From a NYT description of the scene in the Situation Room of the White House during the mission to kill Osama bin Laden. They were watching a video screen. On it was Leon E. Panetta, narrating, from CIA headquarters:
“They’ve reached the target,” he said.
Minutes passed.
“We have a visual on Geronimo,” he said.
A few minutes later: “Geronimo EKIA.”
Enemy Killed In Action. There was silence in the Situation Room.
Finally, the president spoke up.
“We got him.”
ADDED:
Anyone want to take offense at that code name?
Apparently the code namers thought of bin Laden as a 21st century equivalent of the Chiricahua Apache leader....
Like bin Laden, Geronimo proved to be an elusive target. More than 5,000 soldiers were deployed to capture him in around 1885.
Geronimo was fighting for his land, and committed what U.S officials at the time might have called acts of terrorism, conducting raids on white settlers in Apache territory. U.S. officials said they could convict Geronimo and his fighters of murder, and exiled the outlaw Apache to Florida as a prisoner of war, never to return to his homeland.
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334 पैकी 1 – 200 नवीन› नवीनतम»Nobody was shooting at the situation room.
It's the special forces that ran the risk, in a mentally balanced account.
So...these politicians knew there was a journalist or two in the room?
Credit where credit is due for the operation and the results. That goes without saying, but for anyone to try and layer any sort of noble humanity into it begs skepticism.
Now, that being said, had anything gone wrong a la Eagle Claw, then I would believe their reactions and give credence to their pose and appearances.
I wonder if the President was bitching about the lack of a "Patriot Games" setup, like he did about the phones.
CWCID
I had heard that they were "watching" the operation, and pictured some video feed from the scene, including a view of the killing. But they were looking at Panetta, and he only said 15 words. Very stark.
EKIA? Afterward shooting Bin Laden in the face, Navy Seal Team 6 rummaged through the Billies looking for important documents and pulled up the Karlanda cushions looking for the money trail.
Am I the only one who wonders why Osama's code name was after a reknowned Native American?
Couldn't they have used something like 'Dirtbag' or 'Piece of Sh**'?
Just sayin
Make that "after". :(
And, you might look into where Geronimo got that name. His parents were not Italian, you know, unlike that faux indian, Chief Litter-in-the-face-Teardrop-running-down-cheek.
WV: sumar - the other indian - available now in push start or pull start.
Even a stopped clock will be right every now and then. Credit to President Obama for doing the right thing by maintaining the search and authorizing the action.
The brave warriors of Seal Team Six and their support team deserve the highest praise for conducting a difficult mission in a professional manner.
If Halo Joe was fingering a Rosary, you can bet he knew the press was watching.
And I can imagine Zero was 'stone faced', if he had one detail of American history right, it would be Desert One.
Hoosier Daddy said...
Am I the only one who wonders why Osama's code name was after a reknowned Native American?
That "renowned Native American" was a terrorist, too.
For an empathetic progressive, President Obama seems to be an unusually strong supporter of the "he needed killin" school of thought. What with his execution of Osama and the Predator targeting and Kaddafi and the surge in Afganistan and his support of the death penalty.
He would fit right at a Klan rally. Well, maybe not.
Theocracy!!!
Kevin Phillips was right!
I'd like to hear more about the mission, less about the spectators who were merely risking their political lives.
What with his execution of Osama and the Predator targeting and Kaddafi and the surge in Afganistan and his support of the death penalty.
An apt description of a recent Nobel Peace Prize winner.
He was fingering his beads. Beads if we are lucky.
That "renowned Native American" was a terrorist, too.
Oh for Pete's sake he was not.
@Hoosier Daddy
I wrote my update before reading your question. I had the same question, Googled, and found that a lot of people have that question.
"Couldn't they have used something like 'Dirtbag' or 'Piece of Sh**'?"
Pieces of shit aren't that effective at avoiding detection.
Pieces of shit aren't that effective at avoiding detection.
After they dry out, they can be...
Am I the only one who wonders why Osama's code name was after a reknowned Native American?
Did the President loose the massive and all-important sweat lodge vote over this code name?
I think our President showed a lot of political courage in doing this. It had to be intense in that room. By recognizing that, it does not take away from the outstanding actions by our military.
Want to hear more about those men.
I suspect that whatever moniker OBL was given, someone would find it offensive. My suggestion: Get Over It.
Unless they called him Sven. Then no one would mind.
If we had really wanted to kick ass, we would have sent in Seal Team One.
Hoosier Daddy said...
That "renowned Native American" was a terrorist, too.
Oh for Pete's sake he was not.
Of course he was. He only attacked defenseless civilians. His method of murder was intended to instill the optimum amount of fear in his enemies. He used terror to try to further his aims ("US out of Apacheria").
Anybody who knew the history of the US Army in the 19th Century appreciates the irony.
I just wonder how they got it past the Thought Police.
Very Politically Incorrect.
Apparently the code namers thought of bin Laden as a 21st century equivalent of the Chiricahua Apache leader
What nonsense. Rather than writing Apparently -- because absolutely no evidence is provided -- the author should have written In my opinion.
"That "renowned Native American" was a terrorist, too."
I would have said "infamous" not "renowned," since the latter implies a good reputation.
So, people are going to start yelling "bin Laden" when they jump out of airplanes?
I grew up yelling "Geronimoooooo" when I jumped off a hill or a high dive or something. It was a cry of abandon and bravery.
We jumped into this operation with both feet.
Seems pretty appropriate.
I will say it again...I am very happy that Obama flip flopped on everything he ran for and used:
-CIA secret prisons
-"Enhanced" interagation (aka torture)
-"Illegal" "warrantless" "domestic" spying
-"Assassination"
(I used quotes as these are the terms the Bush haters used while he was President)
HD: "Am I the only one who wonders why Osama's code name was after a reknowned Native American?"
OK. If Geronimo is too sensitive, or not enough of a baddie, how about using Bloody Bill Anderson as the code name, or if that's too long, Quantrill? They should qualify on all scores, and have the added advantage of being dead white guys. Not even a die-hard Southerner is likely to object.
"So, people are going to start yelling "bin Laden" when they jump out of airplanes?"
No, but it sounds like a great idea for throwing sea waste off US Navy ships.
Even conservatives tend to over simplify the Indian wars. Indians were not always innocent warriors, defending their land.
1862 Southern Minnesota.....Dakota murdered Norwegian-American farmers. Entire families. I am still waiting for reperations.
I hate call signs with more than 3 syllables.
