I'm seeing some assertions about this on blogs and in YouTube videos, and it's wrong if not unfair and deceptive. I don't have my own video, because I mishandled the button on my camera, but I was right behind the Tea Party crowd amid anti-Tea Party protesters who were making a lot of noise trying to drown out whatever was coming from the podium. They were, in fact, succeeding in their purpose so well that they could not hear when the national anthem began.
I started walking forward and it took a while for me to recognize the anthem. My observation was that those who could hear it were not booing. The "rockets red glare" line seemed louder, and there was a noticeable hushing that extended back into the anti-Tea Party areas of the crowd.
Meade and I have observed some of the most raucous rallies at the Capitol over the last 2 months, and the national anthem was sung many times, by the protesters themselves, and we witnessed respect for the anthem. In fact, you could go into the rotunda and start singing the anthem and people would go silent and even sing along with real feeling. They might have resented having to switch to solemnity when they were into raucousness, but they knew very well that they had to at least look like they respected the anthem.
Outdoors, yesterday, the acoustics were distorted, the anthem began unexpectedly, and the noisemakers were into their thing, drowning out the tea partiers. You cannot infer disrespect for the national anthem. But if you want to get back at people who are trying to drown you out, it's a good trick to start singing the anthem, while video-recording.... though maybe that's not properly respectful of the anthem.
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"So if Obama comes campaigning to one of these towns, and we're able to gather enough people to pound drums, rattle bleach bottles, blow horns, and scream profanity so that he cannot be heard, you'll be perfectly all right with that."
Sure, why not?
Why not? Why not infringe on other Americans' constitutional rights to peaceably assemble and express their rights to free speech?
If you truly believe there is nothing wrong with that, garage, I am seriously and profoundly disappointed in you.
Lombardi Chick, how many times do you think you have to repeat your mantra of liberals are unpatriotic before I or an other liberal believes it. I belong to a Navy Moms group that has many many liberals and Democrats.
"Yes many liberals are totally pissed by his many non-logical flip/flops."
What are they doing about it?
Being "pissed" isn't enough. Action is required.
What actions are they taking?
"If you truly believe there is nothing wrong with that, garage, I am seriously and profoundly disappointed in you."
Of course he believes that. He says it in virtually every post he makes.
How could you possibly be disappointed?
Garage is nothing if not consistent about his bootlicking.
"I belong to a Navy Moms group that has many many liberals and Democrats."
And do you believe that free speech includes shouting down those whose views diverge from your own, in order to prevent their speech from being heard by others?
Why not? Why not infringe on other Americans' constitutional rights to peaceably assemble and express their rights to free speech?
again, last summer the Tea Party stormed public townhall meetings on healthcare and got real loud, and I don't remember you having a problem with that. And nobody was even infringed upon yesterday. They spoke, some booed, and everyone went home.
Ann Althouse said...
This post was written in response to this comment in the previous post, which has a url to a YouTube video titled "leftists booing star spangled banner." I'm not linking to that video because it doesn't deserve a link.
So, this was about one video? Not as you asserted in the post?..."I'm seeing some assertions about this on blogs and in YouTube videos"
So, your post was about one url in your comment section about one video. So why the use of the words assertions, blogs & videos. That "s" on the end of each of those words is different than what you are asserting here.
Ut said...
You're not linking to that video because it totally belies your entire post and you don't want people to see that video of leftists booing our national anthem.
Ironically, the person taking that video is talking (while the national anthem is sung) about how the the lefties are showing disrespect for the national anthem. His companion then noted (while the national anthem was still being sung) the moment when the lefties catch on and quiet down.
"We're big boys and girls. You don't need to hide videos from us. Link us to them and we'll make up our own minds."
It's obvious how to get to it from what I said. Why are you saying I should *link* to it?
"So, your post was about one url in your comment section about one video."
No. I also Googled and saw that it was an active subject, which is why I linked to my Google search. That was enough to make me want to present my direct observation.
I seriously don't get what your problem is. (You're sounding like a troll, so I recommend doing what you can to avoid that label, because I am at the point of ignoring you. The next thing you say needs to be worthwhile or I will be skipping your comments in the future.)
@Lombardi Chick That video is without context. I can't tell who those people are or what just happened. That's the kind of thing that gets a lot of attention, which makes me suspect it was edited to get attention.
If the right tries to scream and bang on drums when Obama speaks, all he has to do is turn his tele-prompter around so people can just read his speach.
I don't know. That's the best I can come up with.
garage mahal said...
"...and I don't remember you having a problem with that."
Your problem then is with your memory.
Were you at the Palin rally yesterday, garage? Were you booing? Blowing horns? Ringing cowbells?
@Stephanie... sorry, I thought your comment was another comment from UT. I wouldn't have written that to you. It was UT that struck me as a troll in the past. I'm not out of patience with you.
We can give the left the benefit of the doubt about booing the national anthem.
No, about them all chanting "Fuck you" in unison to Governor Palin, that was pretty clear.
