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Live-blogging the big VP debate.

6:45 Central Time: Get ready!

7:18: "Paul Ryan's very attractive to a lot of women," opines David Gergen on the CNN pre-show. I have the DVR set to play the debate on CNN, but I'm thinking of changing because they're going to display focus group reactions on screen — colored lines — through the whole thing. I want to form my own opinion!

7:47: CNN commentators are finding a hundred different ways to say that the debate will be affected by having the candidates sitting and physically close together. Somehow, it will be harder to fight, at least in a personal way.

8:03: Game on. First question is about Libya and the absence of protests. Biden goes first, not focusing on the question asked, the massive failure of intelligence. Ryan takes notes.

8:06: Biden talks about tracking down terrorists to the "gates of Hell," as Ryan smiles. Ryan immediately attacks the President for blaming the YouTube video. We should have had a Marine detachment protecting Chris Stevens. We've been "projecting weakness abroad." We're witnessing "the unraveling of Obama foreign policy."

8:09: Biden is being rude, laughing and mouthing words.  And Ryan is talking about serious national security matters. Biden mutters an interruption. When Biden is given a turn, he calls what Ryan said "malarky." Biden stutters and falters and has to say "uh" about 5 times before he can come up with the word "Iran."

8:12: "We weren't told they wanted more security," Biden says, and now it's Ryan who laughs — a little scoff.

8:13: Should the U.S. apologize? Ryan says "yes" re urinating on Korans — which the moderator (Raddatz) mentioned — but not "for standing up for our values."

8:15: Ryan is speaking earnestly about preventing Iran from getting nuclear weapons, and Biden is chuckling toothily, his body shaking like Santa Claus. Biden says if Republicans had had control of the sanctions, the rest of the world wouldn't have followed us. These were "the most crippling sanctions." Biden goes on and on assuring us that Iran is far from being able to deliver a nuclear bomb. He accuses the Republicans of "loose talk."

8:19: Biden talks to "Bibi" all the time and so does Obama. What Ryan says is "a bunch of stuff." When Ryan speaks, Biden is laughing clownishly again. It looks just awful. Ryan isn't rattled by it. I think he knows Biden looks foolish.

8:23: Biden is acting as though he cannot physically tolerate Ryan having a turn to speak!

8:25: Economics. Biden grabs the opportunity to push the 47% theme. He's "had it up to here," he says, with wealthy people not paying their fair share.  He sounds really cranky and angry. Ryan: "Joe and I are from similar towns." And in Janesville, his home town, unemployment has gone from 8.5% to 10%. Biden busts out another big grin.

8:29: "The Vice President very well knows that the words don't always come out the right way," Ryan says, getting a laugh, defending Romney from the 47% charge. Instead of taking this graciously, Biden mutters something about how he believes everything he says. Ryan tells some stories about Romney's charity toward the unfortunate, which includes someone that was in a car accident, and Biden takes the opportunity to remind us that his own wife died in a car crash, which is sad, but oddly misplaced.

8:33: Ryan talks about "green pork" in the stimulus, and Biden gets all cranked up about how Ryan sought stimulus money for his district. Biden continually interrupts Ryan in a way I find incredibly annoying.

8:36: While Ryan is talking about Medicare helping his mother and grandmother, Biden sighs long and loud. Sighing! Remember when Gore got in no end of trouble for sighing? How can Biden not know that?!

8:39: "They got caught with their hands in the cookie jar, turning Medicare into a piggy bank for Obamacare," says Ryan. Biden interrupts. Ryan says: "Mr. Vice President, I know you're under a lot of duress to make up for lost ground, but I think everyone will be better served if we don't keep interrupting each other." I love the politeness of "if we don't keep" — we — when Biden has been an interruption machine and Ryan has barely interrupted and only occasionally has talked over to keep from losing his turn. The moderator, Martha Raddatz has done nothing at all to control Biden, who is, I think, hurting himself. Biden says: "Well, don't take all 4 minutes then." He should have said, "All right" or something reasonably conciliatory.

8:51: The stress level is rising. Biden is so angry. Why is he yelling? Ryan needs nerves of steel not to lose his cool. I'm impressed that Ryan, when he gets his turn, is able to speak in an even, natural voice. It's hard to concentrate on the policy itself, because the emotional static is so strong.

9:11: Biden has been yelling at Martha Raddatz for the last 15 minutes (as the subject is war). It's so inappropriate!

9:21: They're asked to talk about how their Catholicism has informed their position on abortion. Ryan isn't pro-life "simply because of" his Catholicism. It's also about science and reason. He talks of seeing his bean-shaped unborn child on a sonogram. Biden says "My religion informs who I am." He accepts the Catholic position on abortion that life begins at conception, but he refuses to impose that on others.

