sad, but oddly misplaced.

8:33: Ryan talks about "green pork" in the stimulus, and Biden gets all cranked up about how Ryan sought stimulus money for his district. Biden continually interrupts Ryan in a way I find incredibly annoying.

8:36: While Ryan is talking about Medicare helping his mother and grandmother, Biden sighs long and loud. Sighing! Remember when Gore got in no end of trouble for sighing? How can Biden not know that?!

8:39: "They got caught with their hands in the cookie jar, turning Medicare into a piggy bank for Obamacare," says Ryan. Biden interrupts. Ryan says: "Mr. Vice President, I know you're under a lot of duress to make up for lost ground, but I think everyone will be better served if we don't keep interrupting each other." I love the politeness of "if we don't keep" — we — when Biden has been an interruption machine and Ryan has barely interrupted and only occasionally has talked over to keep from losing his turn. The moderator, Martha Raddatz has done nothing at all to control Biden, who is, I think, hurting himself. Biden says: "Well, don't take all 4 minutes then." He should have said, "All right" or something reasonably conciliatory.

8:51: The stress level is rising. Biden is so angry. Why is he yelling? Ryan needs nerves of steel not to lose his cool. I'm impressed that Ryan, when he gets his turn, is able to speak in an even, natural voice. It's hard to concentrate on the policy itself, because the emotional static is so strong.

9:11: Biden has been yelling at Martha Raddatz for the last 15 minutes (as the subject is war). It's so inappropriate!

9:21: They're asked to talk about how their Catholicism has informed their position on abortion. Ryan isn't pro-life "simply because of" his Catholicism. It's also about science and reason. He talks of seeing his bean-shaped unborn child on a sonogram. Biden says "My religion informs who I am." He accepts the Catholic position on abortion that life begins at conception, but he refuses to impose that on others.

9:27: The last question is about negative campaigning. Biden rambles. Paul Ryan attributes the negativity to Obama's failures: he has nothing to run on.

9:34: Wait. That wasn't the last question. There's a question about character: What do you bring as a man? Nothing particularly interesting was extracted by that question.

9:35: Now, closing statements.

9:48: That debate was so annoying! Some of the CNN commentators are talking about how Biden did what he came to do, to fire up the Democrats. "This was not for the independents," says Van Jones. Okay, well, but independents were watching, and Biden was horribly rude. He created this disturbing atmosphere of anxiety.

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MadisonMan বলেছেন...

I'm not watching either. Errands, etc.

Known Unknown বলেছেন...

If genius involves turning a budget surplus into the greatest financial meltdown since the great depression.

I'm no Bush fan, but I would love your elaboration on this.

Show your work.

Lyssa বলেছেন...

Stephanie Cutter on CNN: "There's been very little movement in the polls lately." Really.

Seeing Red বলেছেন...

Inga's European, it's in the genes.

edutcher বলেছেন...

AnUnreasonableTroll said...

Bush II looks like fiscal genius.

If genius involves turning a budget surplus into the greatest financial meltdown since the great depression.


No surplus. Willie never had a budget that wasn't in deficit (easily verified, btw).

And "the greatest financial meltdown since the great depression" was thanks to Willie's expansion of the CRA through subprime mortgages which Dubya tried to kill.

We have talked about this before.

Matt Sablan বলেছেন...

This was a lot closer, but, I don't see Biden decisively winning anything. Draw, at best.

নামহীন বলেছেন...

BIDEN WON.

নামহীন বলেছেন...

BIDEN WON.

Hagar বলেছেন...

Looks like our hostess could only watch in installments too.

I do not in any way believe that "the intelligence community" told the White House that the attack in Benghazi was a mob attack incited by that stupid video.

Guildofcannonballs বলেছেন...

Did William F. Buckley?

Why did not we?

Steyn didn't.

নামহীন বলেছেন...

I agree, Biden was a dick, but he said what he needed to say to energize the base.

virgil xenophon বলেছেন...

Yes, I agree with those here who think Ann should be the--no, I'll go further and say she should be the permanent moderator of ALL debates for the same reason New Orleans should be the permanent home of all Superbowls because no other venue comes close to N.O. and no other person on the nat scene has the analytical ability (AND personality)to call BS as moderator when someone says the earth is flat with a straight face..

Diogenes of Sinope বলেছেন...

Biden, a dick and the Left loves him.

Known Unknown বলেছেন...

Ask them how.

What birth control are they talking about?


I'd love to, but it's not really worth it.

I don't understand how birth control has become so incumbent upon women and how they're okay with not having men take any responsibility in that department.

Freeman Hunt বলেছেন...

Althouse, how did this play to the moderate mind?

Progressively Defensive বলেছেন...

You'd think Obama's been good to the middle class and the rich have been brought low; it's been the opposite. Ryan let Biden get away with masking the last 4 years.

Freeman Hunt বলেছেন...

Don't any of you other commenters have moderate spouses? What did they think?

Titus বলেছেন...

Letters to Biden for earmarks?

That is fucking depressing.

I don't believe it and I want to see them.

Ryan voted for Wars that weren't paid and for Medicare Part D. This is a complete lie. He would never do this because he is a fiscal conservative.

john বলেছেন...

I think Martha was better than Lehrer, asked more incisive questions, got the action going, and the talking time wasn't all that different.

ALH বলেছেন...

Both played to the base.

Ryan, imo, played better to independent.

Among those independents with excellent manners, they preferred Ryan over Biden 90% - 10 %.

paminwi বলেছেন...

chris wallace says he has never seen such disrepect from one person to another in any debate that heas covered

Bob Ellison বলেছেন...

It does appear that the story-line is that Biden slaughtered Ryan. This is maniacal. I still predict riots on November 7. I hope not, but the lefties and the press seem dedicated to denial.

virgil xenophon বলেছেন...

GOP Nat Chairman Priebus says Biden interrupted 82 times!

bagoh20 বলেছেন...

On Fox, they are skewering Biden's rudeness. I'm not watching,but I bet MSNBC loved it.

The rule of Lemnity বলেছেন...

According to Althouse notes Ryan did very well.

She still not written her impression on the closing.

edutcher বলেছেন...

More bad news:

CNBC: [POLL RESULTS] Who do you think won the VP Debate? Paul Ryan: 56%, Joe Biden: 36%, Neither: 8%.

Once more unto the breach, dear friends, once more.

Beloved Commenter AReasonableMan বলেছেন...

edutcher said...
And "the greatest financial meltdown since the great depression" was thanks to Willie's expansion of the CRA through subprime mortgages which Dubya tried to kill.


