That's Maureen Dowd. She's going there. Into the realm of violent metaphor, visualizing shooting the President. It's an amusing riff, but it's an image I would self-censor.
In any event, I agree with a lot of her mockery of "Sarah Palin's Alaska":
Sarah checked her freezer at home before she flew 600 miles to the Arctic, trying to justify her contention that she needs to hunt to eat. Wasn’t it already stocked with those halibuts she clubbed and gutted in an earlier show?For the price of all that plane-flying, couldn't you just mail-order a freezer-full of meat?
“My dad has taught me that if you want to have wild, organic, healthy food,” she pontificated, “you’re gonna go out there and hunt yourself and fish yourself and you’re gonna fill up your freezer.”
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This reminds me of one of those ubiquitous "How to Go Green" features that regularly appear in our local arts rag. An entry suggested that to be green, one should avoid chicken and beef, and eat more fish. Of course, in our landlocked little city, this would mean trucking in fish via gas-guzzling, exhaust-spewing vehicles. Meanwhile, our local chickens and cows are begging us to eat locally.
Just one more drop in the bucket of nonsense that makes up the religion of Greenism.
Carry on with your regular discussion.
Is food merely food? Is there not a spiritual connection between hunter and prey, and if not what were the Indians complaining about at the Little Bighorn?
wv: boilici - it's better to cook the soup here than over there.
I don't think the show's producers consider the local Piggly Wiggly to be "Alaska." And nobody wants to watch an hour of her sitting on the couch, ordering meat from the Schwan's catalog. If you want scenic vistas, desolate snowscapes, and intriguing wildlife, you need to go to the arctic. Thus "Sarah Palin's Alaska." Not "Sarah Palin's 'Hood." If it were simply for sustenance, and not for the show, she probably would have hunted locally, and everyone would have changed the channel.
Disclaimer: I have not seen the show.
For the price of all that plane-flying, couldn't you just mail-order a freezer-full of meat?
In a sense you're mocking the DIY ethic, is that it?
Mail-ordering wouldn't save any animal life. It's questionable whether it would save any energy--all things tolled. It does teach and propagate the notion of removing the killing of animals from the eating of them, which is a very urban ethic at best.
I thought we already went through all this with the Thanksgiving turkey slaughter interview tape?
I saw that episode, but I din't realize that it took six shots. Admittedly, I didn't watch very carefully, I was busy w/ other stuff.
Also, I didn't know that Dick was shooting birds from a net. Maybe that is common.
P.S. I also have not seen the show, but I did grow up in a family that didn't hate hunting.
Trying to justify shooting the caribou is a little silly. The real justification is:
(1): Hunting is fun.
(2): Caribou are tasty.
Trying to justify in on the basis of needing food for the winter doesn't really work for a person in Palin's situation. My guess is that they know that many Americans are squeamish about hunting and wanted to include something to mollify them.
Sarah's had a better deal than most human beings. She's lived to the age of 46. She had 5 beautiful children, only one of whom is retarded. She was smart, happy, and beautiful for most of her life. She had a nice, handsome husband with a big cock.
She should be ready to die now.
"The elegant animal standing above the fray, dithering rather than charging at his foes or outmaneuvering them, is Obambi [...] so that we can all unite at a higher level of being."
In America, even an increasingly dissociative, quasi-functional (at best) crack whore can achieve a not-insignificant portion of fame... career success... and all the lead paint chips she can contentedly munch between column assignments, curled up fetally in the far corner by the laundry hamper and humming a little hum.
Alaska has a tradition of subsistance hunting and foraging a Manhattanite like Dowd would not understand.
Not just "for noble Native Americans only to access", but all Alaskans.
Yes, it is true that many Alaskans could subsist with the good money they have (including noble NAs) entirely on food imported from the Lower 48. But that is not the tradition. Not the Alaskan way.
So leave Dowd to her scalded alive wild-caught lobsters and wild Minnesota blueberries and fresh baby squash jetted to her chef from Guatemala. Well fed, to then talk about Palin "jetting around and getting food from remote places", clubbing a halibut.
Cue Manhattanite liberals and progressive Jews lecturing even Native Americans - that with evil oil revenue - they no longer need to hunt baby whales or kill any precious caribou.
Treacle wins the thread!!!
In any event, I agree with a lot of her mockery of "Sarah Palin's Alaska":
Oh common..
Hunting goes on in Alaska.. Palin hunts.. the show producers are going to show Palin hunting.. Somebody thought she should say something to justify it.
Maybe they should fire the writers..
People who hunt like to go hunting. They take trips to go hunting. Lots of people do it, especially people living in Alaska.
That is probably difficult to understand, especially people who write columns for the NYT or teach Con Law (not that there is anything wrong with teaching Con Law).
With that said, I don't really care for Sarah Palin; however, I do think there is an odd obsession with her and I really wish the media would scrutinize our sitting politicians as much as they scrutinize this lady and her family. Sure, she is feeding it with television shows and her almost campaign for president; however, the media is supposed to be somewhat intelligent.
I like Palin a lot, but I just watched a video at WSJ of her shooting that critter and she's a terrible shot. Maybe something was wrong with the scope on her rifle, but wow she sure comes off as an amateur.
She should be ready to die now.
Welcome to the blog, Ms. Griffin.
(The Crypto Jew)
A Great Statement from a hotiar.com comment……
What’s too funny is that you can’t escape the fact that the Palin h8ters (and lovers) are watching her show and reading her book and basically hanging on her every word all the while whining about how she won’t go away and be quiet!
Jenfidel on December 8, 2010 at 3:57 PM
I’m a Palinista myself, and the Life Partner is a Herman Cainiac, but in the words of the country song, “How Can I Miss You If You Won’t Stay Gone?” I mean for an irrelevant quitter, with no chance of nomination OR election, this womon sure can get the Press!
She probably could have eaten at McDonalds every day for the next year, but it isn't healthy. Besides, stuff like this drives liberals crazy, and that's a good thing.
Drew wrote: Just one more drop in the bucket of nonsense that makes up the religion of Greenism.
