The Drudge links go to:
1. That poll we talked about yesterday.
2. "White House says Obama is Christian, prays daily."
3. "President Apostate?"
4. "Obama a Muslim? Rumors gain steam, defying facts."
ADDED: Rush Limbaugh begins his show today (Friday) talking about the Drudge angel wings. He should at least say "hi" to me.
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Those wings look like they're made of plastic.
A rich irony.
DON'T TOUCH THE SHOCK POLL
At least once a week I'm reminded that the NYT doesn't fact-check their op-ed contributors -- or if they do, they're doing a piss-poor job.
Edward N. Luttwak -- a man who from his bio has never studied Islam --wrote the scariest story he could devise about Islam's death grip on Obama's soul.
As far as I can tell, Luttwak is little more than the instant Google expert, the bane of internet discussion groups.
Does Obama "pray daily" or does the White House?
(PS On NPR this am in discussing the unemployment numbers, a reporter noted that White House staff check economic and employment measures daily. I therefore assume they are praying daily.)
Try flapping those wings, Obama. They'll fly about as well as your economic nonsense.
Think you're reaching on the wings (ask, don't reach).
What is interesting is the Luttwak piece (he was a poli sci legend when I was an undergrad, glad to see he's still thinking and writing) about The Zero being an apostate Moslem. Contrary to fls, apostasy is an instant dirt nap in Islam.
Hope the Secret Service has TOW missles in the back seat.
I'm trying to picture a "steaming rumor".I have another image in my head of a pile of something "steaming"
Of course Obama's a christian. He prays all the time. I mean its like 5 times a day.
I wonder if Obama's plummeting poll numbers are just a reflection of overexposure. You know, when that one big hit song makes the airwaves and its played over and over and over and over and..well you get my point.
Maybe I never noticed it before but I don't ever remember a President whose mug was splashed on tv every.single.day.
But I am glad to see he's taking some (more) time for himself and the family.
How does praying daily make you a Christian?
Looked at the picture again and asked myself:
Did a bell ring somewhere?
And following our Freudian stream of consciousness reminded me of one of the great German movies of the last half century
(and the lousy American remake)
Does Obama "pray daily"?
No.
"Black Liberation Theology will only accept the love a God that participates in the destruction of the White Enemy" - Dr Cone, Obama supporter and champion of Trinity church.
He's too much of a narcissist anyway. Imagiine another 9-11. Do you think Obama's first impulse would be to drop to his knees and pray for guidance and wisdom, or look around for a scapegoat to ride?
The best line was in a thread yesterday-something like-
Obama can't be Muslim-he's too busy worshipping himself.
I have my doubts he's a practicing 'anything'. His attendance in Wright's 'church' was nothing more than a political stunt to get some cred with his constituency. He may be a Christian in the sense that's the faith he identifies with but doesn't really practice it.
His affection for Islam is the same that I think drives most leftists to rush to its defense is that it clashes with Western values, which for most leftists is the default position to take.
Just where in the heck is all this Obama is a Muslim thing coming from anyway!
The first test of whether one is a Christian is the honor one gives to or refuses to give to God's word. If a person turns away from a scripture teaching and goes on as if there is nothing of interest there, then that person has shut off a connection through faith in the Word. He can still be a moral and good person, but he is likely not a Christian. The amazing Mr Obama seems to constantly repress faith in order to keep from being under its influence.
I'm glad to see Mullah edutcher weighing in.
Just where in the heck is all this Obama is a Muslim thing coming from anyway!
I think it was started by the NY Times. Then Obama didn't help himself when he referred to his 'Muslim faith' only to be corrected by little Georgie Stephenopolous.
Obama took an oath to uphold the constitution. First time on a bible. Second time sans bible. So he told both a religious lie and a secular lie. Whatever his religion or lack thereof that makes him a confirmed liar. Twice. To which progressives everwhere give a big ho-hum, the constitution meaning diddly squat to them.
