"... films it and uses that footage as retaliation to (probably) destroy his career? If you gave me that plot as a TV movie, I'd tell you it was too much."
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२६७ टिप्पण्या:
267 पैकी 1 – 200 नवीन› नवीनतम»The Sully repsonse was precious. Apparently this does not happen outside Texas.
Link Duh...
I watched part of it because I wanted to make sure that I wasn't being conned with faux outrage.
Nope. Not being conned.
And I watched it without sound, by the way, so that I couldn't be swayed by emotional audio.
Is bad, bad, bad.
If you watch it prepare to be enraged. He beats the tar out of her with a belt, takes a break while the mom takes over for a while, and then comes back to finish up with a new belt.
Note that the video was made 7 years ago. This report covers the whole story well.
I could watch only 2 minutes of it. This is local to my home town. I live here. I don't know how much longer Judge Adams will be Judge Adams. He says he can explain it we just don't know what all was happening. Well, we could see a lot was happening. In the first 2 minutes he is seen mainly from the head down, and it is not well lighted, but the voice is his, he doesn't deny it happened..... And he is the many who can take children away from their parents for abuse, and has.
I'm annoyed that there are comments everywhere excusing the mom.
As a father of two daughters, this video is extremely disturbing.
They say violence is never the answer, but given the chance, I'd beat the living crap out of this PoS regardless.
Even more disturbing is the knowledge that this sort of thing and worse happens every single day.
As a family law judge, I assume he hears cases related to child abuse. Scary.
Freeman, the cold ugly voice is part of the violence. It is almost creepy bad.
And I am going to have to make myself preview these things to check my spelling, in my previous post I added a y to man.
I will only be satisfied when we hear reports that Judge Adams has offed himself like the guy from the Real Housewives of BH. Maybe he goes out to the garage one day and fires up the 12 gauge under the chin; maybe he's discovered hanging from a rafter in the basement or garage... I'm not particular as to style or aesthetics, but this level of flaming hypocrisy and hauteur deserves nothing less than an immolative end to the perpetrating "judge". Don't judge lest you be judged, asshole!
Holy shit.That IS bad. The mother is not to be excused.
I blame Lincoln. Once he freed the slaves, the slave overseer's brutality skills had no more outlet except their own family members that became their new slaves.
Eccept there was the Chain Gang System filled with vagrant blacks that built the South's roads and were starved to death to fund the Bosses lavish lifestyle taken from the budget for feeding them.
But once the chain gangs were history, the family members had to take it.
How could he beat his daughter like that? What an animal.
Destroying his career should be the least of it. He should go to jail.
Life is brutal under the thumb of a powerful tyrant. But when it is your own parents doing it that kills something down in your soul.
Very dark and evil stuff.
The Empire of the Sun film by Spielberg showed the prisoners of the Japanese undergoing this treatment.
Good ole' fashioned Conservative Values™ in action! Yay Republicans! Rick Santorum must be so proud!
No wonder our conservative friends dislike video recording and the taking of photographs...
If there were better restrictions on the posting of videos, then stuff like this-- and I mean the publicity, not the beating-- would never happen.
Don't worry, though! Our noble leaders in the bipartisan Regime are working on it. E-PARASITE / SOPA could go a long way in preventing terrible horrible un-American acts like the posting of this video. Hopefully this will be sufficient to shut down reddit too.
Troll.
Horrible!! The mother allowing this to happen much less participating.
You know that it must have happened many times over and I suspect that the daughter purposely set the camera up so as to catch the action.
I could only watch enough (like Freeman) to be sure what it was.
AA- "I clicked through, but instinctively turned it off after about 5 seconds, without seeing any of the beating."
After you instinctively clicked it on, as most people do.
Heartbreaking.
I hear he had a reputation for going easy or light on accused child abusers, so at least he's not a hypocrite!
Born and raised in Texas, got whipped/spanked with a belt as punishment now and again. I was prepared for this to be totally overblown PC, but wow. This guy is an animal.
That video.. at least speaking for myself and what I believe is my instinct for vengeance.. no rational thought.. just.. I cant even put it into words.
My father beat me up like that when I was a kid.
I remember resisting, like that girl was doing, by not complying and getting him to beat me more.
You can sense the excitement in folks like Dead Julius. The guy is a Republican, YAY!!!
Shitheel.
Born and raised in Texas, got whipped/spanked with a belt as punishment now and again. I was prepared for this to be totally overblown PC, but wow. This guy is an animal.
This. I wasn't spanked at all as a child, but I had plenty of friends who were. I expected this video to look like that. Nope.
This ABUSE has nothing to do with politics..
More proof that Republicans beat the tar out of their kids. More campaign material, yay!
Rethugs, Rethugs, Rethugs!
http://www.kristv.com/news/judge-s-ex-wife-responds-to-videotaped-beating/
Hallie Adams writes: "I am praying for my daughters and me and my family to heal in all ways from emotional and physical abuse, for the current and continuing abuse of my children and me that has been ongoing to end - starting now - for my daughters to both finally be able to go to counseling both individually and as a family group with their Dad's approval, encouragement, involvement and support, for him to finally make amends to all of us, talk openly with us, and take the first steps to letting our broken family heal.
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The mother says she was a victim of abuse also. I cannot understand why these women do not leave their abusers, why does the motherly instinct to protect ones young not kick in?
As late as the 1970s the piney lands of East Texas communities would not do anything when children were kept out of school because their wounds from righteous punishment for disobeying their alcoholic parents were healing up.
There is something wrong with that. The School Principals were complicit with torture of children slaves on the Pro Family Agenda.
Religion mixed with politics that is legalistic and not merciful is an evil thing.
But not all Conservatives are legalistic like the Ayn Rand worshiping disciples who call themselves Libertarians.
I watched the whole thing because unlike some people who are squeamish, I can at least attest to what I saw. The abuse in the video is criminal. The mother is complicit and whether that complicity was to pacify her husband or not is irrelevant. She may too have been a victim of abuse at her husbands hands and again, not an excuse to project that to your daughter. This is not discipline and it cannot be called discipline. This is simply child abuse. Discipline can encompass spanking, but that type of discipline is deliberate and short. Enough to get the point across, but clearly not to a 16 year old girl. That requires a different type of discipline altogether.
However, this man, if he can be called that, chose the path of least resistance. The fact that his daughter recorded the video more or less says that she was gathering evidence, even back then to use against him. Why she submitted it now might be in question after so long, unless it was still continuing. Regardless, if he runs into statute of limitations, there will be outrage and it will last a week or two nationally, a little longer in the state, and about 6 months to a year locally. He should no longer be a judge nor be in any positions of authority.
Many people will agree with his methods and many people will defend him from all over. People will do comparatives of their experiences to what this girl received. More often than not, she will most likely be scoffed at as being a disloyal daughter. She will also receive tremendous support. A national dialogue will ensue on child abuse and more attention will be made on child abuse charities. The usual suspects will come out of the woodwork to glean positive PR press from this event.
What you got to see was a glimpse that is usually kept hidden from the daylight of society. Most of this type of abuse occurs in the privacy of ones home. It still doesn't make it right and should be gone after. If some counties are going to stop prosecuting domestic abuse cases because of lack of funding, then imagine the short shrift that child abuse cases will get.
I agree. The mother is complicit but I think she too would have been beaten had she tried to stop the abuse.
The father is a sadistic tyrant.
Alex said...
More proof that Republicans beat the tar out of their kids. More campaign material, yay!
You realize that your trolling is a fail don't you? Do you think child abuse is a republican happenstance? Is that really the position you are going to take?
(The Uncredentialed, Crypto Jew)
You know for the life of me, Dead Julius I can’t find the Judge’s Party Affiliation nowhere….Usually that means s/he is a DEMOCRAT….but let’s not disturb your little sick fantasy…say if ole Judge Adams IS a Democrat will that be Liberal Values at work, or just a “Never mind”?
Sweet Lord, those parents belong in jail.
Here is the definition of LAME!
ARANSAS COUNTY, TEXAS - Judge Burt Mills has today announced that Aransas County is aware of the video posted on YouTube regarding County Court-at-Law Judge William Adams, and the matter is now under review by the Police Department. Please refrain from communication with County offices or the Sheriff's Department on this matter until the review has been completed. Calls, emails, and faxes only create disruptions for other ongoing county business. The public's cooperation would be most appreciated.
We are AWARE? .. thats all.