Another thing bin Laden had in common with Geronimo - both were very hard to catch (Geronimo was very skilled at using the Mexican border to his advantage) and it took and elite troop of Apache scouts (under Lt Charles Gatewood) to catch him, although they did bring him in alive.
Pieces of shit aren't that effective at avoiding detection.
Depends when you mow the grass.
Like bin Laden, Geronimo proved to be an elusive target. More than 5,000 soldiers were deployed to capture him in around 1885.
So was Pancho Villa.
Pancho Villa was deployed to find Geronimo? Wow, I DO need to brush up.
@Hoosier Daddy
I wrote my update before reading your question. I had the same question, Googled, and found that a lot of people have that question.
Aw darn and I missed out on a tag. I could have run a victory lap on that for a week to taunt garage :-)
While at Ft. Sill (Oklahoma) I was told that a particular ridgeline across from where we rappeled was the exact spot where Geronimo was cornered/captured. I didn't have the Internet back then and I've never looked it up. Off to Bing I go.
So who is in that photo besides Hillary, POTUS and VP Biden? Anyone know?
Pancho Villa was deployed to find Geronimo? Wow, I DO need to brush up.
Ok that didn't sound right. I meant Pancho Villa was elusive too.
They could have called him "John Noland", right?
Chuck66 said...
Even conservatives tend to over simplify the Indian wars. Indians were not always innocent warriors, defending their land.
1862 Southern Minnesota.....Dakota murdered Norwegian-American farmers. Entire families. I am still waiting for reperations.
It's been my experience it's the Lefties who romanticize the Indians, something that started when they were sooo in love with the Viet Cong and other assorted Commie cutthroats.
The only time Conservatives might jump in is if they're into biking, outfits like Harley Davidson, which like to emphasize the outlaw thing, sometimes use use Indian motifs.
PS When I saw that T-shirt with a Camillus Fly photo of Geronimo and several of his men with the title, "The Original Homeland Security", my reaction was, "In that case, you want Nelson Miles, George Crook, Ranald Mackenzie, and Phil Sheridan" on it".
Lefty outrage in 5, 4, 3, ...
Throughout life, I've learned a lot of Apache tricks. All for the good. bin Laden is more of a Comanche.
Looked it up. Nope, he died at Ft. Sill after being transported from Florida. Oh well, it was a good story.
Richard Dolan said...
HD: "Am I the only one who wonders why Osama's code name was after a reknowned Native American?"
OK. If Geronimo is too sensitive, or not enough of a baddie, how about using Bloody Bill Anderson as the code name, or if that's too long, Quantrill? They should qualify on all scores, and have the added advantage of being dead white guys. Not even a die-hard Southerner is likely to object.
You have never been to Pulaski, TN.
Because obama's father was an African, they couldn't call bin Laden, "Dirty Nigger". He wouldn't put up with a derogatory name like that. You know, they have to be politically correct. Or, not so much.
Geronimo was a Native American?
Has anyone ever seen his long-form birth certificate?
Anyone want to take offense at that code name?
I probably would if I was a family member of one of the people who had to jump from one of the burning towers on 9/11.
Actually, if I was a family member of one of those people, I'd probably take offense at what I just wrote.
@Hoosier Daddy
Read "Once They Moved Like the Wind", an excellent history of the US Army's 30 year war against the Apaches.
Cochise - almost certainly a "renowned Native American." Geronimo? Not so much. Now it's fair to say that he learned most of his horrific torture and killing techniques from the Mexicans, who he hated even more than the Americans. It's also fair to say that some US soldiers were quite ruthless. But none really approached his level of depravity. Slowly flaying captives and slowly roasting captives were two of his favorites. And as edutcher pointed out, these were often homesteaders. Of course Geronimo's favorite game was to toss infants and small children into the air, as if he was playing with them, only to impale them on his upturned knife.
Did the Apaches have legitimate grievances with the US government? You bet! But as the years went by more and more of the Apaches turned away from Geronimo because they found his methods and approach counterproductive and "unsound."
Because obama's father was an African, they couldn't call bin Laden, "Dirty Nigger". He wouldn't put up with a derogatory name like that. You know, they have to be politically correct. Or, not so much.
So if it's derogatory, why did you bring it up?
So if it's derogatory, why did you bring it up?
Hypocrisy deserves a proper vetting, doesn't it, Garage? I think that's the point he was trying to make.
Also like bin Laden, Geronimo outlived his time--the Indian Wars ended decades before his death. But it's still a strange choice because Geronimo went on the become an American folk hero. Admired by his former enemies. Does anybody foresee that fate for bin Laden?
Liberals already love and revere bin Laden. Did you see the expressions worn by the sad talking heads on television? It's as if they lost their best friend.
Garage is still wearing his black arm band.
fingered...
Not that the Apaches were particularly sweet and kind in their treatment of noncombatants, but sheesh, what an insult to Geronimo.
As a conservative, I don’t hold a ‘romantic’ view toward Native Americans but rather a practical one that recognizes a stone age culture that meets a technologically advanced culture. The stone-age culture will lose out either by forced or voluntary assimilation. That’s just a fact. Indian massacre of settlers was simply their style of warfare since they pretty much did the same thing to competing tribes.
I can acknowledge that the Indian wars were brutal and horrific, such is the case between such vastly different cultures and values and it’s rather hard to say there were good guys and bad guys.
I also won’t judge 18th and 19th century actions through the lens of 21st century values particularly when every other nation on the planet was doing the same either through colonialism or trans-national wars of expansion. While Geronimo may have been called a terrorist by officials at the time, his remaining years spent as a POW at Fort Sill don’t exactly sound how bin Laden or KSM would/are going to spend their final days.
I guess I shouldn’t have thought of it but I suppose that’s a sign of how liberal political correctness permeates everything we see or say nowadays.
I'll tell ya a little something, garage, I'll say any fucking thing that I want. Now, let me draw you a map. Naming someone who you want to kill in a military operation, Geronimo or Dirty Nigger, might, just might seem derogatory to some people.
I mean, Geronimo at least had the virtue of bravery, even though he was crazy and sadistic. Bin Laden was the kind of guy who grabbed his own trophy wife as a shield, instead of trying to protect her.
Case in point about the oversensitivity of PC, recall that Operation Enduring Freedom was orginally called Operation Infinite Justice until there was outcry from a certain demographic that only God could dispense infinite justice. I also recall a certain President being roundly criticized for using the term, crusade against terrorism.
Dave said...
