"You have brainwashed your daughters into believing they are liberated by wearing revealing clothes, yet in reality all they have liberated is your sexual desire."
Wrote Osama bin Laden in his letter to us — the American people — in 2002. That's why it's considered really funny and helpful that there's a treasure trove of pornography in the bin Laden treasure trove. It's a treasure trove, you know?
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८९ टिप्पण्या:
yes... it's called booty.
What else did anyone expect of Onan the Barbarian?
You have brainwashed your daughters into believing they are liberated by wearing revealing clothes, yet in reality all they have liberated is your sexual desire.
That's a curious statement that eludes easy interpretation.
Interesting, isn't it, that feminism has simultaneously unleashed the demand that women should be able to walk in public dressed like whores, and the demand that rape be constantly reinterpreted to excuse women for any responsibility for their actions or their attire?
Feminism seems to be constantly pin-balling between hysterical porn mongering, and equally hysterical rape mongering.
In his defense, there's a well documented method of hiding messages in the noise margin of pictures, (yes, often porn). I don't think that's the case here, but that's one small defense.
But doesn't the maniac have a point?
As for his porn, he did live in 2 rooms for 7 years and....
Yes BigFire... if you play the moans at 1/3 speed you can clear hear the words "Kill Dick Cheney" in Arabic.
"You plaster your naked daughters across billboards in order to sell a product without any shame."
Yes, and you bought it, Osama - hook, line, and sinker.
And now look at you, deep in sea with 72 sturgeons. Forever.
OBL wasn't wrong about everything.
One of the reasons we are hated is because Hollywood et al spread their "cultural poison" all over the world.
Me? I enjoy looking at America's naked daughters. But I realize its changed the way I view women.
Most women will gripe that men have unrealistic expectations of how they should look and behave.
Some of what's coming out about Obama is disinformation. That's the trick. Put out a bunch of truth with some lies.
I'm not saying this is disinformation. Just making a broader point based on this example that is not particularly meaningful.
Perhaps this will help the West stop romanticizing the purity of Muslim men.
Well, for the Hollywood left we are all a bunch of right wing Christian gay hating nuts.
For the OBL's of the world we are decadent and hedonistic.
We just can't seem to win.
BTW, wasn't his favorite video "My Pet Camel: One Hump or Two?"
The mistake in reading this is assuming that OBL thinks that Western women are people. They aren't. They are objects of both scorn and desire at the same time. Unlike Muslim women, who can be taught their places and bear sons for Jihad, Western women are the servants of Shaitan.
Perhaps this will help the West stop romanticizing the purity of Muslim men.
Purity never came to mind. Smelly did, though.
You know, he has a point about the way women dress, what with the slut walks and everything.
So, he was a big old phony hypocrite.
Who would have guessed? (hint: me and just about everyone else).
Funny thing though about the naked daughters ... it's not us men who are plastering them. The women are plastering themselves.
Q: What is Osama's favorite movie?
A: Deep Goat.
This is from a Vanity Fair article about detainee abuse at Gitmo:
The interrogation leveraged his sensitivities as a Muslim: he was shown pictures of scantily clad models, was touched by a female interrogator, was made to stand naked, and was forcibly shaved. He was denied the right to pray. ....
It seems just a little too convenient. And it seems fishy that government "officials" (note the plural) would speak "on condition of anonymity about classified material". Isn't the disclosure of classified information a crime?
This story of a "treasure trove" of pornography could just be a CIA invention, provided to the media in furtherance of America's interests. Americans can't see bin Laden's computer files for themselves, but they'll believe the narrative because they naively trust their government and because the story of America's #1 enemy being a hypocrite is inherently appealing.
If I were in the CIA, I would put out this story, true or not, because people will believe it and it will likely damage the public image of Al-Qaeda, especially among puritanical Muslims. Wouldn't you?
If you think pornography degrades women, you should see what marriage to Obama does to them. Parents of porn stars can take comfort that at least their children are not married to Obama....My bet is that Charlie Sheen has much better taste in porn than Obama. However, we will not know definitely until the CIA reveals the contents of Obama's stash. Would it be a good or bad thing for her career if it turned out he was also infatuated with Bree Olson?
Yeah, it'd be so much better if our naked daughters would get sold into marriage to an old guy like Osama, who could treat 'em right.
Is it torture to have someone treat you the way you don't want to be treated because of religion? Really?