Allie - being a victim, herself, delayed her being able to protect her own child. Her craving of acceptance and love from her abuser or abusers blinded her from acting sooner.
pretty extreme for "using a website". not as extreme for stealing and even less extreme for repeated criminal activity that might put the family livelihood at risk.
Words fail. Caution: The video is violent and unsettling.
http://www.arktimes.com/ArkansasBlog/archives/2011/11/02/video-portrays-texas-judge-beating-daughter
Here's some more background. The video is said to show a Republican Texas family court judge taking a belt repeatedly to his daughter, who has cerebral palsy.
When asked if he thought the conduct in the video was excessive, Judge Adams said, "It's not as bad as it looks on tape."
Judge Adams also informed us he has already contacted the Judicial Review in Austin and "more will come out" during the investigation.
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Abusive people come in all shapes , colors and political affiliations. The daughter has Cerebral Palsy, my God, what an animal.
I was spanked with a belt occasionally as a kid. Mine was always on my bare buttocks. I have no bad feelings towards my parents for that. I distinctly remember deciding not to do certain unlawful things when enticed by my friends because of fear of a beating. My friends who did choose otherwise were not beaten. Some ended up in jail. Some are now dead from a life of poor choices.
The difference for me from this girl's experience is that:
It never really hurt. My parents clearly didn't like doing it, and argued about who's duty it was to perform. The chosen one had no anger and would basically just go through the motions to scare me and then do it very lightly. I acted up a storm and pretended it hurt immensely.
This girl is probably being hurt, although not seriously, and she is acting a little as kids always do in these situations.
This guy is acting entirely out of anger and not concern for her development, as I believe motivated my parents.
He wants to hurt her to get submission which is a bad approach to parenting.
I was not scared of my parents beatings - I knew they didn't hurt. I was scared of disappointing them enough to take them to that level, which was rare. They seemed to only do it when it was an infraction that was dangerous or illegal, never just for disrespecting them. That would only get me the quick back of Mom's hand.
This guy is toast as a judge. He was unhinged, and abusive, but I can understand the anger if your child is stealing and you don't seem to be able to instil the moral understanding that is important to some of us.
He completely misses the opportunity to teach morality and instead shows just the opposite. She will likely never value his opinion or advice, and neither will anyone else now. He blew it, and unfortunately for him, he did it on tape.
How many of us would have a shed of respect left if people where surreptitiously taping us at our worst?
I spanked my step daughter once. It was for doing something very dangerous that she was told not to do.
I sat her down and talked to her first, and told what I was going to do and why. My point was that, it was so important for her to know right from wrong about this thing, that I was going to do this act that we both hated going through.
She is grown now and looks back at that episode fondly. It bonded us like nothing else we ever did.
I'm not endorsing spanking nor attcking it, just telling a true story.
downloading music and computer games
The kids used to download all kinds of stuff, and then their computer stops working.
Yeah, yeah...not an excuse, but that crap used to piss me off!!
I may regret saying this later.. but I kind of .. if this took place here in NJ.. If that guy was here.. I would finding out where the lynch mob meet was.
Martha said...
I agree. The mother is complicit but I think she too would have been beaten had she tried to stop the abuse.
The father is a sadistic tyrant.
I don't know if I've said it here or not. I think I may have, but my brother and I are also people who had an abusive father. He was an angry man who also drank a lot. That's how he was when I was a kid. I got 10 times worse than this girl ever did and a lot of times I took it for my brother too. That's just how it was in my family and it was traditional and generational. My mom would try to stop him, and she was successful most times, but he never touched her to my knowledge and as we got older, it got less and less to the point that it stopped when we could physically challenge him and he knew it. Was I angry at him for being that way, you bet and I was angry at him for a long time.
But as I got older, had a family of my own and dealt with my own tribulations, I stopped holding it against him. I forgave him and he and I talked about it extensively in that forgiveness. He acknowledged his errors because he didn't know any better or any different. I stopped holding it against him from that point on. I love my father dearly and he is important to me in my life. Those issues for me are a blip in my past and while I don't excuse his mistakes, I don't hold them against him either because the good far far far exceeded the bad. He is a good man who made bad choices because he followed the pattern of previous generational bad choices. I'm not one of those people either who is emotionally train wrecked because of other peoples bad behaviors either. I've moved on although I wouldn't hold anything against this girl for what she went through and what she has done to fight against her father. She is clearly still dealing with it and I hope that she can get past it in the near future.
Something tells me that guy better get himself into police custody.
Just saying.
The correct punishment, in my opinion, would be loss of the apparatus used to commit the stealing. No internet.
Now what do you think the girl would choose if offered the choice - that spanking or loss of the internet?
Which would you choose?
As Triangle, I find the age of all this interesting.
She could have put it up anytime, but she waits and then says she hopes Daddy gets help.
Suuure.
Dead Julius said...
Good ole' fashioned Conservative Values™ in action! Yay Republicans!
Yeah, the Lefties let their kids do drugs and have sex when they're underage in the home.
Much better!
So enlightened!
I am heartened by this response. However, you must understand that if this was a person beating a puppy it would be even more horrible in many peoples eyes. I worked for the juvenile Court in Mo. in the 70's. An oldtimer told me when he started working there the prosecutors had to charge parents like this under an anti cruelty to animals statute because THERE WAS NONE FOR CHILDREN VICTIMS. I love dogs but I would kill my 2 dogs if I knew it would prevent this abuse to one kid.
odds are he's republican. you have to be born to be an abused disabled teen.
The evil part here is the father feeling entitled to take an easy advantage of the dog-like loyalty of a child's love for their father.
Mental illness is most likely the cause here.
But Toxic Narcissism is easy to hide around others if you have power. This guy probably has everyone fooled over at Family Court. They would probably never believe his lying child without this video proof.
for my daughters to both finally be able to go to counseling both individually and as a family group with their Dad's approval, encouragement, involvement and support, for him to finally make amends to all of us, talk openly with us, and take the first steps to letting our broken family heal.
WTF!!!
I cannot understand why these women do not leave their abusers, why does the motherly instinct to protect ones young not kick in?
For many women, it’s the only thing that gets them to leave their husbands (when the kids are attacked). But as this woman was actually participating? I got nothing.
That Black robe gang--sure are mutha-f-ers.
Standard child-rearing in Chicago and Detroit.
Shanna, I have no Sympathy y for her either, all she would've had to do when she was being abused or especially when her kids were being abused, is call the police.With him being a judge that would've put a stop it it quickly, then she should've taken her kids and gone to a women's shelter, then divorced his ass.
"I love dogs but I would kill my 2 dogs if I knew it would prevent this abuse to one kid. "
I would endure that beating and worse to save your 2 dogs. I know I would of as a child of 6 or 16 as well.
Perspective please. She was not hurt, let alone killed. Some day she will likely voluntarily endure much worse pain for the sake of vanity through plastic surgery. Even getting a tattoo can be more painful. I think the guy was way out of line, but some of the reaction here seems very similar to his overreaction. Self righteous anger is a powerful thing.
Miss Hunt--it's not just one troll..the sockpup. (Mary,Petunia, Mito, Dead Julius , Tyrone etcetc has dozens of phony s-names--real name B***n B****my, bunko artiste from Sac CA) and trolls/derails under a variety of bogus profiles--left/right,female,gay ethnic, etc-- depending on the status of his diseased little stoner mind
This is the only time I have or will address you J.
Shut the fuck up. You're lame.
Ah J, someone name Janetrae said she really really likes your comments and missed you a lot, where ya been?
edutcher said...
I find the age of all this interesting. She could have put it up anytime, but she waits and then says she hopes Daddy gets help. Suuure.
What are you implying, sir? Or are you just putting up a lame comment to invite ridcule?
Having ministered as a pastor to women who have been victims of domestic violence I would offer that over time they lose the ability to think clearly and they slowly adopt the version of reality of the abuser. Maybe you have to see it to believe it but it happens.
Actual most of the names on here brainfarting away are the Byro-creepo at work. Here it is in action.Believe it
"Few large scale control studies have been conducted on the specific types of injuries of African American children.
Examination of data from Children’s Hospital Medical Center in Washington, DC, which has a 98 percent African American population, illustrates the range of injuries suffered by these children.
In 596 intakes (...suspected abuse or neglect...), 122 children were hospitalized. Among the intakes, 25% of 40 the injuries were due to beatings, 22% to burns, 15% to facial injuries, 14% to head trauma, 8% to ingestion of suspicious substances, 7% to fractures of long bones, 2 percent to genital trauma, 2% to retinal hemorrhages, 4% to internal injuries, and 1% to other causes (i.e., stab wounds, human bites, gunshot wounds, drowning,
starvation, and being bound.