What actions are they taking?
(29) million 2008 Obama voters stayed home Nov. 2010 and the House is now controlled by boehner/cantor.
Soooo what are boehner/cantor doing or do they agree w/Obama re: all his military decisions.
Posted this at another forum a couple days ago:
Obama’s No-Shows: 29 Million
November 03, 2010 4:32 PM
One way to look at yesterday’s election is to say that about 29 million Obama voters from 2008 simply didn’t show up this time around.
Here’s how: Current estimate is that 90 million people voted. Exit poll says 45 percent were Obama voters in 2008. That’s 40.5 million voters.
In 2008, Obama won 69.5 million votes. So about 29 million Obama voters did not show up in 2010.
Exit poll also says 45 percent of people who voted yesterday were McCain voters in 2008, again 40.5 million. That, vs. his nearly 60 million in 2008, means about 19.5 million McCain voters did not show up.
So Obama had nearly 10 million more no-shows.
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Sadly, change "we" can believe in died on election day 2008 ie real financial reform, realistic health care reform, environmental protection, etc.
As always America survives despite itself and did I mention boehner/cantor now have the ball in their court.
Ironically one of the best things Obama has going for him are the newly elected Rep governors in OH, PA, ME, WI, FL, VA, NJ, NM, NV, AZ etc.
Again, elections come down to choices and a perfect politician has yet to be found ~ go figure.
Althouse: "Why are you saying I should *link* to it?"
Because that's the honest thing to do. Why would you NOT link it? Not linking to it is transparently akin to wishing that it not be seen.
You say it is "unfair" and "deceptive" to criticize this booing and disrespecting that the video clearly shows occurring as if there is no basis upon which to criticize.
Clearly, there is a rational basis to criticize these people for their disrespect. And the video shows that.
It is neither unfair, nor deceptive, in my view, after watching the very video you claim doesn't show anti-Tea Party activists booing, cat-calling and otherwise disrespecting the National Anthem.
You don't want to link to the video because it shows what you say it doesn't show. I can think of no other reason why you would not embed the video.
I say, embed it. Let your very intelligent readers make up their own minds about what it shows or what it does not show.
We don't need you as a gatekeeper.
That's OLD MEDIA.
Be new media.
LINK. EMBED. INFORM. Don't preach.
Ann, you not jumping all over this is what gives your blog credibility. I like some red meat to pounce on just as much as the next guy. But as we all know, so many blogs are about getting as many people worked up as possible, even if what they post isn't quite true.
I'd rather be informed than just have my biases confirmed.
@Lombardi Chick That video is without context. I can't tell who those people are or what just happened. That's the kind of thing that gets a lot of attention, which makes me suspect it was edited to get attention.
4/17/11 9:20 PM
Then I need help with this one. What context would make that behavior acceptable?
Breitbart video, that says It all,hahaha. So WHO was that African American man yelling at?
shiloh said...
As always America survives despite itself and did I mention boehner/cantor now have the ball in their court.
You mentioned it, but you are wrong. The Senate and the WH are still under Democrat control. That does not put the ball in Boehner/Cantor control.
Apfelkuchen said...
Breitbart video, that says It all,hahaha. So WHO was that African American man yelling at?
That was not a video taken by Breitbart, as he was in WI when it was taken. The video was first on You-tube, and he just embedded it to his site.
Do you dispute what is being said? How hard is it to figure out who they are shouting at, if you just listen to their words?
"It was UT that struck me as a troll in the past."
Oh, well then you can disregard my criticism of your reportage.
Since, you know, I'm just a troll.
Nothing to see here, move along.
You have a tendency, Ann, to act just like a liberal Democrat.
But I'll shut up now.
You explained.
I suppose I have to come down on the side of "you can't cheat an honest man."
I could concede that the crowd did not purposefully yell "Koch Sucker" or other rude things at a 14 year old (who may be as tall as an adult, but isn't going to *sound* like one) or purposefully boo "God Bless America" or purposefully boo the national anthem or even, perhaps, purposefully behave rudely during a prayer.
But nothing could have tricked them into doing any of those things had they been respecting other people's right to speech and assembly.
They could not have been "cheated" had they been "honest" at the outset.
Why *not* hold them accountable for what they couldn't hear? Why not? Simply being decent people would have saved them from all of it because they could have heard what they were boo'ing. The only fair conclusion is that they didn't care what they were boo'ing or drowning out, no matter who or what it was.
The real comedy is the defense for not showing respect for the anthem:
"We were protesting what they were saying up there so hard and so loud that we couldn't possibly be expected to know what they were saying up there."
Heh heh heh.
Stephanie, all legislation originates in the House, but yes, w/out compromise between House/Senate/Executive nothing much is gonna happen.
Reps (Just say no!) policy is a tad more "circumspect" now that they control the House.
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Of course many Reps will be happy if nothing happens the next (2) years.