Well said. Hundreds of thousands of well-heeled urbanites pay premium prices for organic groceries and "slow food" restaurant fare despite the absence of objective benefit to organic or slow food beyond the more conventional sustenance available at the corner Safeway. For Dowd (and by extension Althouse) to sniff haughtily at Palin's preference for wild food smacks of yet more elitist snobbery.
Hey.. layoff the professor.
This is not an EE tread.
Drew - I can't speak for your local rag. But one of the core concepts of what you call "greenism" is eating local.
Of course, if you live in minnesota and want to eat local vegetables, then you grow them in energy intensive hothouses.
The point? Being green has nothing to do with very specific rules, but more to do with being conscious of your local realities and responding to them in the most efficient way possible.
Treacle wins the thread!!!
Handily. That was laugh out loud funny.
chickelit: "Treacle wins the thread!!!"
me: wrong. ann wins the thread. my post is a variation on something ann wrote about elizabeth edwards in a comment in a prior post. it's such a horrific thing for ann to write. but it's train-wreck bad. we must all look at it. thus, i modified it and vomited it into this post.
Here's a link to the WSJ video I'm talking about.
Once Obama leaves the White House, he'll be able to have his own show. First episode: Obama goes out and eats a waffle.
my post is a variation on something ann wrote about elizabeth edwards in a comment in a prior post.
Exactly. That's why you win the thread.
I saw the Homer Spit and halibut fishing episode. The scenery is great- a pundit has already predicted the show will spur the vacation industry in Alaska. I agree bigtime.
Treacle said...
chickelit: "Treacle wins the thread!!!"
...yada yada
I knew all that treacle. I still think you win the thread for your sense of humor.
@garage
High Five!!!
Bitch! Bitch! Bitch!
Palin's supposed to consult Althouse and Dowdy before she does anything.
Bitch! Bitch! Bitch!
We're all just junior high school girls, right?
Bitch! Bitch! Bitch!
Okay, which insensitive brute dragged the corpse of Elizabeth Edwards into this thread? Shame, shame, shame.
@Treacle
"She had a nice, handsome husband with a big cock"
Sounds a bit like the voice of experience. Most men wouldn't say that.
@chickelit
If this thread was Treacle's member, I think you just swallowed.
So the Palin clan wanted Surf and Turf on their menu. Only a Bloomberg subject could decide to know best about another's diet of caribou meat. So the Iron Man Todd is half eskimo and hunts his tribe's favorite game. How does this make news??? Oh yeah, everything touching on Sarah Palin's life is guaranteed popular material. Who is this woman? (As to the waste of money flying in a plane, that was part of her popular Alaska Travelogue series.) Am I missing the SCANDAL here? Dowd gets the same boos that Kathy Griffin got for more of the same cheap shots taken to build up the D lister's PR for profit.
"Exactly. That's why you win the thread."
The win -- and who appointed you thread judge? -- should be revoked because of that leaden explanation.
Okay, which insensitive brute dragged the corpse of Elizabeth Edwards into this thread? Shame, shame, shame.
Some other poster yesterday predicted that something like this would happen "within the first twenty-four hours" after Ms. Edwards' passing... but I honestly can't recall which one that might have been.
That person, whoever they are, is today's assigned "Prophet of the Day."
Of course, if you live in minnesota and want to eat local vegetables, then you grow them in energy intensive hothouses.
You've never heard of rutabagas and turnips? Dee-licious root vegetables that keep keep keep?
ann althouse: "The win -- and who appointed you thread judge? -- should be revoked because of that leaden explanation."
me: don't petty, ann. you get the blog. you get a chunk of my amazon dollars. let me have this win - even after i tried to deflect it.
I fish a lot, and maintain a small boat and the cost of a slip to do so. If the object were solely the cost, I'd buy fish at the market.
I'm thinking thread-wins shouldn't be revoked by future posts. Otherwise, I'll lose my thread win on 6 July 2009 because of this lame addition.
I don't understand the problem with her hunting when she eats the results. Why is it inherently better to have things killed in a slaughterhouse or have someone else do the fishing?
Answer: It's not. It's worse because it separates you from the consequences of your actions much more so than an infrared scope does.
The commercial slaughterhouses are generally far more diseased and inhumane.
I truly don't get this reaction to the hunting aspect. (Southpark Guy, I'm looking at you). I find it quite a bizarre disconnect.
I live in suburban L.A.. There's no chance in hell I'm going to hunt, but I've always wanted to from the time I was a child. I have fished.
I'd think everyone would appreciate this, vegetarians too because it shows what meat-eating really entails. Don't like it? Become veggie.
DaveW: Thanks for the link. This appears to have been a long shot since the sound of the rifle did not spook the target. Next, she dropped the target on the first shot with the second rifle indicating the first had a scope that was not properly sighted or a gun of a lower caliber. Didn't look amateurish at all. Unless, of course, you have yourself never killed a large animal with a rifle at long range.
Mail ordering meat costs money, Althouse, including shipping/flying it in. When you've got five kids and have to have enough food to feed them for something like 7-9 months, you don't mail order; you hunt. Dowd is a NY harpy who doesn't get it cuz she ain't married with children. You don't feed your family halibut all winter. You vary your protein sources.
Well, Professor, you don't really need to do all that skiing and bicycling in order to get those pictures, do you?
You surely can get at least almost as good ones from the Internet or the rack at Walgreens', right?
"People who hunt like to go hunting. They take trips to go hunting. Lots of people do it, especially people living in Alaska. That is probably difficult to understand, especially people who write columns for the NYT or teach Con Law..."
That part isn't difficult for me to understand. What is difficult to understand, indeed, impossible to believe, is that 3 people took a private plane from south Alaska to north Alaska and camped and hunted for days because they needed to get meat for the freezer.
My experience of Alaska is limited only to Sitka, but there food costs at least twice as much, generally.
It all has to get there by plane or barge, you see.
People who don't have a lot of money hunt and fish, or they have a registered hunter harvest game for them.
The Palins have money now, and could probably order a freezer full of meat delivered by plane, but most Alaskans can't.