9:27: The last question is about negative campaigning. Biden rambles. Paul Ryan attributes the negativity to Obama's failures: he has nothing to run on.

9:34: Wait. That wasn't the last question. There's a question about character: What do you bring as a man? Nothing particularly interesting was extracted by that question.

9:35: Now, closing statements.

9:48: That debate was so annoying! Some of the CNN commentators are talking about how Biden did what he came to do, to fire up the Democrats. "This was not for the independents," says Van Jones. Okay, well, but independents were watching, and Biden was horribly rude. He created this disturbing atmosphere of anxiety.

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Nora বলেছেন...

Oh no! Did I hear correctly? We [Obama and Co] are asking Saudis whom to support in Syria?

Tim বলেছেন...

Not watching the debate, but I am reading these comments.

Inga's the outlier. Clearly the crowd thinks Biden is losing, badly...while Inga wants to email Biden a blow job.

Yuck.

Freeman Hunt বলেছেন...

How is Biden playing to moderates? Based on Facebook, he's lighting up his base. Is the aggressive thing working with moderates like it is for the base or is it putting the moderates off?

Shouting Thomas বলেছেন...

Ryan's a little to proud of his egghead status.

He needs to learn to speak a little more folksy.

caplight45 বলেছেন...

Your probably right Macho. Sad thing is Joe is just being Joe. He;s always been a buffoon.

David বলেছেন...

Given up commenting, haven't you Althouse.

Can't say I blame you.

Christopher বলেছেন...

The fact that Allie of all people thinks Biden needs to calm down tells me all I need to know about how this is going to play in the media.

jr565 বলেছেন...

Inga wrote:

Let the Afghans take care of themselves! We are done there.

so then why wait till 2014? Clearly we are not done there.

bob বলেছেন...

maybe after msnbc hammered obama so hard for being passive, biden decided to do his best impression of chris matthews. it's not bad.

ALH বলেছেন...

Ironically, Biden seems better on defending his shitty domestic policy then he is on his shitty foreign policy.

gadfly বলেছেন...

First Biden got his tongue tied. He said Syria was five times the geographic area of Afghanistan. He meant Libya and nobody was talking about Libya.

David বলেছেন...

Ryan isn't explaining what he and Romney would do differently in Syria. Joe is angry.

I'm Full of Soup বলেছেন...

I am listening to Ryan respond to Biden's ultra-defensive defense of the admin's policy on Syria and am so impressed Ryan is answering so thoughtfully and reasonably. HTF can anyone NOT vote for Romney & Ryan against the two dopes Obama and Biden?

NoraCharles বলেছেন...

How long has Biden been preparing for this debate? Ryan is so impressive. Quick on his feet and in complete control of his emotions.

Almost Ali বলেছেন...

And another thing, who in their right mind would have - and keep - Joe Biden.

David বলেছেন...

Smirk!!!!!

Freeman Hunt বলেছেন...

One guy seems like a fiery, politicking senator, the other guy seems like a cool-headed executive, you know like a vice president or something.

Cedarford বলেছেন...

cubanbob said...
Biden lies so shamelessly. Ryan should just tell him to shut the fuck up and stop butting in. And Raddatz is obviously in the tank for Biden.

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I think Ryan is just letting Joe run as an obnoxious bloviating jackass...I think his interruptions and constant shit eating grin of mockery are not going over with the public.

Last time someone gave me a shit eating grin of spite like that, I smiled back and sucker punched him.
I was 28. Now I would just let the guy grin away and make a total case to the public he is an asshole.

As for Martha - definitely leans Democrat.
But Biden is so out of control obnoxious and disrespectful of her questioning being allowed to get an answer...that even she is looking annoyed at his buffoonary.

Biden calling Radditch a liar probably didn't help.

Alex বলেছেন...

Ryan has done 9 90minute prep sessions for this. Of course he's doing well.

নামহীন বলেছেন...

Biden sure is snippy isn't he?

Tim বলেছেন...

"Is the aggressive thing working with moderates like it is for the base or is it putting the moderates off?"

Althouse Lesson #1: Only conservatives are penalized for being aggressive. Liberal Democrats? Free pass. Especially if it concerns race, gender, or sexual orientation.

Nora বলেছেন...

More of the same: Saudis advise on who are "free forces" in Syria, according to Biden. What teh heck? Since when Saudis are champions of freedom and democracy in the Middle East?

john বলেছেন...

I think that if I were listening to this on radio instead of watching it, I would conclude that Biden is a good debator and that the debate is close, if not in Biden's favor.