As usual, you are the only person on either the right or left willing to defend Bush's record on the economy. Bush had eight fucking years to deal with the economy and the final result: he is one small step better than Hoover, and he largely has Obama to thank for that.

Michael K বলেছেন...

I thought Radditz did a good job and was fair to Ryan. Biden's shit eating grins and body language will result in a conclusion that he lost big time. He acts the clown and doesn't seem to care. Ryan's comeback on 7% was clever and obviously well planned.

Freeman Hunt বলেছেন...

What about the Dingle-Norwood bill?

নামহীন বলেছেন...

I suppose I should have called my fence, but I didn't have a good feeling going in that Ryan would dominate Ryan, as Romney did Obama.

Obama's failure in the first debate was a total "wardrobe malfunction" due to Obama's laziness and arrogance.

All Biden had to do was whip up a lot of "stuff" and he would be good enough not to look like a tongue-tied fool as Obama did week ago.

cubanbob বলেছেন...

AReasonableMan said...
Progressively Defensive said...

Bush II looks like fiscal genius.

If genius involves turning a budget surplus into the greatest financial meltdown since the great depression.

10/11/12 9:45 PM

Clinton had a temporary surplus because Newt kept his spending on a leash and a stock market boom generated boatloads of cap gains taxes. Of course you conveniently overlook that when Bush took office the market had crashed, the economy was in a recession and then came 9/11. The big meltdown came from the economic IED's planted by the democrats, but a lib never lets inconvenient facts get in the way of the narrative. You are right, compared to Obama Bush 2 is a financial genius.

Known Unknown বলেছেন...

As usual, you are the only person on either the right or left willing to defend Bush's record on the economy. Bush had eight fucking years to deal with the economy and the final result: he is one small step better than Hoover, and he largely has Obama to thank for that.

You still haven't supplied any details on this. Just opinion and conjecture.

Keep in mind, I'm not defending Bush's record. I just don't buy your line of thinking.

edutcher বলেছেন...

Ann Althouse said...

! Some of the CNN commentators are talking about how Biden did what he came to do, to fire up the Democrats. "This was not for the independents," says Van Jones.

Communist and former Administration czar, for those who wish us we would all forget.

নামহীন বলেছেন...

"This was not for the independents," says Van Jones.

Meaning: he needs to secure the wobbly base.

Seeing Red বলেছেন...

Bush had 8 years to deal with the economy after basically a nuke went off in Manhattan.

How come that's always forgotten? How much of a monetary hit did we take again?

That we managed as well as we did after that....

Rusty বলেছেন...

Biden did better than I thought he would, but damn, what a cocksucker.

clint বলেছেন...

Indigo Red said...

Biden talk time: 41:32

Ryan talk time: 40:11


That may be the official time -- I'd love to see the numbers when you subtract out all the time Biden and the moderator spent talking over Ryan during his time.

Progressively Defensive বলেছেন...

Actually Bush II inherited the Clinton recession that required the Bush II tax cut stimulus. Clinton's surplus was based on both a real estate bubble and internet bubble.

Forget about these minions. Reaganomics! Is there any legitimate criticism left about Reagan. He cause the '83 to '09 expansion and the rest were tinkerers. The only criticism there might have been at one time was the deficit, but he create jobs at $10K per job. And he defeated the USSR and inflation. Poverty went down, unemployment when down, crime went down, intrest rates went down, inflation went down.

Hmmm. So why don't we do the same? Tax cuts, domestic spending cuts, defense spending increases, and small to medium deficits if at all and, yes, the rich did best, but everyone did wonderfully. Thatcher put it best. Democrats would rather everyone be poorer if we're equally poorer. Reaganomics is about giving those who want to work a chance to rise; and those who don't can do fine but won't enjoy an equal wealth they did not earn.

bagoh20 বলেছেন...

"Don't any of you other commenters have moderate spouses?"

Mine is a raging libertarian, and I haven't met her yet, but I know she thinks Biden was a dick. I love you Kitten, wherever you are.

নামহীন বলেছেন...

I watched CNN a bit and it was all about covering for Biden and they even gave Stephanie Cutter a chance to lie about her lies.

Biden acted horribly and rudely.

However, the journolist has been instructed to call it a big win for Biden.

Seven Machos বলেছেন...

Oh man, it's Reasonable back. Awesome. Tell us about how Europe is great, dude, because of the pretty buildings. And about how Germany and Italy go back 2,000 years each.

Loved those stories! Loved them!

Also, Romney is going to be president.

Known Unknown বলেছেন...

On second thought, I'm exhausted over the past.

Let's just talk about what happened tonight.

Methadras বলেছেন...

Like I said. Ryan turned Biden into a human mop and Joe pretty much put his open mouth on the floor and let Ryan shove the rod up his ass and cleaned up. Biden came off as a rickety nutter who was rude and inconsiderate, ended up being a time whiner, couldn't even be cogent, nor could he counter the numerical facts that Ryan presented.

PianoLessons বলেছেন...

I am pretty sure as I watched this debate that November 6 (?) will show that our nation – ironically – goes 47% for Obama and 53% for Romney.

I swear – if the NYT broke a major investigative story tomorrow telling Americans that the Obama campaign has been proven to be siphoning 2 cents a gallon at the pump for ALL of us….many in the 47% would still vote for Obama because they would think this is OK.

This would be the part of the 47% who do not pay federal income tax and receive food stamps, rent subsidies, free daycare, Section 8 housing supplements (note – not those on Medicare or Social Security who care about their grandchildren’s future too much to go for Obama).

Obama campaign promises “free stuff” – as in Obamaphones – for a lot of folks now days.

They may vote (I hope they only vote once but I have no confidence about even that)…..

But remember folks what we did in Wisconsin – a very rural state – on June 5, 2012. Small town folks all over Wisconsin swamped the big city liberals (Milwaukee, Madison and Green Bay) – one vote at a time – to defeat the looney left Recall of Governor Walker.

Wisconsin will not only save this nation in November – we have inspired Michigan, Minnesota, Iowa, Missouri, Indiana, Ohio and even Illinois.

America is going to get back in the right direction in November – I predict a Romney landslide and it will be flyover country where we cling to our guns and religion.

We are going to take America to school in November. Have faith. I do.

Nora বলেছেন...

Haha AP, this is, in a nutshell, what they are talking now on NPR.

Unknown বলেছেন...

