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283 এর 1 – থেকে 200 আরও নতুন» সবচেয়ে নতুন»Why are they worried - they've got journolist on their side.
Ka-thunk...ka-thunk.
This is your followup to "Breitbart got results"? Too revealing.
Breitbart wasn't going after Sherrod, he was showing the true face of the NAACP, in the audience's reaction to Sherrod's story.
Sherrod's story may have been concluded with her ultimate rejection of racism, but the audience didn't seem to mind the pre-redemption parts of her story.
Ms. Sherrod is supported by the farmer in question's wife, and so it may be that she just expressed herself "inartfully."
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The hunt is on to see if a complete and unedited footage can be found that will absolutely clear her.
Tman is right. It's the blatant racism of the NAACP that was the point.
Losing control of accounts is scaring the administration.
The new media aren't playing to soap opera audiences; they are not really a business.
What Mrs. Spooner (the wife of the farmer referenced) has to say.
Under the bus... tapping on something hard to attract attention?
Armstrong and Getty in hour 2 today ( podcasts look at a diversity study that shows that diversity decreases trust and sociability.
If there are eight whites and two blacks, when the blacks are pressing for more diversity, they're not thinking of more Asians.
Noticing that they're all Americans doesn't come up, so long as there are hustlers.
Driving out the hustlers might be a good idea.
An underlying assumption that only whites can be rascists is in serious need of revision. Power corrupts the African Amerian as fast as it corrupts the European American.
I said this over at patterico.
I think the tone is a big part of what is wrong here.
Like imagine she said this:
“I have a confession to make. There was a time when a white farmer came to me for aid. And yeah, maybe he was pretending to be superior to me, but he needed my help. And because he was white and because he was being uppity, I didn’t do all I could. Yeah eventually I got him to a white lawyer and I hope that lawyer gave him all the help he needed, but I could have done more and I didn’t because of his race.”
If she said that, I wouldn’t have come down on her.
But instead she is like, “oh it was so funny when I screwed over this farmer…” yeah later she vaguely, maybe, dials it back. But there was no sense she actually felt the least bit bad about it.
Skyler said:
"Tman is right. It's the blatant racism of the NAACP that was the point."
I think that is a viable point, but I do not think that was Breitbart's point, at least not his only one. He said, for example:
This morning, we broke video of a USDA official, Shirley Sherrod, recounting for attendees at an NAACP awards dinner how she withheld help from a white farmer seeking the agency’s help in saving his farm."
And he says:
"We are in possession of a video from in which Shirley Sherrod, USDA Georgia Director of Rural Development, speaks at the NAACP Freedom Fund dinner in Georgia. In her meandering speech to what appears to be an all-black audience, this federally appointed executive bureaucrat lays out in stark detail, that her federal duties are managed through the prism of race and class distinctions."
He gives an inaccurate impression when he suggests her "federal duties" with the USDA are, in the present tense, "managed through the prism of race and class distinctions."
To be fair that is not his only point as he does also mention the audience'as reaction. But it is one of his points, and it's inaccurate.
Sherrod said "For Fox to take a spin on this like they have done, and know it’s not the truth … it’s very upsetting"
it does suck to be assumed a racist.
Artful jujitsu by CNN, turning a video depicting an NAACP crowd delighted by the racist elements of a speech into a story condemning Fox (somehow!) for a black woman's firing by the Obama Administration. Wow~ that's narrative manipulating skill!
Yes, I'd like to see the whole video.
"I was struggling with the fact that so many black people had lost their farmland, and here I was faced with having to help a white person save their land. So I didn't give him the full force of what I could do. I did enough."
Does anyone else during the course of their job have to struggle with fact that the person they're supposed to help is a different color than they are?
Traditional
> An underlying assumption that only whites can be rascists is in serious need of revision. Power corrupts the African Amerian as fast as it corrupts the European American.
Ah but see the popular line these days is that racism = prejudice + power and thus because supposedly black people have no power, they can’t be racists.
Yes, they have the nerve to say that under a black president. Its an idiotic and obvious double standard.
For myself, racism is the opposite of Dr. Kings dream: to judge a person by the color of their skin and not the content of their character.
I love all the hand-wringing about "fairness." Tell that to Think Progress, who are utterly corrupt in their video editing.
It's war now.
Comrade X said...
Sherrod said "For Fox to take a spin on this like they have done, and know it’s not the truth … it’s very upsetting"
it does suck to be assumed a racist.
It sure does.
Oh she'll ultimately get a pass from the usual suspects. The Dems are solidifying their talking points now and the spin machine is getting revved up. I think Madman and jl3459 or whatever his name is were already starting to spout the party lines in one of the other threads.
Of course, us non-leftists can't see the nuance or the context of this blatantly racist episode. She'll get the same pass as Robert "Sheets" Byrd did, or "Sheriff" Joe Biden.