Yeah, it took several shots cuz the sighting of the scope on the rifle was out of alignment and nobody knew until her dad tried it. She was seeing the caribou but the bullet was consistently going high. When she got a gun with a properly functioning scope, she dropped the 'bou in one.
...he’s trying to be the most reasonable mammal in the scene, mammalian bipartisan, and rise above what he sees as empty distinctions between the species so that we can all unite at a higher level of being.
This makes me want to barf more than Kathy Griffith's butt did.
Why do you have to justify hunting? Do you justify what you eat and buy ever time you do one or the other? Why are cows never described as an "elegant animal?"
Humans have been hunter/gatherers for eons.
Drew - I can't speak for your local rag. But one of the core concepts of what you call "greenism" is eating local.
Yeah, that's my point. Someone should clue in the silly greenists who write simplistic nonsense like "To be green, eat fish instead of chicken or beef!" without thinking about the logistics.
(The Crypto Jew)
That part isn't difficult for me to understand. What is difficult to understand, indeed, impossible to believe, is that 3 people took a private plane from south Alaska to north Alaska and camped and hunted for days because they needed to get meat for the freezer.
No, they “needed” some scenes for their TV show….D’Uh! But that doesn’t obviate the advantages of hunting, in general, just mayhap hunting in THIS PARTICULAR CASE.
Ankur said: "...if you live in minnesota and want to eat local vegetables, then you grow them in energy intensive hothouses."
Running a heated greenhouse in a Minnesota winter is anything but "green". "Being conscious of your local realities and responding to them in the most efficient way possible" means spending at least four months out of the year eating mostly potatoes and canned/salted/dried foods like your great-grandparents did.
In the end, "green"-ness seems always to return to poverty.
Prof A, there are lots of interesting criticisms to be made of Gov. Palin, but this isn't one of them. One would as well criticize hunters in the lower 48 for getting to their hunt-sites by car instead of taking a Greyhound.
Indeed, Gov. Palin using a plane to get to a hunting area would seem to fit better with your recent -- and IMHO entirely valid -- observations about why liberty-loving Americans prefer private vehicles to public transportation when they have a choice. It's just that in Alaska, that private vehicle often has a propeller and wings.
You should visit Alaska, if you haven't. One thing even casual visitors from the lower 48 notice is the ubiquity of private pilot aviation -- indeed, it's something I believe that Gov. Palin pointed out in a previous episode.
Sarah Palin is, thank goodness, no Al Gore or Nancy Pelosi. It's not like she has a Gulfstream that she tools around in. Indeed, one of her first acts as governor, was to sell off the luxury jet that her predecessor, Gov. Frank Murkowski, had bought for the state despite opposition of the state legislature. (She famously promised to "put it on eBay" while running against Murkowski in the GOP primary, and then was criticized, unfairly but as usual, for selling it through more conventional and profitable means instead of through eBay -- "another broken promise," according to her slavering critics.) Now that she's a private citizen again (albeit one who both suffers from and exploits the intense public interest in her), she and her family famously flew commercial -- and coach -- to see the Dancing With the Stars competition.
The reason single-engine prop jobs -- like the Piper Cub after which one Palin daughter was named -- are so common in Alaska is that over the long term, they are, indeed, cost-effective when compared to the other means of transport that are (or, in Alaska, mostly aren't) available. Alaska suffers, ironically, from the higher fuel costs than the lower 48 that it supplies oil and gas to, so of course that factors in as well. But if a micro-economist started toting up and comparing the costs and benefits, I suspect that the Palin family's hunting trips make at least as much sense for them as your trips to the grocery store (or wherever) in that very sharp-looking Audi we saw dusted in snow this week on your blog.
Why are cows never described as an "elegant animal?"
Same reason Maureen Dowd generally isn't, I shouldn't wonder.
jamboree: Yours is an honest evaluation of hunting. I don't know of any hunters who do not have a reverence for life and an appreciation for what they have taken when they kill. Plus, if you are up to your elbows in guts and blood then you will not revisit that scene unless you love it.
She had 5 beautiful children, only one of whom is retarded.
My mother had 6 children but 3 are retarded. They grew up to be liberals.
(The Crypto Jew)
In the end, "green"-ness seems always to return to poverty.
FOR YOU, it does…but not for AlGore or Prince Charles or the head of the IPCC…they’ll still eat well.
ann althouse: " What is difficult to understand, indeed, impossible to believe, is that 3 people took a private plane from south Alaska to north Alaska and camped and hunted for days because they needed to get meat for the freezer."
me: i have friends in nyc who will only eat beef grown organically in argentina, killed there and shipped to nyc. by contrast, flying further north in your own state to get a caribou is like walking to the butcher down the block.
You also have to consider, Ann, that Alaska is huge and large parts of it cannot be got to from other parts.
For example, Juneau and Sitka have no road connections to the rest of Alaska.
Your ideas of what's economical and what's not simply may not apply.
Sarah is no Annie Oakley. She did not even hold the rifle correctly. But she has Todd the eskimo and Track the marksman badge holder in the family too. They will still be eating when food riots are sweeping over the lower 48 because the Chinese have bought and shipped it all home at the inflated prices that they can afford and that we cannot.
@kent That's a close second for thread winner at 3:25 PM.
Far be it for me to judge a thread-win, but we seem to have a bi-partisan consensus. Me and chickelit anyway.
Why do I get the sense Althouse is pushing us to defend Palin..
Perhaps on the notion that if she runs we Palinistas might as well start getting acquainted with the barrage that's certain to come.
There should be a hunting season for political pundits.
And no limits.
Professor: Small private planes are how you get around up there. There are damn few roads, paved or unpaved, in the state. As far as I know it is illegal to buy or sell caribou so you either hunt it or get it from a friend who does. You can probably get more than a hundred pounds of dressed meat from a single beast. Probably not cost efficient when compared to pot roast, but then Sarah doesn't spend a lot on things others might deem essential.
You don't have to rent a plane and pilot for a hunting safari if you just need meat, in the same sense that you don't have to spring for an Audi TT if you just need a car. But you can.