Ann...Thanks for doing the heavy lifting and giving us a blow by blow description of the most annoying debate in memory. I lasted only 5mins and bailed. Turned the TV completely off. IMHO, Biden merely appeased the hard left. No other hearts were won.

Theranter বলেছেন...

wyo sis: (re the Court) "strange that Biden brings that up" BINGO!

People! PLEASE go back and watch that exchange from a director's lens-- it was totally choreographed!

Biden and Ra-al-la-ditz had to have rehearsed for it to flow the way it did so old Joe could scare the all the women "The court, the court" It was a talking point (now dubbed a scare-the-stupid-people-point by this admin i am sure)

wyo sis বলেছেন...

So much for the Biden is a nice guy meme.

Theranter বলেছেন...

wyo sis: (re the Court) "strange that Biden brings that up" BINGO!

People! PLEASE go back and watch that exchange from a director's lens-- it was totally choreographed!

Biden and Ra-al-la-ditz had to have rehearsed for it to flow the way it did so old Joe could scare the all the women "The court, the court" It was a talking point (now dubbed a scare-the-stupid-people-point by this admin i am sure)

নামহীন বলেছেন...

Seeing Red, that's exactly true.

Lyle বলেছেন...

Stephanie Cutter is horrible human being.

Guildofcannonballs বলেছেন...

Steyn, raping his own incestuos bad-spelling self, could not be new around a fuck like Hitchens. because Hitchens call dragon a lizard.......



yeah that's how it is text to speech.

in reality I'm talking about Ronald Reagan.

hitchens call POTUS Ronald Reagon a lizard in you don't care z it rdoesn't mean anything to you personally feeling anything now

edutcher বলেছেন...

AnUnreasonableTroll said...

And "the greatest financial meltdown since the great depression" was thanks to Willie's expansion of the CRA through subprime mortgages which Dubya tried to kill.

As usual, you are the only person on either the right or left willing to defend Bush's record on the economy. Bush had eight fucking years to deal with the economy and the final result: he is one small step better than Hoover, and he largely has Obama to thank for that.


The Troll can't read, obviously. At what point did I defend Dubya's handling of the economy or spending record?

All I did was state an historical fact.

Dubya tried many times to rein in subprime. The record is quite clear.

But the Troll still has to deal with the fact his Messiah made things worse not better.

NoraCharles বলেছেন...

CNN just did their reality check piece and they only focused Ryan. Didn't even take a run at any of Biden's comments.

ALH বলেছেন...

" I haven't met her yet, but I know she thinks Biden was a dick. I love you Kitten, wherever you are."

HA!! Best laugh of the day.(although to be honest, my day sucked. but thanks anyway!)

Beloved Commenter AReasonableMan বলেছেন...

EMD said...
You still haven't supplied any details on this. Just opinion and conjecture.


It is hard to believe you are serious. On who's watch did the financial meltdown occur? The worst financial crisis since the great depression. It is the achievement for which Bush will be most remembered in the history books.

john বলেছেন...

Bagoh20 -

Have you met Inga? I think you two could hit it off.

cubanbob বলেছেন...

AReasonableMan said...
edutcher said...
And "the greatest financial meltdown since the great depression" was thanks to Willie's expansion of the CRA through subprime mortgages which Dubya tried to kill.

As usual, you are the only person on either the right or left willing to defend Bush's record on the economy. Bush had eight fucking years to deal with the economy and the final result: he is one small step better than Hoover, and he largely has Obama to thank for that.

10/11/12 9:54 PM

All said and done still a hell of lot better than Obama.
In the meantime, what is Zero proposing? Raising taxes and more debt in the middle of a recession, just what Hoover did and what turned a great recession in to a great depression. Keep digging fool.

নামহীন বলেছেন...

Meaning: he needs to secure the wobbly base.

elkh1: Exactly. I think it worked. Others?

jr565 বলেছেন...

Oh, and Inga, Biden voted for both Afghanistan and Iraq wars. So perhaps he should own his vote and not I sinuate that he didn't vote for them.

“By the way, they talk about this great recession like it fell out of the sky–like, ‘Oh my goodness, where did it come from?’” Biden said. “It came from this man voting to put two wars on a credit card, at the same time, put a prescription drug plan on the credit card, a trillion dollar tax cut for the very wealthy.”

“I was there, I voted against them,” Biden continued. “I said, no, we can’t afford that.”

Then Sen. Biden voted for the Afghanistan resolution on Sept. 14, 2001 which authorized “the use of United States Armed Forces against those responsible for the recent attacks launched against the United States.”

And on Oct. 11, 2002, Biden voted for a resolution authorizing unilateral military action in Iraq, according to the Washington Post.

so in fact joe did not say "no, we can't afford that". What a fucking liar.

jungatheart বলেছেন...

"Biden isn't smirking, it's more of a rictus!"


lol

Ryan killed.

Progressively Defensive বলেছেন...

Bush II was a great president.

You know the housing bubble was 30 years in the making and due to bi-partisan pandering to everyone under the sun.

It could have burst in 1999, 2008, or 2011. It burst in 2008. Bush II in fact warned the Democratic Congress to fix it in 2007 but was ignored. If not for that happenstanace that had nothing to do with Bush II's policies distinct from his predecessor or successor, he'd be Fiscal Prime.

$350,000/job! That's Obama, spending on a credit card so he looks good at 7.8% (not that good) for a month or two at election time. Everything else and everyone else 5, 10, 20 years from now ... See Ya, Suckers.

Known Unknown বলেছেন...

On who's watch did the financial meltdown occur? The worst financial crisis since the great depression.

Specifically, what Bush policies led to the financial meltdown?

I eagerly await your vague platitudes.

Bob Ellison বলেছেন...

I think of "live-blogging" as requiring lots of updates during the event in question. You failed on that, Professor.

নামহীন বলেছেন...

AmericanWoman, forget about the 2 cents, heck the government get about 50 cents a gallon. If every news station showed Obama and Biden killing old ladies on the white house lawn while sodomizing chickens those people would still vote for him.

Wince বলেছেন...

For all his bluster, whatever rhetorical debate points Biden was able to score, I'm not sure they amount to a hill of beans as far as judging which administration you want in office.

Ryan seemed like the adult in the room.

wyo sis বলেছেন...

Biden talk time: 41:32

Ryan talk time: 40:11

Who gets credit for all the overtalk?

Wince বলেছেন...
এই মন্তব্যটি লেখক দ্বারা সরানো হয়েছে।
DADvocate বলেছেন...