As a die hard conservative, Nate Silver blogger said after Obama's election (2) years ago ~ Ain't governing a bitch! which boehner is now finding out trying to keep all his TP'ers happy!
"How am I supposed to know what's going on up there, man? I been shakin' this cowbell to keep people from hearing it!"
What's "financial Martial Law"?
Michigan has a new law wherein the Gov can appoint to a city an Emergency Financial Manager of his (her?) choosing, and that EFM can do just about anything they want to do.
This meme is the newest lefty combo of ignorance and bullshit. Such laws are not unusual. Pennsylvania has Harrisburg on fiscal life support under similar laws. Given the pension time bombs that could start going off all over the country, it's hardly a bad idea.
One thing that puzzles me: when the lefty protestors see these videos, see the anger and hate and bile and the boorish behavior they are engaged in, do they think that this wins anybody over to their side? Do they think that this persuades any one in the moderate middle that their cause is right and just? The video that Lombardi Chick linked to in particular, is vulgar and vile, racist and repugnant. Do they think this wins them any votes? Cause, let me tell you, the exact opposite is true. Decent people can't help but be repelled by this display. They might as well be recruiting for the right.
Blogger Apfelkuchen said...
Lombardi Chick, how many times do you think you have to repeat your mantra of liberals are unpatriotic before I or an other liberal believes it. I belong to a Navy Moms group that has many many liberals and Democrats.
Mantra? Why are you characterizing my handful of posts here as a "mantra"? I'm offering my opinion, based on my observations, just like you are.
I told you that I don't doubt you now some patriotic liberals. Did you miss that part of my post? You seem a little overly defensive on this point.
If we have a right to peaceably assemble, does it not logically follow that disruption of that assembly whether by a government or by intent by another group of citizens violates that right?
Just a non lawyer asking.
The only fair conclusion is that they didn't care what they were boo'ing or drowning out, no matter who or what it was.
Exactly. The entire point of the exercise is to emphasize the point that they decde who gets to speak and who doesn't.
shiloh said...
Stephanie, all legislation originates in the House, but yes, w/out compromise between House/Senate/Executive nothing much is gonna happen.
That compromise is something that someone needs to explain to Reid and Obama, then.
You're really kind of funny how selective you are as to who should be doing the compromising. I guess the election in Novemeber meant nothing, right?
Your problem then is with your memory.
If I am wrong, you could link to it and I would certainly retract
Were you at the Palin rally yesterday, garage? Were you booing? Blowing horns? Ringing cowbells?
Nah, not even when Breitbart told me to go to hell. I laughed. I took some pics, some video, and went home. I did what I did at the last Madison Tea Party. Observe.
Breitbart video, that says It all,hahaha.
I guess Breitbart used his super sekrit powers to make those people act like pigs, or he just edited out whatever legitimate justification there was for screaming racial taunts at a black man, huh?
I'll ask you: What context makes it acceptable for people to behave that way? Is there a circumstance in which you condone racial taunts? We may not know what started it, but we damned sure can see what's in it. We can reasonably surmise from what they're yelling that they're yelling at a black man.
What more do you need to know to say it's bad behavior?
God, getting people on the left to call this stuff "bad" is like pulling teeth. Why is that? I honestly want to know.
"I wouldn't click on a Breitbart link if my life depended on it.
Translation: La, la, la, I can't hear you!
Decent people also do lot like seeing ranting screaming TPers spitting in the face of a Congressman
That didn't happen. Did. Not. Happen. I've already had the debate about this with someone on the left who produced a video of the supposed incident, and he had to backtrack and admit he was wrong.
It's a lie.
"How'd the counter-protest go?"
"It was awesome. We showed those teabaggers what's what."
"Sweet."
"I was screaming at them to shut up the entire time."
"Did you get to counter their arguments with our arguments?"
"Oh yeah, sure. They were up there making arguments or whatever they were doing, and we countered them with yelling and hooting and cowbells and drums and shit. They were all like, 'blah blah blah' and we were like, 'Fuck you, Koch suckers!' It totally ruled."
"So what were they saying?"
"I have no idea."
"..."
"Dude, we were countering them so hard that no one could hear anything they said."
"Then what were you countering?"
"Oppressive teabagger fascists. Duh. You gotta listen better, man."
shiloh said...
True, interesting in Iraq/Afghanistan under cheney/bush much of the security/construction etc. was subcontracted to Halliburton, Blackwater/Xe etc. as these industries did quite well under Bush43's hierarchy.
Lot of grey area in the U.S. Constitution ...
So who did you expect to do this type of large construction/security type of work? There are only one or maybe two other companies that do this kind of work. Who did you want to do it?
Is everyone missing the point that the Tea Party had a permit to protest where they were? The anti-tea party protesters had a permit to protest elsewhere. Yes, by coming over to where the Tea Party were protesting, and doing everything they could to disrupt it, the anti-tea party protesters were infringing on the rights of those who were permitted to be there, and to have their speakers heard.