Plane flying doesn't cost a lot, if you have a plane.
Wanna know who's a real hunter?
Rielle Hunter
@kent That's a close second for thread winner at 3:25 PM.
[::doffs hat politely::] Thank'ee.
Althouse wrote: "What is difficult to understand, indeed, impossible to believe, is that 3 people took a private plane from south Alaska to north Alaska and camped and hunted for days because they needed to get meat for the freezer."
Why is that difficult to understand? I don't get it? I think she said something about the hunting grounds there. We're not talking about a couple of steaks here, we're talking about meat for the whole winter and using an entire animal, including its guts. We're talking sausage, bones for soups, steaks, stew, velvet, the whole nine yards. It's quite likely they killed more than one 'bou cuz we're talking about three different freezers.
Palin also said that she and her husband usually make the trip together but she went with her dad, likely for the sake of the vid.
Traditional Guy: She killed the beast with the first shot on the second gun. That animal was hell and gone from where they were or it would have been on the horizon on the first missed shot. I would give her an A for marksmanship. An A+ for not editing out her misses with the first rifle.
On the other hand, caribou (New World subspecies of reindeer) are what pull Santa's sleigh. If you see a fat man in a red suit on Christmas Eve with only six or seven reindeer (caribou) pulling the sleigh, you know you can direct some more hatred in Sarah Palin's direction.
Violent rhetoric and imagery have been a part of the Obama machine from day one.
For the umpteenth time in my life, I take solace in the ineffectuality and cowardice of the Left. If any of them believed half of what they say, this country would be in perpetual violent revolution.
Screw 'em. They idolize mass murderers like Che while praying for ones like McVeigh.
I certainly don't think that Sarah Palin is immune from criticism, but I really DO think that criticism needs to be INFORMED, and people who have never lived in or visited Alaska are unlikely to have very informed opinions on what is cost effective.
My relatives who lived in Alaska invariably filled up a big truck with stuff from Costco every time they came to Washington and drove it back. A freezer full of pot roast has to travel thousands of miles by plane, boat, truck or some combination of the two.
Ann Althouse said...
"What is difficult to understand, indeed, impossible to believe, is that 3 people took a private plane from south Alaska to north Alaska and camped and hunted for days because they needed to get meat for the freezer."
Probably they could have chosen to go somewhere closer, unless southern Alaska has been overrun by Californians in recent years.
The cost of the plane is probably less than the cost of the same quantity of meat in a supermarket in Anchorage. Moreover, you have the dual satisfaction of knowing exactly how your dinner was obtained and prepared, as well as knowing that your own labors can and do sustain your family.
So would it have been better is she just said
I like to hunt?
Sarah Palin took an airplane to the hunting area because there isn't a high speed train that goes there. I'm surprised nobody thought of this before me.
WV: uncent
Kent,
That's another goof in Dowd's column; the animal Ms. Sarah shot was a cow.
Lem said: "Perhaps on the notion that if she runs we Palinistas might as well start getting acquainted with the barrage that's certain to come."
What's barrage that's certain to come? You mean the ongoing barrage that began in 2008?
People are complaining about everything: how she holds the rifle, how she missed the shot, why she hunts, how she made a snuff film, blah blah blah.
Sarah killing animals is justified by Darwin's natural selection: Sarah selects and natural things die for her survival. No one should be trying to shut down Evolution when it has just got up to speed. This time next year, Sarah will be selecting natural GOP hopefuls to die politically competing for habitat against her more fit Campaign.
The win -- and who appointed you thread judge? -- should be revoked because of that leaden explanation.
Exactly. Once you win the thread, you don't return.
You're the commenter equivalent of Brett Favre. Go out on a high note!
I don't know if this is true of the Palins but do hunters generally share the meat with family and neighbors?
Also, we have a new thread winner, and that's Big Mike at 3:34 PM.
Rielle Hunter bagged her some real big game. And by big I don't mean whoa tiny.
Scoped it.
Flicked off the safety.
Pulled the trigger.
Field dressed and put it in a bag.
Freezer full. Soup's on.
The hunter in my neighborhood does. He was supposed to bring me some meat and lots of antlers. Ain't seen 'em yet.
You're the commenter equivalent of Brett Favre.
lol,, thats too funny.
Would anyone watch Ann Althouse's Wisconsin?
I hunt. I've killed four deer so far this hunting season. The first is/was quite tasty. The second is in my freezer. The third I gave to a sick friend. The fourth is at the butcher's being sliced up into delicious chunks. I'm hunting again tomorrow and Friday. I hope to get another. If I do, I'll probably give the meat to friends and relatives that do not or cannot hunt but still love venison. I understand hunting and hunters and their prey. What I cannot understand is lawyers and scavaging.
@tradguy:
Sarah killing animals is justified by Darwin's natural selection: Sarah selects and natural things die for her survival.
The fact of evolution by natural selection doesn't not morally justify anything, any more than the fact of gravitation does.
Just shut up about things you don't understand and don't believe in anyway, mkay?
Also, how do we all know the size of John Edward's penis?
I didn't realize it was such common knowledge.
AllenS said...
"Sarah Palin took an airplane to the hunting area because there isn't a high speed train that goes there."
Well just whose fault is it that there is no bridge to somewhere?
Treacle that is hilarious.
My dad hunts and my family has the dear meat for like a year. I used to eat meat but now I am a vege. The dear sausage was delish.
Sarah Palin took an airplane to the hunting area because there isn't a high speed train that goes there.
We must fix that.
Treacle: my post is a variation on something ann wrote about elizabeth edwards in a comment in a prior post.
No, you've completely misrepresented what she said. Deliberately so. Why?
it's such a horrific thing for ann to write.
Oh bullshit. Cut the drama. You guys were trying to paint Elizabeth's life as hell on earth to justify her misdeeds, to which Ann responded:
"She got a better deal than most human beings. She lived to the age of 61. She had 3 beautiful children, only one of whom died young. She was smart, happy, and beautiful for most of her life. She had a nice, handsome husband with a big cock who was greatly admired and brought her great admiration and wealth."