@Hoosier Daddy
Read "Once They Moved Like the Wind", an excellent history of the US Army's 30 year war against the Apaches.
Cochise - almost certainly a "renowned Native American." Geronimo? Not so much. Now it's fair to say that he learned most of his horrific torture and killing techniques from the Mexicans, who he hated even more than the Americans. It's also fair to say that some US soldiers were quite ruthless. But none really approached his level of depravity. Slowly flaying captives and slowly roasting captives were two of his favorites. And as edutcher pointed out, these were often homesteaders. Of course Geronimo's favorite game was to toss infants and small children into the air, as if he was playing with them, only to impale them on his upturned knife.
Did the Apaches have legitimate grievances with the US government? You bet! But as the years went by more and more of the Apaches turned away from Geronimo because they found his methods and approach counterproductive and "unsound."
Cochise gets something of a pass because he saw the writing on the wall and brought in most of the Chiricahuas, but he could be as murderous as any of the others.
As for blaming the Mexicans, I think that's a stretch. They may have gotten the inspiration of tying an enemy to a saguaro with wet rawhide from them, but I'll bet ants and honey or hanging someone naked over a canyon wall by one foot to cook in the sun, they figured out by themselves.
It's like the nonsense Indians learned scalping from the white man. That was started by the Lefties back in the 70s and debunked.
TWM said...
Wouldn't "Buckwheat" be a better comparison?>
Yeah, it would have been. I wish I would have said that, but I wanted to make big splash.
Wouldn't "Buckwheat" be a better comparison?
Would Christ have looked better dipped in lemonade?
We better go back and destroy "Geronimo's" house before it becomes a shrine.
Evidence pilgrims already headed in that direction.
Anyone here ever try to think up these names?
Here's reality. You're a staff officer, its 3 am, you have just written the fiftieth draft of the OPORD and endured the 30th briefing where you've crafted a workable plan while trying your best to stop the "good idea fairies" (the addition of stupid ideas that sound great to higher ups). Then you have to generate the names of the objectives, etc. You spend your brain power on the planning the important stuff. Codenames aren't important!
Same for naming intel targets. You've got hundreds to put code names to. So you pin the really important ones with a label that is easy to remember to guys in the field. But if you think more than 3 seconds of thought went into it, you're wrong.
Just saying
Joe Biden was fingering his rosary beads? Jesus, Mary and Joseph!
Allen S is quite right about this. Not as a matter of p.c. but choosing any American, native or otherwise, to substitute for OBL seems off base and wrong. "Devil" might work in a more open minded world or even "Evil" if it had not been taken already by a comedic figure.
"Yeah, it would have been. I wish I would have said that, but I wanted to make big splash."
That you did - LOL. Still, it's a valid point. I am surprised that Barry - and the military command for that matter - allowed them to use Geronimo as a code name for Bin Laden. While his actions were indeed terroristic, his legend has been watered-down so much that I am sure modern American Indians will take offense at its use here.
I guess they're just not that important of a voting block.
I wonder if the bitch, Hillary! would have raised a stink if someone wanted the code name for bin Laden "Monica."
As Biden Fondled His Beads
The Seals Made Osama's Face Bleed
The Reason We Got 'Em
Is the Fruitful Bush Doctrine
W's Gitmo, FISA and Interrogation Leads
Obama said...
“We got him.”
In the situation room, it's "we."
Which auto-transposes to "I" on the tele-promter.
The use of the code word as characterized by Politico:
Radioing a commander on Sunday, the team reported the capture with a pre-arranged signal:
“Geronimo!”
The use of the code word as characterized by CBS at the link:
"Geronimo E-KIA." . . . . Geronimo was the code name given by U.S. officials for bin Laden . . . . Apparently the code namers thought of bin Laden as a 21st century equivalent of the Chiricahua Apache leader . . .
So, is Geronimo the code word for "the job is done" or "the guy is dead"?
CBS liked the second interpretation, and plunged into full blown comparison of the life and times of the two men. Then, commentors here decided to take offense one way or the other based on an unclear, or incomplete, report of the action. It's either my weakness, or my virtue, that I wish for more complete information before getting into a fight about it.
For Synova and the rest of the teabaggers who think president Obama was merely "briefed":
From U.S. News & WOrld Report:
"Think for a minute about where we would be this Monday morning had this operation failed and resulted in the loss of American life, the killing of civilians, and bin Laden still on the loose. President Obama made a very tough call, knowing that his presidency and his political future would be in tatters if the raid proved unsuccessful.
In short, he put his political future on the line in order to rid the world of bin Laden.
And it was not a snap decision, but typical of President Obama—well thought out, meticulously planned, with constant consulting of expert advisers. It was a true test of presidential leadership.
If, as Ernest Hemingway described it, courage is “grace under pressure,” this is precisely what Barack Obama displayed."
At least they did not call him Chief Joseph.
That picture that Drudge had with Hilllary's hand over her mouth was priceless.
"Oh, my God, we killed Geronimo?"
So you pin the really important ones with a label that is easy to remember to guys in the field. But if you think more than 3 seconds of thought went into it, you're wrong.
This. Probably why they didn't use Eludium Q-36 Exploding Space Modulator. Or Foghorn T. Leghorn. Or Buckingham U. Badger. Or the Sixth Shiek.
Geronimo rolls off the tongue. Everyone in the USA can say it. Would a Pakistani know what it means? Maybe not. That's a bonus.
You're probably right, MadMan. They sure as hell would have figured out who we were talking about if the word was "Buckwheat."
Almost Ali - "Which auto-transposes to "I" on the tele-promter."
That's a bald-faced lie.
I have seen Geronimo's grave--Fort Sill, Oklahoma, near Lawton.
I heard Geronimo had a change of heart before he died. Guess I need to look it up.
There a many Indian graves there. Indians of all ages. Some were good scouts for the US Army.
"Operation Roaring Chicken" just didn't have the same cachet.
Well at least they didn't name it operation Dave Kovic.
At least I hope they didn't.
AllenS said..."You're probably right, MadMan. They sure as hell would have figured out who we were talking about if the word was "Buckwheat."
Racist prick.
Liberals already love and revere bin Laden
Really. It took the biggest liberal with the funny Muslim name, to kill bin Laden though. I bet it's just killing you that the black guy did the deed. We all know how you feel about black people. Not so much
Geronimo and his Apaches were the original Taliban. It is weird that they also got shipped to a Gitmo like prison in the desolate area called Florida.
Old Apache saying... "Better to have racist prick, than no prick at all."