I like Biden less than I like Obama, always have. Biden was too bellicose and seemed angry. I want rational people in the White House and at Number One Observatory Circle. Biden doesn't appear rational. But, that's nothing new.

cubanbob বলেছেন...

AReasonableMan said...
EMD said...
You still haven't supplied any details on this. Just opinion and conjecture.

It is hard to believe you are serious. On who's watch did the financial meltdown occur? The worst financial crisis since the great depression. It is the achievement for which Bush will be most remembered in the history books.

10/11/12 10:01 PM

Really? The history books will remember Bush for stoping a bank run dead in its tracks, a run that would have caused another great depression. Funny thing, economist said that technically the recession ended just as Obama took office. So if Zero had done nothing, just gone golfing, the economy would have recovered two years ago instead Zero's stupid policies that crippled a recovery and will result in a double dip recession.

edutcher বলেছেন...

If this is any indication, even the Lefties didn't like Joe tonight.

Indigo Red বলেছেন...

CNBC VP debate poll -

Who do you think won the vice presidential debate?
Paul Ryan
53%
Joe Biden
41%
Neither
6%

Seeing Red বলেছেন...

--So if Zero had done nothing, just gone golfing, the economy would have recovered two years ago instead Zero's stupid policies that crippled a recovery and will result in a double dip recession.---

Hello, FDR! Depression lasted longer than it needed to.

George বলেছেন...

Biden was speaking to the base, to get them riled up, and to single women, to get them to think Ryan is coming for their lady parts.

I'm pretty sure he succeeded in the first. In the second, not so sure.

Seven Machos বলেছেন...

Reasonable sounds for all the world like the dude still bitching four years after a bad breakup. And, note, during those four years, his life has been in complete tatters. And he's been sleeping all day and drinking a lot.

But it's that bitch Bush's fault!

Anyway, Reasonable, that Europe sure is pretty. Especially Greece and Spain. And those 3,000-year-old countries Germany and Italy.

The rule of Lemnity বলেছেন...

The women on the FOX focus group didn't like Bidens constant interruptions.

515 বলেছেন...

.@CBSNews INSTANT POLL of Undecided Voters: Who won #VPdebate? BIDEN: 50% RYAN: 31% TIE: 19%

Beloved Commenter AReasonableMan বলেছেন...

Seven Machos said...
Oh man, it's Reasonable back.


Dear Seven, I understand that your sex change operation was badly botched and I completely understand how bitter you must feel. And I know the surgeon was a liberal, all those smart guys are liberals. Still, it is not fair to take our your anger on the rest of us. Peace be with you brother. You are going to overcome this.

wyo sis বলেছেন...

If the base needs a smirking jackass to feel energized it speaks volumes about them.

traditionalguy বলেছেন...

The moderator was a human mute button used whenever Ryan started making a good point. She will likely get several awards from the Hollywood community for her great performance as a moderator.

নামহীন বলেছেন...

At least Ryan was honest about his stance on abortion, unlike Romney, have to give him credit for staying true to his beliefs. No one really knows what Romney's stance is because of all the flip flops.

Seven Machos বলেছেন...

Tell us about how Germany is thousands of years old, Reasonable. And Italy. Didn't you mention that famous Italian Diocletian? Crotian? Italian? What's the difference?

Anyway, I hear Greece is beautiful if you are one of the fully three in four employed people there. Spain, too. Portugal. Ireland.

We should be like that unity that is "Europe," right? That's what you said.

Moron.

Romney is going to be president-elect in a month.

Known Unknown বলেছেন...

No one really knows what Romney's stance is because of all the flip flops.

I don't get the harping on this. You're not voting for Romney anyway.

নামহীন বলেছেন...

http://pjmedia.com/instapundit/153013/

Seven Machos বলেছেন...

Inga -- The president's position on abortion doesn't matter very much at all. It's a tangential issue.

To the extent you get yourself bothered by it, you are wasting your time.

Michael K বলেছেন...

"And "the greatest financial meltdown since the great depression" was thanks to Willie's expansion of the CRA through subprime mortgages which Dubya tried to kill.

As usual, you are the only person on either the right or left willing to defend Bush's record on the economy. Bush had eight fucking years to deal with the economy and the final result: he is one small step better than Hoover, and he largely has Obama to thank for that."

So the mortgage crisis was unexplainable ? Nobody could predict what would happen ? The Bush people made no effort to rein in Fannie Mae with Johnson and Raines and Gorelick running things ?

Alan Greenspan did not keep interest rates too low too long ?

OK I see where you are coming from.

Bleach Drinkers Curing Coronavirus Together বলেছেন...

The stress level is rising. Biden is so angry. Why is he yelling?

Because his opponent's LYING! Lying has a way of making people angry.

Not that I'd expect you to know.

Seven Machos বলেছেন...

EMD said it better. In addition, the country is 60/40 against abortion, so being for it is not a national winner at all.

Why do you think Clinton added "and rare" to his support?

Seeing Red বলেছেন...

Outside of executive orders, Inga, what can the president do? Other than enshrine sterilization for 15 year olds.

Dear corrupt left, go F yourselves বলেছেন...

Fannie and Freddie and the coruption there - that should see more light of day. Since it was all democrats, the media won't touch it.

virgil xenophon বলেছেন...

CNN debate poll says:48% Ryan, 44% Biden w. error rate of 5%--basically a draw.


The polls are going to be all over the place--reflecting more the self-selected audience of each network than anything else(i.e., lefties at CBS, MSNBC, conservatives @Fox & CNBC w. CNN viewers in between..)

নামহীন বলেছেন...

Seven Machos, the President signs bills into law or he vetos them. That's why it's important, you know what personhood bills would do.

gk1 বলেছেন...

What's that say about the state of the race that Slow Joe has to excite "his base" this late in the game? You try to hold on to your base when you are trying to prevent a rout, not win the game. They know they are dead meat on a stick. Que more stories about the obama's researching retirement homes in hawaii for January.

Bleach Drinkers Curing Coronavirus Together বলেছেন...

Seven Machos, the President signs bills into law or he vetos them. That's why it's important, you know what personhood bills would do.

He also nominates Supreme Court justices.

But Machos is too far above the political fray to take note of petty things like that.

Seeing Red বলেছেন...

It has to get there first.


Or is this going to appear out of thin air?

Seven Machos বলেছেন...

LYING!

Oh man, too awesome. We have Ritmo, who thinks things he disagrees with are lies, and -- and! -- Reasonable, who thinks the united, uniform entity of "Europe" is super-pretty because of all the buildings and that 2,000 year old country Germany.