One example, garage
September 8, 2008
While talking to George Stephanopoulos, Obama said this: "You're absolutely right that John McCain has not talked about my Muslim faith"
My guess the concern over whether he's a Muslim has something to do with the Muslim terrorists who on a daily basis continue to threaten to attack the US.
A similar sentiment permeated the country when many thought the Pope was going to rule the country with JFK as his Cardinal Richelieu.
Had the 19 hijackers been devout Roman Catholics from Ireland, leftists would have demanded the Green Isle turned to glass and the Vatican bombed to rubble.
The Constitution doesn't require a Bible to have a presidential oath be binding.
Listen, calling Obama Muslim is giving him too much credit for potentially believing in something bigger than himself.
Obama should go the full Muslim,own it,go the whole hog so to speak...
A christian is someone who believes that salvation is only through Jesus Christ. There are disagreements after that, but I'm pretty sure that's the first requirement.
A christian is someone who believes that salvation is only through Jesus Christ. There are disagreements after that, but I'm pretty sure that's the first requirement.
Correct.
Does anybody know if they did a cross reference question in that poll?
It's quiet possible that a majority of those that think Obama is Muslim also voted for him.
garage,
Was my information helpful?
If Obama was a fine Christian man, would he have missed all of the nasty sermons when Rev. Wright whaled on Whitie?
Here is a direct link to the poll-at the company that conducted it-
http://www.srbi.com/Religion_Poll.html
A majority of the 24% who think Obama is Muslim are not Republican.
Of course it's getting written up differently so that Time can get more use of it.
The polling company know what they are payed for-titillation.
well, i wrote up my thoughts here: http://allergic2bull.blogspot.com/2010/08/on-confusion-about-obamas-religion.html
I love this from the polling company:
one third of self identified Evangelicals (33%) subscribe to the belief that President Obama is a Muslim.
Let's get re-write.
Shock poll!
Nearly two thirds of self identified Evangelicals subscribe to the belief that President Obama is not a Muslim.
[That, however, would not sell as much fish wrap.]
Here's the NYT's public editor, regretting they let Luttwak fearmonger unopposed:
http://www.nytimes.com/2008/06/01/opinion/01pubed.html
Here's Obama on his T.U.C.C attendance:
In a July 21, 2008 Newsweek article, Obama explained that he stopped going to church as often after he and wife Michelle had children.
“As young marrieds, Barack and Michelle (who also didn't go to church regularly as a child) went to church fairly often—two or three times a month. But after their first child, Malia, was born, they found making the effort more difficult. ‘I don't know if you've had the experience of taking young, squirming children to church, but it's not easy,’ he says.
“‘Trinity was always packed, and so you had to get there early. And if you went to the morning service, you were looking at—it just was difficult. So that would cut back on our involvement.’
“After he began his run for the U.S. Senate, he says, the family sometimes didn't go to Trinity for months at a time. The girls have not attended Sunday school.”
Rush Limbaugh begins his show today (Friday) talking about the Drudge angel wings
Might just be a case of GMTA.
(Great Minds Think Alike)
"Rush Limbaugh begins his show today (Friday) talking about the Drudge angel wings. He should at least say "hi" to me."
Ann is to Rush
as
Althouse commenters are to Ann
A rich irony.
garage,
Was my information helpful?
garage doesn't respond much anymore. I don't think he likes us. I try to engage him but he has me on 'scroll down' I think.
I was inconsolable for about 10 seconds.
althouse, maybe if you insult upwards, he'll mention you.
Hoosier,
Here is a Q-Tip to dry your tears.
...or rather, tear.
A majority of the 24% who think Obama is Muslim are not Republican.
They do not self-identify as Republican. (And who can blame them!)
Okay, that was a cheap "joke", but never take a poll result at face value; consider how the questions were asked. Put on your best Miss Marple when you read them and think: Everyone is lying.
...or slight moistness around your sty.
Now we are dogmatic about questioning claims of prayer? To quote my tag--"The fewer dogmas, the fewer disputes; the fewer disputes, the fewer miseries: if this is not true, then I'm wrong."