But I'm watching, and Biden is incredibly off-puting.

but I am a robot বলেছেন...

Did you guys know there's a soundtrack to Biden's portion of the debate?

Alex বলেছেন...

What must liberals do to not be toxic & repulsive to Althouse?

wyo sis বলেছেন...

Ryan Score!

Tyrone Slothrop বলেছেন...

Raddatz tries to cut Ryan off again.

edutcher বলেছেন...

Interesting to watch the look on Joe's face when Martha asks Ryan what happens if Assad doesn't fall.

As if the thought never entered his head.

Which it probably hasn't.

Kelly বলেছেন...

I had to stop watching. My husband, who isn't big into politics, just came out and said he didn't think he could take much more because (and I quote), Biden is acting like a fucking dick. He wanted to know who that bitch (the moderator, presumably) is. I filled him in on her background, he wasn't surprised.

LoafingOaf বলেছেন...

I'm not familiar with this moderator. She's kinda creepy and looks like she's about to cry.

Tim বলেছেন...

Almost Ali said...


"And another thing, who in their right mind would have - and keep - Joe Biden."

Obama's first executive decision.

As Charlie Sheen would say, "Winning."

নামহীন বলেছেন...

Ahhhh the abortion question..

I wonder if Biden will admit that he himself was aborted.

Ryan obviously prepared for this.

Alex বলেছেন...

Ryan hedging on whether Romney admin would intervene on a strict humanitarian basis.

Shouting Thomas বলেছেন...

Will either candidate address the rights of fathers in their children?

LoafingOaf বলেছেন...

Ryan's answering this abortion question very well!

Tim বলেছেন...

Alex said...

"What must liberals do to not be toxic & repulsive to Althouse?"

Nothing.

Nothing at all.

Banzel বলেছেন...

Syria is five times as large, geographically, as Libya, says Biden as he proclaims "the facts."

But Libya is 679,000 sq miles with 1.8 million people (about the area of Alaska, with three times the population). Syria is 71,500 sq miles with 2.5 million people (about the size of Washington state, with about 40% of the population).

নামহীন বলেছেন...

DT: "Losing control"?? You're watching a different debate than me. Biden is in complete control - with some help from the moderator. Respectfully, I believe you were pretty convinced Obama was doing well last week - and wrong. Biden has won this handily. No big switch in polls tho.

wyo sis বলেছেন...

Another score for Ryan.

bagoh20 বলেছেন...

Joe Biden is actually what people imagined John McCain to be so that they could vote for Obama....and Joe Biden. That's tripping me out.

Tyrone Slothrop বলেছেন...

Freeman Hunt said...

How is Biden playing to moderates? Based on Facebook, he's lighting up his base. Is the aggressive thing working with moderates like it is for the base or is it putting the moderates off?



Ask Althouse-- she's the expert on how moderates think. For some reason, only Republicans are capable of offending moderates.

Banzel বলেছেন...

Syria is five times as large, geographically, as Libya, says Biden, as he proclaims "the facts."

Libya is 679,000 sq miles with 1.8 million people (about the area of Alaska, with three times the population). Syria is 71,500 sq miles with 2.5 million people (about the size of Washington state, with about 40% of the population).

David বলেছেন...

Nobody on either side has the guts to say we might take military action in Syria. But Biden is looking better on this one. Mainly because R&R are criticizing without an alternative. Of course Obama has no solution either.Fail on both sides.

B বলেছেন...

I think I'm going to pray for Barack Obama's health and well being until at best Jan 2013 and at worst Jan 2017. Because I do not want this jackass anywhere near the nuclear football.

Tim বলেছেন...

Gotta go.

Shopping.

Hope this is done by the time I return.

Lyssa বলেছেন...

The absolute last thing I care about when it comes to abortion policy is what someone's personal religion says abou it. Could we get more irrelevant? Thanks to Ryan for switching to the oh-so-obvious science.

edutcher বলেছেন...

Since Joe is so proud of our Arab allies, Ryan ought to ask him why he and Zero prefer them to our own intel people.

Especially since they saw the Libya attacks coming.

নামহীন বলেছেন...

Personhood laws, will Romney sign? With all the flip flopping, really who knows?

David বলেছেন...

Abortion is between the woman their doctor and the Supreme Court? Have they a clinic down there?

wyo sis বলেছেন...

Sudden lowering of tone and reverence from Biden as he talks about government and religion as if they are the same thing.

virgil xenophon বলেছেন...

Pastaman, you're making the mistake of thinking factually again--a trait Biden is obviously unencumbered with..

cubanbob বলেছেন...

Joe is such a Catholic (as he says) that he thinks the taxpayers should fund abortions.