I guess the police in WI allow their union brothers and sisters to do whatever they please.
DECENT people also do not like seeing screaming TPers spitting in the face of Congressmen, or calling other Congressmen racial epithets or insulting other Congressmen about their sexuality, or holding up signs with President Obama as a native with a bone through his nose, etc, etc, etc. What rank hypocrisy.Or stomping on the head of women, or putting a report under some sort of illegal arrest.
Apfelkans, you know those events didn't occur. If you can't win in a debate, you just make up lies about your political opponents.
Apfelkuchen said...
DECENT people also do not like seeing screaming TPers spitting in the face of Congressmen, or calling other Congressmen racial epithets or insulting other Congressmen about their sexuality, or holding up signs with President Obama as a native with a bone through his nose, etc, etc, etc. What rank hypocrisy.Or stomping on the head of women, or putting a report under some sort of illegal arrest.
4/17/11 10:03 PM
And, decent people don't tell outright lies that can be easily disproven.
Stephanie, Obama got (69.5) million votes in 2008, (7.5) million more than cheney/bush in 2004 and the minority senate set a historical record for filibusters. As they probably thought "we the people" made a mistake, eh.
The yin and yang of pissed off minorities, trying to quelch the will of the majority.
btw, Ryan and his cronies trying to eliminate Medicare is pure genius, I tell 'ya.
When you find yourself in the majority, it's time to pause and reflect! ~ Mark Twain
It's truly the worst case scenario for Reps ie control the House and not control the Senate.
btw, thank you Angle, Buck, Christine "I'm a 41 y.o. virgin witch" O'Donnell etc. ie thank you teabaggers.
You Bet'cha!
You TPers are truly the Queens and Kings of denial. Did NOT happen? Oy.
apfel, if you are going to make up a lie, try to make one up that is not so easily disproved.
Keep telling yourself those things happened, Afpel.
Oh, someone did have a rude poster. Sometime last year. I suppose in the tolerant land of free-speech-liberals someone should have torn it up and shouted the guy down.
Meade said...
If you truly believe there is nothing wrong with that, garage, I am seriously and profoundly disappointed in you.
Why do you take this fool seriously? In fact, why do any of you take this unmitigated fool seriously? He's shown that he has been on the wrong side of every issue since he's been here. I ideological zealotry is about as indefensible as the fact that he actually believes his own bullshit to begin with.
Elliott A said...
"If we have a right to peaceably assemble, does it not logically follow that disruption of that assembly whether by a government or by intent by another group of citizens violates that right?
Just a non lawyer asking."
It's a good question. I'm not a lawyer either but as you probably know, I live with someone who teaches law students. Here's what I think I know: Our constitutional rights are rights against our government. Governments have powers, citizens have rights. So our first amendment freedom of speech is a limit on our government's powers.
That's the law.
But there is also the American value of free speech. That value is what was being trashed by the anti-Tea Party Palin haters yesterday.
Ever notice nobody here ever responds to your comments, Angry Baby? Or should I say, tantrums.
Apfelkuchen said...
Lombardi Chick, how many times do you think you have to repeat your mantra of liberals are unpatriotic before I or an other liberal believes it. I belong to a Navy Moms group that has many many liberals and Democrats.
They by-in-large are. The face that they belong to a Navy Moms group is irrelevant. What does that have to do with it. Oh, their children just so happen to be the patriotic ones who are risking and sacrificing their lives. Live in your fantasy to think that any of these people who are liberals/leftists don't harbor anti-american sentiments. They may love this country, but not for the same reasons that normal, traditional americans do.
shiloh said...
...As they probably thought "we the people" made a mistake, eh.
When you find yourself in the majority, it's time to pause and reflect! ~ Mark Twain
When the majority of the American people are telling them they don't want their BS crap, yeah it's time for them to listen up.
You may want to reflect on your Twain quote.
Apfelkuchen said...
You TPers are truly the Queens and Kings of denial. Did NOT happen? Oy.
Post your proof. You can't, but we can show the proof that it didn't.
garage mahal said...
Ever notice nobody here ever responds to your comments, Angry Baby? Or should I say, tantrums.
I don't have the attention whore syndrome like you do, you bloated ofal. Why anyone takes you seriously is a mystery. You've shown time and time again that your ideas are wrong, that they are mired in a putrid ideology based on nothing more than emotional wish fulfillment. You prove that and so does your cadre of other like minded degenerates. You are a disgusting excuse for an American.
"Nah, not even when Breitbart told me to go to hell. I laughed."
Breitbart told YOU to go to hell? I thought he was saying that specifically to the people who've been lecturing us on civility and language. I didn't realize that was you, garage.
"I took some pics, some video, and went home. I did what I did at the last Madison Tea Party. Observe."
Okay. Thanks for respecting my free speech values as I respect yours.
(Still, would have killed you to speak up and say hello when I walked by? Snob.)