FLS,
"Might just be a case of GMTA. (Great Minds Think Alike)"
i thought the same thing. I can't tell you how many times I've posted something and wondered if Rush had read me first. (I'm no great mind, but a boy can dream,...) I think some stuff is just obvious to those with eyes to "see".
Hoosier Daddy said...
Just where in the heck is all this Obama is a Muslim thing coming from anyway!
I think it was started by the NY Times. Then Obama didn't help himself when he referred to his 'Muslim faith' only to be corrected by little Georgie Stephenopolous.
Not to mention that picture of him in Islamic(Indonesian?) costume. Not unlike Kerry in the isolation suit, some images stick.
garage doesn't respond much anymore. I don't think he likes us. I try to engage him but he has me on 'scroll down' I think.
I don't think it's the same garage. He didn't go all invective before.
Not unlike Kerry in the isolation suit, some images stick.
Well to be fair, no one really believed that Kerry was an Oompa Loompa either.
Frankenstein yes but not an Oompa Loompa.
You guys don't know how to get garage to answer you. Watch this:
garage, what are you wearing?
Madison Man-
Well what's really bad is the polling company is making conclusive statements about a subset within their poll...
Which means what-about the margin of error?
I know you get the relationship but many would not.
garage, what are you wearing?
4 day beard
Wisconsin baseball cap
ITAPA KEGGA T shirt
Plaid shorts
Flip flops
Cripes I gotta go google "Miss Marple"...I've gotta feeling it ain't gonna be pretty.
See! What did I tell ya.
garage sounds like you could appreciate a burka or abuse yourself of one.
Did you find my information helpful? I had to spend time to look it up. Just for you. I spent my precious time to look that up for you.
garage, what are you wearing?
4 day beard
Wisconsin baseball cap
ITAPA KEGGA T shirt
Plaid shorts
Flip flops
Which immediately brings to mind that classic scene in Sixteen Candles
No he's not retarded!
The problem with squirming children at church are familar to every church going person regardless of their faith. Who has not had the experiance of hearing babies wail during a service. But that is a natural part of faith. It's not like the old days when imperious priests demanded you take the babies out of church.
My pastor Father Cashman told the congregation "Bring your children and let them be part of the Mass. Don't be afraid and don't make them afraid or punish them. They are just kids. So if they escape and want to run up to the altar, that's ok. Jesus will be happy to see them. Then you can corral them and take them back to your seat."
As a result our parish has four times as many families with small children than anyone else in the vicinity.
Obama's decision to take the easy way out and not bring his children to church, any church (or mosque) really shows what kind of person he is. He cut off his religious life because it was a bother.
He voted "Present" on God.
I did not know that my opinion of him could get any lower.
But he always surprises me.
Pretty much what I wear every day in the summer.
I know when I am interviewed I get nervous and might blurt out that I belong to an entirely different faith than my own. Happens often to me. Sometimes its Islam, sometimes its Quakerism. Hard to predict.
I know. When I was interviewed once I was flustered I said I was Chinese.
Not that there's anything wrong with that.
LOL
That reminds of that anchor woman on a blind guy that climbed Mt Everest.
He's gay, I mean he's blind!
I know when I am interviewed I get nervous and might blurt out that I belong to an entirely different faith than my own. Happens often to me. Sometimes its Islam, sometimes its Quakerism. Hard to predict.
LOL!
A form of Tourette's syndrome, no doubt.
garage,
Put something in your profile. Open up.
I'd hate to see Obama on the troll bridge in The Holy Grail..
Garage;
Pretty much what I wear every day in the summer.
Oh Garage that photo will invite so many comments.
Quote of Franklin Graham re: President's faith (via Politico)
“The seed is passed through the father,” Graham said. “He was born a Muslim. His father was a Muslim; the seed of Muslim is passed through the father like the seed of Judaism is passed through the mother. He was born a Muslim; his father gave him an Islamic name.”