The majority of physical abuse injuries of African American children are due to severe beatings, usually committed by a parent, guardian, or
caretaker. The long standing belief in “hitting” children continues to be a conflict in the Black community today. Many parents vacillate between doing nothing (for fear of being reported for child abuse) or using extreme corporal punishment (while being emotionally out of control)."
Perspective please. She was not hurt, let alone killed.
I don't think the outrage is so much about the actual physical harm as it is about the abuse of power.
Was she hurt? I'm sure it didn't feel great and at least in this instance was not permanently maimed or anything.
However, your parents are supposed to be the ones to protect and guide you. Children, even those who have been horribly abused, still want to please their parents and want to be loved. This man's cruel and angry and out of proportion beating of his daughter is a perversion of the parent child relationship.
Similar to beating your dogs. They want to please and want to be loved and to abuse that unconditional love is evil.... evil personified, on a Michael Vick level.
That the mother participated; even if only to try to diffuse the abuse is also an even greater perversion because she didn't protect her child.
The wife is like Patty Hearst; Stockholm syndrome.
Hearst did prison time.
has she stopped stealing?
Why point out beatings by blacks?
Because Dead Julius wants to play "Name that party."
But Pogo, aren't blacks also Republicans?
caplight said...
Having ministered as a pastor to women who have been victims of domestic violence I would offer that over time they lose the ability to think clearly and they slowly adopt the version of reality of the abuser. Maybe you have to see it to believe it but it happens.
Then they too become abusers rendering your point unusable. Choices are made, actions are taken. If he holds a gun to her head and says beat your child, that's one thing. I saw no gun, so if its taken years for her to adopt the same mentality of her abuser and in becoming an abuser herself, why is that an excuse against recrimination?
Why would a woman not leave her abuser the FIRST time he abused her or the kids,why stay so long that her own mind was warped by fear?
This video is horrible to watch and to listen to that girl scream for that monster to stop and hear the belt smack on her.
Child abuse is terrible and never to be condoned, but the story of child abuse is an old one. We know it happens and has always happened from sick and twisted people.
What makes this worth watching and sharing is not the specific instance of abuse, but to realize that one man had a very powerful position in a family law court, yet was a monster.
It's time we re-evaluate family law and consider taking some power away from the judge over so many aspects of family law court.
The girl's mother didn't intervene, and actually took active part in the abuse, for various reasons.
Not one of those reasons is an EXCUSE.
There's a difference.
Caplight,
The wife was an adult. She was responsible for her actions. She chose to participate. You seem to advocate the idea that people have no free will. I don't buy that at all.
Meth
I'm just telling you what I have seen. I'm not pleading her case. If I showed that tape to my prosecutor friend who tried these cases he'd tell you he's seen lot's of women in that boat. Any cop would tell you the same. My cop buddy told me once that the wives would be down trying to post bail before he could get the paper work done for booking these guys.
At the end of the tape you hear the mother telling the girl to sleep on the couch in her sister's room. I think she is trying to protect her from further assault. It wouldn't surprise me if she was afraid it would escalate to some type of sexual abuse as punishment.
A parent who beats his child is emotionally immature--incapable of disciplining responsibly. The abusive parent is easily frustrated by the demands of parenting and takes out that frustration on the defenseless child.
Commenter Methadras apparently has the emotional maturity his abusive father lacked -- he can forgive his father's abuse. Unfortunately most abused children are not so emotionally resilient and the abuse scars them for life.
That the mother did not stand between the enraged man with the belt and her 16 year old daughter adds even more emotional damage.
I would never allow anyone--especially my husband--to physically abuse my child.
Well I know I'm going to look like some kind of neanderthal for saying this, but I watched the video and I don't really see the big deal, to be honest.
The girl gets whacked hard with a belt on her legs and ass maybe a half-dozen times.
And the father says some angry things.
I understand his anger. She was using those illegal downloading services to get pirated copyrighted material, and apparently had been told not to do that. He is a judge and here his daughter is disobeying him to potentially get herself in legal trouble. He's angry.
I think if you had a hidden videotape of every spanking and belt-whipping that occurred in this country over the last hundred years that this one wouldn't even be in the top half of them in terms of abuse. It's an ugly thing to see someone get hit with a belt but if someone thinks this is really off-the-scale horrible I wish they would point out the exact part of the video they think is so bad. I kept waiting for something really bad and basically in my opinion it's just an angry father and a teenage daughter who disobeyed him.
I think the Reddit crowd is frothing because this father is (a) southern, (2) white, (3) probabaly conservative, and (4) a judge. They hate men like that, and so this gives them an excuse to 'get their hate on.'
I think the daughter is going to live the rest of her life regretting what she brought down on her father with this impulsive act. If anything it confirms her irresponsibility with internet technology.
Woo Hoo. It's about time kids get to upload the real thing and expose their psycho parents instead of just relying on social services who can be both slow and easily conned.
I did watch it with the audio and more than 5 seconds. What is this mincing behavior about watching it, or five seconds of it, with or w/o audio? I don't get it.
The girl is either being beaten or she's not. He either has the right to do it, or he doesn't.
MnMark, whoa.
Allie's Apple said...
"But Pogo, aren't blacks also Republicans?"
"African Americans in the past election and most of the recent past have overwhelmingly supported Democratic candidates (Welch and Foster 1992; Olsen and Green 2006; Kidd et al. 2007)."
African-American
Obama 08 ....95%
Kerry 04 ....88%
At the end of the tape you hear the mother telling the girl to sleep on the couch in her sister's room. I think she is trying to protect her from further assault. It wouldn't surprise me if she was afraid it would escalate to some type of sexual abuse as punishment.
My thoughts as well. It seems that the younger sister is the favored one, as the father (if you can call him that) sent the younger girl from the room before he began beating the crap out of the older daughter.
Maybe the mother hoped she would be safer in the favored daughter's room.
My parents rarely spanked us as children. I can only remember a couple of instances and they were just swats on the behind and I'm pretty sure we deserved it or it was warning for our own safety.
My mother, however, was a master at the Irish Catholic art of heaping verbal guilt on us until we would shrink into the couch cushions. Usually when my brother and I would fight with each other..... "We thought you were better that this. How can you make us so ashamed. Oh woe is me, I must be a terrible mother and I have failed you children.... and so on and so on". Talk about tongue lashing.
Then the punishment was that we had to sit in kitchen chairs facing each other for XX minutes and were warned not to laugh. There were no punishments for laughing and my mother admitted that our efforts NOT to laugh, impossible by the way, made her laugh in the other room. The result was that my brother and I would crack up at each other and completely forgot why we were fighting in the first place.
My parents were very cool. Lenient but still made us toe the line with no corporal punishment.
You know for the life of me, Dead Julius I can’t find the Judge’s Party Affiliation nowhere….Usually that means s/he is a DEMOCRAT….
Usually it does, but not this time. He ran unopposed in the last election. He's in Ron Paul's Congressional district.
I don't expect the Repubs to circle the wagons around this guy.
MnMark, really? You really can't see how weird that is? It's also quite a bit more than half a dozen times.
Yes, both parents are emotionally immature. If a child has disobeyed a rule involving her computer, why the heck is she allowed to have a computer in her room? (I am assuming this was not the first time the rule was broken from the conversation that preceded the beating.)
My two oldest sons disobeyed a family rule about computer downloads when they were sixteen. They lost all computer privileges until they left home for college, and they were made very aware at every opportunity that they had committed a breach of trust that would take the successful completion of their sentences to repair. I think it worked. They both seem to realize that their personal honor is not something that should be disbarred lightly.
"This man's cruel and angry and out of proportion beating of his daughter is a perversion of the parent child relationship"
This is the damage in my opinion. She will never really love her father, and he will always know it. That's the loss of a lifetime, and completely unnecessary.
There are of course children beaten far worse than this, who endure actual physical damage and even death. I doubt that would happen in this family, but it is an intermediate tragedy and a terribly wasteful one. I
That man is stupid and destructive.
I end up seeing these women with the fallout they develop as adults.
Humans have an almost infinite capacity for harm, and yet retain an equal and opposite force for love and vitality.
We're freaks, I tell ya.