This is the kind of civility that has come to be expected of some in the union. Nice things to scream at a 14 year old. Especially since that union member was supposed to be where his group had permits to protest, and it was not where the Tea Partiers were permitted. So, I don't think anyone was actually speaking to him, and especially not lecturing him. Nice bunch of folks those union guys. Think he talks to his kids that way?
http://tiny.cc/5en3k
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I'm embarrassed for you.
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I don't think you get to demand people jump for you, and swallow BS canards for your political delight, and if they don't, you get to pass judgment.
Where's your damn blog? Post it yourself, to your own audience?
I think the coverage of these protests has been pretty good. What do you want? The commies look stupid enough without foaming at the mouth about it.
DECENT people also do not like seeing screaming TPers spitting in the face of Congressmen, or calling other Congressmen racial epithets...
It did not happen. The congressmen chose to walk through the crowd to try to provoke a reaction. An interesting aside: they felt safe enough to do this without security people! Unlike Republican state senators in Wisconsin.
In order to document the egregious behaviour they hoped to provoke, they filmed the whole thing. Photos and cell phone videos show Jesse Jackson, Jr. taking video of the protesters during the walk.
Yet no one could produce video of anyone yelling the "n" word. NO ONE. If you can, there's $100,000 waiting for you at Breitbart.com.
There's no video. There's other video in addition to what the Rev's son shot. In addition to the lack of screaming of racial slurs, what's interesting about this video is that the behaviour of the people contradicts the claims of congressmen. Crowds of people and some are "screaming the n-word" - wouldn't you see some people turn around and look at the source of that slur? It's not something you typically hear screamed in public, unless you're a black conservative at a liberal gathering, particularly if there's union goons about :). Yet NO ONE looks around to see who's screaming "n--ger"
Anyway, after initial breathless accounts of multiple protesters screaming the n-word, the congressmen then refused direct comment, referring those questioning their story to the congressmen's spokespeople.
Powerline Blog did much to document that the claim of racial slurs being hurled is a lie.
They did a 17 part series on this incident and document in detail substantial evidence that the accusations were completely false.
"If we have a right to peaceably assemble, does it not logically follow that disruption of that assembly whether by a government or by intent by another group of citizens violates that right?"
We generally view free-speech as rights against the government, however, it seems completely possible for a private citizen to violate someone's civil rights and they get sued for it all the time, don't they?
I tend to think that our courts come down too far on the side of enforcing the freedom of private citizens to make their own choices, but what else is it when, oh, someone sues because someone else didn't hire them because of some "protected" status? Certainly our right to speech and our right to assemble is even more firmly and clearly (explicitly!) given in the Constitution.
I don't think that other private citizens have the right to take that away simply because they aren't the government.
Not that they succeeded, but the point is that no one is pretending any other intention but to deny others their right to speech and assembly.
Here's a link so that you can collect your $100,000 by sending video proof of the many people who sreamed the "n-word" at that Tea Party protest on Capitol Hill.
Enforcing *against* freedom... or something. I think our courts go too far in restricting individuals.
But they do it, and I would think that the precedence is on the side of enforcing against private citizens who violate other citizen's constitutional or "civil" rights.
Oh, and I neglected to mention, I guess because they've become increasingly unreliable and thus irrelevent, that there were numerous media outlets filming this walk through the crowd. After all, it was a historic occasion. Yet no video evidence exists. And no member of the media ever stepped forward and said that he/she actually heard the slurs which, according to Rep. Andre Carson, were screamed 15 times.
Amazing what the media will print as fact.
Hey, give Apfel a break. He mentioned the bone-in-the-nose poster, which someone had at a Tea Party protest a year ago or so, and that was true, so at least one thing in the laundry list really happened.
Not that I think anyone is going to get anywhere complaining about protest posters being rude. Not when the practitioners of the new-civility in the hyper-civil, white-bread, mostly-Scandi Madison gave it up for calls of violence.
Too embarassing.
The people who were there to counter the tea party were, for the most part, the furthest of the left (Think ISO, SDS, Campus Antiwar Network types), along with the TAA. Many of those types do not like America at all. I know that some people in the counter demo did have respect and stopped booing, but the majority did not, precisely because they were the craziest of the crazies.
garage's liberal fascists try to shut down free speech because they do not like what democracy looks like. Garage is such a sad puny little man.
shiloh, those Obama voters decided not to show up because they are disappoint in Obama. Is that hard for you to understand? They wanted more Republicans for the dems are an epic fail.
Stephanie
@220 million eligible voters.
169 million registered voters.
90 million registered voters voted in 2010.
40.8% of eligible voters voted in 2010.
Generically Reps had (5) million more voters nationwide in 2010.
Rep = 47.5 million
Dem = 42.5 million
Soooo Reps got 21.5% of eligible voters in 2010.
btw, Dems got 19.3%
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Stephanie congrats on your 22% majority in 2010.