As for the teabaggers who think waterboarding was instrumental in getting the information leading to the killing of Bin Laden:
There is currently no evidence to suggest that the detainees that provided the information that led to bin Laden were subject to torture.
And Bush Defense Secretary Donald Rumsfeld, who presumably has some knowledge about what went on at Gitmo, today threw some cold water on this theory:
“The United States Department of Defense did not do waterboarding for interrogation purposes to anyone. It is true that some information that came from normal interrogation approaches at Guantanamo did lead to information that was beneficial in this instance. But it was not harsh treatment and it was not waterboarding.”
They should have used the code name Milli Vanilli, or maybe Spiderpig.
Or, was that Confucius?
ADDED: Anyone want to take offense at that code name?
Offense, no. I would have picked a code name though that equated Bin Laden with something mocks him such as Operation: Farty Pants or Operation: Jersey Thing rather than one that might enhance him in the name of his followers.
They should have used the code name Milli Vanilli, or maybe Spiderpig.
Doctor Evil or Fat Bastard would have worked and not pissed off anyone but some Belgians and Scots.
More fun stuff for the teabaggers:
Washington: "By contrast, the tactics and the rhetoric of Bush’s “war on terror” -- most notably his decision to invade Iraq and the torture of Muslims in Abu Ghraib, Guantanamo and elsewhere had served as al Qaeda’s most potent recruiting tools."
And to a nation of people who, nearly ten years after the terrorist attacks in America, are overwhelmingly despondent about both of the wars launched by Bush, Obama was at long last able to deliver something that, at least for a moment, seemed like victory: "The death of bin Laden marks the most significant achievement to date in our nation’s effort to defeat al Qaeda,” he said.
Ironically, Obama’s announcement came eight years to the day after Bush famously and prematurely
...prematurely...
c'mon...take a guess...
The record of the US Army with regard to the Apache Scouts was shameful and a disgrace. These scouts were instrumental in the capture of Geronimo and then were put on the same train to prison.
It was terrible.
..."declared "Mission Accomplished" in Iraq after landing on the USS Abraham Lincoln aircraft carrier."
Now that's gotta make the teabaggers cringe.
Nancy Pelosi: if you are going to lie, lie BIG.
The Apaches were into setting ambushes and literally torturing the wounded captives to slow painful deaths. They made the US policy of moving "savage tribes" onto reservations look rational, although it was really a dressed up land grab by some 1800s versions of Donald Trump. Where can we find any Hurons to give Detroit back to?
joyce said...
I have seen Geronimo's grave--Fort Sill, Oklahoma, near Lawton.
I heard Geronimo had a change of heart before he died. Guess I need to look it up.
There a many Indian graves there. Indians of all ages. Some were good scouts for the US Army.
Geronimo converted to Christianity before his death.
As for the scouts, many tribes scouted for the Army. We think of the Indian Wars as a racial thing, but the Indians tended to see them as the farmers against the raiders.
Apaches were a special case because many served against what theoretically were their own people, although they were more a loose confederation of clans rather than a nation as such.
Lincolntf said...
"Operation Roaring Chicken" just didn't have the same cachet.
There's always Operation Hekawi. Sergeant O'Rourke would approve.
Jeremy said...
As for the teabaggers who think waterboarding was instrumental in getting the information leading to the killing of Bin Laden:
PAY NO ATTENTION TO THAT MAN BEHIND THE CURTAIN
So today, the teabaggers will spend their day making fun of the code word used by the military to identify Bin Laden...as if that has anything to do with the spectacular operation leading to his death.
By the way: "The code word "Geronimo" was apparently used because of bin Laden's ability to avoid capture for years. Like Geronimo, who escaped from a cave in New Mexico, bin Laden had escaped from the caves of Tora Bora."
Mary Beth,
You remind me of one of the great moments from Hot Shots Part Deux. :-)
edutcher - SO Rummy isn't a good enough source for you, huh?
Moron.
JeremyTeacup: You read US News and World Report? I thought so. Thanks Mr. teacup for warming our balls and giving us laugh after laugh. You have the gall to call someone a racist you homophobic teacupper?
Hoosier Daddy "As a conservative, I don’t hold a ‘romantic’ view toward Native Americans but rather a practical one that recognizes a stone age culture that meets a technologically advanced culture."
That's how you see the history of the American indian?
Home schooled?
Oh man, I love it!
The NYT is gleefully profiling an event where Obama used intelligence gathered from "enhanced interrogation" (nee, torture) to send an assassination squad into a sovereign country that poses no imminent threat to America to blow up a home while shooting everyone inside.
Why it is almost as if the 2008 campaign never happened...
I bet it's just killing you that the black guy did the deed.
Really garbage? Was he on the ground, pulling the trigger?
I would have recommended "Cthulhu" for the code name.
Also, I'm sure Joe Biden was just itching for the chance to shove those beads down UBL's throat.
BTW, this is a racist thing to code-name "scary brown guy" as Geronimo.
Jeremy said...
..."declared "Mission Accomplished" in Iraq after landing on the USS Abraham Lincoln aircraft carrier."
Bush "declared" no such thing you silly little beclowner.
Michael - I have no idea what US News & World Report has to do with the racist assholes posting here.
And what exactly is it about the publication that you find so negative?
Are you implying that it's some kind of leftist publication? (Duh)
A better question: Have you ever actually even read it?
You're just another amsll-minded teabagging racist prick trying to suck up to the rest of the crew.
Keep on suckin'.
And Bush Defense Secretary Donald Rumsfeld
And we now see how incoherent this little belcowner is.
Quoting Rumsfeld.
I love it.
Breaking news, according to Jeremy. There was no water boarding!!!
We've been hoaxed.
ps Jeremy. Reread what Rumsfeld said. He said something we have known-- the DoD did not engage in EIT.
I wonder what ever happened to George Brett?
Barry only got in nine holes the day of the takedown. The sacrifice! The sacrifice!!
Porky Pig would've been a great code name.
There is currently no evidence to suggest that the detainees that provided the information that led to bin Laden were subject to torture.
Absence of evidence is not evidence of absence.
The NYT is gleefully profiling an event where Obama used intelligence gathered from "enhanced interrogation" (nee, torture) to send an assassination squad into a sovereign country that poses no imminent threat to America to blow up a home while shooting everyone inside.
This.
If it wasn't for cognitive dissonance, the left wouldn't have any cognitive abilities at all.
Jay - Bush: "In the Battle of Iraq, the United States and our allies have prevailed."