I'm starting a new religion with a divine Scripture from On High that disallows jail, fines, taxes, and not having sex a different 19-year-old woman every single day.
Evil corporation wants to trademark "SEAL team 6"
http://www.upi.com/Entertainment_News/2011/05/14/Disney-seeks-SEAL-Team-6-trademark/UPI-91721305384760/
I think the refusal to release the OBL death photos is apace with the entire Obama "trove" reelection strategy to keep the story alive for as long as possible.
Just as Obama kept the birth certificate issue alive because he thought it led his opponents astray, until Trump started to get traction with centrists.
Another point: there seems to be a very, very organized drip of information coming out -- tremendously soon after Bin Laden's reported death. Tremendously, tremendously soon when you consider the alleged volume of information.
It's far more likely that American intelligence operatives had a disinformation campaign ready and waiting for the right time, and they are rolling it out full throttle now along with legitimate information.
It's hard to know what's false and what's not. That's the beauty of it.
Troy, you omitted UBL saying "do not kill Joe Biden, he is too valuable to our cause"
@Maybee
Perhaps this will help the MSM stop romanticizing the purity of Muslim men.
FIFY
There is nothing hypocritical about this since the pron he had didn't have any women, just goats.
bin Laden's dead ~ Let's move on, shall we ...
I have to imagine that Obama -- who has never really been particularly adept at anything except Democratic caucuses -- will linger over and savor this moment entirely too long, until it becomes first a joke among conservatives and then, eventually, a national joke.
Perhaps this will help the MSM stop romanticizing the purity of Muslim men.
You are right that it isn't all of the West, but I also don't think it's only the MSM. There are people who got very swept up in the outrage on behalf of Muslims over the Koran burning. In that debate, there was at least one commenter here at Althouse stating that Muslim men only sleep with their wives.
There does seem to me to be a large swath of people who believe that Muslim men's beliefs are so much more pure and actualized than men of other religions.
There does seem to me to be a large swath of people who believe that Muslim men's beliefs are so much more pure and actualized than men of other religions.
You have the sentiment entirely wrong. It's not about Muslims. It's about the idea of the self-proclaimed intellectual who knows what's best for society and who is brave enough to take political action. What with communism laughable and gone, there's a real void.
The asceticism of living in caves and shit. The cleansing violence. The proclamations that people must live in certain ways. Hardcore leftists eat that shit up.
Depends on what's there. As I understand it, if it depicted hairless young boys, its not sex and therefore not pornography.
Now women would be wrong.
"You plaster your naked daughters across billboards in order to sell a product without any shame. You have brainwashed your daughters into believing they are liberated by wearing revealing clothes, yet in reality all they have liberated is your sexual desire."
He has a point, but in only in the stopped clock sense.
The Sexual Revolution freed a lot of young women into the glorious future of unwed motherhood and perpetual dependence on government. They're one of the Demos' most reliable constituencies.
OTOH, I've read in a couple of places that you can tell a lot about somebody by his taste in porn - white or interracial goat.
Julius said...
It seems just a little too convenient. And it seems fishy that government "officials" (note the plural) would speak "on condition of anonymity about classified material". Isn't the disclosure of classified information a crime?
Hate to agree with Julie on anything, but I saw on one of the military-themed blogs, Mudville, I believe, that nothing classified is getting out.
So he may have a point.
I'm sure he was only conducting research.
Bin Laden does have good taste in movies, at least. Amal Ahmed Abdulfattah Does Abbottabad (one of his wives starred in that one. Pretty low budget). 1,000 Hung Arabian Knights. That's a good one. Submission is a recurring theme, which may explain his devotion to Islam.
"Grant me chastity and continence, only not yet"
- prayer by St. Augustine (aka Augustine of Hippo)
Is there really any question that the Bin Laden story is exactly like the Jesus story? A young, wealthy, stateless man representing a religion and upset about the politics in the region where he grew up.
The difference is that the Jesus story had (or came to have) a meaningful, powerful message. Bin Laden was a confused nihilist of the worst wort.
I wander what Trooper has to say about this suck.. I mean shocking development.
For some strange reason our own Jimmy Swaggart and Jim Baker come to mind when reading about this.
@Maybee, purity of Muslim men has never entered my mind. Surely women must be covered and kept separate because Sharia Law recognizes that their men are, in their core, violent rapists who cannot control their animal natures - and, apparently, are not expected to. How else to justify the exclusion of women from public life?