America, what a country! :-P
It truly is amazing America has survived as long as it has considering most of us don't really care about democracy.
shiloh,
Your buddy Clinton also gave Halliburton/Blackwater a no-bid contract while he was in office. Any complaints from you guys on that one? No complaints at the time.
dick
My main complaint is Uncle Sam is paying Halliburton/Blackwater employees 4/5 times their normal salary, because otherwise they won't go to Iraq/Afghanistan when "they" the U.S. Govt. should be training its own military personnel to do the same jobs ie more cost effective.
ie madness.
And yes, I blame Obama for continuing cheney/bush's madness, but they get more blame for having started the misbegotten, unnecessary, idiotic madness.
ie 30/40 years from now "we" will see what cheney/bush's Iraq democracy looks like, but it will probably implode wayyy before then. Hell, it's already imploding as generals are sayin' "we" withdrew the troops too soon.
and so it goes ...
Shiloh, are you really as dense as you portray yourself?
A midterm election always turns out less of the electorate. I haven't actually looked at the figures, so I'll go with yours. If 40.8% of eligible voters voted in '10, that's a damn good turnout for a mid-term.
How does it feel to lose over 700 seats to Republicans? Gave up quite a few state legislatures and governorships, huh? Kind of chaps, doesn't it?
Oh, poor Shiloh. Who's fault is that, again, if we pulled troops out too soon in Iraq? Would that be the same president that got us into a 3rd war in Libya? The same president that sent boots in by executive order, in secret, 3 weeks before he went to the UN? Uh, what's his name, again?
Ann Althouse said...
This post was written in response to this comment in the previous post, which has a url to a YouTube video titled "leftists booing star spangled banner." I'm not linking to that video because it doesn't deserve a link.
4/17/11 8:55 PM
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I'm surprised at you. What that link does is prove you WRONG. Someone was filming from right in the middle of the anti-tea party protesters, and it was very obvious that they DID hear the anthem being played, and some absolutely DID continue to boo and try to drown out even the anthem. So, accusing people of posting videos and being dishonest about what they depicted is dishonest of YOU, when there is absolute proof available.
Stephanie, your having a keen grasp of the obvious notwithstanding and changing the subject ad nauseam just to gloat, which is fine ie yes, Reps had a wave election in 2010. Congrats! It was in all the papers, tv and the net.
Again congrats and please keep on gloating as it seems to fulfill an emptiness in your life.
I'm a realist, knowing things can change quickly in politics. You may have missed what I already said here a couple times ~ Having grown up in the 60s, never thought an African/American would be elected president in my lifetime so everything else now is just gravy er icing on the cake.
So no, I'm just fine. Having survived 5+ years of Nixon and (8) years of cheney/bush, (2) years of boehner ain't nothin' but a thing. :-P
Also knowing how the election of Barack Hussein Obama put many conservatives in the fetal position Nov. 2008 it's good that you had something to smile about re: the mid-terms.
Again, all fame is fleeting, especially in politics.
After LBJ's '64 landslide pundits said how will Reps recover ... '64/'65 Civil Rights Acts/Vietnam War/Race Riots/'68 Chicago Dem convention disater, RFK assinated, etc. = Nixon elected w/43.4% in 1968.
After Nixon's '72 landslide pundits say how will the Dems recover ... Watergate, Nixon violating the U.S. Constitution every which way to Sunday, Ford pardons Nixon, etc. = Carter elected w/50.1% in 1976.
btw, I voted for McGovern in '72, so I got used to disappointment at an early age, whereas a die hard conservative at another blog grew up during the age of Reagan, who he considered a demi-god, so the election of Barack Hussein Obama hit him like a ton of bricks.
He may still be receiving psychiatric care as we're not too sure lol.
And please Stephanie, continue to gloat as freedom of speech is your constitutional right.
take care
Denying fellow citizens the right to free speech is orders of magnitude worse than making noise during the national anthem or other patriotic songs.
Since Althouse must realize this, my guess is that Althouse's "defense" of the Dems (i.e. that they were making so much noise to drown out the the Tea Party speeches that they could not hear the national anthem) is not bona fide. It is more likely a passive aggressive way of attacking the Dems.
On a totally different topic, maybe Meade could do some posts on gardening. First suggested topic: what is the easiest way to get rid of ivy? Ivy root systems are unbelievable and getting rid of ivy is super irritating and difficult.
Apfelkuchen,
I found this post interesting, first, because you're asking someone who's going on and on with a topic most of us have said he's wrong about. And, second, because it's so clear you don't get any more of this than he does. Here's the post, line-by-line:
Ut, so why do all you Tea types read her blog so faithfully?
Because she's an old school liberal - more interested in ideas than ideology - so we feel comfortable with her even when we disagree.
No wonder you Tea types distrust her.
We don't distrust her. We'll just call her on it if she's wrong about something. She's welcome to do the same to/for us - that's a big part of why we're here.
Why does Vicki McKenna portray Ann as some sort of compatriot?
I don't know who Vicki McKenna is (by that name).