You know it's a good night for your Republican candidate when either of these two show up. What did we do to deserve you together?

Gahrie বলেছেন...

We're all agreed that SNL needs to do a Biden skit this weekend portraying Biden as an angry old man yelling at the kids to get off his lawn .....right?

Known Unknown বলেছেন...

Seven Machos, the President signs bills into law or he vetos them. That's why it's important, you know what personhood bills would do.

You realize the Senate will still be in Democrat hands, right? Your anxiety is misplaced.

bagoh20 বলেছেন...

"Have you met Inga? I think you two could hit it off"

I could become collateral damage. And if the crew here didn't kill me, I might disappear like Allie Oop did. All they ever found was her disembodied chakra preserved in a mason jar.

The rule of Lemnity বলেছেন...

CNN is not polling the debate on line.

I wonder why?

Seeing Red বলেছেন...

It's not like Romney wouldn't have a full plate.

Because everything else is going swimmingly.

Seven Machos বলেছেন...

Good, Ritmo. What law, Ritmo, moron, will Congress pass against abortion? Can Congress outlaw abortion? Will Congress outlaw abortion?

This is going to be fabulous...

DADvocate বলেছেন...

The first sentence at CNN.com is "Closing their debate, Joe Biden stressed "leveling the playing field for the middle class."

Fuck leveling the playing field. I want to play at a higher level, not a lower level. Joe Biden just wants me to think that he's somehow helping me by bringing someone else down. You win by climbing up, performing at a higher level, not making everyone into losers. Fuck Joe Biden and the horse he rode in on. He's never helped anyone and never will.

Dear corrupt left, go F yourselves বলেছেন...

The democrat party has become the party of corruption and graft.
But they still have tax payer funded abortions! They can still scare the wiminz! They can scream “Liar” as loud as anyone! Groovy.

dvlfish13 বলেছেন...

I think Biden patterned his debate strategy after the classic all night drunk.

First Act: Laughing Joe. Good times.

Second Act: Angry Joe. "I remember throwing punches around and preaching from my chair."

Third Act: Maudlin Joe. "We was handed a bucket of shit"

Seeing Red বলেছেন...

Abortion was available in the 50s.

Beloved Commenter AReasonableMan বলেছেন...

cubanbob said...
Really? The history books will remember Bush for stoping a bank run dead in its tracks,


For those of us living in the reality based universe, Bush is Hoover lite. All the bitching about other people being at fault is bullshit. He had eight years to fix things. He didn't do a thing right. He ran up deficits when he should have been running surpluses and he failed to keep watch on the financial institutions that created the meltdown. No one believes he isn't culpable. No one on the right doesn't believe that Bush fucked up badly. Romney knows this, or he would not be running so hard to get away from the Bush legacy.

Bleach Drinkers Curing Coronavirus Together বলেছেন...

Tell me how you'd like to work out Paul Ryan's math. Ever taken a math course?

The problem with the pomocons (post-modern conservatives) is that they've untethered their gauzy ideas from even the perception of concern for fact.

Known Unknown বলেছেন...

We're all agreed that SNL needs to do a Biden skit this weekend portraying Biden as an angry old man yelling at the kids to get off his lawn .....right?

It's clear you don't watch SNL.

LilyBart বলেছেন...

The women on the FOX focus group didn't like Bidens constant interruptions

I told my husband during the debate that women were going to be turned off by this, the average girl HATES this kind of thing. Makes them uncomfortable. Especially when the other person isn't being a jerk himself.

নামহীন বলেছেন...

I am certainly partisan and so I thought Joe was incredibly rude, but so did the independent I watched the debate with. His reaction: "Jesus, Biden is a fucking laughing hyena up there!"

Yeah, so Biden fired up the base. Does that help if you lose indepedents?

Progressively Defensive বলেছেন...

Bush deficits last 4 years:

350B, 300B, 250B, 425B.

Obama's deficits 4 years:

1400B, 1300B, 1300B, 1100B

Bush's II wars were inexpensive, vital, and victorious. Hussein did have WMD destroyed finally in 2012.

Obama's spent $350,000/job and thrown taxpayer $$$ on Democratic inanities. He's "Detroit-ed" the federal government; with the same result. For Democrats Detroit, California, Greece, and Central Africa are not cautionary tales - they are aspired too policy goals.

Known Unknown বলেছেন...

Tell me how you'd like to work out Paul Ryan's math.

As if you give a shit about math.

Seeing Red বলেছেন...

And you wonder why men didn't want to let the women vote.

It's like we're back in the 1890s, get out the fainting couch & the salts, we're broke, it's open season on Americans but only the vagina matters.

Bleach Drinkers Curing Coronavirus Together বলেছেন...

Machos got too worked up in his cocaine/ADHD med frenzy to realize that SCOTUS justices who could overturn Roe v. Wade are not legislators.

That was awesome.

Seven Machos বলেছেন...

Seeing Red -- But abortion had not been magically found in the penumbra!

The lack of knowledge of these people is unbelievable. They believe, apparently, that abortion was illegal before Roe and that Congress or the president could, with the stroke of a pen one dark night, outlaw it forever.

This is projection. These people want more than anything to be able to prohibit things with the strokes of their pens, so they are convinced it can actually happen.

Bleach Drinkers Curing Coronavirus Together বলেছেন...

Although they're so ideological and outcome oriented that you can hardly tell the difference.

Beloved Commenter AReasonableMan বলেছেন...

Progressively Defensive said..
Bush's II wars were inexpensive, vital, and victorious. Hussein did have WMD destroyed finally in 2012.


No commentary is required for this one.

carrie বলেছেন...

If Biden was a Republican, the covers of Time and Newsweek would look like Druge's"Smile,Smile,Smile" picture.

Roberto বলেছেন...

Geee, Ann...could you possibly be more...biased?

Your comments sound more like your friend Limbaugh than a relatively open-minded viewer.

DUH.

Seeing Red বলেছেন...

A prog's heart, Crack.

নামহীন বলেছেন...

Biden and Obama aren't leveling the playing field, they are leveling the country.

Seven Machos বলেছেন...

SCOTUS justices who could overturn Roe v. Wade are not legislators

Which Supreme Court justices will be outlawing abortion and under what auspices will they do it? Where in the Constitution will the Supreme Court or the Congress or President Romney find the power to outlaw abortion? Unlike, say, the state of Mississippi?