Our daughters are prouder of being naked for money than he was filled with shame for committing murder in the name of religious faith.
"Is there really any question that the Bin Laden story is exactly like the Jesus story? A young, wealthy, stateless man...."
In which version of the Bible is Jesus wealthy?
Another point to consider:
In mainstream Islamic though--you know, the kind bin Laden followed--being a Muslim guarantees paradise. If you are a bad Muslim, you go to purgatory, but are guaranteed salvation. There is no sin that can send a Muslim to hell, except apostasy.
So, you see Muslims drinking, watching pornography, avoiding taxes, and so on, without fear of eternal hellfire. Hellfire belongs to the infidels.
This is a pretty funny photoshop:
http://www.kronosphere.com/kronology/2011/05/14/shaking-the-sheik/
Plaster up on billboards hahaha that's a good one.
One time a well-known crossword constructor, Frank Longo, was testing out a few clues in a NYT-hosted forum. He asked us what we thought of the clue "Plugs along the highway" for a nine letter solve. I guessed "billboard" but nobody else in the forum could make the connection even when it was given to them which is why I am the hero of this anecdote.
@Robert Cook... in the New Revised Version Jesus is one of The Carpenters... the royalties from We've Only Just Begun were huge.
@Christy-
and, apparently, are not expected to. How else to justify the exclusion of women from public life?
But they do it for such pure, religious reasons! They are living the lives their religion requires of them- unlike ever-hypocritical Christians who talk about loving Jesus but sometimes have affairs and stuff.
I got your bin Laden photoshop right here....
Jesus was obviously wealthy. His parents were on a tax-related trip when he was born. He traveled extensively during his ministry. Who paid for that -- the camels, the water, the food, the lodging? He spoke to large crowds. Who organized the crowds -- how did they know He was going to speak? Jesus was the spawn of a royal line. How many such people are poor?
Anyone who can make reasonable inferences understands that Jesus was wealthy.
Also, Jesus' (step?) father and Bin Laden's father were big in the Middle East construction business.
But, Robert Cook, fuck! Tell us: under what law will any court try American politicians for war crimes?
Maybe his, ahem, taste is porn was the same as mine ... no, probably not.
Peter
Jesus was obviously wealthy. His parents were on a tax-related trip when he was born. He traveled extensively during his ministry. Who paid for that -- the camels, the water, the food, the lodging? He spoke to large crowds. Who organized the crowds -- how did they know He was going to speak? Jesus was the spawn of a royal line. How many such people are poor?
I broadly agree, except for the part about Jesus being of a Royal line. In first-century Palestine, the easiest way for a Jew to be wealthy was through commerce.
Ah, but how do we know there are any women in OBL's porno stash?
Ruy -- I'm assuming the Bible's words themselves as true. Matthew clearly tells us that Jesus was a descendant in the royal line of David and no part of the Bible disputes that.
The larger point here is that a certain segment of society sees Bin Laden as an ascetic intellectual, like Jesus was in the Jesus story. Maybe they don't realize the extensive parallels...
On edit: maybe people don't realize that they are seeing Jesus in Bin Laden, and don't also realize how wedded they are to Jesus as a savior figure. They don't like Jesus. They don't like Bin Laden. And yet they do like both for subsumed reasons...
I myself am pro-Jesus and anti-Bin Laden.
Prof., A better analysis than the NYT is in DailyBeast, see http://www.thedailybeast.com/blogs-and-stories/2011-05-14/osama-bin-ladens-porn-and-muslim-hypocrisy-on-sex/.
Osama and people like that are bad. I wonder what the dictators are doing, like Hosni.
Jesus was rich as God.
We're looking at this from a modern perspective about the value of people.
Bin Laden was looking at it from the perspective of a time when the nature and value of a woman changed if she were impure. It's not hypocrisy for Bin Laden to simultaneously condemn us for not protecting our daughters while enjoying, himself, looking at fallen women. It's two entirely different things.
This gets into the "you're a whore, therefore you're available to *me*" thing mentioned in relationship to the Peace Corps women being raped, and any number of reports of, oh, rape proof belts being sold in Norway by an enterprising young woman.
We don't see women that way, that a raped girl is now "ruined" or any such stupidity. Certainly the people who recognize that we've done women no favors by promoting the odd notion that liberation and strength is gained by making ones self a sexual object are not viewing women as one sort of creature for noble purposes while "pure" and another sort of creature for other purposes forever after. Which is what Bin Laden certainly was doing.