Have the guts to watch the video.Then tell us how great lawyers are.This POS is a judge.In my neck of the woods there is a police officer on trial for murder for killing his girlfriend -in uniform,Mark Bomia.And the States attorney took the death penalty off the table.
The mother and father are divorced and it was rumored in town that it was due to physical abuse. Obviously more than a rumor.
It was very strange when the father said something like "I'm supposed to hit you on your butt", I wonder if he had been warned about this before by someone, maybe a pastor? He then went on to hit her everywhere , even in the face( mostly off camera, but appeared he was hitting her in the face with his hands). His cursing and voice made it even more horrid.
Freeman: yes, to be honest, my impression after watching it was that it wasn't that big a deal.
I think it's mainly that we never see this happening. Have you ever seen a hidden video of a parent spanking a child before? I haven't.
There's going to be crying and angry voices and thwacking sounds and it's ugly. People getting hit is ugly.
My father spanked me with his hand and not a belt, and he didn't say anything as angry as this man is, but if you watched a video of me getting spanked when I was 12 I imagine it would look about that ugly, though I'm sure my father's spankings were very middle of the road as spankings go.
My sense is that this is pretty much a basic belt-whipping as has occurred in this country since the dawn of time. If it had gone on and on and on, that would be one thing. It didn't.
I think it would be fine for us to move beyond corporal punishment of children. But I think this man is going to be crucified for a belt-whipping about which half the older people in the country would watch and go "what's the big deal?"
One interesting thing about this is that she was 16 years old when this happened I think? Usually this sort of abuse stops when the perpetrator begins to fear the vicitm will fight back or they might get caught. In my case I was 13 and I remember the day (and the beating) vividly, how I defied my mother and taunted her (come on, hit me again! Are you satisfied now?) as she beat me in a very similar manner. It was the last time it ever happened.
Some folks in the thread are talking about why the girl may have waited until now to show the video. You need to keep in mind this isn't the only time this happened. This kid was probably subject to this sort of treatment her whole life, and for her this was normal. Sometime between her childhood and becoming an adult she figured out she had been abused. If you think kids know they are being abused well you're just wrong. Kids are totally dependant on their parents and don't have the ability or experience to deal with this sort of thing the way adults do.
Also, people don't believe you. And why not? It's unnatural behavior and out of the realm of normal human experience. It's patently unbelievable that a parent would behave this way. Just look at this thread.
As far as the mother is concerned, people end up being trapped in this. They are in denial, they don't really get the terror their children live under, they don't want to rock the boat. They rationalize, excuse, deny and hide. In my case the one I am most angry with is my father not my mother (who was the abuser). My father allowed it to happen. I've come to believe my mother was just insane or demon possessed. My dad though, he wasn't crazy and he knew what was going on and allowed it to happen.
So just curious trolls. If all Republicans everywhere are stained by what this one guy did, are all Democrats everywhere stained by all the OWS rapes, robberies, sexual assaults and cop car defecations?
My god. This man has no business being a family law judge. I was only able to get through about three minutes of this. It was personally very disturbing to me, for I was the victim of that kind of abuse, and it brought back many very painful memories. My father used to beat me with his razor strap or smack me around. One time he smacked me so hard, he knocked me across the room into a wall and knocked me out. I couldn't go to school for days because of my swollen face. I was nine years old. That was the beginning of the end for my mother. She divorced him not long after that. I vowed then if I ever had children, I would never, ever beat them, ever. I'm proud to say that as a father of a now 25 year old daughter, I never once raised my hand to her and she turned out to be a beautiful, well-adjusted, charming young woman.
Back to the video. I had such a visceral reaction that I, a 47 year old man and veteran, choked up. Man, I just wanted to make him stop, and the fact that she's has a disability makes it even more of an outrage.
I don't know what the laws or statute of limitations are in Texas, but this man needs to be prosecuted if at all possible. The video shows just one instance. Anyone with half a brain, knows it is just the tip of the iceberg of that poor girl's nightmare existence with her "father."
I read down through the young woman's Tweets back through September. She says a bunch of stuff about her toilet habits that do not reflect very well on her maturity.
My sense - and I could be wrong - is that this is an immature young woman who is angry at her father and stored up this video for a chance to get back at him some time, and impulsively decided to release it. And now it's getting away from her and the hate coming down on her father is not something she bargained for...one of her Tweets mentions that she has regret about releasing it.
"MnMark, really? You really can't see how weird that is? It's also quite a bit more than half a dozen times."
It's hard to take this side, but no, it's not that strange. This kind of spanking goes on a lot all around the world, and this one is way down on the mild side compared to most, I imagine. That doesn't make it OK, but it does make it far from strange.
Many healthy happy people were spanked like this and worse as children throughout history. It was more normal once. That's just a fact. For better or worse, our outrage is a function of our culture and it current state in history. Someday we have the same attitude about punishment of any kind.
Matt said...
edutcher said...
I find the age of all this interesting. She could have put it up anytime, but she waits and then says she hopes Daddy gets help. Suuure.
What are you implying, sir? Or are you just putting up a lame comment to invite ridcule?
Sounds like Matt's the one with a lame comment inviting ridicule.
MN Mark, you think this man is fit to be a Family Court Judge?
It was more normal once. That's just a fact.
So was slavery. I don't see your point.
MN Mark, you think this man is fit to be a Family Court Judge?
That is a huge point. If he can't control himself and thinks that this type of abuse is acceptable, how can he fairly and impartially judge others?
OK, the case against this guy has been made. He certainly doesn't seem to have a judicial temperament, even by WISC standards. Nevertheless, there's one thing nobody's really talked about explicitly:
The girl knew this was being recorded. That raises the possibility that she suspected that resistance to a belt-whippin' on the butt would further inflame her father to the point where he'd look just as bad as he did. It also raises the possibility that her screams were at least partly, um, enhanced.
You may now proceed to flay me virtually. I realize that she was probably induced to video this b/c of prior belt-whippin. I also realize that the subsequent divorce suggests that truly bad stuff went more than this one time.
Usually somebody else steps up with the whole "everyone deserves a defense" shtick, but so far there don't seem to be many takers.
ChipS, she was mostly sobbing, I didn't hear all that much screaming. she was pleading with him to stop, she was trying to pacify him, she said yes sir, numerous times. She was right not to lay down and just take it, good grief. She showed amazing courage for a 14 year old kid with Cerebral Palsy. I read she was 14 when this happened , not 16.
You may now proceed to flay me virtually.
I'm not going to flay you, but I will ask: so?
Suppose she played up her screams; so what? I watched the video with the sound off and had to stop partway through because I don't need that kind of hate in my life.
As for her knowing that resistance would lead her father to beat the crap out of her -- uh, how'd she know that unless he'd done it before, OFF-camera? Also, how does that become an extenuating circumstance for the father?
@Allie--Dammit, I'm gonna fall right into your trap and further push my hypothesis.
At the end of the video, when she gets up and walks toward the camera, she doesn't look quite like someone who's been racked with sobs.
There. Now I've called into question the authenticity of a helpless, handicapped girl of 14. Starting to feel like a trial lawyer.
Go over to Reddit and read down the comments. The amount of psychological projection and really evil theorizing is disturbing. Everyone who was abused in their childhood is reading all kinds of sinister stuff into this and coming out with some really unbalanced hatred at this guy.
I also read a quote from the girl where she told her father that she had the video and that she could post it on the internet if she wanted, and he said she could do so if it made her feel better. So she said she went ahead and did it.
The girl is immature. Read her Tweets. She is shacked up with a boyfriend and has become an atheist and spends much of her time playing video games. All stuff guaranteed to aggravate her father. And the fact that she video'd this and held on to it for seven years to get revenge on him - when she lives in another state now - suggests strongly to me that she is a very immature young woman. The man deserves a fair hearing on this instead of being sacrificed on the alter of easy internet outrage.
I wasn't swayed by audio. I didn't watch it with audio for that purpose.
That wasn't a spanking, not that a spanking is appropriate on a 16 year old anyway. I've seen spankings. They don't look like grown men whipping people all over the body with full force. That was abuse.
And it did go on and on. He even leaves and comes back, "I didn't get my lick in on her!" WTH?
This should not look normal to anyone. If it looks normal to someone, I think that person should contemplate why.
she told her father that she had the video and that she could post it on the internet if she wanted, and he said she could do so if it made her feel better. So she said she went ahead and did it.
Which tells me that he doesn't have a clue about how the internet works. Viral videos?
I doubt she feels better.