I'm spoon-feeding you the answers here. But you are such an ingrate, you won't bother yourself with thought.

I do hold out hope for Inga. She has shown flashes of what could be thought in the past here.

edutcher বলেছেন...

FWIW

#CNNUndecideds vote that the #VPdebate was a tie. One-third say Joe Biden won. One-third say Paul Ryan won. One-third are undecided.

— CNN Politics (@CNNPolitics) October 12, 2012

Known Unknown বলেছেন...

He ran up deficits when he should have been running surpluses and he failed to keep watch on the financial institutions that created the meltdown.

You're getting closer to specifics, but you're still not there.

How, exactly, did the financial institutions create the meltdown? Bad economies are not in their best interest.

Beloved Commenter AReasonableMan বলেছেন...

O Ritmo Segundo said...
Machos got too worked up in his cocaine/ADHD med frenzy to realize that SCOTUS justices who could overturn Roe v. Wade are not legislators.


You forgot the pain killers that he now addicted to following the botched sex change operation.

Wince বলেছেন...

BREAKING...
A CBS News/GFK poll of 500 uncommitted voters gives Biden 50% edge to Ryan's 31%

No, they should be committed.

Seeing Red বলেছেন...

Ohhh, states' rights is a very scary thing, those great unwashed masses clinging to their guns & Bibles.

How come you don't trust people?

bagoh20 বলেছেন...

"Geee, Ann...could you possibly be more...biased?"

Hell, she voted for Biden. She's just now figuring out who she voted for.

edutcher বলেছেন...

AnUnreasonableTroll said...

Bush's II wars were inexpensive, vital, and victorious. Hussein did have WMD destroyed finally in 2012.

No commentary is required for this one.


IOTW, the Troll surrenders.

Seven Machos বলেছেন...

He ran up deficits

Bush ran up deficits? Too funny, dude.

Come on, Reasonable. Tell us again how that monolith Europe is so great and pretty, and about the 2,000-year history of Italy? Which Italian city was Diocletian from again? I forget...

Known Unknown বলেছেন...

Where in the Constitution will the Supreme Court or the Congress or President Romney find the power to outlaw abortion?

Yeah, I'd like to know how that happens,too.

Ann Althouse বলেছেন...

"Geee, Ann...could you possibly be more...biased?"

Sorry, but Biden was just so off-putting from the beginning that it was a real struggle to watch. He was downright unethical. I found it hard to listen to anything, he was so disruptive. What a jackass!

Bleach Drinkers Curing Coronavirus Together বলেছেন...

Machos is either just thick enough to pretend that running to overturn Roe v. Wade is not a political issue or he is just stupid enough to think that whether it is left up to states or not is something that voters don't care about.

Seeing Red বলেছেন...

Mississippi?

South Dakota I think it was tried to go hard right and it was voted down.

Gahrie বলেছেন...

We're all agreed that SNL needs to do a Biden skit this weekend portraying Biden as an angry old man yelling at the kids to get off his lawn .....right?

It's clear you don't watch SNL.


I didn't say they would, I said they need to.

Bleach Drinkers Curing Coronavirus Together বলেছেন...
এই মন্তব্যটি লেখক দ্বারা সরানো হয়েছে।
Real American বলেছেন...

if Crazy Joe Biden still needs to fire up the Dems a few weeks before the election, Obama is toast.

Michael বলেছেন...

Ritmo. Educate us on Ryan's mathematical lapse. Use math.

Real American বলেছেন...

if Crazy Joe Biden still needs to fire up the Dems a few weeks before the election, Obama is toast.

Seeing Red বলেছেন...

Political issue - country hasn't changed in over 30 years, 60/40 - don't like it, not gonna tell you what to do, don't want to pay for it. But the kids? They don't like it.

Known Unknown বলেছেন...

By my estimation, there are 5 "conservatives" and only 4 "liberals" on the Court now.

They should really take a shot at overturning Roe v. Wade.

Wait? They haven't?

Why not?

Seven Machos বলেছেন...

States are much, much more able to do something about abortion than any president. This happens constantly. Anyone with any understanding of the case law and the law-law knows this.

But you like to blither with no knowledge whatsoever. Froth forth!

Beloved Commenter AReasonableMan বলেছেন...

Ann Althouse said...
He was downright unethical.


It was unethical to call BS on Ryan's BS?

Freeman Hunt বলেছেন...
এই মন্তব্যটি লেখক দ্বারা সরানো হয়েছে।
Freeman Hunt বলেছেন...

Another laugh out loud at this on Facebook:

"‎'If a wise man contends with a foolish man, whether the fool rages or laughs, there is no peace.' Proverbs 29:9."

I'm more of an ESV user myself.

"If a wise man has an argument with a fool, the fool only rages and laughs, and there is no quiet."

More accurate as a description of the debate. Less funny maybe.

MadisonMan বলেছেন...

#CNNUndecideds vote that the #VPdebate was a tie. One-third say Joe Biden won. One-third say Paul Ryan won. One-third are undecided.

Shouldn't they all be undecided? Otherwise, why are they #CNNUndecideds?

DADvocate বলেছেন...

Bidem says, Republicans should be "signing a pledge to the middle class that we're going to level the playing field."

Fuck leveling the playing field. I want to play at a higher level, not a lower level. Joe Biden just wants me to think that he's somehow helping me by bringing someone else down and then make me dependent on government programs. You win by climbing up, performing at a higher level, not by dragging others down. Fuck Joe Biden and the horse he rode in on. He's never helped anyone and never will.

Bleach Drinkers Curing Coronavirus Together বলেছেন...

Ritmo. Educate us on Ryan's mathematical lapse. Use math.

Can't do it. I'm missing the part of the brain that says that a tax cut is a form of revenue increase.

Only Republicans have that. And their record on where it's gotten them is plain for everyone to see.

MadisonMan বলেছেন...

Wait? They haven't?

Why not?

Because the GOP doesn't want RvW overturned.

ALH বলেছেন...



Radatz asked Ryan some very specific and difficult questions: what criteria would you have for putting US troops into Syria?

When Ryan finished, he should've insisted that Biden answer the same question .

Seeing Red বলেছেন...

The best thing is, at this point we can still move from state to state without papers.

If it goes back to states' rights, if that's your overriding concern, you can move to a state that's more flexible.

Shouting Thomas বলেছেন...

I don't want the Fed to have more revenue.

I want the Fed to cut spending. Big time.

Starve the beast.

Known Unknown বলেছেন...

revenue increase.