How do we know John Edwards has a big cock?
She does drop it on the first shot with the second weapon. And reading about the episode a bit I see people saying the first rifle was dropped earlier and knocked off zero. I think the video, intentionally or not, makes her look bad by not making that clear.
Also, watching it a few times pretty closely, it seems to me she's being over-coached (it isn't clear to me whether it's her dad or the guide doing the coaching). I also think she had a bad case of buck fever or camera fever (or both).
And I do think Ms. Sarah knows how to hunt and shoot. She did get impatient and re-loaded the single-shot "varmint rifle" in a quite proficient manner for the final shot with that gun.
It was her dad who overdid it, helping his little girl.
OMG Sarah shot Rudolph!
Why do we care so much that a woman's husband has a large rooster? The damn things wake you up early every morning?
How do we know John Edwards has a big cock?
Well... "big" is a relative term, after all. "Big" for any young slip of a lass his general age and build would be the more accurate description, really.
Some other poster yesterday predicted that something like this would happen "within the first twenty-four hours" after Ms. Edwards' passing... but I honestly can't recall which one that might have been.
That person, whoever they are, is today's assigned "Prophet of the Day."
No, that was me, and I meant that a prominent Democrat would use Elizabeth's corpse as a political prop to bash conservatives, attack the tax bill, etc.
Hasn't happened yet, but it will.
Palin and Gore!
Meat!
No, that was me, and I meant that a prominent Democrat would use Elizabeth's corpse as a political prop to bash conservatives, attack the tax bill, etc.
Whoops. My Senior Moment, then. Apologies all around, as applicable.
Please point me to John Edwards cock NOW!
On the internet as in pics?
Why do we care so much that a woman's husband has a large rooster?
Because our libtards wanted to pretend Elizabeth had nothing to live for, so anything bad she did should be excused.
Of course, Ann's other examples included children, wealth, career, etc. but once our libtards saw the word "cock" it was all they could focus on.
Would anyone watch Ann Althouse's Wisconsin?
If they would let Chip produce..
liberals are wimps.
I was very disappointed in Brett Favres wagging cock on video.
I did laugh out loud by Treacle's posting though.
Admit it fellow republicans, it was funny.
DaveW: I read somewhere that her scope was off because her father fell while holding the rifle. See this:
http://www.nationalreview.com/media-blog/254546/sarah-palin-kills-bambi-if-bambi-were-big-and-dumb-greg-pollowitz
The Wall Street Journal's criticism of someone's hunting and shooting abilities is strange because they aren't exactly Field & Stream or Guns & Ammo.
Whenever I play a new first-person shooter, I name my character Sarah Palin!!!! AND EVERYONE ELSE GETS THE FUCK OUT OF MY WAY!
I read somewhere that Cheney is packing some heat too.
What other politicos have big cocks?
It would be fun to line them all up and judge their hogs and give them numbers like Dancing With The Stars.
And what size is considered a "big cock"?
Please point me to John Edwards cock NOW!
If Edwards is catholic he and his penis have to be in mourning for 9 days.. or something.
Obama can barely contain his hatred of America.
Sarah is America.
I used to like to go to the gym and after working out sit in the sauna (only briefly though because I started looking like a turnip) and flash my hog at guys. I want to make it very clear that I wasn't a Sauna Iguana-5 minutes was my max.
I was young though and have manured since then.
Would anyone watch Ann Althouse's Wisconsin?
"Today we'll be hunting the wild (and elusive) Grizzled Folk Buck, more commonly referred to as the Greater Wisconsin Spotted Zimmerman. My burly, sun-bronzed native porter, Meade, just needs to pack up the rest of the sun-dried tomatoes, and we'll be off..."
Wasn't Edwards two Americas on display in an online vid while his gun was sheathed in the hunter?
Craig: that was my point. That you can't eat fresh veggies grown locally if you live in Minnesota. So, the "green" way might be to eat local when you can, or have "non local" food trucked in. One has to balance the energy intensivity of trucking versus a heated greenhouse.
Although, with MadisonMan's comments about Rutabagas and Turnips - there might be a way around that. Are Rutabagas really delicious? I haven't tried one yet. Turnips? Ugh. (And I am someone who loves vegetables for the most part)
Anyway - the point is still simply this: Being green doesn't have to mean turning the clock back on all civilization. It means being conscious of resource usage, and trying to be efficient therein. And yes, in some situations, eating beef IS the green option. The "eat local only" or "eat fish not beef" rules might work in some contexts, but in other contexts, they are plain silly.
Would anyone watch Ann Althouse's Wisconsin?
Until Meade showed up there was precious little "Outdoors Calling" to that joint venture.
I think Meade is the real Stan Bran in that outfit.
Pass me a can of Huber.
Well thank God we are done with carping about that miserable Edwards woman - may she RIP - and can now get on the momma grizzly out slaughtering animals for fun.
.....Ya'betcha!........
Being green doesn't have to mean turning the clock back on all civilization. It means being conscious of resource usage, and trying to be efficient therein. And yes, in some situations, eating beef IS the green option.
So basically, "being green" is all about feeling some kind of liberal guilt for your own prosperity.
Caribou being uncommon in South Texas, I recently shot a white-tailed deer. If everything were factored in, it would have been cheaper to order a comparable quantity of venison from an specialty meat supplier. But it wouldn't have been the same.
I'm proud to say that you can not find my cock anywhere on the internet.
So many guys have their cocks out on the internet-call me a prude but I just won't participate.
Rutabagas and turnips were basically grown for cattle feed.
For the price of all that plane-flying, couldn't you just mail-order a freezer-full of meat?
Bingo.
My ex husband used to try to convince me that the week long camping and deer hunting excursions were to bring home the meat and that it was a bargain.
Bull....."If you want to go hunting and spend hundreds and hundreds of dollars, don't try to bullshit me that it is going to be bargain meat. You go hunting because you like to. Just be honest about it. "
Now, if you shoot the deer, that are standing every day now, right outside of my office window and gut and cut the same deer yourself and put them into the freezer, I'll accept that argument.