AND:
Bush did offer a "Mission Accomplished" message to the troops in Afghanistan at Camp As Sayliyah on June 5, 2003 — about a month after the aircraft carrier speech:
"America sent you on a mission to remove a grave threat and to liberate an oppressed people, and that mission has been accomplished."
Do you ever actually read anything bedore posting teabagger drivel?
*Oh, and what exactly was the huge banner behind little Georgie on the carrier supposed to mean? DO you think he didn't know it was there??
Madison Man - "Absence of evidence is not evidence of absence."
So Rummy isn't a good enough source for you, huh?
Duh.
MayBee "Breaking news, according to Jeremy. There was no water boarding!!! We've been hoaxed."
That's another bald-faced lie.
What is wrong with you teabagging fools?
Can't read?
Home schooled?
I swear it's like Jeremy's parents let him out of a box once or twice a week for a few hours and he has to get as much leftist nonsense online as he can before they re-cage him.
After George took that long home run trot he went into the dugout. And then he saw the umpire looking at his bat with Billy Martin.
*Oh, and what exactly was the huge banner behind little Georgie on the carrier supposed to mean? DO you think he didn't know it was there??
Actually, it is SOP in the Navy to use the term mission accomplished when returning back from a mission.
Which is what happened.
Bush didn't put the banner there bozo.
OH, and as a point of fact, here is what President Bush said on that day on board the aircraft carrier:
We have difficult work to do in Iraq. We are bringing order to parts of that country that remain dangerous."
"Our mission continues...The War on Terror continues, yet it is not endless. We do not know the day of final victory, but we have seen the turning of the tide."
So yeah, dipstick, pretend he said it was all over.
That's how you see the history of the American indian?
The reference to stone age culture is a historical reference (stone, bronze, iron) which categorizes the technological level that a civilization has achieved. When the Europeans arrived in North America, the native population was still a stone age tech level. by contrast, the Greeks had achieved bronze level tech some 3000 years prior.
Home schooled?
Nope. Just schooled you but that's not saying much.
Jeremy has the winning hand today. Maybe we take up a collection for his gas money and send him to NYC to ride in Obama's car for the ticker tape parade. He can video the whole thing for us like Meade does. He might even catch a shot of Wall Street crashing as he rides by it.
"The reference to stone age culture is a historical reference (stone, bronze, iron) which categorizes the technological level that a civilization has achieved. When the Europeans arrived in North America, the native population was still a stone age tech level. by contrast, the Greeks had achieved bronze level tech some 3000 years prior."
Pfft, that's just history based on the racist bias of Western culture. Don't you know that? Folks like Jeremy know that.
By the way: "The code word "Geronimo" was apparently used because of bin Laden's ability to avoid capture for years.
They should have used Roadrunner.
Meep meep.
Jeremy said...
For Synova and the rest of the teabaggers who think president Obama was merely "briefed":
And nothing you posted indicates Obama did anything more than received briefings on the matter.
When the umpire reversed the call and called him out, George ran out of the dugout and went crazy. He tried to get at the umpire but they held him back and he was thrown out of the game.
Ironically, Obama’s announcement came eight years to the day after Bush famously and prematurely
Huh?
Bush did not "announce" anything.
Bush did not make any comments about OBL on any aircraft carrier.
You are incoherent.
Like Geronimo, who escaped from a cave in New Mexico, bin Laden had escaped from the caves of Tora Bora."
Reports are Obama had initially suggested codeword "BushFail".
"Think for a minute about where we would be this Monday morning had this operation failed and resulted in the loss of American life, the killing of civilians, and bin Laden still on the loose.
It sounds like just another day in the Afghan war.
By the way, I love how you did this:
Jeremy said...
..."declared "Mission Accomplished" in Iraq after landing on the USS Abraham Lincoln aircraft carrier."
Then retreated to:
Jeremy said...
Jay - Bush: "In the Battle of Iraq, the United States and our allies have prevailed."
Um, never was the term "mission accomplihsed" used or implied by Bush on that aircraft carrier.
Every time I see a picture of Obama with his advisors, I try to figure out which one he tried to force feed a salad.
In Mad's last link I see a couple nominees.
So Rummy isn't a good enough source for you, huh?
Suddenly you believe things Rummy says?
Duh.
Now the umpire ruled correctly and he was out but they appealed and Lee MacPhail the American League president hated the Yankees and George because he had fired him as Yankee GM ruled that the "Spirit of the Law" was violated and they had to change the ruling on the field. So they replayed the final innings and the lead stood up.
But you know what was funny? They kept the bat. You know in case they had to refer to it later and stuff.
You never know what is gonna happen after you take your home run trot. Just sayn'
Ghu (and Althouse) please forgive me for engaging Jeremy:
"The death of bin Laden marks the most significant achievement to date in our nations effort to defeat al Qaeda"
Pure fantasy nonsense. The defeat, in detail, of Al Qaeda in Iraq was the significant achievement. Getting ObL is just a little icing on that cake. Getting Zawahiri will be a little more icing (and, in truth, probably bigger in operational terms, though much smaller in symbolic significance.)
It was a dark and humid night. Sweat beaded on the brows of the brave men and women as they huddled together and leaned toward the screen.
Joe tossed aside his croissant. "I can't take another bite," he said with a grimace. Tension tightened around the platoon like an invisible net. The situation room was no place for the faint of heart or soft of spine.
I'm guessing that they used Geronimo because Goatfucker would have gotten them in trouble with the FCC.
Forgive me again, but for the sake of the lurkers:
Jeremy, you egregious piece of work, that banner was there to commend the crew of the USS Abraham Lincoln, who were returning from deployment*, for accomplishing their mission.
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*Yes, I suppose it's entirely possible that you have no idea what this word means.
Hoosier - Are you actially saying you think the American Indian population in the 1800's (Geronimo?) was an integral part of the stone age?
Pure fantasy nonsense. The defeat, in detail, of Al Qaeda in Iraq was the significant achievement.
I have to disagree, to quote Joe Biden, this is a big fu**in deal. bin Laden was the face of Al Qaeda and taking him out has a huge symbolic advantage. I don't disagree that capping Zarwahiri would not have more operational value but I don't think turning bin Laden into fish food can't be discounted as a major coup.
I will say this whether it was Bush or Obama, the decision to take him out should have always been a forgone conclusion. Fen said it best earlier that as CinC, this was called meeting expectations.
Hoosier - Are you actially saying you think the American Indian population in the 1800's (Geronimo?) was an integral part of the stone age?