Taxes should not be seen as 'revenue generators.'

Erik বলেছেন...

I'm pro-choice, but I found martha's abortion question (Should women seeking an abortion be afraid of a Romney administration? Or something like that) a teensy bit biased. How come she didn't ask Biden: Should the unborn be afraid of a second Obama administration?

Bleach Drinkers Curing Coronavirus Together বলেছেন...

What's the matter, Machos? Your astounding knowledge of case law and other associated trivialities mean that you are going to embrace Todd Akin?

Tell us about how awesome Todd Akin is for the Republican party. There are many like him.

cubanbob বলেছেন...

O Ritmo Segundo said...
Ritmo. Educate us on Ryan's mathematical lapse. Use math.

Can't do it. I'm missing the part of the brain that says that a tax cut is a form of revenue increase.

Only Republicans have that. And their record on where it's gotten them is plain for everyone to see.

10/11/12 10:34 PM

Your right, you are missing a part of the brain, a faulty brain that conflates a rate reduction with a tax cut. But then again progressives aren't known for having fully functioning brains.

Seeing Red বলেছেন...

--Only Republicans have that. And their record on where it's gotten them is plain for everyone to see.-

The greatest bull market in history.

I'm so happy I was of the age to take advantage of it, making in the upper $20ks.

Known Unknown বলেছেন...

tax cut is a form of revenue increase.

If JFK were alive, you could ask him all about it.

Michael বলেছেন...

Ritmo. No, you simply cant back up your assertion about Ryan's math. You dodge poorly but tellingly.

Seeing Red বলেছেন...

Ritmo, while the wymmin consider kissing rape, it's not. And most abortions aren't because of rape, unless you actually consider having sex is rape......


Oh, wait..............

Bleach Drinkers Curing Coronavirus Together বলেছেন...

Hey Bob from Cuba - ! Good to see you!

Tell me about the Republican record over the last 30 years on budget balancing and non-deficit spending. I'm trying to see how people like you define something called "credibility".

Thanks -

cubanbob বলেছেন...

AReasonableMan said...
Ann Althouse said...
He was downright unethical.

It was unethical to call BS on Ryan's BS?

10/11/12 10:33 PM

Everything Biden said including the ands and buts and the the is a lie. A reasonable man would know that but then again a reasonable man you ain't.

Known Unknown বলেছেন...

Your astounding knowledge of case law and other associated trivialities mean that you are going to embrace Todd Akin?

Careful, we almost ran over a SQUIRREL.

The rule of Lemnity বলেছেন...

I found it hard to listen to anything, he was so disruptive. What a jackass!

He only following orders.

Known Unknown বলেছেন...

Tell me about the Republican record over the last 30 years on budget balancing and non-deficit spending. I'm trying to see how people like you define something called "credibility".

Slightly better than the Democrats.

Bleach Drinkers Curing Coronavirus Together বলেছেন...

Geez Michael. Maybe if I lied instead (as long as I did it "well") you could compare me favorably to the great Mane from Bane - MITTENS ROMNEY!

cubanbob বলেছেন...

O Ritmo Segundo said...
Hey Bob from Cuba - ! Good to see you!

Tell me about the Republican record over the last 30 years on budget balancing and non-deficit spending. I'm trying to see how people like you define something called "credibility".

Thanks -

10/11/12 10:40 PM

Give the republicans a bullet proof congress like Zero had and what and see a balanced budget.

AlanKH বলেছেন...

Van Jones was there? They couldn't find Tony Rezko? Does CNN even TRY to pretend to look like a professional news organization?

Reading the running commentary, I kept waiting for Biden to start harping about the Strawberry Incident.

Blue@9 বলেছেন...

Inga:

"I agree, Biden was a dick, but he said what he needed to say to energize the base."

I agree, and I think Biden was over-the-top for that very purpose. Unfortunately, it's bad news for Democrats that Obama has to fire up his base at this point in the campaign. Romney is staking centrist ground because he has his base locked up. (Democrats are making a big deal about this, but it's par for the course for Presidential contenders: they're always more partisan/purist during the primaries, and then they moderate in order to appeal to undecideds and crossovers.) Romney can do this comfortably now, but Obama is sending out Biden to fire up the base because they're fucking depressed.

cubanbob বলেছেন...

Seeing Red said...
--Only Republicans have that. And their record on where it's gotten them is plain for everyone to see.-

The greatest bull market in history.

I'm so happy I was of the age to take advantage of it, making in the upper $20ks.


10/11/12 10:38 PM

A bull market that is going to crash the moment interest rates rise and money pulls out of the market. Bail out while you can.

Bleach Drinkers Curing Coronavirus Together বলেছেন...

Give the republicans a bullet proof congress like Zero had and what and see a balanced budget.

It must take some heavy indoctrination in a third world dictatorship like Cuba to cause one to believe that Democrats made Republicans unbalance the budget from 2000 - 2006.

Shouting Thomas বলেছেন...

You are a practiced, total liar, Ritmo.

You use the same boring tactic every time you post. You fantasize the most evil motives possible, and foist those on your opponent.

Then you proceed to beat to death the evil monster you've imagined.

If I had to guess, I'd assume you employ these tactics because you have the evil motives you attribute to others.

In other words, you are a compulsive, bitter liar. Every time you post.

You're one of the most foul liars I've ever encountered.

Known Unknown বলেছেন...

Tell me about the Republican record over the last 30 years on budget balancing and non-deficit spending. I'm trying to see how people like you define something called "credibility".

Also, Ritmo should look more closely at Governorships rather than the federal record.

Washington screws most everyone up. It's an insulated society that turns politicians of all stripes into club members who become addicted to the DC circuit. Let's just say it's not a 'reality-based' community.

McTriumph বলেছেন...

Joe Biden looked like a electric car salesman on crack.

CNN poll, Ryan wins debate.

cubanbob বলেছেন...

O Ritmo Segundo said...
What's the matter, Machos? Your astounding knowledge of case law and other associated trivialities mean that you are going to embrace Todd Akin?

Tell us about how awesome Todd Akin is for the Republican party. There are many like him.

10/11/12 10:37 PM

Tell us about his democrat opponent whose husband has made forty million in sweetheart government contracts. Talk about raping the taxpayers.........

The rule of Lemnity বলেছেন...

There was a point Ryan was trying to make about taxes that even Jack Kennedy (said Ryan) agreed with.. but (once again) Biden interrupted to try to make a "you are no jack Kennedy" jab but instead he mocked "now he is Jack Kennedy?"...