The Journolist thing will, at most, result in a minor partial purge, a muted mea culpa from their respective news organizations, and meanwhile the editorial and managerial staffs (the true culprits) will go about business as usual (running their organizations into the ground faster so they can line up at the gubmint trough).
Move along folks, nothing to see here.
Oh, and...
UR ALL RACIST TEABAGGING LYING LIARS WHO LISTEN TO FAUX NOISE!!
and...and...and...
BUSH!
(In before garage, LoneWhacko, BetaLib, and Jeremy)
And it does matter that this encounter ocurred a long time ago, not while she was at the USDA. I didn't get that when I first saw it.
So far, Breitbart says he only has a copy of the clip that someone posted on U-Tube.
He gives an inaccurate impression when he suggests her "federal duties" with the USDA are, in the present tense, "managed through the prism of race and class distinctions."
Um, well if you look at her quote, its clear Sherrod thinks that. The audience also seemed to concur.
The story is her self-satisfaction with the way she treated the white farmer and the way she tells the story and the audience laughing and nodding in approval. It makes no difference if she ultimately did the right thing (reluctantly it would seem) its that she said she did not give him all the help she could have and was proud of it.
Jane said:
"I love all the hand-wringing about "fairness." Tell that to Think Progress, who are utterly corrupt in their video editing.
It's war now."
Speaking for myself, I'm not accusing anyone of unfairness, at least not intentional unfairness. I am very careful, personally, not to say someone is lying or otherwise being intentionally unfair unless that's what I really mean to say. Hence my deliberate use of the word "inaccurate" to describe the impression given by Mr. Brietbart about the currency of Ms. Sharrod's (admittedly) bad conduct.
The Washington Examiner has just dug up some dirt on Sherrod. This is going to get a lot uglier. For her and the USDA, and possibly this administration.
There was the school official who resigned and apologized because he used the racially charged word "denigrate" in the course of his duties. I'm sure that this woman has her side of the story, but the fact that she does not recognize that anyone could have problems with her words supports the contention that she has not risen above all her prejudices.
NAACP Prez: "And the reaction from many in the audience is disturbing."
I have to say, that is progress. I have never seen that group make such a concession, ever.
I think Ms. Sherrod would get a lot more slack right now if the quote from the farmer's wife praising her for "getting in there and doing all she could do to help us" in any way contradicted Sherrod's notorious comment that "...I didn't give him the full force of what I could do. I did enough... he needed to go back and report that I did try to help him."
I think the administration fears widespread suicide of their base. Those voters have always been unstable and recent events are not helping. Being in power is a lot harder than farting in elevators, like they are used to.
Racist red-diaper babies like Sherrod (and Obama) just loo-oove them some "stick it to Whitey" stories, don't they?
The nation should be ashamed of the whole hateful crowd in the MSM/Dem establishment that perpetuates this kind of racial warfare. And the media should rain holy hell down on the race hustlers who are trying to force racial discord down America's throat.
But they'll blame the Tea Parties instead. Useless idiots.
"But Spooner, who considers Sherrod a 'friend for life, said the federal official worked tirelessly to help the Iron City couple hold onto their land as they faced bankruptcy back in 1986."
Welp, this isn't going well. I like Breitbart, but I'm not feeling good about this one.
It sure is nice that everything turned out OK for the farmer and his wife and their farm was in fact saved. But that doesn't change the fact that Sherrod, by her own admission, made less of an effort for those white people than she would have for a black family in the same situation.
That's racism any way you cut it and no one would defend it if the races were reversed.
These people are just begging for a race war. At a minimum we need a culture war in this country. It has to be taught in our schools and accepted as fact who designed and built this country and that this was done so on a foundation of Christianity.
I sincerely doubt that Ms. Sherrod is a racist. She's human. Maybe she truly did feel condescended to by Mr. Spooner, and maybe she did hold back some because of it, but that's not Mrs. Spooner's take. My guess is that she was big dogging it a little at the NAACP function, and that she did walk that back later in the speech, but only the tape will tell. If she is racist there will be other tapes and dozens of witnesses.
To be fair that is not his only point as he does also mention the audience'as reaction. But it is one of his points, and it's inaccurate.
Absolutely agree. However, I watched the video first after reading only the headline. The thing that struck me the most, having grown up in the minority in south Chicago, was the overt bigotry easily detected in the audience's reaction to her telling of the story.
Wow...that Washington Examiner opinion piece is really interesting.
It also makes part of speech about "not wanting to be a farmer" kinda suspect. She was a farmer of sorts. She and her husband were the heads of a land trust for black farmers.
Said Shirley Sherrod, from under the bus.
Shirley is sure getting good reception from down there..
Have you ever seen a bureaucrat resign in disgrace one day and appear on CNN alone to defend herself the very next?
The Journo left wing is vast my friends..
"Breitbart got results."
Yes, yes, he did. And a useless hack law professor cheered on his character assassination of a good person.