Unknown বলেছেন...

The day that American foreign policy is based on humanitarian interest is the day of, well, nonsense. We don't operate foreign policy on the base of feelings. We engage in foreign policy on the base of national interest. Humanitarian interest is bullshit policy wanking.

নামহীন বলেছেন...

So the answer is YES, be worried.

Known Unknown বলেছেন...

Inga doesn't give a shit about Tel Aviv.

নামহীন বলেছেন...

BIDEN JUST DESTROYED RYAN, WITH THE ABORTION RESPONSE.

BIDEN WILL BE THE TOAST OF THE MSM TONIGHT.

The rule of Lemnity বলেছেন...

Ryan just lost Althouse.

wyo sis বলেছেন...

OMG
The court!
This works against the Obama administration. Strange that Biden brings that up.

Seeing Red বলেছেন...

VODKAPUNDIT: 7:19PM Biden is flat-out lying about the contraception mandate. Big fat hairy lie.

Alex বলেছেন...

Kagan & Sotomayer had no agenda.

Freeman Hunt বলেছেন...

The moderator seems fine to me.

cubanbob বলেছেন...

Being the Catholic the he claims to be, what does Joe have against a good Catholic like Scalia?

Progressively Defensive বলেছেন...

I think Biden is doing well actually. But it feels like 2-1, Biden and Raddatz v. Ryan. She wans the NPR foreign affairs reporter. What!?!?

Is Ryan going to point out that the middle class suffered worst under Obama.

"What are you Kennedy, now?" Raddatz should have quieted him. Raddatz is letting Biden interrupt and Ryan is not interrupting back.

Freeman Hunt বলেছেন...

The "open mind," "no agenda" comment about the justices was the first laugh out loud moment for me.

bob বলেছেন...

yelling at the moderator: I guess there is a war on women after all. (no wonder she invited obama to her wedding and not biden.)

Cedarford বলেছেন...

After the 1st 45 minutes, Biden seemed to be realizing that he was close to being out of control enough that undecided voters might have concerns about his mental fitness.
He seems to have toned it down.
The damage might have been done though....not a few voters in the independent ranks thought Sarah Palin was unfit to step in if something happened to the President.

Joe Biden might have awoken a similar unease.

David বলেছেন...

We are now in bullshit territory in the final answers. Biden does good bullshit.

the co-owner বলেছেন...

I think Joe's meds are starting to kick in.

Methadras বলেছেন...

This will give zero bounce to Urkel. Next Romney debate will widen the gap. Ryan shoved joes shit back in his mouth.

john বলেছেন...

I liked Martha too. I guess I didn't have many expectations that way.

Yes, I think our hostess is now filling out her early voting card. Straight ticket, D.

Methadras বলেছেন...

Meandering doddering fool known as Joe Bidden. What a putz.

TWM বলেছেন...

In the end only the faithful will think Biden won this. Inga, garage, shiloh and people like them. But Biden was an ass and Ryan did pretty well considering he had to debate both the moderator and him. Next week will tell.

Green বলেছেন...

So ... Bidets answe to how do you answer negative campaigning is ... Go heavily negative.

wyo sis বলেছেন...

Exactly!
Who is going negative. Sanctimonious BS from Biden.

bagoh20 বলেছেন...

"The moderator seems fine to me."

Did you just see her prevent Ryan from responding when he asked to? She has been cutting him off like that all night and challenging Ryan on many more answers than she has to Biden, which I think she did only three times.

Amartel বলেছেন...

Biden is an angry clown. He is everything that people hate about politics and politicians.

Lyssa বলেছেন...

I hate these stupid questions about "tone" or "negativity" in campaigns. Every campaign is said to be the worst ever; they always say it's getting worse. It's not - campaigning has always been nasty business and it always will be.

ALH বলেছেন...

Ryan finally laid the fact hammer down with a litany of Obamas broken promises.

wyo sis বলেছেন...

Ryan is impressive.

LilyBart বলেছেন...

The moderator seems fine to me.

Seriously?
Dude, are you watching the same debate as I am? Likely not.

Progressively Defensive বলেছেন...

Raddatz is horrible! She's in the tank ... for McGovern. Is she Nader in drag or something?

Ryan is not trashing the Obama record while both Biden and Raddatz are trashing Romney and Ryan for imaginary programs.

john বলেছেন...

Waterbag -

I noticed those, I just didn't think it was a big deal, at least compared to all the interuptions Biden made.

Which will end up helping Ryan.

নামহীন বলেছেন...

BIDEN IS SO GOOD THAT OBAMA IS THINKING OF BEING THE VP IN NEXT TERM.