What difference does it make if the woman is immature? I'd expect someone who grew up in that environment to be immature.
Thanks for the warning, I did not watch the video. I hate seeing or hearing about children being abused. People who abuse children are the lowest form of subhumanity and need to go to the big house.
Most kids do not need to be spanked to be properly disciplined. There is a quite small subset of kids who are not reachable without occasional physical discipline.
"There. Now I've called into question the authenticity of a helpless, handicapped girl of 14. Starting to feel like a trial lawyer."
And that ChipSter is why I thank God for the American system of trial by jury and the adversarial nature of a trial.
Chip S, because she stopped crying after the beating , what does that prove? Did you not hear her sobs and pleading DURING the beating? She probably was scared shitless to make another sound after that.
Freeman Hunt said...
MnMark, really? You really can't see how weird that is? It's also quite a bit more than half a dozen times.
Kids who are abused accept beatings as discipline as normal because that is all they know. When they leave home, gain perspective and experience, they realize that the discipline meted out to them was physical abuse-- not normal discipline.
That may be why this video was posted years after the abuse. The victim is now self-sufficient and not dependent on the abuser in any way. It is safe to reveal her father's abuse and hopefully prevent him from harming any more children he has power over in his court as a JUDGE.
Good God, MN Mark, its no wonder she is messed up. You blame her for being immature, so what are you trying to say?
I wasn't swayed by audio. I didn't watch it with audio for that purpose.
Then you missed a lot.
The father's profane ranting suggested that she'd previously engaged in online behavior he'd told her not to engage in. In this case, we know it was illegal file downloading, which someone's already mentioned would particularly ire a judge. He was doubly pissed off, as he's probably used to being kowtowed to in court, so that her repeated defiance was an affront to his ego.
Nobody can argue that this is evidence of a healthy family relationship. The fact that the girl recorded it tells us that this is a clip from the middle of a drama that started a long time ago. None of that means that she might not have done her part to aggravate the situation for video effect. That, too, would be part of the nasty family dynamic.
Freeman said, "He even leaves and comes back, "I didn't get my lick in on her!" WTH?"
I find that even more troubling. That he walked away but came back for more is not a good sign. It's not just the rage but the distorted sense of his rights relative to his family members. In his mind she owed him satisfaction. I will go back to my earlier suggestion of why her mother had her sleep in her sister's room.
That is one of the most disgusting things I have seen on the internet.
That man is an animal.
He beat the shit out of her, the mother takes a shot at her, and then returns with another belt.
And he is a family court judge. Yikes.
Awful, despicable, outrageous.
And for what?
Jesus, the man is sick piece of shit.
I actually find the verbal abuse more disturbing than the physical beating. I think the guy is a cad, a scoundrel, a terrible parent, and I hope he looses his job as a judge. But I don't think the physical violence in the part of the tape I watched was illegal in lots of states (including Texas). He whipped the girl on her clothed buttocks with a belt. I may think it is morally reprehensible (especially given the duration of the punishment) but it is a very common form of punishment, and if you want to take away the kids of anyone who says, "Daddy's gonna get out the belt" you're going to have to take care of a lot of kids.
If you think that he only hits her behind, you need to watch the video again. He hardly hits her there at all. He hits her all over her body.
Really -- there is never a good reason to smack your kid.
If the child is too young to listen to reason, the child is too young to be beaten.
If the child is old enough to reason, then reason with the child. Punish with loss of privileges. Never ever satisfy a sadistic power urge to inflict pain on a vulnerable, defenseless child.
Let's face it, the guy is also stupid.
My kid keeps breaking the rules for the computer. Now let me think... what could possibly be an appropriate punishment for doing wrong on the computer? Gosh, I just can't think of a single privilege to take away as punishment for misusing the computer!
Martha said, "ids who are abused accept beatings as discipline as normal because that is all they know. When they leave home, gain perspective and experience, they realize that the discipline meted out to them was physical abuse-- not normal discipline."
My wife didn't know that till we were married. She wanted to believe all parents weren't like that but was afraid to ask anybody for fear of what would happen to her.
If you think that he only hits her behind, you need to watch the video again. He hardly hits her there at all. He hits her all over her body.
If you'd listened to the audio you'd know that her refusal to give him a clear shot at the butt is part of what enraged him. You'd also know that that's what I was referring to by her "resistance to a belt-whippin' on the butt...."
I'll agree that the worst part of this is that the guy came back for more.
As for losing his job, I think that's a foregone conclusion.
If you'd listened to the audio you'd know that her refusal to give him a clear shot at the butt is part of what enraged him. You'd also know that that's what I was referring to by her "resistance to a belt-whippin' on the butt...."
I did know that. I was responding to a commenter who said she was only hit on the behind.
Also, she is under no obligation not to resist. She should have resisted. That offers no excuse for his behavior.
"... but instinctively turned it off after about 5 seconds, without seeing any of the beating."
So, naturally, you won't be commenting on this, since you have deliberately made yourself ignorant.
You really are a law professor, aren't you?
There's really nothing like a commentator of current affairs who deliberately makes herself unaware of current affairs.
I don't think it looks "normal." The man strikes me as a very typical southern father who was probably raised with belt whippings himself and is infuriated at his daughter who disobeyed him to download illegal materials on the internet and then refuses to take her whipping like he was raised to believe you are supposed to when you do wrong.
Meanwhile, she has set up the video camera to record it, which raises some questions about what else she did to get a really juicy video to record.
I would say this would be an extremely normal whipping by, say, 1950 standards. Things have changed since then, so now he looks like a monster to people.
I think the father is not particularly mature himself for losing his temper like that, and it raises legitimate questions about his fitness for his job.
But I think a big part of what really infuriates many people is that the man is a southern white conservative man who clearly believes children should obey and be submissive to parents. To a liberal, that is the complete stereotype of what they hate. So they gleefully jump on this to vent their hate.
Where was the same hate when Juanita Broderick came forward to talk about how Clinton raped her and bit her lip to hold her in place? Then it was the right kind of man - a liberal - doing it, so you heard not much of anything from the left.
Now it's southern white man losing his temper and whacking his daughter 20 times on the legs and ass because she won't submit and turn over. This is very, very ancient father/teenager stuff.
Wait until more facts come out about this girl. My intuition is that people are going to see that she is not particularly credible. The news stories quote her as saying his "harrassment" continues to the present time. I gather from her Tweets and the news stories that she now lives in another state with her boyfriend. What "harrassment" is she talking about? Did she talk to him on the phone and he said something disapproving about her shacking up with a man and becoming an atheist, so she decided to pull out that video from seven years ago and punish him for not properly fearing her when she threatened him with releasing it?
And notice how now that she senses she has gone too far and has potentially destroyed her father's career and reputation for good, she wants to take the typical liberal "therapeutic" route and start talking about how she just wants him to get the professional help he needs.
See, it wasn't about her getting revenge on him, or punishing him for his continuing disapproval of her lifestyle. No, no, she only cares about his development as a person! That's why she released a videotape guaranteed to destroy him on YouTube along with he comment that he should lose his job as a judge. It's just because she's so darn *caring*.
MnMark, I am probably the only liberal on this thread, I see a lot of sincere outrage from conservatives here.
Many of you might be surprised by how often people of "high standing" commit these sorts of acts. I knew a regional director for a state probation office who would do this sort of thing to his daughter. I physically stopped him once. I was young and knew nothing of how to report it to child abuse authorities at the time, if that would have done any good.
A psychiatrist in my neighborhood had a daughter a year younger than me whom I went to high school with, plus two other children. I found out several years later that he would beat them with a belt. The buckle end. Until they bled, sometimes.
Just a couple of more reasons I have little trust of authority figures until I find reason for trust.
a very typical southern father who was probably raised with belt whippings himself
Another anti-South bigot. If you think things are any better in New York City or LA, you're an idiot.
Would this video put his employer at increased risk of a lawsuit from a fellow employee if he were to lose it at work?
I live in the South. I am surrounded by white, southern, conservative men. That behavior is NOT considered typical. That's what people around here call "abusive."
I still don't see what difference the girl's character makes. Seems totally irrelevant.
That behavior is NOT considered typical. That's what people around here call "abusive."
Thank you, Freeman.
My experience of living my first 38 years in the South was like yours. The psychiatrist in the example I gave was not a native Southerner. Not sure about the other guy. Abusive people were severely scorned, at the least.
As much as I dislike it, I've come to the understanding lawyers aren't the problem.