Lovely. You and that pathetic hack Reynolds drove the damn bus, Althouse.
The woman is a realist. She recognizes that there are her kind and the other kind. And does not fear saying it. Should I ever go under the knife I want it to be held by one of my kind. But since I will have no choice in the matter under Obamacare I most likely will be killed either inadvertently or advertantly by one of her kind.
If she is racist there will be other tapes and dozens of witnesses
That very set of circumstances doesn't seem to have changed the MSM's opinion that congress members were spit on and showered with racial slurs on the steps of the Capital.
You also forgot the $100K reward.
She was, and remains a racist.
But the story that interests me is how she got that position, where she came from, and more important than that, why did she leave without putting up a fight. Obama didn't fight to save her - there is something fishy going on with her back story.
I read the Examiner info. It looks like Ms. Sherrod and her husband were part of a big, successful money grab from the govt as victims of discrimination.
She is a one trick pony and probably screwed over many white applicants over the years. And the NAACP attendees thought she was swell!
Maybe she truly did feel condescended to by Mr. Spooner, and maybe she did hold back some because of it, but that's not Mrs. Spooner's take.
Well, really, how the hell would Mrs. Spooner know how hard Sherrod worked on their behalf? If there were options available to the Spooners that Sherrod neglected to point out, they would have been none the wiser. The only one who knows is Sherrod herself and she's already given her account of the matter.
This is a huge opportunity for the President to come out and actually accomplish some of what people expected when they voted for him. To help lead the nation past race. I know he doesn't really feel it, but it would be a brilliant move to regain some popularity. It would work better than almost anything else he could do.
I don't expect he will though. He has made the exact wrong move on every opportunity to be truly post racial.
I think even the race hustlers are seeing the folly of fighting this new feeling in the country that the race card is way past it's dog -eared days.
To quote Shakespeare, "Good riddance."
It may have been the NAACP response that was the point, but it seems clear Breitbart presently a narrowly framed bit of film and didn't care about the the context, nor the effect it would have on this woman.
I fail to see how anyone can cheer him anymore than the Journolisters.
Look, this perfectly nice lady was trying to make a point about how the system is really down on poor people, not just peoples of color. But in the run up to making her point she made another point, perhaps in the hopes that her candor would be rewarded when she finally, finally got to her real point. But guess what? Too late and too bad. The culture of correctness has metastasized. It gets the innocent as well as the guilty. Good. These "progressives" deserve it.
Yup.
The racist skag and her hubby took in 13 million dollars from the US taxpayers for reparations, errr...I mean a discrimination settlement.
From Breitbart's site in a post titled, "Video Proof: The NAACP Awards Racism - 2010":
We are in possession of a video from in which Shirley Sherrod, USDA Georgia Director of Rural Development, speaks at the NAACP Freedom Fund dinner in Georgia. In her meandering speech to what appears to be an all-black audience, this federally appointed executive bureaucrat lays out in stark detail, that her federal duties are managed through the prism of race and class distinctions.
In the first video, Sherrod describes how she racially discriminates against a white farmer. She describes how she is torn over how much she will choose to help him. And, she admits that she doesn’t do everything she can for him, because he is white. Eventually, her basic humanity informs that this white man is poor and needs help. But she decides that he should get help from “one of his own kind”. She refers him to a white lawyer.
Sherrod’s racist tale is received by the NAACP audience with nodding approval and murmurs of recognition and agreement. Hardly the behavior of the group now holding itself up as the supreme judge of another groups’ racial tolerance.
The primary focus of the article is the NAACP's acceptance of racism when it's against whites.
Trad guy wrote: "An underlying assumption that only whites can be rascists is in serious need of revision."
It was always a lie. It was invented to excuse minorities from any failures. It has had predictable results.
Trey
Sixty Grit,
Go here to find out where she came from.
Do you know how many racists are active in local NAACP chapters all over the country? How about the recent news conference to denounce the “racist greeting card”? It seems there are plenty of better examples than this lady. At least examples where elderly white Americans don’t consider the racist hack to be as close as members of the family.
The Washington Examiner has just dug up some dirt on Sherrod.
Thanks for the tip there AllenS
Shirley Sherrod's Disappearing Act: Not So Fast.
Where did she come from?
I personally think it is fair to assume that any person of color that has some lofty position that they got there to some degree riding affirmative action. That is true of the chair of the RNC and it is true of the currect doofus in the White House and his skank of a wife.
Maguro,
I'm an old athlete. Did you ever get your but ripped by the coach, of course, unfairly. I have. It pisses you off, and you might hang dog for a few plays and then realize you're only hurting yourself and step it up in the second half. You ight even make the winning play.
You are right about one thing. None of us know all the facts or what was in the hearts of the major players, but it seems that Ms. Sherrod helped the white farm family win the game. Did she hold back in the first half and pour it on in the second? CNN has the farmer's wife on tape this morning. You might take a listen and see if you believe her story.