Wow. Quite possibly the single dumbest thing I've ever seen posted on this blog. And I've read AlphaLiberal's handiwork, mind you.
No, you unbelievable dolt. He's saying that "stone age" denotes a level of technology a culture lives in. Stone Age is NOT A UNIVERSAL PERIOD OF TIME YOU RACIST, EUROCENTRIC P.O.S. How's that? Terms you understand?
What he's saying is that the native population of the Americas, in particular the North American "Indians" lived in a stone aged culture.
Wow. Just, wow.
Capital D "duh".
Jeremy: I would love for you to call me a racist to my face because it would give me pleasure to break your fucking nose before I started wailing on you. I find that the most satisfying sound of all, the fist to the face.
Now back to licking my balls teacup.
Kirk Parker - The banner was there because little Georgie wanted to make sure everybody understood exactly what he was saying.
Defending the banner and what he said is nothing more than teabagger bullshit and you know it.
And if the banner meant what you say, how do you exaplin little Georgie's statement a month later in Afghanistan??
Was somebody working his mouth with a hand up his ass?
"America sent you on a mission to remove a grave threat and to liberate an oppressed people, and that mission has been accomplished."
Note: "mission has been accomplished."
Fen said it best earlier that as CinC, this was called meeting expectations.
Ta-neshi Coates over at the Atlantic, when discussing things black men do or do not, says over and over again that you don't get credit for doing the right thing.
I've never agreed with that stance, but there you are.
Hoosier - Are you actially saying you think the American Indian population in the 1800's (Geronimo?) was an integral part of the stone age?
For someone who lectures people to read, you ability to read, analyze and comprehend is pretty poor.
Jeremy said...
The banner was there because little Georgie wanted to make sure everybody understood exactly what he was saying.
Bush did not put that banner on the aircraft carrier.
"America sent you on a mission to remove a grave threat and to liberate an oppressed people, and that mission has been accomplished."
Note: "mission has been accomplished."
Bush did not say those words on that aircraft carrier, you silly little beclowner.
Michael - Another anonymous badass sitting at his computer threatening harm to those with whom he disagrees.
The sure sign of an intellectually inept, uneducated twerp who can't articulate an honest or reasonable argument to defend his point of view.
If you don't want to sound like a fool...stop posting teabagger drivel.
And, as for your "homophobic" drivel...it's the wingnuts themselves who came up with the term...so learn to live with it...'cause it ain't going away.
Once again:
Jay Nordlinger at National Review admits, the term "teabagger" was introduced to the political lexicon by Tea Party movement leaders:
The first big day for this movement was Tax Day, April 15. And organizers had a gimmick. They asked people to send a tea bag to the Oval Office. One of the exhortations was “Tea Bag the Fools in D.C.” A protester was spotted with a sign saying, “Tea Bag the Liberal Dems Before They Tea Bag You.”
Tommy Christopher at Mediaite has it about right:
The Tea Partiers not only invented the term, they did so in order to inflict a similar double entendre onto the President, the Democrats, and liberals in general.
Now, they’re trying to re-cast the term as a slur, on a par with the “n-word,” hurtful to all the Tea Party members who are just ordinary moms, dads, sons, and daughters.
In emails, protest signs, t-shirts, and online, early Tea Party literature urged protesters to “Tea Bag the White House,” and to “Tea-bag the liberal Dems before they tea-bag you.”
The suggestion is that the metaphoric “tea-bags” be shoved in the mouths of the President, Democratic members of Congress, and even ordinary citizens who identify as liberal Democrats. The idea that they just didn’t know the term’s only (at that time) meaning is belied by the fact that they obviously knew it was negative (and non-consensual), since they didn’t want it done to them, and also because it only had one meaning.
I think the code name Geronimo would be appropriate if the burial at sea was accomplished by flinging the body out the back of a C-130.
by flinging the body out the back of a C-130.
Hysterical. Or tying it to a bungie cord and dropping it off a high bridge.
Jeremy
As I am always interested in advancing the knowledge of those who seek it, I encourage you to visit this link and see for yourself.
Scroll down to the 'Three-age system resumptive table' and note the categorizations of the three levels (stone, bronze, iron) and you will see that the descriptions of the Stone Age pretty much describes Native American society at the time Europeans arrived, and by and large well into the 19th century.
You're welcome.
Jay - "Bush did not put that banner on the aircraft carrier."
Are you actually saying little Georgie, stepping up to the microphone...didn't know the fucking banner was hanging there?
He didn't know what it meant or even inferred in reference to his speech?
Yeah...sure.
Ta-neshi Coates over at the Atlantic, when discussing things black men do or do not, says over and over again that you don't get credit for doing the right thing.
What does that have to do with being black?
Are you actually saying little Georgie
Such RESPECT Jeremy shows to the President.
Jeremy whining... WHY can't you teabaggers show UNCONDITIONAL LOVE for MY President!!!!!
Too funny, ironic, hilarious, sad.
What does that have to do with being black?
Excellent point and one I used to bring up constantly. In the context of his blog, though, it's mainly referring to a black man that stays married and raises his kids. TNC tends to be a bit defensive about that issue as he's of the opinion, and rightly so for what I know about the guy, that he's doing the right thing by his kid(s?) and it's a righteous stance.
Really, I can't bear to hear the defense of the term "tea bagger" from anyone in a party that goes BONKERS if you say "Democrat" Party instead of "Democratic Party".
Scottie - Why do you even respond to any of my comments?
It's a waste of your time and my time.
Fuck off.
In the context of his blog, though, it's mainly referring to a black man that stays married and raises his kids.
Then he needs to look around the neighborhood and see the white married guys raising their kids haven't been given medals of honor for it, either.
When the media wants to puff JFK's Presidency, they put up the Cuban Missile Crisis. We see pictures of JFK, his face graven with anxiety and determination, weighing the conflicting opinions of his advisers. Thank God that in such a moment we had such a leader of sobreity and judgement, serenity and determination...Well, ok, but there are other narratives of the Cuban crisis and JFK's Presidency. We never get to see pictures of JFK's furrowed brow as he decides to commit more troops to Vietnam or knock off Diem and Castro....The death of Bin Laden looks not like a replay of the Cuban crisis but a replay of the media's portrayal of that crisis. We see pictures of Obama, Biden, and Hillary with their faces reflecting the same rapt concentration and determination. These are all grand leaders. Just look at the pictures......Well, the operation was a success and full credit to Obama. He really did the right thing. If the unemployment rate falls below 6%, the deficit drops, and the Dow goes over 15,000 it's a game changer for me, and I will surely vote for him.