This is all quite interesting.
Very.
You folks are all so confused, at least we libs know WHO we are and what we stand for.
No, we're not - some of us are conservatives, some of us are liberals, some of us are moderates - we're all defenders of free speech, to the extreme, and proud of it. And, no offense but, most libs have no clue what they stand for - if they stand for anything at all - but that doesn't matter because the only real question is "What will you die for?" and while we also know most liberals will roll over for practically anything that reeks of power, we "values voters" and "social conservatives" are all quite firm on that, too.
I know my last sentence will be an opening for a barrage of insults, you all are so predictable, except maybe Ann.
Nope, I'll spare you - See? Totally unpredictable. Ann's predictable in some ways - she's practically a FemiNazi. I'm predictable in others - I'll bite your NewAge head off. But we're individuals. And we're sharing in a unique form of communication and community. Nothing more. We're definitely not confused about what we're doing here, you are:
This is Freedom of Speech in action.
"shiloh said...
Stephanie, all legislation originates in the House,"
Hmm? What?
Oh, you skewed the facts again for some silly partisan reason? Maybe you actually believe this?
btw, it's so funny that Shiloh called Stephanie's argument mere gloating (when it's not... it's a bona fide point about the will of the people today) and then goes on a nutcase gloating spree about the election of the miserable failure administration.
As usual, obnoxious refusal to respond logically.
It is interesting TGI et al AA lemmings rail against the few liberals here 24/7, but when we're not part of the discussion, conservatives still mention our names lol ie C4 must surely be missed when he takes a break from the ad nauseam minutia.
The earlier discussion about the national anthem when conservatives and teabaggers we're arguing over nonsense was somewhat entertaining.
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ok, here's a Linda Richman topic:
Jimi Hendrix's version of the Star Spangled Banner ~ Disrespectful or not! :-P
Discuss ...
Wingers talk amongst yourselves.
btw TGI, I was rather nice to Stephanie as getting really nasty at a political blog is pointless.
"Governments have powers, citizens have rights. So our first amendment freedom of speech is a limit on our government's powers."
So Meade ... when a bunch of government officials, members of a union of government officials, show up at a rally organized by actual ordinary citizens whoa re not part of the government, and those government officials disrupt that rally with the intent of drowning out the speech of those citizens, isn't this clearly a violation of their oaths of office and a violation of our Constitutional rights?
These anti-Tea Party protesters aren't just regular old citizens expressing a contrary view.
They ARE the government. And we need to punch this fucking government back twice as hard.
"Wow, Althouse gets lambasted by her own people because she has the guts to be honest. You Tea Partiers are your own worst enemies."
Hilarious. When we call opponents out on getting the facts wrong, we're called partisan and liars. When we call allies out on getting the facts wrong, we're "enemies."
Or, perhaps, we all just like the facts, untarnished by excuse or ideology. When people get things wrong, it's worth correcting them. No matter what side of the argument they're on. Anyone who claims otherwise only demonstrates they're more interested in rhetoric than the truth. And that's bullshit.
Some booed, others didn't. The video that Ann won't link to has the music clearly audible. The fact that anyone would boo is simply foreign to people in most parts of this country.
Not every person in Madison has called me a baby killer when they have seen me in uniform, but enough of them have for me to form my general perception of the people of the city.
Garage - You suggest that a constituent "getting real loud" with his or her own congress person is no different than a foul mouthed, cow bell ringing leftist shouting profanity into the ears of a 14 year old girl.
check.
"Nope, I'll spare you - See? Totally unpredictable. Ann's predictable in some ways - she's practically a FemiNazi. I'm predictable in others - I'll bite your NewAge head off. But we're individuals."
The Crack Emcee -- Telling it like it is, with frankness and grace.
Meade said...
(Still, would have killed you to speak up and say hello when I walked by? Snob.)
We keep missing each other. If/when I see you I of course will say hello!
I was stationed right in front of the "T" in the large signs to the right of the audience.
I did in fact hear someone Boo-ing during the National Anthem. I did remember thinking that the protesters did get real quiet during that time, but there was at least two distinct voices Boo-ing.
That's the kind of thing that I will remember for the rest of my life and will remember each and every time I hear a Lib whine about their perceived "rights". I will remember how they disrespected our National Anthem.
got back from KY from a morel mushroom hung (which was fabulous) and waded thru 285 posts on this thread --OK I dont have a life--
Mushroom hunting is much more pleasurable than political invective--
I think Crack has it nailed down--after all the sturm and drangst he cuts to the chase.
Well done crack.
One last point--its easy to put people into boxes and when you do, you attribute to individuals your personal perceptions of groups--there are good people and bad people on both sides of the question. this ability to stereotype leads us to make some very silly generalizations.
And Lombardi Chick--marry me :)
Oh--and Shiloh: would be interested in who makes your list--please share.
oops--its sturm und drang apologies--austrian is not my first language :)
We must all learn that "TownHall Meetings" are gatherings where we show up in silence and give our reverence to our Democrat leaders-- our betters. We must kiss the ring of our Kings(D) and Queens(D), bow, grovel and say "thank you".