Methadras বলেছেন...

kicking out children from college and schools. Waffles!!!

edutcher বলেছেন...

Joe talks about the government's sacred obligation - singular.

Whatever happened to protecting constitutional rights and privileges?

Oh, yeah, those don't count.

The Constitution is a living document and the Demos have been trying to kill it for a hundred years.

LoafingOaf বলেছেন...

At least Biden isn't grinning and laughing as much in the last half hour.

Portia বলেছেন...

Joe almost didn't interrupt,but he couldn't help himself.

SukieTawdry বলেছেন...

The highest paid player in baseball is a useless fucking POS. So, how are things going over here??

নামহীন বলেছেন...

Two wars on a credit card. Own it.

wyo sis বলেছেন...

Go Ryan!

Ambrose বলেছেন...

How come Biden gets the last word on every question - even when he goes first?

ALH বলেছেন...

Strong closing by Ryan.

NoraCharles বলেছেন...

Biden's meds must have kicked in. He's finely simmered down.

The rule of Lemnity বলেছেন...

Biden projects the bad things Romney might do... but Ryan LISTS the terrible things Obama HAS done!

নামহীন বলেছেন...

Working with Democrats, riiiighhht.

Methadras বলেছেন...

Biden, time whiner.

wyo sis বলেছেন...

Typical Raddatz crap question.

ALH বলেছেন...

After blustering all fucking night, Joe complains about not getting enough time and Radatz looks like shes going to bawl.

Methadras বলেছেন...

Yeah, Biden, we've heard what you'd do. Scumbag.

Lyssa বলেছেন...

Finally, Ryan decides to insist on getting a turn to talk.

Oh, wait, I spoke too soon. Sigh

The rule of Lemnity বলেছেন...

Two coin toss losses.

furious_a বলেছেন...

Biden: "We will leave in 2014."

Taliban: "Thank you, we'll wait 'till 2014+1 day to resume our offensive."

john বলেছেন...

Great ending Biden - Blame Bush!

Seeing Red বলেছেন...

--Two wars on a credit card. Own it.--

1500 year old war - no choice.


bagoh20 বলেছেন...

Inga, All wars are waged on credit. And yes, we do all own it. The thing is, we now do everything on credit, during war or peace.

Pastafarian বলেছেন...

That was a brutal act of sodomy, not a debate. Joe will be walking funny for a week.

edutcher বলেছেন...

Seems like they told Ryan, "Just let Joe be Joe. Let him hang himself".

Which he pretty much did.

Be interesting to see if the ratings tanked before Joe stopped smirking and laughing.

If so, another bad night for the Demos.

Gahrie বলেছেন...

How come Biden gets the last word on every question - even when he goes first?

Because Martha has been deferential to Biden and confrontational with Ryan all night.

Freeman Hunt বলেছেন...

Did you just see her prevent Ryan from responding when he asked to?

Do don't ask. Biden certainly hasn't been asking. He's been pretty wild. Now he's been soothed. In the audience somewhere, someone is swinging a watch.

jr565 বলেছেন...

Joe has blustered himself hoarse.
And spoke about five true words his entire time.

_Jim বলেছেন...


Inga said...

"Two wars on a credit card. Own it."

ALREADY PAID FOR ditz ... geez ...

Methadras বলেছেন...

Lol, the 47% for Bidens mom and dad. What a douche.

Almost Ali বলেছেন...

Listening to Biden is actually painful. He shoulda packed it in years ago.

cubanbob বলেছেন...

Biden keeps yammering about Wall Street while ignoring the fact that Wall Street is mostly democrat. Too bad Ryan hasn't commented on the fact that no poor person has ever signed a paycheck.

Freeman Hunt বলেছেন...

Oops. Was supposed to be "So don't ask."

wyo sis বলেছেন...

Ryan future looking.
Biden "It's Bush...It's Bush."

Lyssa বলেছেন...

Freeman, you missed a lot by coming in late, believe me.

নামহীন বলেছেন...

Malarkey.

Dante বলেছেন...

I love the CNN clock. Biden says give me more time, when he has taken more time.

ALH বলেছেন...

nonsensical platitudinous closing from Biden.

Freeman Hunt বলেছেন...

Freeman, you missed a lot by coming in late, believe me.

I'm sure you're right.

The rule of Lemnity বলেছেন...

Nice closing!

DADvocate বলেছেন...

Thank God, that she asked about abortion. There's nothing more important than a woman's right to kill her unborn child, except, maybe, the government pay for her birth control pills.

Seeing Red বলেছেন...

Yes, Inga, Biden is full of malarkey.

Indigo Red বলেছেন...