Titus,
You're funnier when you're talking about hogs and clumbers.
Well by golly, Faux and the Tea Party scare me too. I saw a cross burning in southern Ohio in the middle 50s. I could see it from our back 2nd story deck. That scared me but over time I found that these folks were just the worst we have among us and let it go at that.
Now I'm not so sure that the Tea Party isn't a greater threat to the republic.
Get your tea here! free to whites.
It took Obama months to stop an oil leak.. but boy you make him look bad in front of a camera..
Sayonara!
Shirley got four calls from the WH. No wonder the economy is in shambles.. that's all the WH does.. put out Obamas political brush fires.
I thought she indicated in the video that she decided her own behavior was wrong and sought to rectify it. Therefore, I don't understand the resignation.
The audience reaction was a bit damning, but not damning of the speaker.
HDH
Isn’t that cute. In the middle of a breaking story about a man plotting to falsely accuse a person of racism, you… play the race card.
Lol.
Of course you link to a liberal who pretends that a whole lot of people wrote a letter, than in fact one man, mark Williams, wrote.
That letter, by the way, was satire, you idiot. And you know it. You are just another liberal who shouts racism based on the flimsiest evidence, or based on no evidence if none are around, to try to win an argument. Be off with you, you have no place in a serious discussion.
Don’t you get it? We are wise to this trick now. You will never cow us again by calling us racists. Well, truthfully, you and your ilk never cowed me in the first place.
So I guess now, gasp, you will have to rely on reasoned discourse. In other words, you are completely f---ed.
The audience reaction was a bit damning, but not damning of the speaker.
Maybe thats the ironic part of the whole thing. Maybe it wasn't Breitbart who took her story out of context but instead, her audience.
HD House: It is vile to throw around the racist barb at whole groups of people because it makes you feel swell about yourself. Vile and lame and beneath you. You clearly have a good liberal education and are skilled in a number of areas that are, or should be, the envy of many. But to sling that racism shit in any direction that you disagree with is vile.
Now I'm not so sure that the Tea Party isn't a greater threat to the republic.
Why, yes, HD. I can see how the tea party, a grass-roots, widespread group of people that fundamentally believe the federal government shouldn't spend more than it takes in, are a bigger threat to the republic than a man with his hands on the levers of power that feels the underlying principles of that republic are a series of negative rights.
Spot on, as usual.
Now I'm not so sure that the Tea Party isn't a greater threat to the republic.
Since your concept of a Republic is preceded by the letters USS I'd say yeah.
HD House: It is vile to throw around the racist barb at whole groups of people because it makes you feel swell about yourself.
I take it you're new to the postings of hdhouse.....
"it seems clear Breitbart presently a narrowly framed bit of film and didn't care about the the context, nor the effect it would have on this woman."
He didn't fire her. If she is not guilty of anything then she should still have her job. Breitbart is not the one who made that call. The audience for her speech was simply expanded, and she should be retained if she did nothing wrong regardless of what anyone posts on the internet. Maybe her boss should resign next.
I'm curious about all this "the wife of the farmer referenced" stuff. In her entire tenure, did Ms. Sherrod meet with only one white guy?
Hdhouse:
You lie! No one had a deck on their house in the 50's expecially in a flat place like Ohio.
No mention by Althouse of how Breitbart edited the tape to not include the crux of Sherrod's speech, in which she explains how she eventually helped the farmer and implored the audience to see beyond race? Quelle surprise...
Tim:
Very good question.
Breitbart is a partisan hack. He uses heavily edited, misleading video, and misleads the public in his description of the video. He says he only has that edited video someone sent him from Youtube, but now is telling Talking Points Memo, "Sure, I’ll release the entire Shirley Sherrod video — if I can get permission."
This man should have zero credibility already, and certainly none after this. Yet, something tells me he will still be a hero for right-wing "journalism."
bagoh2o said:
"He didn't fire her. If she is not guilty of anything then she should still have her job. Breitbart is not the one who made that call. The audience for her speech was simply expanded, and she should be retained if she did nothing wrong regardless of what anyone posts on the internet."
I agree with this, although I do think it would be a good thing for Mr. Breitbart to publicly clarify the erroneous parts of his previous remarks. But you are right -- he's not the one who fired her.
hdhouse then had the idea for his first patent - asbestos crosses. The rest, as they say, is history.
"I thought she indicated in the video that she decided her own behavior was wrong and sought to rectify it."
According to her, she didn't help him as she would a black farmer. She sent him to his own kind for help.
Pretty clear racism to me. Which is up to her in her personal life, but absolutely not in that job.
bagoh20, none of that excuses Breitbart's deliberately dishonest use of the clip.
FUCK
According to her, she didn't help him as she would a black farmer. She sent him to his own kind for help.