Biden was totally disrespectful.

Beloved Commenter AReasonableMan বলেছেন...

cubanbob said...

Give the republicans a bullet proof congress like Zero had and what and see a balanced budget.


What about the first six years of Bush's presidency?

নামহীন বলেছেন...

Sorry, but Biden was just so off-putting from the beginning that it was a real struggle to watch. He was downright unethical. I found it hard to listen to anything, he was so disruptive. What a jackass!

Althouse: I agree. But I think it played to the Dem base and to swing voters who can be reassured by snappy, vigorous responses.

This debate was close to the best that Biden could do and it worked good enough.

Nathan Alexander বলেছেন...

AReasonableMan,
you said:
It is hard to believe you are serious. On who's watch did the financial meltdown occur? The worst financial crisis since the great depression. It is the achievement for which Bush will be most remembered in the history books.

I really hope you aren't stupid enough to believe this.

On who's watch did the financial meltdown occur?

"on his watch" is the last refuge of fools and liars.

You have to look at who did what.

And Obama voted for the policies that created the meltdown.

Obama helped create the meltdown he claimed he only inherited.


Here's the chart with the proof:
http://pjmedia.com/instapundit/153013/

Explain the deficit trends.
What happened in 2006 that caused the deficits to suddenly reverse their declining trend and get worse?

Was it Republican policies or Democrat policies?

Hint: Democrats were in control of both houses of Congress, i.e., had control of spending and regulations.

What was the state of the US economy in 2005?

As good as Clinton's best economy. Full employment. No inflation. Low energy prices.

But Democrat policies ruined it.

George W. Bush's only fault was not vetoing the ruinous Democrat policies.

The only way you can blame Bush is if you are arguing that no one should ever elect a Democrat to office ever again.

You have the truth. You have the chart that shows the deficits.

If you repeat bullshit like this again, you are a witting liar and fool.

Bleach Drinkers Curing Coronavirus Together বলেছেন...

You're one of the most foul liars I've ever encountered.

Someone far more intelligent than Shouting Two-bits had a great response to bullshit like this.

Seven Machos বলেছেন...

...Ritmo has moved onto some Senate candidate in a state where I don't live and he likely does not, either.

Awesome. I win in a rout.

President Romney. January 2013. Book it. Suck it.

cubanbob বলেছেন...

O Ritmo Segundo said...
Give the republicans a bullet proof congress like Zero had and what and see a balanced budget.

It must take some heavy indoctrination in a third world dictatorship like Cuba to cause one to believe that Democrats made Republicans unbalance the budget from 2000 - 2006.

10/11/12 10:44 PM

Hmm Bush inherited a recession, a major attack on the US and yet managed to have annual deficits that are equal to Zero's monthly deficits. You are proof that the first honest Brazilian has yet to be born.

Beloved Commenter AReasonableMan বলেছেন...

cubanbob said...
Tell us about his democrat opponent whose husband has made forty million in sweetheart government contracts. Talk about raping the taxpayers.........


So I guess you voted against Dick Cheney?

Seeing Red বলেছেন...

Unbalance a budget that wasn't balanced?


LOLOLOLOLOL

No, just remembering history.

Irrational exhuberance. LOLOLOL

elyse বলেছেন...

Biden made Ryan looks like a little boy. Ryan had no answers that stuck.

cubanbob বলেছেন...

AReasonableMan said...
cubanbob said...

Give the republicans a bullet proof congress like Zero had and what and see a balanced budget.

What about the first six years of Bush's presidency?

10/11/12 10:46 PM

In the alternative universe you live in that might be true but in the universe the rest of us live in there never was a time Bush had a filibuster proof senate. Try harder.

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Blue@9, you're probably right, the base should not need to be excited at this late date. Obama caved in one too many times to Republicans, he lost a good portion of his base. It's anyone's guess if by November 6th he can win them back in great enough numbers to win.

He has to continue to speak strongly to women and Latinos. The economy is actually most important, the 47% are still
pissed off.

My issue is one of trust, but that's just me, I don't trust either candidate.

Bleach Drinkers Curing Coronavirus Together বলেছেন...

President Romney. January 2013. Book it. Suck it.

Sounds rather disgusting.

But if anyone's looking for a huge dick to suck they could simply look for the one that's shaped like Seven Machos' head.

Seven Machos বলেছেন...

Dick Cheney is almost as old as Germany. Yet Dick Cheney is not 2,000 years old.

How can this be, Reasonable?

It's a riddle. You'll have to visit beautiful, economically vivacious, united, uniform "Europe" to find out.

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Nathan Alexander said...
On who's watch did the financial meltdown occur?

"on his watch" is the last refuge of fools and liars.


So you are now calling Harry S. Truman a fool and a liar?

The buck doesn't stop here any longer on the Republican watch apparently.

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And now Ritmo has moved to oral sex with me. Fascinating.

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I'll allow all and sundry determine how OT this is:

Ya know that jobless claims report that came out today that was so good?

They didn't include CA!

Isn't CA, like, our most populous state or something?

Bleach Drinkers Curing Coronavirus Together বলেছেন...

Oh yeah! That recession in 2000 just dwarfs the big nothing that never occurred in 2008. It was huge. Massive. An economic calamity. The very reason for the hundreds of billions in deficit spending that immediately began afterward.

So says the guy from Cuba.

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O Ritmo Segundo said...
But if anyone's looking for a huge dick to suck they could simply look for the one that's shaped like Seven Machos' head.


Given the fiasco with his sex change operation I really feel that this is in poor taste.

Bleach Drinkers Curing Coronavirus Together বলেছেন...

"...oral sex with me. Fascinating."

To you of course, something this repulsive would be exactly that.

But I just think it's funny the way your neck terminates in something that resembles a humongous dick.

God messed up and put something on top of your shoulders that he should have put between your legs. Very sad.

Seeing Red বলেছেন...

Progs just can't help themselves, it's always about sex.

Unknown বলেছেন...

We should be grateful that Biden didn't bite off Ryan's ear.

Seven Machos বলেছেন...

I don't think oral sex with me is repulsive at all. You should probably jump to the next topic frenetically.

Biden...economy...abortion...some candidate named Todd Akin...oral sex with me...

Looking forward to whatever is next, dude!

Bleach Drinkers Curing Coronavirus Together বলেছেন...

Progs just can't help themselves, it's always about sex.

Only you seem to find Seven Machos' dick-headedishness as sexual, Seeing Red.

Why is that?

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