Biden talk time: 41:32

Ryan talk time: 40:11

Freeman Hunt বলেছেন...

nonsensical platitudinous closing from Biden.

Okay, so it wasn't just me.

_Jim বলেছেন...



Ditz doesn't know economics ...

David বলেছেন...

Biden is going to level something. And it's going to be all right. Hussah!

Nice summary for Ryan.

Steve Austin বলেছেন...

Agree with Cedarford.....not sure how Biden is playing with independents but he sounds like an MSNBC host most of the night. Unhinged.

নামহীন বলেছেন...

BIDEN'S CLOSING STATEMENT WAS A GRAND-SLAM.

IT IS OVER FOR RYAN. HE IS GOING TO WET HIS BED.

LoafingOaf বলেছেন...

LOL Drudge just has a huge pic of Biden's teeth.

Gahrie বলেছেন...

Working with Democrats, riiiighhht.

You apparently haven't been paying attention. The Republican Party has been Charlie Brown to the Democratic Party's Lucy for the last fifty years. Every time the Democrats promise to cooperate, and every time the Democrats pull the football away.

NoraCharles বলেছেন...

And now the spin begins.

Emil Blatz বলেছেন...

Biden is such an asshole. I'm confident this was at worst a draw, and a draw that doesn't cut a lot of ice with undecideds, or at best a significant Ryan win that moves the needle in the polls emerging in the next week.

নামহীন বলেছেন...

Please,dear God, preserve and protect President Obama. If any thing happens to him, we are in the hands of of his VP, a smirking dolt.

john বলেছেন...

No the real test - who stays on stage longer.

Dear corrupt left, go F yourselves বলেছেন...

Yeah Inga - and 3+ years of Obama-Pelosi out of control spending makes the 2 wars seem like pocket change. Or are you unaware of obama's 5 trillion in added debt?
Wasted Stimulus? Our money - gone.
All the faux solar companies that got millions upon millions of tax payer dollars and it all went up in smoke because Obama's donors pocketed our money.

jr565 বলেছেন...

Inga wrote:

Two wars on a credit card. Own it.

we, Inga didn't Obama escalate in Afghanistan? Why doesn't he have to own that?

furious_a বলেছেন...

"Two wars on a credit card. Own it."

$800B stimulus and serial $1T+ deficits on the credit card. Own it.

Oso Negro বলেছেন...

Fuck the traditional media. I want a new media moderated debate in 2016. I want Ann Althouse as the moderator!

virgil xenophon বলেছেন...

CNN says it's a draw. The push goes to the Elephants! Biden HAD to dominate w. a clear win to change the trajectory of the campaign--on to the next debate..

নামহীন বলেছেন...

Biden reminds me much of our liberal trolls: garage, shiloh, Inga et al., who constantly inject one-liners and emotional heat into the debate with little good faith effort to discuss the issues.

নামহীন বলেছেন...

Well DT Ryan closed better. Not such a blow out as I thought - Regards -

The rule of Lemnity বলেছেন...

Ryan killed!

john বলেছেন...

# kids on stage. This will determine the real winner.

Ryan

নামহীন বলেছেন...

Ryan lost it on abortion.

jr565 বলেছেন...

Inga,
Solyndra and all the non existent green jobs, record unemplyment, lack of recovery for 53 months. Own it.

Seeing Red বলেছেন...

We're ugly, but they're very angry.

wyo sis বলেছেন...

It'll be seen as a draw, but Biden behaved like an ass.

furious_a বলেছেন...

"Two wars on a credit card. Own it."

$800B stimulus and serial $1T+ deficits on the
credit card. Own it.

john বলেছেন...

Inga -

Ryan only lost one vote on abortion. We know who, and it's not you.

Known Unknown বলেছেন...

Two wars on a credit card. Own it.


As if wars are pre-planned and budgeted.

Your boyfriend helped fund them!

নামহীন বলেছেন...

BIDEN DESTROYED RYAN.

RYAN WIL WET HIS BED.

GAIL COLLINS AND ARIANA HUFFINGTON ARE HAVING AN ORGASM AS BIDEN DESTROYED RYAN.

Seeing Red বলেছেন...

Yes, the most important thing is how women's vaginas feel.

Nothing else is important.

The rule of Lemnity বলেছেন...

Ryan lost it on abortion.

If Obama wins abortion will go up!

_Jim বলেছেন...

And that, ladies and gentleman, is why you NEVER wrestle with a pig ...

*You* get dirty and the PIG enjoys, smirks, snorts and ENJOYS it ...

Progressively Defensive বলেছেন...

Good close by Ryan.

Raddatz was a pit-bull v. Ryan; all the time.