You have not read further, then. That's exactly my point about Breitbart. You've bought this small snippet lock, stock and barrel, and haven't bothered to follow up to the story Althouse links here, which takes up from that point.
zps - no, she doesn't mention it, but she's strung this in with the earlier Journolist and Breitbart threads, and comparing the comments among them all makes for interesting reading.
Cross posted at Patterico:
OMG, the story has actually gotten worse.
Go here: http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/opinion/blogs/Examiner-Opinion-Zone/Shirley-Sherrods-Disappearing-Act-Not-So-Fast-98846149.html
So apparently she led this collective to sue on behalf of black farmers to get justice for them.
The case was captioned “Pigford v. Vilsack.” Okay, lets get all the laugher about how it sounds like about Pig v. Sack out of the way, because sh-- is about to get real.
Okay, so Vilsack is the named party. That would be the same Vilsack who appointed her to a cushy federal job. He would also be the one to decide specifically what to do about this suit.
So look at this line: “New Communities is due to receive approximately $13 million ($8,247,560 for loss of land and $4,241,602 for loss of income; plus $150,000 each to Shirley and Charles for pain and suffering).”
Shirley is Shirley Sherrod. And Charles? That would be her husband. So all told she made $300,000 because as director of this organization they suffered “pain and suffering.” Then after suing Vilsack, he then hired her to be a federal employee. You know in the kind of job she claimed to have endless job security.
Ann's pumping up and celebrating Breitbart's selective deceptive editing of this clip perfectly demonstrates Althouse's lack of good character.
didn't care about the the context, nor the effect it would have
I agree, but the game wasn't invented by Breitbart, he's just playing it by prog rules.
Beth: Too bad isn't it when the race card is employed in a way that doesn't tell the whole, exculpatory, story. But that is the way it has always been. Nice decent conservative caught in wishing an old man a happy birthday and saying it would have been great had that old man been president. But the old man was a one time racist and the birthday wish was a nod to an old man's vanity. No harm anywhere. Too bad isn't it when the shoe is on the other foot.
Yesterday, Ann takes the story of the Tea Party Federation kicking out Mark Williams and his Tea Party Express for his various racist actions, and makes it look like a struggle over the name "Tea Party." Today, as Breitbart is being exposed as a hack for this BS, she just links the story and makes no mention of it.
Back during the Bush days, I enjoyed this blog because it was a place where one could see the stupidity/dishonesty of both political sides. Nowadays, Ann focuses only on the stupidity and dishonesty of the left while whitewashing the actions of the right.
I think she is a racist or at least was when she failed to help that farmer because of his skin color.
But, I also think she could rise above it, and I would give her a long talk and make it clear why her job exists, and how it will be carried out from now on. I think someone like her could still do that job fairly, even if she did see people by skin color first. You simply help everyone based on the numbers, period. Do it, or find another job. This is your final warning on this transgression.
See that's how it's usually handled in private industry when left alone.
But, government regulation combined with a predatory legal industry would likely force me to fire her to avoid getting sued someday for not taking racism serious enough.
Conversely, in a government job where this was discovered, but not made public, she would never be disciplined at all.
She was doomed regardless when it went public. Race is emotional not logical.
The Althouse's of the world think it is good sport to smear this woman who was admitting to her own human frailty and explaining how she had learned a better way. Then when called out on the deceptive editing of the video, not missing a beat, claim that she was thrown under the bus.
Good one Ann! You and Meade must be so proud!
It sure does look like Shirley had kick back agreement with somebody.
It looks like a duck.. it swam like a duck.. but did it quack like a duck?
"You have not read further, then."
But I have. It was the first thing I did.
I think the editing is a trap set by Brietbart.
The thing that's really telling is that Althouse is really good at calling people out on their bullshit, but she won't call Breitbart out. Really shows she's a coward.
Instead, she has this post up deflecting blame on to the administration and ignoring what Breitbart did. Sad.
James: You called Breibart a partisan hack. Look, he's a journalist so its redundant. His hackery is just more fun to watch, more effective and more out in the open. If "journalists" can write about unsupported racial slurs that were supposedly hurled at black congressmen then surely a partisan hack can show video of someone using racist language, wouldn't you agree?
It is creepy how Ann takes personal delight in helping to smear and ruin people.
It may have been the NAACP response that was the point, but it seems clear Breitbart present[ed] a narrowly framed bit of film and didn't care about the context, nor the effect it would have on this woman. (emphasis mine)
@Beth, the effect on this woman is precisely the effect that should happen to someone who tailors the quality of support they provide to the public based on race or gender or any other difference between them and the person they are being paid to support. I like you a lot, but if I were to find out that you give more help to your female students at the expense of male students, then I'd be right at the front of the line agitating for your dismissal.
People who are paid to provide services or support to the public owe it to their employers to do their best for everyone. Not just peple whose background or gender or skin color are similar to their own.