My (now for 18 years) husband grew up in the mountains of North Western California (Trinity Alps). Waaaaay out in the boonies. They DID shoot deer and eat it all winter long because they were so far out and the deer were right there handy and no one cared how many deer you took. He swears he will never eat venison again.
fen: "You guys were trying to paint Elizabeth's life as hell on earth to justify her misdeeds"
me: you're the filthy discharge of a nasty cunt, fen.
like i said in that thread: edwards had a shitty set of facts and a shitty set of choices. under the circumstances, i won't blame her for the choices she made. i don't deify her, but i don't glory in her death. and i would not diminish her passing by noting that her husband had a big cock, so she should be happy to die at 61 with two kids in high school being left with their father who humiliated their terminally ill mother on a global stage.
fuck you and die, fen.
Titus said...
I'm proud to say that you can not find my cock anywhere on the internet.
I thought you sent Palladian photos....of something.
Sarah's had a better deal than most human beings. She's lived to the age of 46. She had 5 beautiful children, only one of whom is retarded. She was smart, happy, and beautiful for most of her life. She had a nice, handsome husband with a big cock.
I would like to demand proof of that last statement. :-)
Meade you are the best!
Note: No corpses or illegitimate children were dragged through here to make this post. No caribou were killed or injured.
traditionalguy said...
Sarah is no Annie Oakley. She did not even hold the rifle correctly. But she has Todd the eskimo and Track the marksman badge holder in the family too. They will still be eating when food riots are sweeping over the lower 48 because the Chinese have bought and shipped it all home at the inflated prices that they can afford and that we cannot
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Perhaps not. What if "Free Trade for Freedom Lovers" ends up with us having to sell Hawaii and Alaska to China to pay off our debts. And help fund restoration of the American economomic infrastructure Free Trade destroyed?
Then the Han can expel non-Han race peoples inc. the Palins, and pack more Han in than they did in Tibet.
Interesting how all Ann has to do is quote MoDo making an observation about the Palins, and the idiot Lefties have stream out of the woodwork to make their usual lame wisecracks, leavened now with snide comparisons to St Elizabeth of the Carolinas.
What is more provocative is Ann's take on Modo's imagery, "That's Maureen Dowd. She's going there. Into the realm of violent metaphor, visualizing shooting the President. It's an amusing riff, but it's an image I would self-censor".
Indeed. I guess now that The Zero has sold out all the small c communists and National Socialists in our midst, nobody cares if he's the target of violent metaphors.
Be interesting to see what Liz Trotta would say about that, but all the Gray Lady Dullards couldn't even see it.
YA BETCHA!!!
(just for HD)
I haven't deer hunted in 5 yrs. But when I go again it won't be for the meat, I don't even like most parts of a deer, it will be the sheer fun of killing it with a high powered rifle. My father in law gives us more venison that we can possibly eat every year, and almost always end up giving most of it away.
My husband used to hunt, but he is not much interested anymore. I don't like wild game much, it taste rangy. Not all that many years ago however, we raised our own beef and hogs. The truth is it is easier and cheaper to buy it.
Besides, I am getting kind of tired of Palin and the liberals fighting about all this stupid stuff. Considering the real problems facing the country is all this stuff that important?
More from Dowd's bizarre, Walter-Lantz-Meets-Hunter.-S.-Thompson-esque screed:
The poor caribou in the Arctic Circle, a cousin to Santa’s reindeer, had to die [...]
The only way this frumpy, embittered sot would have any chance in hell of correctly naming even four of Santa's sleigh team would be if they also happened to moonlight occasionally as Manhattan-area bartenders.
Thomas Friedman is off today
I sent Palladian a picture of myself driving my Black BMW 328xi with a rare clumber in the back...not a cock shot-gee.
Titus said...
Please point me to John Edwards cock NOW!
On the internet as in pics?
Here you go Titus: link
A Fegala Is A Fekakta Bird
Titus quit hog for cock,
That way he kept kosher
While noshing on salam --
Gay cocken offen yom.
When the garage door opens at my parents house all you see is dear and antelope and bear heads all over the walls. They are everywhere. Tongues out, glassy eyes, shining teeth.
I haven't deer hunted in 5 yrs.
I'm sending my 12-year old son back to WI next year to hunt deer with his uncle after he passes a hunter safety course. He's totally into it and is a good shot with a rifle. I told him that if he gets a buck I'll pay to have the head mounted and shipped to CA.
Anybody know how much that would cost?
What does "waited too pliantly" mean? Pliant? Is this the word she meant?
I have a pretty big cock too. My partners have told me. So have my friends who have seen it hard.
I am a grower though not a shower.
It is pretty small when flacid but when hard it's big, nice mushroom head, good head to stalk ratio, nice looking against the backdrop of my small waist and tight abs.
But still, I wouldn't put it out on the internet.
What does "waited too pliantly" mean? Pliant? Is this the word she meant?
The president calls political opponents "hostage takers" coming closely to calling them terrorist..
and he is the pliant one?
bitsybrain sarah gushed "My dad has taught me that if you want to have wild, organic, healthy food,” she pontificated, “you’re gonna go out there and hunt yourself and fish yourself and you’re gonna fill up your freezer.”
hmmmmm "has taught.."
"and hunt yourself"? this booboo can't find her ass with both hands and she is hunting for herself...?
wonder woman! oh and the next time you see her at a book signing, ask her to define "pliantly"...it'll be a hoot! ya'betcha!
hey there earthlings...isn't the phrase "hunted deer" or "hunter for deer" NOT "deer hunted"?
just askin'
ya'betcha.
I honestly believe though that a lot of what has to do with cock size is the backdrop it is against.
If you are small or thin even a smaller cock can look good size but if your large or have rolls the cock can just disappear, even when it might actually be large.
For some reason some of the larger people I have seen in the gym don't have much pubes either. Why is that? There are like 4 or 5 long pubes hanging down and that's it.
Pliant pliancy plys pliers!