Ryan should have pointed out Biden's plagarism history at law a school and the speech he copied from the Labor Party UK guy when he said "he says what he means."

Ryan should have attacked Obama's record. No one's working; more and more dependent; he ended welfare-work.

Ryan was weak. I like him, but he was a mousy choir boy. Biden was good; played his bad hand firmly and well.

Biden voted for Iraq!

Ahhhhhh.

I shouldn't have watched; I want to scream better answers. I should have ran, but I have all these comic books to finish.

নামহীন বলেছেন...

If Althouse would've been the moderator, she would've told Biden to "shut the fuck up", LOL.

Dear corrupt left, go F yourselves বলেছেন...

All Obama-Biden have IS abortion.

own it.

wyo sis বলেছেন...

Biden lost it BIG TIME on foreign policy.

Lyssa বলেছেন...

Ryan lost it on abortion.

Yeah, saying he saw his child's heartbeat was pretty horrible.

bob বলেছেন...

speaking of "saving GM" from bankruptcy that the obama administration always cites, uh, excuse me, they went through bankruptcy. and GM survived. which they would have done without the infusion of taxpayer dollars that was spent so the unions wouldn't have to renegotiate their contracts. why doesn't ryan or romney or someone ever point this out? it makes me want to yell like biden. but seeing what he looks like when he does, i stop.

নামহীন বলেছেন...

A liberal law professor from Madison as a moderator? No thanks Oso.

Bob Ellison বলেছেন...

I have never witnessed a more one-sided drubbing in debate format.

Dr Weevil বলেছেন...

Ryan only "lost it on abortion" if you believe the bald-faced lie by Biden that overturning Roe v Wade would be the same as banning abortion. It would only return the issue to the 50 states legislatures, and most of them would (as most of them did before Roe v Wade) continue to allow abortion, though probably not many would allow it right up to birth. Anyone else think Inga was one of the people his lie was aimed at, those too stupid to know the difference?

নামহীন বলেছেন...

BIDEN DESTROYED RYAN.

BIDEN KILLED RYAN.

BIDEN DISMEMBERED RYAN.

OBAMA TO FORMALLY REQUEST THAT HE, NOT BIDEN, SHOULD BE THE VP.

BIDEN IS TO BE ON MT. RUSHMORE.

DADvocate বলেছেন...

Biden's inappropriate smiling and smirking isn't anything new.

Titus বলেছেন...

I thought it was a good debate.

It was a draw.

Biden eye rolled and laughed too much and Ryan lied natch-he requested earmarks...sad.

tits.

Pastafarian বলেছেন...

I don't see how anyone can see this as anything but a crushing victory by Ryan. Maybe your expectations were unrealistic -- you thought Biden would actually shit his pants on stage, reach into his fouled britches, and smear his own feces on his face.

You're right, that didn't happen. I'll give Biden that.

ALH বলেছেন...

Fox Brit Hume: "cranky old man debating a polite younger man"

cubanbob বলেছেন...

bob said...
speaking of "saving GM" from bankruptcy that the obama administration always cites, uh, excuse me, they went through bankruptcy. and GM survived. which they would have done without the infusion of taxpayer dollars that was spent so the unions wouldn't have to renegotiate their contracts. why doesn't ryan or romney or someone ever point this out? it makes me want to yell like biden. but seeing what he looks like when he does, i stop.

10/11/12 9:39 PM

Now the federal judge who oversaw the plan said he has second thoughts in light of the information the government failed to disclose. Imagine that, a pissed of judge who may have the authority to undo the plan.

নামহীন বলেছেন...

No Lyssa, that was sweet, it's when he said that he believes life begins at conception signals personhood bills. That was very clear.

Michael বলেছেন...

Biden's smirking lost it

TWM বলেছেন...

Inga, if you believe anyone that was going to vote for Romney decide not to because of what Ryan said on abortion, you are nuts.

Seeing Red বলেছেন...

Didn't you hear? Romney's gonna ban tampons. There's the base.

Alex বলেছেন...

Allie/Inga/whatever the fuck your name is - nobody gives a rat's fucking ass about abortion when we've got an economy that's rat-fucking-imploding.

Do you fucking get what I'm FUCKING saying to YOU?

DADvocate বলেছেন...

Biden is such an asshole.

Well said.

নামহীন বলেছেন...

Alex, go fuck yourself.

Progressively Defensive বলেছেন...

The deficit on average '05-'08 (Bush II's last 4) was about 300B in each year. In Obama's 4 it was/is $1T on average. Two wars on a credit card; that was a deal.