It's humans.
And it will never change; it's always been the same.
And Jesus wept.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o_KytLO2WME
And the fact that she video'd this and held on to it for seven years to get revenge on him - when she lives in another state now - suggests strongly to me that she is a very immature young woman.
It could also suggest that she was terrified of him and needed time and distance to feel comfortable releasing it.
This is very, very ancient father/teenager stuff..
This is not normal father/teenage daughter behavior, even in the 50’s. You should not be bending your 16 year old daughter over under any circumstances.
Many of you might be surprised by how often people of "high standing" commit these sorts of acts
I’m not. Power corrupts, and if you are a big fish in a small pond you tend to think nobody will do anything to you. And you may very well be correct. I know someone who got married young, her husband was abusive and she left him eventually (after some pretty scary stuff), but people still hung out with/dated that guy and shunned her because he was just so great! I believe he was abusive to other women until finally he abused or threatened someone in the DA’s office and that’s when he finally got sent to the prison. Bigger fish, you see.
I see an angry father using discipline on a wayward child. The mother agrees.
I see that wayward child go from assuming she can tell the father and mother to stop doing something to saying "Yes, Sir" without prompting.
I laughed out loud when the mother said "Thank you."
The rest of you squeamish types are probably happy to live in a mad fucking world where children are the authority figures, but I don't share that sentiment in the least. These are good parents, doing what good parents must, if they must. And they did and still do:
Violating and betraying the intimacy and privacy of the family with this video is even further insubordination worthy of punishment.
The problem is a public, as seen here, too willing to attack "violence" without prioritizing any other concerns.
Like the horrors of NewAge, you make this scenario possible.
nevadabob:
You were gone such a short time. Why not let it be longer?
If you will notice, no where does our esteemed hostess make any comment. She simply links the story. Once again your over-reaction has caused you to fall into the snare of the dreaded Great White Blog Mistress!
Crack, this is many things, a New Age problem it isn't.
wv: caphyped-I had way too much coffee today and I can't sleep now.
Freeman Hunt,
Let's face it, the guy is also stupid.
My kid keeps breaking the rules for the computer,...
Sorry, Darlin', but taking away the computer doesn't address the issue - she's misbehaving ON the computer. Her insubordination - which you're giving support to by questioning the parents using the daughter's betrayal video - is the problem. Why should the entire family be deprived of the computer because one member of the family won't follow the rules?
The computer appears to be in her room, Crack.
And if you think that's an example of good discipline, you are simply wrong. That is an example of a parent who has no self-discipline and is acting out of control.
And even if the computer is not in her room, you don't have to allow her to use it.
Crack - you sadistic mofo. :))))
caplight,
Crack, this is many things, a New Age problem it isn't.
I didn't say it was a NewAge problem (where'd you even get that from?) I said, like the horrors of NewAge, your attitudes make this possible. NewAge horrors happen because you've created what you (laughingly) think is a non-judgmental atmosphere, but as the majority of the attitudes to this video prove, you ARE judgmental - just about the wrong things. You SUPPORT this girl lying to her parents and stealing under their roof against their wishes and you'll let her betrayal video be used as evidence to let her escape punishment for doing multiple wrongs against her family.
Shame on you all.
Both of my parents beat the crap out of both my brother and me. when we tried to get help, my parents said we were lying. Because of their standing in the community, no one would believe us. We went to Catholic schools and when we came in with bruises, the priests, nuns and teachers looked the other way because of the money my parents gave to the church.
I would say this would be an extremely normal whipping
MnMark, I'm glad I didn't have your childhood, if you think this was ever normal. Why are her credibility and immaturity at issue when the father is this vile?
Coincidentally, "Criminal Minds" tonight started with a drunk father beating his teenage son before almost drowning him. Son becomes a serial killer.
The Lutheran minister across the street from us in the 70's used to beat his children, after going to anti-war protests and setting up sanctuaries for prostitutes in DC.
Freeman Hunt,
And even if the computer is not in her room, you don't have to allow her to use it.
What's going to stop her? She's not listening - that's the point of the whipping. They told her what not to do and she's doing it anyway.
You make no sense.
"He lost his temper." That's a good one!
He also seems to know how he likes to hit a child. AND, he got his wife involved also part of the screaming.
Throwing him off the court would be a start!
Crack, you just password protect or physically disable the thing. It's not that hard.
How is 16 a child? It is weird to be whipping a 16yo. Why isn't she out working at McDonalds or Taco Bell? Don't tell me she's disabled, because I've seen disabled people working.
Freeman - I think the judge wasn't computer savvy.
You SUPPORT this girl lying to her parents and stealing under their roof against their wishes and you'll let her betrayal video be used as evidence to let her escape punishment for doing multiple wrongs against her family
Shame on you for SUPPORTING this criminal father explicitly. No one has supported her actions with the computer, jackass.
Oh. And, using his legal experience, the judge then says into the camera that he had "caught his daughter stealing."
Seems he has no comprehension that "using a computer" is NOT on par with stealing anything.
I'd bet he also gives beatings out if you're caught stealing food out of the refrigerator. Since he seems to follow a methodology when he's giving out BLOWS!
Did no one else this gal knew ... or is related to ... that didn't have their hairs standing on end when they viewed this video?
Maybe, she has more.
And, yes. She seemed to have known how to use her computer to capture images.
Imagine having to keep this to yourself as some sort of "secret knowledge."
By the way, the "judge" got an erection while he was beating his daughter.
Ralph L,
I would say this would be an extremely normal whipping
Extremely.
MnMark, I'm glad I didn't have your childhood, if you think this was ever normal.
Yeah, you're a wuss and I'm not. Most every kid who got whippings in my neighborhood is still alive - the rest are stone cold dead. None of us hate the person who disciplined us. This girl only gets away with her bullshit - including hating her father - because you pussies ARE pussies. You support evil in this way. There's nothing horrible happening in that video, except a girl pushed her parents too far and then betrayed them again.
She should be condemned by the public for such evil.
Why are her credibility and immaturity at issue when the father is this vile?
By the way, the "judge" got an erection while he was beating his daughter.
Ewww Carol!
Freeman Hunt,
Crack, you just password protect or physically disable the thing. It's not that hard.
It's also not the point.
Carol_Herman,
Seems he has no comprehension that "using a computer" is NOT on par with stealing anything.
Carol, illegally downloading music is stealing. She could learn to trade .mp3 collections with people, like I do, but noooooooooo!!!!! She's got to specifically do what her father ands mother said not to - and you give her support because you're squeamish. A pox on you.
You want to know why OWS is out there? YOU'RE why OWS is out there. Just as misinformed, unruly, and troublesome as this girl is to her family.
All because you let it, make it, want it.
This was my dad. He didn't do this often -- but a few times he would get really angry. One time my room was messy so he came in with the belt to speed me along. I was 10 and I wore knee socks to school so no one would see the welts. There were welts on my back as well. Even now as I'm writing this anonymously I feel as if I'm being disrespectful to his memory by mentioning it. My mom would just say that she got beat a lot worse when she was a kid so I never felt justified in complaining about it. In fact this is the first time that I've ever communicated with anyone about it. I have a sister and brother but this isn't a subject we've ever talked about. Anyway it never stopped me from being messy. BUT I have often wondered if our family would not have been a lot WORSE off if there had been a CPS and we had been taken away from our folks. Honestly I can't imagine that the outcome would have been better.
BTW - Of course he's a Family Law judge. I see a husband and wife, dealing with an unruly child, together. As a family. I am heartened the mother is part of it, showing a unified front.
It is society that is letting them down, not the other way around.
What struck me was his repeated use of the word "fuck" in front of his daughter while chastising her.
Wasn't he claiming to be the one disciplining her from the moral high ground?
Submission through fear was all he was interested in.
What a strange, pathetic little man.
Somebody is going to lay a serious beating on this guy.
Even if he gets replaced in an election, he'll always be a former judge and they always seem to be sitting in court regardless.
And Freeman is still my hero. Thanks for being so sensible and articulate.
The motivation for the woman airing this is of no importance. If she is immature or misguided, that might be just another result of his behavior.
EDH,
What struck me was his repeated use of the word "fuck" in front of his daughter while chastising her.
That's called "being pissed." What's wrong with you people?
Skyler,
The motivation for the woman airing this is of no importance. If she is immature or misguided, that might be just another result of his behavior.
"Might be"? Oh, Skyler, get real. You're seriously reaching.