It's the theory of magic virginity that sees even a rape victim as fundamentally changed and fundamentally guilty of her own ruin.
It's not even that long ago in our culture that girls came in two categories... the ones you f*cked and the ones you married.
We think that Bin Laden is shown to be a hypocrite because he doesn't feel the least responsibility to treat all women like the sort you marry. This is a western, modern, and probably (if I dare say it) Christian sensibility. I doubt it will go far among his supporters, no matter that we can hope that it soils him. I doubt that it will.
Interesting parallels there, 7M. I myself was thinking of bin Laden as a mass-murdering Buddha figure (wealthy prince renouncing the material world to seek enlightenment / kill millions of infidels / whatever).
"We think that Bin Laden is shown to be a hypocrite [...] This is a western, modern, and probably (if I dare say it) Christian sensibility. I doubt it will go far among his supporters, no matter that we can hope that it soils him. I doubt that it will."
That's a good point, too. This is Western propaganda, by Westerners, for Westerners.
Althouse, your "hypocrisy" tag makes the assumption that Bin Laden's porn included women.
I would be quite surprised if that's the case. The guy had 3 wives with him in that 3000 square foot house, the whole fucking time. If he wanted women, he had 3 in the flesh to choose from.
I suspect the porn helped him relive fantasies of better days, spent in caves with horny, celibate young men.
NTTAWWT.
Help Wanted:
Headline writer. English good but necessary not.
A product without shame is a town without pity.
I'm not back...just felt like passing through.
Julius wrote: Isn't the disclosure of classified information a crime?
Depends. If the leak in any way discredits the left/liberal narrative, it's a crime. Otherwise it's First-Amendment-protected investigative journalism. That's why Scooter Libby got a jail sentence and Philip Agee lived scot-free
Seven Machos said...
Anyone who can make reasonable inferences understands that Jesus was wealthy.
Do you remember the end of Indiana Jones and the Last Crusade? Indy, Donovan the Nazi, and the side-switching chic Elsa are deep in the cave with a thousand-year-old knight. They're forced to choose among different versions of the Holy Grail, representing the different images we have of Jesus. Elsa selects a gilded cup encrusted with jewels for Donovan, but after drinking from it he disintegrates in a most horrible way. Indy-- smart American hero that he is-- knows that the true Grail will be one of a humble carpenter instead of a wealthy king. So he selects the most austere-looking one and the old knight confirms that he has chosen wisely.
The moral? Only an egotistical Nazi would accept the belief that Jesus was a rich man. True-blooded Americans know otherwise.
7M wrote: Is there really any question that the Bin Laden story is exactly like the Jesus story?
For one notable for probity, you've gone seriously off the rails here.
William and Seven Machos both wrote Obama when they meant Osama. This slip-of-the-tongue seems to afflict everyone, including newscasters.
Compilation <a href="http://www.todaysbigthing.com/funny-videos/2011/05/05>here.</a>He probably should have stuck with Soetoro.
"...the purity of Muslim men..." is such that they have to butcher their women rather than exercise restraint.
They are so weak that if a woman even shows an ankle or speaks to or walks with a male they cannot control themselves.
They are so weak and so threatened that they must blame the woman for their own transgressions, thoughts and inability to restrain themselves - to the point of beheading her for their sins.
Let's be very clear about this.
A woman could walk naked in front of a good man and he would not rape her.
Asked about the contents in an interview with Bloomberg Television, Attorney General Eric H. Holder Jr. said, “I’m not sure we have any plot” that the intelligence review had found.
Well that proves the porn was for use by bin Laden and not any of his wives. Doesn't take a big shot CIA intelligence analyst to figure it out. Eeveryone knows the ladies are only interested in porn movies that have plot.
"A woman could walk naked in front of a good man and he would not rape her."
I'm willing to so prove my goodness to any nubile women wishing to test it.
I don't have an ox in danger of being gored in this Jesus this or that thing... However, intelligent conversation has rules. Jesus of Nazareth, Lord Christ, Son of Man, whatever is at very least the central character of several works of ancient literature of world-historic importance. Ergo when theorizing about the character one must respect the sources, which all agree he was not anything other than ordinary in terms of material wealth.