And I'm not dumping on you, personally, Beth, but I am dumping on this pernicious notion that we shouldn't expect too much from African-Americans in position of responsibility.
There is no defending this lady even if there is more to the tape.
She was giving a speech to the NAACP, obviously felt she was among like-minded grievance mongers and told the truth about what she had done in at least this one case [maybe there are others?].
Good point Michael @3:10
Jake, dude, the woman uttered offensive racist language. End of story. You helped erect this absurd house of political correctness, now live in it.
I think the editing is a trap set by Brietbart.
Sweeet!
Well by golly, Faux and the Tea Party scare me too. I saw a cross burning in southern Ohio in the middle 50s. I could see it from our back 2nd story deck. That scared me but over time I found that these folks were just the worst we have among us and let it go at that.
And guess what HD, there is a 98% probability that those burning the crosses were registered Democrats.
I think the editing is a trap set by Brietbart.
it certainly has some people concerned about false accusations of racism , for the first time in their lives. Please don't throw me in the Breitbart patch!
James wrote: Today, as Breitbart is being exposed as a hack for this BS, she just links the story and makes no mention of it.
If were threatened or worried about the Breitbart threat on different matters, I think today would be a good day for that someone to try and discredit him. That may sound paranoid, but the coincidence is a bit odd.
On another topic, Beth, a friend introduced me to the "Dave Robicheaux" mysteries written by James Lee Burke. Are you familiar with them? Do they paint an accurate picture of life in New Orleans and the nearby parishes?
Everyone who has watched the story unfold today, and has seen the full video (such as exists on the Internet) knows that the woman, and her audience, are racists. Blaming Breitbart or the Tea Parties for her racist screed is typical. It's really all the Left knows.
In the real world, whether it's Sherrod or Rev. Wright or Eric Holder or Jesse Jackson, the goal is always the same. Keep black people stupid and angry. Evil scumbags, every one of them.
The White House is now claiming that they had nothing to do with her firing, and Vilsack is claiming that it was his decision.
In light of her $13 million suit this could get pretty interesting.
As to the video:
The left started this game and Breitbart is just playing by their rules. That doesn't mean I'm going to support him, but I also don't care for all the bitching and moaning coming from his opponents.
Vilsack is going to be the next to land under the bus.
someone who tailors the quality of support they provide to the public based on race or gender or any other difference between them and the person they are being paid to support.
Big Mike, reading the link that Althouse provides, the story is that she herself learned that lesson, and presented that as the moral. Think Saul of Tarsus, becoming Paul.
Something's definitely not adding up.
If this alleged incident occurred 24 years ago as Sherrod now claims; why did Vilsack say the following?
"There is zero tolerance for discrimination at USDA, and I strongly condemn any act of discrimination against any person."
Btw, i posted all about the lawsuit at my own blog.
http://allergic2bull.blogspot.com/2010/07/next-shoe-drops-for-shirley-sherrod.html
I think we're finally having that dialog that Bill Clinton wanted us to have. Keeps our minds off other things.
If Breitbart has handled this like a hack, he is just trying to fit in, and I will be disappointed in both of us. I think he knows the downside.
If she was fired because Breitbart was a hack, then it's a clear demonstration of what the problem is in race relations today. Lack of candor, respect, and reason.
The latest meme in the MSM is that this happened long ago and that she made friends with the farmer and has redeemed herself. If so, why the firing and distancing by her employer.
Regardless, THIS did not happen long ago. The speech was recent along with the reaction, which was Breitbart's point - the racism in the NAACP now. I think he showed that, at least better than any I've seen in the Tea Party. Remember, that's how this all started - with a racism charge against millions of Americans for disagreeing with the President.
Those scary voters . . . . .
The point of the video was not this woman nor the USDA. It was the NAACP.
Big Mike, Burke is on my list but I haven't read his novels, just some short stories. I really liked one that was in Esquire a year or so back - "Jesus Out to Sea." I also really liked the movie, In the Electric Mist with the Confederate Dead, but it had Tommy Lee Jones and Levon Helm in it, so what's not to like?
He's really popular in New Orleans, and gets great reviews from local writers, so I'd say, enjoy the reading! I think many local writers tend to romanticize and layer on the atmosphere a bit, but I've had some strange days in Louisiana, so you know, any given moment might be banal, or it might be surreal. From what I've read, Burke gets that.
"Today, as Breitbart is being exposed as a hack for this BS, she just links the story and makes no mention of it."
You know what I think?
I think that both Breitbart and Althouse are racists!
Where's the rhetorical plate-glass windows?! Oh, and get a camera too!
Jim J. said:
"If this alleged incident occurred 24 years ago as Sherrod now claims; why did Vilsack say the following?
'There is zero tolerance for discrimination at USDA, and I strongly condemn any act of discrimination against any person.'"
My speculation is that Secretary Vilsack (or whoever really made the decision and advised him) labored under an erroneous impression conveyed by the Bretibart posting that she had done this while in her USDA post, not 20-some years ago in another job.