Obama spent 4x as much on what? Deadbeats, no-show (or barely show) teachers, and Solyndra? Even at 4M jobs (far overstated), that stimulus spent $350,000 per stimulus job created and when that debt is paid down the jobs will bleed away so those $350,000 jobs are temporary.

Bush II looks like fiscal genius.

And the crisis was caused by Clinton deregulation and Clinton mortgage fluffing.

I Have Misplaced My Pants বলেছেন...

that he believes life begins at conception signals personhood bills. That was very clear.

Uh, what? Do you mean "clear" in the sense that he neither said nor implied any such fucking thing?

Your ability to confuse your imaginary outcomes with reality never ceases to amaze me, Inga.

Seeing Red বলেছেন...

And just what can the VP do about that, Inga? Especially if the Senate remains in Dem hands, hmmm?


Hysteria over nothing.

Beloved Commenter AReasonableMan বলেছেন...

Well that was a pretty easy win for Biden

Michael বলেছেন...

Inga. Biden is dumber than you. There is that

john বলেছেন...

Alex -

You seemed to want to say that the economy was the most important thing but all you wanted to talk about was fucking.

edutcher বলেছেন...

FWIW, both Gurgling and Blitzer say Joe blew it.

Uh. Oh.

Muns said...

A liberal law professor from Madison as a moderator? No thanks Oso.

Read the post again.

I do believe Madame La Professeur would have smacked down Joe early and often.

Dear corrupt left, go F yourselves বলেছেন...

Tonight's story: The rude creepy uncle and the in-the-tank moderator. Ryan wins.
I'm sure the blind faith leftwing base liked it. But the independents, moderates and swing voters must think Biden is an asshole. Because he is.

Beloved Commenter AReasonableMan বলেছেন...

Progressively Defensive said...

Bush II looks like fiscal genius.


If genius involves turning a budget surplus into the greatest financial meltdown since the great depression.

Known Unknown বলেছেন...

I have some liberal female friends that are tweeting that Romney/Ryan would limit access to birth control.


bob বলেছেন...

it is ironic that we're told how ruinous the cost of iraq was, how it almost destroyed our country, yet it took 8 years to spend the $800 billion that obama blew thru in a year. at least with iraq, we got rid of saddam and helped install a somewhat democratic government. with obama all we got were green jobs and shovel ready jobs. minus the shovel ready jobs. oh, and minus the green jobs.

নামহীন বলেছেন...

TWM, independents will be either happy about Ryan's stance on abortion or against it. The question is how many independents lean left as opposed to right. Well have to wait and see.

furious_a বলেছেন...

"Ryan lost it on abortion."

On some other planet. Home run on religious
liberty. Biden lied about Obamacare not coercing contraceptive coverage. Catholic hospitals are suing over this. Overturning Roe v. Wade wouldn't outlaw abortion.

David বলেছেন...

Chris Matthews has announced that Biden wiped Ryan out. Lefties everywhere are smirking with unreserved joy.

Alex বলেছেন...

I've had enough of the liberal rat fucks.

Known Unknown বলেছেন...

And just what can the VP do about that, Inga? Especially if the Senate remains in Dem hands, hmmm?

Inga seems to believe that we are electing a King.

ALH বলেছেন...

During the foreign policy questions, Biden sounded like a wanna-be tough guy trying to impress the girls with how cool he is.

নামহীন বলেছেন...

RYAN JUST WET HIS PANTS. HE WILL WET HIS BED.

BIDEN SCARED THE GOP.

ROMNEY TO NOT DO THE 2ND DEBATE. HE IS SCARED, VERY SCARED.

OBAMA/BIDEN OWN THE WH TILL JAN. 2017.

নামহীন বলেছেন...

I think Biden did his job -- with a certain number of assists from Raddatz -- to get in Ryan's face and push back hard then push back harder.

I don't think Biden made the good arguments, but he got over as a politician and that's what he needed to do.

For those who can follow arguments, Ryan had the better of the discussion, if for no other reason, because Obama's policies have largely failed.

Titus বলেছেন...

Ryan had too many canned comments and stories about specific people-I don't care about specific people.

Harriet and Tom from Erie....snooze.

Biden seemed patronizing.

Too much foreign policy though.

More domestic policy.

I don't give a shit about abortion either. Although, I loved the "bean" name for Ryan's kid. So amazing and beautiful and life affirming.

tits.

Seeing Red বলেছেন...

--I have some liberal female friends that are tweeting that Romney/Ryan would limit access to birth control---


Ask them how.

What birth control are they talking about?

Pithing the skull of the sack o' cells when it's coming down the birth canal?

wyo sis বলেছেন...

Biden is an embarrassment. What a DICK!

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