OBL and JC -- two Middle Eastern guys obsessed with religious matters. Yeah, that's one hell of an insightful comparison. How many permutations of Jesus coupled with a Middle Eastern guy obsessed with religious matters could there be given the 2000 year span involved. It's got to exceed the 9th order of magnitude.
Osama bin Fwapping
Yeah. Wealthy. That's why the disciples ate wheat they picked from the field, and they had to borrow a donkey for the ride into Jerusalem.
Speaking of Hollywood, don't forget In the Name of the Rose. Did Jesus own his own clothes?
Hopefully this "treasure trove" of documents reveals how Bin Laden feels about social security and medicare!
it seems fishy that government "officials" (note the plural) would speak "on condition of anonymity about classified material".
I, too, have just awakened from a coma that began in 1957, so I thought that was suspicious as well.
Is there really any question that the Bin Laden story is exactly like the Jesus story?
Why, yes. Yes there is.
Unless you mean the sense that the Obama story is in every sense identical to the Hitler story (middle aged man of mixed racial ancestry comes to power in nation with strong and unresolved feelings about same, riding wave of adulation from supporters; deteriorating relations with Great Britain ensue).
Turkish porn would be a first guess -- if he was into hirsutism. But he probably got an eye full of that in the Laden Compound.
But as OBL was certainly just conducting op-research, my money is on infidel girl-on-girl.
Gotta know thy enemy's poontang.
Just because ObL was a hypocrite (i.e, weak) doesn't mean he was wrong.
I want the details of the porn in the house.
I want titles, publishers, pictures, positions, letters to the editor.
Also, was there any dna of terrorist chizz on any of the pages?
Every sordid detail should be out in the open for the freaks to read.
Chris Rock has this thing in his show where he says that men, because of porn, want to try every kinky, dirty act, including straight men getting their asses eaten out.
And if you women don't oblige they will find some slut that will.
Have any of you seen the real homoerotic pictures of the Taliban? It was fucking weird.
I did see the real documentary Afghan Muscles though and it was fucking hot. They would all take their shirts off for each other and clap and walk around and look at their shape and touch them. I totally blew a load after watching it.
Fortunately, we laws in this country that help rein in that sexual desire.
Bin Laden had an ankle fetish
he also went for really sheer burkhas in BIG way
Why does everyone just assume females were in the porn?
Baaah, Bah, Baah, fap, fap, fap, Baah, Baah, Oh Allah, fap, fap, Oh Stevie Nicks, fap, fap, bah, bah.
Oh, here it comes.... BBBAAAHHHBBB DYYYYYLLLLLAAAAANNN!!!
(Seriously, porn and Rock and Roll brought down the communists. Maybe they can do the same for Islam. If a third of the men have 100% of the women due to polygamy then the other two thirds need a better release than blowing themselves up in public.)
But doesn't the maniac have a point?
No.
Honestly, anyone who thinks women in skimpy clothes have been "brainwashed" has never actually spoken to a woman.
Ann if you believe this then I have a bridge to sell you.
This gov't has been spreading disinformation about OBL from day he died. They are trying to change the perception of him and this fits right within their plan.
Please do not believe these lies.
I do not like OBL and am happy he is dead but please ANN stop believing these lies
Professor what's another word for terrorist treasure?
Why I think it's booty, booty, booty. That's what it is.
Why does a now dead sub-human new resident of hell care about our daughters when he came from a culture that subjugated theirs as nothing more than property? So Islamic purity allowed his collection of nudie mags or was it just for the articles?
"But the disclosure could fuel accusations of hypocrisy against the founder of Al Qaeda..."
Hypocrisy. A standard tool of the left.
Yawn.
Almost Ali gets high marks for his '72 sturgeons'.
Julius gets a star made of a grapefruit rind for making some kind of point using a movie plot. Ugh.
So we can't put up billboards with our daughters on them?
Then...how would those Muslim terrorists in Florida know which strip joints to visit?
But, seriously, Muslim guys aren't comfortable around women in public and especially intimate settings...as it's simply not the way things are done in the Muslim world (the mosque is segregated, and they are barred from much of public life...hence the camel beauty contests and perhaps a lot of the violence).
On that note, for Americans, how do you feel about single motherhood planned parenting, no-fault divorce, the women's front of Judea (NOW)...the seeming lack of moral expectations in those new roundsof change..and what that means for politics and the public square?
I'd better get off of here before some Lefty makes the Muslim/Christianity false equivalence charge
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