She betrayed her own family, repeatedly. She deserved what she had coming to her. And if "the motivation for the woman airing this is of no importance" then neither is the reason for her whipping. She got it because her parents felt like it and that's all the explanation or reason necessary.
Relativism is so cool!
caplight said...
Meth
I'm just telling you what I have seen. I'm not pleading her case. If I showed that tape to my prosecutor friend who tried these cases he'd tell you he's seen lot's of women in that boat. Any cop would tell you the same. My cop buddy told me once that the wives would be down trying to post bail before he could get the paper work done for booking these guys.
At the end of the tape you hear the mother telling the girl to sleep on the couch in her sister's room. I think she is trying to protect her from further assault. It wouldn't surprise me if she was afraid it would escalate to some type of sexual abuse as punishment.
Oh, don't get me wrong, I understand what you are saying, but the stockholm syndrome issue is meaningless to me. I have officer buddies who tell me the same thing when we get together and stories like this come up. It's a shame, but if women are that weak willed and weak minded that they would become enablers in their husbands abuses against themselves and their own children, than I really don't sympathize with that. They are adults and have made a conscious choice to succumb to the tyrannical pressure put on them by either spouse. This can go in reverse as well.
Maybe it's comes from being spanked as a kid myself, but I agree with Crack. I was spanked out of a sense of duty to me, my upbringing, and my community. I knew that even at the time, while I was acting like I was being murdered like this girl is just to win at the game against my parents. I can't imagine a talking to would have done anywhere near as much good as getting spanked did for me.
As both me and Crack have attested, our friends that didn't get spanked often ended up jailed or dead. Maybe it depends on what group you run with as a kid.
If my parents told me not to download files, I wouldn't have done it. I wouldn't have because it would have gotten me a beating, which would not have hurt me, but worked like a charm anyway. it made me take my parents seriously. This girl was not hurt. You guys are angry at the guy, and I think he is way too angry too, but she was not hurt, so cool your outrage. It's as out of control as his was. The thing you hate is in the mirror. I bet many of you would beat this guy far worse than he did her...out of anger and nothing more
MC, you have some serious problems, I think.
I am no relativist. You have a strange understanding of how to raise children.
"That's called "being pissed." What's wrong with you people?"
Being pissed is the whole problem. There is nothing wrong with corporal punishment, it is legal in Texas. The problem is that this man has lost his self control, as evidenced by his swearing and the way he is more intent on getting his licks in than on making his point.
When the child sees that the parent has lost control, she is much less likely to learn anything about her behavior being wrong and more likely to do whatever it takes to avoid him when he's angry.
Maybe this has a high success rate where you came from, I can't speak to that, but making children not respect their parents is not usually a winning plan.
Martha said...
Commenter Methadras apparently has the emotional maturity his abusive father lacked -- he can forgive his father's abuse. Unfortunately most abused children are not so emotionally resilient and the abuse scars them for life.
It's not even about having emotional maturity. It's simply the fact that as an adult, I put into context the situation that my dad operated under with how he was raised vs. how he raised us. As a kid I didn't like it anymore than that girl getting whipped by a belt, but as I got older it was just a symptom of growing up. People who grow up in similar circumstances may not be able to get over it because they hold grudges and in like kind, their behavior becomes mimicked as was done to them or they act out in other ways. I'm no more special in that regard than anyone else. I just recognized it as part of my childhood, shrugged my shoulders, and moved on. Like getting a nice scar to show off to your friends. Even now, my dad, brother, sister, and myself joke about it now. I can see the hurt on my dads face at having been that way sometimes. He knows the score, but he also knows we love him dearly and don't hold it against him. It's life. We just dealt with it. No harm, no foul at this point in life, which is to damn short to keep score.
Titus said...
That is one of the most disgusting things I have seen on the internet.
That man is an animal.
He beat the shit out of her, the mother takes a shot at her, and then returns with another belt.
And he is a family court judge. Yikes.
Awful, despicable, outrageous.
And for what?
Jesus, the man is sick piece of shit.
Yeah, but you know that you were secretly wondering about his rage hog and how you could get a little of that belt action.
Allie's Apple said...
MnMark, I am probably the only liberal on this thread, I see a lot of sincere outrage from conservatives here.
The outrage isn't ideological it's instinctive. No one wants to know that this happened and seeing it is even more disturbing to note. This type of abuse transcends politics and unfortunately, leftards are ready, willing, and able to start pointing the ideological finger at conservatives because like abused children, they too are conditioned irrationally to think that this is a conservative issue.
"Crack is Whack!"
- Whitney Houston
And now we know why.
The girl will likely marry a man who beats her and their children, just like her mother did.
Uploading something to the Internet doesn't guarantee you that it's going to be seen!
Seven years ago this beating took place. (And, somehow, the woman found a way to keep the video recording. Probably by moving it to a small storage disk.)
And, I'll also bet that there are other beatings that have been recorded.
Besides, the judge got an erection inside his sweat pants, while he was administering the beating.
Oh, yeah. AND, while he's "apologized." He also accused his daughter of STEALING! Such a big word for a judge to use ... When "stealing" computer usage ... in a computer that was in this kid's room ... is a stretch.
IS THIS HOW PEOPLE PASS BAR EXAMS? This "judge" knew what he was doing, too.
Skyler,
When the child sees that the parent has lost control, she is much less likely to learn anything about her behavior being wrong and more likely to do whatever it takes to avoid him when he's angry.
Skyler, she knows the camera's running. She's plotting against her parents, who she knows are pissed, because she's defied them - again.
She is the one setting all of this is motion. No one would've gotten pissed without her actions. You - not the wife - are her enabler. You are someone co-signing her wrongdoing. You want to punish what is obviously the only people teaching her right from wrong against a society of people telling her to "Just Do It!" when doing it, in this case, is a whole armful of wrongs. Her, making this video, being the worst.
The little bitch deserved every lick, including the one he came back for.
And I still think the mother is cute for saying "Thank you" when the daughter finally obeys.
They're good parents.
From a pertinent comment at Reddit..
Aransas County, TX District Attorney Richard Bianchi: Phone: 361-790-0114.
HE CAN BRING CHARGES AGAINST THE JUDGE. THIS IS THE MAN YOU NEED TO BE CONTACTING.
THIS IS NOT PERSONAL INFORMATION. THIS IS CONTACT INFO FOR A PUBLIC OFFICIAL AND IT IS HIS OFFICE PHONE NUMBER.
Methadras,
People who grow up in similar circumstances may not be able to get over it because they hold grudges,...
And find themselves in a society gone mad that tells them that - even though it was they who lied, stole, cheated, and deceived - their PARENTS are the bad people for stopping them with a fucking belt.
The whole set-up is pure evil.
"MC, you have some serious problems, I think."
Gee, ya think?!
Beating a disabled young girl with a belt... that's THE MACHO RESPONSE!
When my kids f-up with the computer, we have mysterious internet outages that may last for days.
It's easy to unplug a router without making it seem unplugged.
There are two scenarios that work well :
(1) I hope we didn't get a virus from a torrent site...or God forbid, a PORN site!
(2) Those stupid assholes at AT&T. We should have stayed with Time-Warner!
I recall Meadow Soprano's punishment. They take away the Discover Card for a couple weeks.
It appears to be edited. Was it all the same episode?
The mom is holding a belt also. So was her use that is edited out?
Just wondering.
So Crack, you're saying that children should submit to beatings? Really? No matter how brutal? So if he were to beat her to a senseless pulp, should she not object? What if she only has loss of a limb? No? Major lacerations and blood loss? No? Just where would you draw that line?
Palladian,
Beating a disabled young girl with a belt... that's THE MACHO RESPONSE!
Sure is - and anybody else, too.
Yeah, I noticed she put that in there - who gives a fuck? You for raising a disabled child so SHE sets the rules of the house because of that? Tell me:
Where's the video of her parents telling her what not to do and her agreeing not to do it?
Seems to me her ethics, as well as yours, are disabled as well,....
Skyler,
So Crack, you're saying that children should submit to beatings? Really?
Yes, just like criminals should go to prison - something else I see this society being pretty lax about. I keep having to remind you, Bernie Madoff practically had to turn himself in to be busted for destroying people's lives. That's how lousy we are now. I cover people killing each other every day, in the most easily discoverable manners, and - viola! - they walk free because the rest of you don't have the stomach for punishing them. It's simply incredible.
No matter how brutal?