How many of you people have really hunted? Hunting isn't all about hunting. Its about getting away from the job. Its about being outdoors with like-minded guys. Its about swapping stories and embellisments with fellow hunters (who for the most part damn well know you are lying but won't say anything because you damn well know they are lying as well). It's about sitting in a tree stand all damn day and watching a couple of squirrels disputing land boundaries. Also squirrels don't seem to understand that the big thing in orange sitting up in a tree that wasn't there yesterday is me and I don't like it when they get really, really close. Listening to chipmunks scurry through fallen leaves, and I might add sound like a herd of fricken' elephants. So deer hunting is mainly sitting around all day, freezing and seeing all kinds of creatures except deer. Its great!
Obama is definitely proving to be pliant, but the caribou?
HD House: How's that president of ours with the English language sans teleprompter? HHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHA Mr. not so glib. you bet ya.
@HDHouse:
Plier, plier plants on flyer!
pauls lane; Good point. It is also, in Alaska, about suffering, about hauling your ass over hill and dale. Up there it is not sitting in a tree stand with a bottle of Jack Daniels, it is much more labor intensive, much more physical. Not something for a New Yorker who is not in very good shape. But this kind of effort is comical to ever so smart Knickerbockers.
There should be a hunting season for political pundits.
And no limits.
"Shhhhhhhhh. Be vewwy, vewwy quiet. I'm hunting Huffingtons. Hahahahahahahahaha."
"3 people took a private plane from south Alaska to north Alaska and camped and hunted for days because they needed to get" footage for their reality show.
For the price of all that plane-flying, couldn't you just mail-order a freezer-full of meat?
Certainly.
But at the end of the day, who would you be? You would be a consumer. A person who sits at home, removed from the reality of the act of provision and acquisition. You would be just a credit card away from stuffing your face with what you want to eat.
So the question is, who are you and who do you want to continue being?
I'm with Palin on this.
Anybody know how much that would cost?
Around $400 for a quality head/shoulder mount. More if you want details. It's hard to get the eyes/eyelids to have life. "Sneak" mounts look really cool, where the buck has its head down, trailing a doe in heat. Also good for low ceilings!
I'm curious - not challenging, but truly curious - of those posting comments here saying what things are like in Alaska, how many of you have been to Alaska?
My best guess on what happened here?
Dowd is profoundly jealous of Sarah Palin's fecundity (and maybe her husband if what we heard from treacle is true). Such jealous rage has no metes and bounds and will never subside.
@Beth: I've said nothing about Alaska but I have defended the hunter ethic which Dowd obviously loathes. It doesn't go much further than that.
@Garage Thanks!
@Michael: I've dragged deer over a mile or more out of the woods. My wife thinks I'm crazy and I suspect she may be right.
I've dragged deer over a mile or more out of the woods. My wife thinks I'm crazy and I suspect she may be right.
My suggestion...? Next time: shoot it first. ;)
And what size is considered a "big cock"?
Anything noticably bigger than your own.
chickelit
My 13 yr old nephew got his first buck this year with his uncle. Good times. He was pretty proud.
garage mahal aren't you his uncle?
@Beth, well, me for one. I will affirm that small aircraft are the main way of getting around from anyplace that the Alaska RR can't get to. The planes I flew on took off from gravel landing strips using very large, very fat tires.
I spent less than a month, and didn't go further north than Denali or further south than the Kenai peninsula, but I assure you that the Chugach and Wrangell ranges are as rugged as anything I've seen in Colorado. The entire state has less than 15,000 miles of roads (including city streets).
So deer hunting is mainly sitting around all day, freezing and seeing all kinds of creatures except deer. Its great!
Pretty much my experience of hunting, except no tree stands. Lots of walking and stopping to listen. Perching on lava formations, granite and lots of open vistas. Long distance shots using a good scope and sometimes a gun stand.
Very rarely did we hunt in forested situations.
THIS is a good representation of the terrain. Beautiful isn't it.
I haven't been deer hunting in quite a few years, but really enjoyed it. Especially the camping part. We would go for a week or longer and I liked campfire cooking and being in camp sometimes when everyone else was out hunting. Very peaceful.
Episode 6, in which Sarah learns to hunt.
How to pretend you're a woman of the wild frontier in 10 easy lessons, or how I learned to stop politicking and love the image.
garage said:
He was pretty proud.
My son would be proud too. I never deer hunted. I did squirrel hunt a couple times and got some with my .22 but I gave it up for a life of books and study. I still have my gun at my brother's place. My wife won't allow it out here. I'll give it to him one day though.
It's a TV show afterall and since scripted reality shows are becoming the norm, the scenario being criticized by hunting could be taken by every hunter out there now. Oh, look the freezer is empty. Well, Rubarb, you better open up Omaha Meats online and get some. Hunting avoided. Is this your argument against hunting, Ann? That you can simply by your meat instead of spending money to travel somewhere to hunt it down which people have been doing for god knows how long?
Oh, Dowd has finally projected her insanity onto something she finds abhorent, hunting and trying to equate it to Erkle assassination. She has now joined the club of clueless cunts.
She had 5 beautiful children, only one of whom is retarded.
Well, technically only one.
Methadras uses the 'C' word. Not such a humble Mechanical Engineer are you?
chickelit, I saw that. I'm really curious about the Alaska thing. I don't hunt, but right now I have three nice teal in the freezer, from my neighbors. I have no issue with it.
Thanks, Big Mike.
@HDHouse
The point is moot if one party has actually "deer hunted" and the other hasn't.
garage mahal aren't you his uncle?
Eh, yeah. Make that his grandfather obviously. Kind of a sad story actually. The kid lost hid dad to a suicide, so his grandfather is the stand-in dad for the time being. Hence his first big hunt.
Beth
Teal are one of the few great eating ducks. Wood ducks being the best tasting IMO.
I was never much on hunting. The guys in the neighborhood used to go upstate every year and blast a deer or two. Then they would strap them to the hood of he GTO and speed down Route 17 and bring them to the butcher who would whack them up into steaks. They would have a annual vension dinner at the Knights of Columbus.
But I always remembered that dead deer tied down with it's glazed eyes and it's tongue lolling out of it's mouth and it's eyes vacant and empty.