Graham's attempting to make a religious/theological point but it will come off poorly. I don't think his father would have made such a comment.
From the Islamic perspective, we are all born Muslim -- how could God have planned otherwise -- so we Christians, Jews, et al. are all equally apostate:
Translation of Sahih Muslim, Book 33:
The Book of Destiny (Kitab-ul-Qadr)
Chapter 6: EVERYONE IS BORN ACCORDING TO HIS TRUE NATURE AND THE COMMAND PERTAINING TO THE DEMISE OF THE CHILDREN OF THE INFIDELS AND OF THE CHILDREN OF THE MUSLIMS
Book 033, Number 6423:
There is none born but is created to his true nature (Islam). It is his parents who make him a Jew or a Christian or a Magian quite as beasts produce their young with their limbs perfect. Do you see anything deficient in them? Then he quoted the Qur'an., The nature made by Allah in which He has created men there is no altering of Allah's creation; that is the right religion" (xxx. 33)
President Kick-Ass had every opportunity to dispel the claims that birthers made against him. He only stoked the fire and shrouded his origins in a veil of mystery. Now they release his passport with what is considered vital information blurred out and not making a distinction between whether or not it is a common or diplomatic passport either. Now this question of him being a stealth Muslim has crept back into the news cycle? Why? I could care less about whether he is a Muslim or not, he is just shitty Marxist and a shitty president. That's what is important here.
In either case, he has allowed these rumors to swirl around him in the hopes to marginalize those he sees as being fringy and now he's fed them the meat they so craved and it's gotten out of the box. This guy is a moron.
Honest to goodness, I don't care what Obama's faith is.
As long as he believes in the United States and has faith in the wisdom of her citizens, his expressions of deity fealty are at best anecdotal.
Sweet dog, garage.
The dog isn't mine. LOL.
We took the kids over to Lake Mills, to Rock Lake, a beautiful clear swimming hole. We drove by Tyranena Brewery [on a Sunday], and that pic was me looking in to see if it was open. That golden was just hanging around outside, and when I pulled the door open, he just walked in, like he's done a million times before I'm sure.
I thought this post from Pandagon.net was funny:
Ten Questions Nobody Ever Asked About George W. Bush
1.) Where is George W. Bush’s real birth certificate?
2.) Was George W. Bush’s birth announcement planted in the paper to divert attention from his actual birth?
3.) What is George W. Bush’s Social Security Number?
4.) Does George W. Bush’s Social Security Number match the assignment pattern traditionally followed by Social Security Numbers?
5.) How did George W. Bush apply for financial aid in college?
6.) Where are George W. Bush’s MBA projects and papers?
7.) Is George W. Bush’s wife faithful to America?
8.) How did George W. Bush pay for any or all of his homes?
9.) Is George W. Bush secretly faithful to another religion?
10.) Why hasn’t George W. Bush given money to every single member of his extended family who’s having problems?
11. What is George Bush wearing?
fls-
One word answer to your post-
TANG.
Wow garage. You went to visit Tawana Brawley?
I mean I know you are a liberal type guy and all but what kind of vacation is that?
The other problem with your analogy is that the Bush family was well known and Bush was the governor of Texas for two terms.
Obama-was a state senator and-Senator from Illinois for all of two years before he announced his candidacy for President.
Still *shocking*- I know- the press only discovered Bush's DUI arrest five days before the 2000 election.
Wonder how that happened...
I just figured out what religion Obama is. He's obviously a Mayan. That's why the world will end on Dec. 21, 2012. He won't be re-elected so he'll kill everyone. And that includes the polar bears. What a sore loser.
I think he's a sect of Mayan-known as the-
Me-won.
T-y-r-a-n-e-n-a, Trooper.
Oh sorry garage.
I just thought you would like to spend your vacation like Tawana.
Shit faced and half in the bag.
If Mort was awake he would say that was racist.
Scott seems to have quickly identified the funniest Peary of the update.
Althouse is better than Rush, because she tags her commenters!
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