Now you're going into hyperbole - he gave her a whipping with a belt. Get a fucking grip.
"Just where would you draw that line?"
I think he went too far, I would have used something more effective, but People seem to be willfully missing things here.
She knew what was gonna happen, she planned it. She knew her dad would get very angry. Probably because he doesn't want his daughter to go down the road he knows she is on, where she ends up a loser at the OWS expecting everything she wants to be free.
Clearly she knew he would react this way, and she did it anyway. That's what sent him over the edge.
Now if your daughter was heading toward disaster and defied you at every attempt to redirect her, and was doing it on purpose - what would you do? Maybe not what he did, but what? Your daughter is careening out of control with no moral compass. Do you just let her go? Do you care enough to get angry? Do you care enough to get violent? Do you care enough to sacrifice your precious honor and vows of nonviolence? What is your highest value? How do you pass it on?
At the linked article it says the girl downloaded music. Is the father worried about the music companies suing him? He's a judge, he knows what their racket is. I don't condone beating a child, girl or boy, disabled or able, with a belt and the music companies should be publicly shameed as well for inciting child abuse.
bagoh20,
She knew what was gonna happen, she planned it. She knew her dad would get very angry,...Clearly she knew he would react this way, and she did it anyway. That's what sent him over the edge.
Which all adds up to a great big stinking pile of PUNISH THAT MAN FURTHER ON HER BEHALF!
*I'm not saying you're advocating this, B, but the others. They add insult (and more injury) to injury.
ws4whgfb,
...and the music companies should be publicly shameed as well for inciting child abuse.
Wow - that's insane. I mean really insane, like crazy.
People are seriously loopy, and ethically-challenged, now-a-days.
I expect this girl will not end up well. Because her father failed. Not because he chose to beat her, but because it didn't work. I'm pretty sure that this was long after other options were exhausted.
Even in the same family, one sibling turns out quite different from another. A girl who would steal, then disobey her father's exasperated wishes to stop, even after he gets violent with her, and then secretly tapes a planned thing like this that will destroy their family, is frankly a lost cause, at least from a parenting point of view. She may come around on her own as an adult, but would you risk that without trying everything...everything?
I had many friends like that growing up. I don't think anything could have prevented the disasters they became, but most of their parents never tried either. They took the easy road. Mine didn't, and I'm eternally grateful and love them immensely for it. In fact, I think I would probably hate them if they didn't do what they did - what it takes. I was just barely salvageable, and they did it.
"Do you care enough to get angry? Do you care enough to get violent? Do you care enough to sacrifice your precious honor and vows of nonviolence?"
Punishing children in anger is a big mistake. It's particularly a mistake when the parent loses control due to rage.
1) he lost control.
2) she knew it.
3) she lost respect for him--most likely she lost respect for him long ago shen he lost control due to his rage.
This is not leadership. This is not him "caring enough to get mad." He doesn't care enough to stay in control of the situation. He is indulging his rage.
"This is not leadership. This is not him "caring enough to get mad." He doesn't care enough to stay in control of the situation. He is indulging his rage."
Like you said, this point was passed long ago. But who was trying to do the right thing and who was refusing? She could not be turned around, he tried, to the point of losing control. He wanted her to simply behave for her own good. What she wanted was wrong, and I suspect it still is? People here who are angry at him want something worse than either of them, and don't give a damn about her life. Actually that's how I felt when I first watched it. Then I thought about it, the dynamic that made it happen, and who had what objectives.
bagoh20,
I had many friends like that growing up. I don't think anything could have prevented the disasters they became, but most of their parents never tried either. They took the easy road. Mine didn't, and I'm eternally grateful and love them immensely for it. In fact, I think I would probably hate them if they didn't do what they did - what it takes. I was just barely salvageable, and they did it.
Ditto. This is one of those subjects where I find Americans to be a major embarrassment. They see the evidence of it all around them but they still vote to let kids grow up to be worthless monsters. (Lady GaGa even calls them - their kids - her Little Monsters and no one blinks an eye.) They make shit up - he was "brutal" with her - always dealing with what came AFTER she fucked up (which women do even today) anything but to look at the obvious and say this was all on her. She fucked up. Her PARENTS - not just the father - agreed. They also agreed on punishment.
And why should anybody expect a father's discipline to work with all these enablers around, telling the daughter her past indiscretions mean nothing if she's able to enrage her father and get it on tape?
We're doomed.
@Crack...I never disagreed with you before, but I do on this one.
Being a father is not permission to make a child into your property carrying the total permission to destroy her like you do what you own whenever you feel angry.
There is a family of a mother, siblings, grandparents, aunts , uncles and cousins that also have a relationship with his piece of property.
This East Texas culture is the worst of the worst that allows parents to attack and maim a child they are raising as if no one can stop them. What the fuck is wrong with these people?
Hey, Guys, I've got an idea:
Let's drive someone over the edge, and then set up a way for strangers to punish them for us doing that to them.
Come on. It'll be fun,....
I noticed that some commenters think a beating with a belt may save the child from jail. If the child is 16 years old maybe that's true. There are much better ways of parenting but you have to start when the child is younger.
If you have an older child who is "uncontrollable" it's because you have been an incompetent parent.
How can you teach a child self control when you teach them by your own actions that is okay to be out of control?
"This East Texas culture is the worst of the worst that allows parents to attack and maim a child they are raising as if no one can stop them."
Nothing like that happened. She was not hurt, nor likely to be. As I asked upthread, do you think she would chose the beating or losing the internet? Which would you choose? I'd take that beating for a $50 bill, I bet she would too. The facts matter, not some imagined scenario. There is a lot of imagining going on here.
She knew what was gonna happen, she planned it.
Do you believe this was her first beating? How old do you suppose she was the first time he whipped her?
Dr. Drew just said that ALL the addicts he treats had abuse or neglect in their childhood.
traditionalguy,
@Crack...I never disagreed with you before, but I do on this one.
Oh come now, there must've been something,...[snicker. I love you, man.]
Being a father is not permission to make a child into your property carrying the total permission to destroy her like you do what you own whenever you feel angry.
Tg, he didn't "destroy" her. He gave her the traditional punishment for being a bad child - a whipping with a belt. Why are you guys so determined to blow his actions up into more than they were?
There is a family of a mother, siblings, grandparents, aunts , uncles and cousins that also have a relationship with his piece of property.
Yes, and the mother made sure to get her lick in, too. This girl was being a bad child and her parents knew it. She has now grown up to be a bad adult, determined to bring hell down upon her parents because she couldn't get her way.
It's disgusting.
And I'd be willing to bet she is a OWS supporter.
ws4whgfb,
If you have an older child who is "uncontrollable" it's because you have been an incompetent parent.
Jesus, you get more ignorant with every comment.
My foster brother became a crip at 13. His friends had more guns than my entire neighborhood.
Come on, parent-who-does-everything-possible-to-save-him-against-the streets, give us your sage advice on what to do.
Seriously, Crack, do you ever wonder why you were attracted to and married a psychopath? Could it be because you grew up with one (or more)?
So where should that child draw the line, Crack? You avoid the obvious flaw in your requirement for children to be submissive to punishment. Tell me how a child should know the difference.
Don't have kids, Crack. If you think this is appropriate behavior, then you have no idea what leadership, parental guidance, or maturity are.
BTW - My foster brother is still alive.
I even took a few swings at the big dummy.
Come on, parent-who-does-everything-possible-to-save-him-against-the streets, give us your sage advice on what to do
First, move.
Ralph L,
Seriously, Crack, do you ever wonder why you were attracted to and married a psychopath? Could it be because you grew up with one (or more)?
Yes, Ralph - because she deceived me. The very same thing this girl was doing.
And my wife got the same reaction - I was the bad guy, remember?
So then she went on to kill people, with your support.
See how it works?
"Dr. Drew just said that ALL the addicts he treats had abuse or neglect in their childhood."
This tape shows abuse to some people, but he could have neglected her instead.
Now you may have a better solution, and that would bring you millions if you just get it on CD and advertise, but I believe that he had little choice as long as he insisted that she do the right thing. Maybe that's where he went wrong. He should ask Dr. Drew, who has failed repeatedly with other peoples' children. I wonder how serious the Dr. would get with his own children if they refused to take his advice or respect his authority. Maybe just kick them out to wing it. That's how he handles it on the show.
Ralph L,
Come on, parent-who-does-everything-possible-to-save-him-against-the streets, give us your sage advice on what to do
First, move.
Can't - next.
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