It's a waste of your time and my time.
And yet you still take the time and effort to respond. Plus, you were unwhitewashably wrong and won't admit it. Always a bonus.
I would have given bin Laden the code name:
Jeremy
....and then just hope for the best!!
MayBee - But it is the "Democratic Party."
And of course, you already know that.
And you also know exactly why the term "Democrat Party" is used by the GOP, teabaggers, wingnuts and other far right fringe groups:
(Wikipedia)
"The term has been used in negative or hostile fashion by conservative commentators and members of the Republican Party in party platforms, partisan speeches and press releases since 1940."
Just as liberals love to use the term "teabagger."
*And what's great about it is the fact that the teabaggers brought it upon themselves.
Duh.
Jeremy said...
Are you actually saying little Georgie, stepping up to the microphone...didn't know the fucking banner was hanging there?
Huh?
Who cares is he saw the banner.
He didn't put it there.
He didn't say "mission accomplished"
He didn't say the GWOT was over.
You are a babling be-clowner.
Then he needs to look around the neighborhood and see the white married guys raising their kids haven't been given medals of honor for it, either
Honestly, I think that's his point. I knew him somewhat outside the blogspace and he's a pretty levelheaded, decent guy in just about all respects I knew personally. Like I said, I think he takes the stance because he thinks he's expected to be unremarkable in regards to "doing the right thing" when the reality is that, given the stats, it IS remarkable in a lot of cases.
Jeremy...Geronimo...pretty close.
I like it.
*Do you and others here scream "JEREMY" right before slipping under the sheets at night?
Michael does...
Jeremy - did you ever once show the proper respect to President Bush? If not, consider yourself a clown.
Jeremy said...
Fuck off.
Mind you, not too long after saying:
The sure sign of an intellectually inept, uneducated twerp who can't articulate an honest or reasonable argument to defend his point of view.
Why it is almost as if you're a silly liar.
Jay - So little Georgie thought the banner was related something other than his speech?
They just, from time to time, hang "Mission Acomplished" banners on aircraft carriers?
Give it up..
Bob is right. Code names are usually chosen with very little thought, except with the thought that they are classified and not anyone's business outside a small group of people who assign no importance to the specific words chosen. They probably just chose a theme for this and that. Indians for Al Qaeda, maybe Disney characters for Taliban, and NFL teams for various cells. It's usually that simple.
They almost assuredly avoided any easily discerned relationship between the code name and the codee, because IT'S A CODE. If names get out, they wouldn't want anyone to figure out who was who based on the code names.
Jeremy said...
Jay - So little Georgie thought the banner was related something other than his speech?
Um, no.
It is funny to watch you try and pretend Bush said "mission accomplished" or that it isn't a long held tradition within the military to use the term mission accomplished when returning home from a mission.
Obama might have been thinking he needed a smoke.
Alex - I, like others, respect the fact that George W. Bush was our president, but I also feel he was the worst in our nation's history.
And for anybody here to whine about me calling him little Georgie...is beyong ridiculous...considering the kinds of things said about president Obaama on a daily basis.
Even now, after overseeing an operation that has taken out Osama Bina Laden, most here just can't bring themselves to give the man the credit he is due...trying their best to somehow give the credit to little Georgie.
It's a sad commentary on the entire teabagger crew that frequents this site every day.
First silly little Jeremy asserted that Bush proclaimed the mission was accomplished.
He did no such thing.
Additionally, silly little jeremy posted this in a thread about OBL when neither are related.
Then silly little jeremy was reduced to providing a truncated quote from GW from a speech 3 months later.
Now silly little jeremy is reduced to saying "Bush saw the banner"
Hysterical.
I, like others, respect the fact that George W. Bush was our president, but I also feel he was the worst in our nation's history.
Clown. You have no objective criteria to define best to worst, but of course the LAST GOP President is the WORST ever. You're a tool.
William - "When the media wants to puff JFK's Presidency, they put up the Cuban Missile Crisis."
So that's how you see it...as "puffery?"
Duh.
Suburbanbanshee said...
I mean, Geronimo at least had the virtue of bravery, even though he was crazy and sadistic. Bin Laden was the kind of guy who grabbed his own trophy wife as a shield, instead of trying to protect her.
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Bin Laden was a brave guy, he risked himself in combat many times against the Russians and Northern Alliance. He was directing Taliban-AQ forces in Kandahar and at Tora Bora. His minion KSM holds the record for enduring more waterboarding than anyone, inc. spec ops America soldiers and CIA operatives that had it done to them until they broke. Another brave tough Islamoid.
But bravery and getting military Hero-hood conferred doesn't necessarily put a moral imprimatur on anyone.
Adolf Hitler was a bigger war hero than John McCain (I was captured and I suffered!) could dream of being. Castro, Benedict Arnold - war heroes.
"And it was not a snap decision, but typical of President Obama—well thought out, meticulously planned, with constant consulting of expert advisers. It was a true test of presidential leadership."
Oh, good grief. He deserves credit for making the right decision, and for it having gone off well. But it's not like it was that hard of a decision, for Pete's sake. He campaigned on this issue. He knew all the country would cheer even if something went wrong, just for being aggressive and trying to get him.
Kudos for being right, but let's not pretend it makes him look thoughtful.
Interesting inside account of the operation...not that many here will read it...
http://nationaljournal.com/whitehouse/the-secret-team-that-killed-bin-laden-20110502
Jeremy said...
Hoosier Daddy "As a conservative, I don’t hold a ‘romantic’ view toward Native Americans but rather a practical one that recognizes a stone age culture that meets a technologically advanced culture."
That's how you see the history of the American indian?
Home schooled?
They're the academic elite these days, although I'm willing to bet Hoosier is university-educated, but back when it meant something.
PS His assessment of the Indian Wars above is on the money.
PPS Stone Age can refer to relative cultural and technological states as well as a time frame.
Which the perpetually-aggrieved seem to be incapable of understanding.
Skyler - "Oh, good grief. He deserves credit for making the right decision, and for it having gone off well. But it's not like it was that hard of a decision, for Pete's sake."
Skyler...reporting from his computer keyborad bunker on how easy the "decision" was for Obama.
Because he campaigned on it.
Wow....that's deep.
Which the perpetually-aggrieved seem to be incapable of understanding.
Don't bother. His incapacity to admit mistake is only rivaled by his capacity for vitriolic generalizations.