I think the right thing to do would be to rehire her, with apologies. The politically savvy thing to do would be to rehire her, with apologies, and with a public explanation that Secretary Vilsack and his deputies had been misled by Mr. Breitbart's misleading reporting, which in retrospect amounted to a libel of Ms. Sharrod.
Breitbart is a lying asshole. He knew he took this story out of context but figured he would try to score points anyway. And it is extremely disappointing that Sherrod was thrown under the bus by the Administration.
Shirley Sherrod said in her defence..
"... I wasn't really sure of what I could do because at that time, I thought they [white people] had the advantages. I learned that was not the case."
Those tree dots at the beginning of the quoted paragraph are from the CNN Story.. meaning CNN also appears to have edited Shirley.
Another thing.. notice the convenient admission (I learned that was not the case) that she was not qualified to do her job.
What extraordinary act can propel someone to admit to such a thing?
I know what..
A racist diatrive caught on tape.
Matt: Why would a post racial administration throw this poor woman under a bus? Why7
And the out of context part is what really hurts. Saying all those racist things at the beginning was her downfall. Better keep them for last or intersperse the good stuff.
The tragedy is that she was speaking to "her kind" and thus there must be someone in that group who "sold her out."
Dangerous to be a progressive today, my boy, very dangerous. All those quick witted comments can haunt.
In the professional world that interracts with Government actions at all levels used to this Fix Is In Mentality that favors the African American's government position over any claim of a white citizen for fair treatment. This lady we would see as better than most that we deal with. The lack of any fear in the African Americans openly saying "screw you white folks...this is ours now" does cause a hopelessness that we are hard pressed to explain to our clients. The past goal also seemed to include causing a white flight to escape these abuses. That has worked to date, but in the depression-like business atmosphere, there is not a good place left to move to.
Hacks always appear much more hacky when they're hacking for the other side.
Hacks don't know they're hacks so they're utterly morally offended when they see other hacks hacking about.
In the meantime, folks who have been the recipient of earlier, and more mainstream, hack attention celebrate their own hacks and tell the new hack objects, "see, this is the sort of stuff we've been complaining about: half videos and partially regurgitated outrage."
I doubt anyone will ever refudiate hackery that helps their own side.
AJ Lynch said...
"You lie! No one had a deck on their house in the 50's expecially in a flat place like Ohio".
3275 Donnybrook Lane, Cincinnati off Compton Road. It was all farms when I lived there and there is still a back deck and across compton road was a farm and that is where it was....you had to look to the left of the Clawsons who lived behind his. Colerain elementary school and proud of it!
@Rich
My speculation is that Secretary Vilsack (or whoever really made the decision and advised him) labored under an erroneous impression conveyed by the Bretibart posting that she had done this while in her USDA post, not 20-some years ago in another job.
I think the right thing to do would be to rehire her, with apologies. The politically savvy thing to do would be to rehire her, with apologies, and with a public explanation that Secretary Vilsack and his deputies had been misled by Mr. Breitbart's misleading reporting, which in retrospect amounted to a libel of Ms. Sharrod.
If you really believe that then, respectfully, your opinion of the competence of those in charge is much lower than mine...and that's saying a lot. If they honestly think they would rush to judgment involving a decision that the media would eat alive, based soley on AB's piece, then they are little better than children playing with fire and it wouldn't be stretch to say that buffoons are running the government.
Sure, it's not a stretch to say that anyway (and fashionable to boot), but this would be a clear cut case of "they have no idea what they are doing".
And it is extremely disappointing that Sherrod was thrown under the bus by the Administration.
Yes, and why do you think that is, Matt? Vilsack knew that this woman was extremely litigious, but fired her anyway without even a cursory investigation. Fascininating.
"Mr. Breitbart's misleading reporting, which in retrospect amounted to a libel of Ms. Sharrod."
Playing someone's own words and admissions is "libaling" them. Stop insulting people's intelligence. If they had a videotape of a white person saying he once thought "black people should go to their own people for help" that person would have been fired. This woman is an obvious racist and admitted her racism and was cheered on by the NAACP.
It doesn't matter that she wasn't working her current job when she did this. What matters is that her actions and apparent pride over them show her to be a racist. And a racist has no business being in her position.
Bruce Hayden said...
"And guess what HD, there is a 98% probability that those burning the crosses were registered Democrats."
in southern ohio - suburban cincinnati? are you nuts?
Paddy O wrote: You know what I think?
I think that both Breitbart and Althouse are racists!
@PaddyO: I've ethusiastically followed your opinions and comments for quite some time and would to know why you say such a thing.
I doubt anyone will ever refudiate hackery that helps their own side.
Poddy O, you get my Palin Hack of the day award ;)
Excellent.
Democrats are blatant, bold-faced, out-and-out racists.