We must all learn that "TownHall Meetings" are gatherings where we show up in silence and give our reverence to our Democrat leaders-- our betters. We must kiss the ring of our Kings(D) and Queens(D), bow, grovel and say "thank you".
Not to mention that they were just trying to give their subjects something and the ingrates had the gall to yell and scream at their betters. For shame.
We must all learn that "TownHall Meetings" are gatherings where we show up in silence and give our reverence to our Democrat leaders-- our betters. We must kiss the ring of our Kings(D) and Queens(D), bow, grovel and say "thank you"
No, just don't cry tears when the tables are turned.
Q: What's disgusting? A: Free speech busting.
"Denying fellow citizens the right to free speech is orders of magnitude worse than making noise during the national anthem or other patriotic songs."
Steve Koch gets it. Let's keep our eye on the ball, folks - the take-away of Saturday's demonstrations is that one side respected the other side's free speech -even when that other side - the Palin-haters - tried to use its free speech to disrupt, annoy, drown out, and intimidate the first side. The Palin-haters demonstrated that they are illiberal, childish, disrespectful, uncivil, and undemocratic. Some of them even demonstrated their lack of respect for the national anthem and were so intent on booing their opponents that they appeared to be booing the national anthem itself. That is what their idea of democracy looks like. It is repulsive to most Americans.
At least one person on the other side, garage mahal, to his credit, was embarrassed enough by what he observed being demonstrated by his fellow "liberals" and "democrats" that he got tired of it all and went home.
Good move, garage. No, really - good move.
Apfelkuchen said...
"DECENT people also do not like seeing screaming TPers spitting in the face of Congressmen..."
These are lies. You are a liar. No more attention need be paid to you because one must always defensively assume that any statement coming from a proven liar is a lie.
So then, Apfelkuchen. As it has been established that you are a liar, we can assume that the story about your daughter being in the Navy, your Navy Mom group, the feedback your Navy daughter gives you about politicas in the Navy....all this must be taken as lies. As a proven liar, you can not be extended the courtesy of belief that one extends to people who do not lie. You have to provide proof for any statement you make or your history demands that we take them minimally with a very large grain of salt.
BTW: I did not believe any of those statements to start, but would never have said so until you revealed that you are indeed a liar.
Oh--and Shiloh
oops
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Oops indeed, but not to worry as many of AA's lemmings have developed a shiloh fetish! :-P
And between Brenda's over-the-top inane melodrama and wingnut chickenhawk B's self-righteously calling someone a liar as AA's flock is known to do daily, this blog really has become quite tedious/boring ~ ad nauseam pics of dogs/fashion/landscapes notwithstanding ...
take care, blessings
You are as gratuitous a liar as Apfelkuchen, shiloh. Nothing you say can be taken at face value. Your opinion means nothing.
BTW: Chickenhawk? Why do you think I had my doubts about Apfelkuchen's claims in the first place? You're not just a liar. You're stupid.
B, thanx for not disappointing by calling me a liar.
Your, as well as AA's flock, daily m.o.
and thanx for replying since, as you say, Your opinion means nothing. lol
take care
Strange, I could hear it was the National Anthem OVER their booing. But they couldn't and shut up? Spare me. They're a bunch of worthless thugs just like the Union bosses that put them up to such crap. Wake up America. Our country is going to hell because of such that claim to be Americans but show their true color if they don't get their way.
The level of vitriol here seems to match what I've found on other blogs, whether they favor the right or the left. Both sides have an apparent inability to acknowledge their own embarrassments, the extremists in their camp who engage in hostility, racism, threatening violence, etc.
I didn't take this photo
at the Palin rally, so I cannot vouch for its integrity, but signs like this do show up at Tea Party rallies.
http://www.facebook.com/event.php?eid=164799016908247#!/photo.php?fbid=10150560754765397&set=o.164799016908247&type=1&theater
And, yes, I've seen equally repugnant signs and behavior at the labor rallies.
Neither side has the corner on civil behavior. And both sides harbor embarrassing cranks, those who would rather insult and threaten to punch than carry on in civil discourse.
I don't agree with most of what Ann writes, but I respect her intelligence and wit. I cannot say the same for many who post comments here on her blog.
And, yes, I've seen equally repugnant signs and behavior at the labor rallies.
Neither side has the corner on civil behavior. And both sides harbor embarrassing cranks, those who would rather insult and threaten to punch than carry on in civil discourse.
Indeed, but AA's daily meme is liberals are 100% worse than conservatives.
No deviations allowed as the phrase rose-coloured glasses is applicable.
Ann - You conveniently forgot to mention the insults being hurled at the 14 year old girl who was singing our Anthem...."whore, slut...."
It hard to re-write history in this age of technology....too bad for you and your kind.
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