Scott M said...
by flinging the body out the back of a C-130.
Hysterical. Or tying it to a bungie cord and dropping it off a high bridge
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While media reports were Binnies body was "respectfully slipped" into the water after all the PC rituals were done....
My recollection is that Nuke Aircraft carriers move fast and it is a long way down from the deck (80 feet or so). So the body likely hit the water after a long fall with a satisfying "Whap", then "skip, skip, skip" along the surface...then "Glug!"
And we can hope that after the Muslim cleansing ritual as the PC squad turned to some lowly enlisted sailors to "sew the body up in a bag" - the lowly enlisteds had brought down some pork chops served in the Navy Mess room.
So what is the Obama Doctrine now?
Looks like the local teabagger crew is in disagreement with...
Former Vice President Dick Cheney declared, “The administration clearly deserves credit for the success of the operation.”
New York’s former mayor, Rudolph W. Giuliani, said, “I admire the courage of the president.”
And from Skyler: "Oh, good grief. He deserves credit for making the right decision, and for it having gone off well. But it's not like it was that hard of a decision, for Pete's sake. He campaigned on this issue."
Scott M-
What concerned me when you wrote:
Fen said it best earlier that as CinC, this was called meeting expectations.
Ta-neshi Coates over at the Atlantic, when discussing things black men do or do not, says over and over again that you don't get credit for doing the right thing.
was that I thought you were implying that because Obama is black, he isn't going to get credit for doing the right thing.
I didn't understand the introduction of race into the conversation.
"enhanced interrogation" (nee, torture)
Hey, hey, hey!! It's not torture any more. The English language is a living, breathing entity. The meaning of "enhanced interrogation" has changed.
Trooper - Here's another article that points out that DNA is not as open and shut as many think. A DNA sample from his mother would allow a very solid ID as he was her only child (by Osama's father anyway). But, Osama has many siblings by his father, and as of right now, that seems to be the only DNA they have which means it's Osama or one of his male siblings.
Of course, we all know that Obama is great, courageous, smart and wise for creating this success and we should all bow before him (before he bows to another sheik).
So what is the Obama Doctrine now?
Lets put it this way, when it comes to using deadly force, I will be the first to say he isn't squeamish about it. I'll give him that.
Further to the use of the code-name "Geronimo" by US special forces to identify Osama bin Laden – there's a long-rumoured connection to the Bush family.
According to a legend of the mysterious Skull and Bones club at Yale university, Geronimo's skull was stolen by club members, including a scion of the Bush family. The New York Times reported in 2009:
"Geronimo died a prisoner of war at Fort Sill, Oklahoma, in 1909. A longstanding tradition among members of Skull and Bones holds that Prescott S Bush – father of President George Bush and grandfather of President George W Bush – broke into the grave with some classmates during World War I and made off with the skull, two bones, a bridle and some stirrups, all of which were put on display at the group's clubhouse in New Haven, known as the Tomb."
http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/richard-adams-blog/2011/may/02/osama-bin-laden-dead-blog#block-21
This should make the local teabaggers feel good:
5/3/11 - Pew Research Center Polling: 56% say they approve of the way Obama is handling his job as president while 38% disapprove.
was that I thought you were implying that because Obama is black, he isn't going to get credit for doing the right thing.
I didn't understand the introduction of race into the conversation.
As far as I'm concerned, race doesn't enter into it. Fen's comment about it being the CnC's job to do what the President did, implying no more, no less. The President, being black, fit TNC's old stance.
Given the possible horrible outcomes, and I'm very sure Eagle Claw was very much on President Obama's mind the entire time, it was a brave call and I'm very thankful it worked out the way it did. The Pakis have a lot of 'splaining to do, mind you...which probably tickles the Indians to no small amount.
Hoosier Daddy "Lets put it this way, when it comes to using deadly force, I will be the first to say he isn't squeamish about it. I'll give him that."
I may have to have a few shots of tequila after reading that.
Are you suffering a mini-stroke?
Alex, agree. To a liberal, the worst President ever will always be the most recent Republican one. The most stupid President ever will also be the most recent Republican one.
Jeremy said...
Looks like the local teabagger crew is in disagreement with...
No, they disagree with Jeremy who wants to give credit to Little Zero alone.
Hoosier,
Please tell me you're just misunderstanding me. Getting ObL was significant, but THE most significant achievement? Not on your life--turn it around and ask, what would be the situation if ObL was gone but the defeat of AlQ in Iraq had never happened?
MayBee,
'a party that goes BONKERS if you say "Democrat" Party instead of "Democratic Party".'
Yeah, mystifies me, too. Sure, I understand wanting to be called by your actual name, but the reaction always sounds like they think "Democrat" is insulting somehow...
Trolly Trollson,
"They just, from time to time, hang "Mission Acomplished" banners on aircraft carriers?"
No, you clownissimus, but it's something that they might sometimes do on a carrier that's... wait for it... returning from its mission.
Oh, forget it; I'm sure you don't understand quantum physics either.
As far as I'm concerned, race doesn't enter into it. Fen's comment about it being the CnC's job to do what the President did, implying no more, no less. The President, being black, fit TNC's old stance.
Ok, I still don't understand why Obama's race was introduced into the conversation, but I'll let it go.
DADvocate - Throw out the DNA.
But...
Washington: Osama Bin Laden's 12-year-old daughter watched her father's killing by the US forces, it was reported on Tuesday. The US special force shot and killed bin Laden at a Pakistani compound in Abbottabad, 60 kms from Islamabad.
Jeremy said...
This should make the local teabaggers feel good:
5/3/11 - Pew Research Center Polling: 56% say they approve of the way Obama is handling his job as president while 38% disapprove.
1 Don't take anything for granted unless Rasmussen says it.
2 As someone said here yesterday, "That will change the next time people go to a gas station".
Amazing operation all around. From the planning to the execution.
Who cares that they used the word Geronimo? Seriously. It's like some right wingers are looking for every possible excused they can find to belittle this accomplishment. It’s as if they cannot stand to ever see good news if it involves a Democrat or Obama. Sour grapes indeed.
But anyone with a brain ought to be able to realize that if you acknowledge that Obama made a good decision it doesn't mean you now have to embrace everything else he stands for. Why is it so hard for some right wingers to just admit the planning of this was pretty good and leave it at that?
Yes, Obama didn't pull the trigger. But as Commander in Chief he has some say in this process.
I was no fan of Bush but on occasion he did some good things as well.
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