You know the way Lindsey Lohan looks in bed.
Trooper: I was very very afraid of your pals when I was grouse hunting in Delaware county. Those boys were drunk in an unhappy trigger happy way.
I've never hunted, but my best friend back in PA did, and I went to their hunting cabin a couple times. Just not a fan of walking in the woods, which is what hunting seemed to be, but the card playing was cool.
One of my son's friends got his first buck this year. That was pretty cool.
I can't stand the taste of venison. When I was in college, a roommate brought back venison steaks from home, and told me to cook them. Well, the 20-year-old me took a mallet and pounded pounded pounded them to tenderize them -- following his instructions -- and only recall blood splatter. It looked like a crime scene. The other time I had venison, at my best friend's cabin, I got sick.
Garage: Dude, you duck hunt? Anything and everything I ever wrote in contradiction to anything you ever wrote is rescinded.
One gets the feeling HD thinks he might actually amount to something if he could find that one Palin zinger. Too bad he's shooting a gun with no firing pin and blank ammo.
Big Gov't Trickling Down on You said...
She had 5 beautiful children, only one of whom is retarded.
Well, technically only one.
The other currently calls himself Big Gov't Trickling Down on You
Well thank God we are done with carping about that miserable Edwards woman - may she RIP - and can now get on the momma grizzly out slaughtering animals for fun.
For HD Sarah is the gift that keeps on giving.
And like my infant grandson he loves to take any Palin post and bang it incessantly against a hard surface, gleefully giggling with his ingenuity.
Trooper: Although the KofC dinner would be scarier still.
Fishing was more my game. My uncle had a motor and all the rods and tackle and we would get up at 4 in the morning and drive to the end of Long Island to Southhold to the Port of Eygpt Fishing station. They would rent you a boat and sell you the bait and stuff. Skimmer clams and squid for the fluke and of course worms for the black fish.
One memorable time we caught about 352 fish. I remember because we counted them. We caught about 200 porgies and a bunch of flounder. Not one of them ever sent out any more fan mail.
We also caught 42 weak fish which are called that because of their mouth which had a weak membrane that would break if you tried to pull them into the boat. They were all paticularly big that day.
When we pulled up on Henry St, every old guinea in the neighborhood showed up. "He Vegance wadda ya catch." My uncle gave out most of the fish because you had to clean them and he didn't want to clean more than 30 or 40 of them.
All of that is a thing of the past. If you did that today some yuppie scumbag like Maureen Dowd would report you to the fish police or somehing.
Sometimes I really wish it was still 1962.
Whatever else you may say about hunting for your meat, what you get is organic. Certainly is in Sarah's case. Not shot full of growth homones or preservatives. Dressed out and butchered under conditions that are easily controlled and/or monitored. No questions about lapses in refrigeration or proper storage.
BTW, had good luck hunting this year. Gotta stop now and go pick up my buck at the butcher's.
Bob
Fen and Althouse up in a tree K I S S I N G, first came Obama, then came...oh, you can finish it Meade, you're a good boy.
The K of C in 1962 would have made you shit your pants.
Half the guys were cops and fireman. The rest were gangsters. They had card games that could have $1000 in the pot.
The wives would bring in lasagna and meatballs and sausage and peppers in tin trays with with foil to heat on the sterno.
And they had the coolest thing. Their own pizza oven. A commercial one where you could make a real pizzzzza pie. Oh baby!
It was probably in her TLC contract: "Ms. Palin must, at some point in the series, shoot and kill a wild animal."
I bet that fuckin twat Maureen Dowd never went to the K of C for a pot luck supper. Or to the Elks for a fund rasier for some poor mook with cancer. Or the church basement to raise some dough for St. Vincent de Paul and all the poor families who need help during Christmas time.
Worthless elitist piece of shit that she is.
Michael. I grew up duck hunting on the Wisconsin river as a kid. Have not even thought about it since my two labs passed away 10 yrs ago. I pheasant hunt one weekend a year in Iowa with a group of friends, that's it for hunting these days. Almost bought a lab a few months ago but couldn't do it for my own dumb reasons. But yea duck hunting is a blast isn't it? Lots of memories.
Typical six figure earning liberal garage...going out and hunting peasants...it's bad enought they got to be taxed by the lord of the manor..but to hunt them....what...what did he say...oh....err.... sorry...nevermind.
As the bloom comes off the prof's rose w/ the ticking clock of age 60, expect more negativity and nastiness toward women.
The over/under on her link w/ Meade is two years. He seems like a nice guy, he won't know what hit him. C'est la vie.
Dude that's kind of personal.
Beside the blogger lady has always had it in for good lookin' broads.
That's 99% of Palin's problem. If she looked like Helen Thomas she wouldn't get these beyotches in such a lather.
Titus,
"I was young though and have manured since then."
So we've heard...
Wow. The professor is basically casting aspersions on flyover country, hillbilly folk. How dare they hunt instead of mail order!
This post is as close as Althouse can come to literally giving out red meat for her readers.
Has the Secret Service had a little chat with Ms. Dowd yet?
So deer hunting is mainly sitting around all day, freezing and seeing all kinds of creatures except deer. Its great!
Yeah but MEAT IS MURDER dood. Now excuse me while I go to my fashionable Manhattan gyro stand.
@Trooper, the peasants you were thinking of start at 7:50.
Peasant numbers way off in Iowa last year trooper. Tough previous winter on them.
@Trooper
Hunting in Wisconsin is overseen by the DNR which stands for Damn Near Russia.
Those peasants are in good hands.
Do you take your hikes from your front door or do you drive to suitable state parks? <--- That there is a Socratic dialogue thingie. Is there a relationship that can be drawn between flying to the hunting grounds and fishing waters, and driving to the hiking and photographic areas? <--- See? Another one.
Yeah but MEAT IS MURDER dood. Now excuse me while I go to my fashionable Manhattan gyro stand.
I was in DC last week and and was shocked that people called gyros "jie-rows." Aren't they culturally sensitive enough on the East coast to call them "he-roes"?
I'll bet the people on NPR all say γύρος
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