That is a FACT.
oh clearly everyone is a racist, but the people on the stage in the NAACP saying racist things.
Michael
Shirley Sharrod used the example in her speech as a way of saying she learned that her attitude was wrong and she, in fact, did end up helping the white farmer and saving them from bankruptcy. Do you really think someone should give a speech in such a way that assholes like Breitbart can't edit them out of context?
Maguro
I can't spreak for Vilsak. He did the typical stupid knee-jerk thing.
Pollo.. Paddy O was just being sarcastic about ZPS comment at 3:16 PM.. thats all.
I think the mystery of HDH's missing patents may be solved. He thinks they're still in the attic at the old homestead where he used to read by the glow of burning crosses, but google says his memory ain't what it used to be:
We were not able to locate the address:
3275 Donnybrook Lane, Cincinnati OH
Paddy O hacks away and reveals the ugly truth.
Shirley has to answer some questions: What was the farmer's name? When & where did it happen? Who were you working for at the time? Why did you not give that farmer your "full" effect of what you could do? Did you later rectify that act of bias or slight? If so, how did you rectify it? Have there been other farmers? Tell us about this multi-million dollar lawsuit?
Do you have a list with names & amounts of who received the $13 Million? Have you ever been a farmer? When and how long did you farm? Would you give us copies of your fed tax returns for the last 3 years? In this last USDA job, who did you report to? How did you get this job?
wv = sagiess = what my butt does
Breitbart does nothing but inflame both sides (which is the way both the left and right politicians want it- divide and conquer). He should concentrate on the real issue of Obama's lack of Natural Born Citizenship, and ineligibility as POTUS. (Obama Sr. was never a citizen, and Obama owed allegiance to Britain at birth).
I do agree with Ann's original title - I do think that many on the left are getting a bit scared about Fox and the Tea Party. But the party they should be, and I think they are starting to fear is Breitbart, and I think for good reason.
He doesn't make any bones about where he is coming from. He publishes news that favors conservatives and harms liberals. That is the point of his endeavors. He is no less partisan than James Carville. The difference between him and the Journalist people is that they pretend to objectivity. He does not. He figures that the MSM, including the NYT, WaPo, CNN, MSNBC, NBC, ABC, CBS, NPR, etc. will support and spin sufficiently for the left.
Think Saul of Tarsus, becoming Paul.
We atheists aren't supposed to know that story about Saul on the road to Damascus. But I'm not religious about my atheism, so I get the reference. As to whether it's an appropriate analogy, well, I'm dubious. Everybody goes through a great deal of training about the need to respect one another and be even-handed in your dealings with people. I don't remember it being all that different in 1986 vice today.
Slightly off-topic, I personally think that Paul's letters created a Christianity that was somewhat misognynistic -- more so than what Christ seems to be saying in the gospels. But I'm not into religious studies (sacrificing goats to make my programs run right is religion enough for me) so anybody on this thread who wants to challenge me on my interpretation, go talk to the hand.
And yes, the Hornbeck line from "Inherit the Wind" may be applicable in my case. 8-D
Someone in the Obama administration obviously decided that Obama was in big trouble with white voters for doing things like (1) coming down against the arrest of Harvard professor Henry Gates before he knew the facts (2) deciding not to prosecute those New Black Panther poll watchers who were wielding nightsticks and threatening voters.
Summarily dismissing Sherrod is his attempt to salvage Obama's reputation with white voters. Except for liberals, though, who would never desert him no matter what he did, it isn't going to happen. Obama is no more post racial than his favorite preacher, the Rev. Jeremiah Wright.
@Lem: thanks dude. Good thing I deleted my duplicate or I'd look twice as stupid!
Scott M said:
"If they honestly think they would rush to judgment involving a decision that the media would eat alive, based soley on AB's piece, then they are little better than children playing with fire and it wouldn't be stretch to say that buffoons are running the government."
Would not rule it out. In addition there was very likely a calculus based on how the public would perceive Mr. Breitbart's reporting and the consequent need to make a public showing of "zero tolerance" for discrimination. In any case, as I say, I speculate.
John said:
"Playing someone's own words and admissions is 'libaling' them. Stop insulting people's intelligence. If they had a videotape of a white person saying he once thought "black people should go to their own people for help" that person would have been fired."
The libel would be in Mr. Breitbart's mischarterization of her comments as describing her current way of doing business instead of a mea culpa about past bad actions which she claims to regret and to have repudiated. Anyway, I don't know enough about the facts to opine this is legally actionable as libel but I do think describing it as such would be effective in the court of public opinion. I described it as being "politically savvy."
Bruce
> He is no less partisan than James Carville. The difference between him and the Journalist people is that they pretend to objectivity. He does not. He figures that the MSM, including the NYT, WaPo, CNN, MSNBC, NBC, ABC, CBS, NPR, etc. will support and spin sufficiently for the left.
well, there is another difference which is that he actually has the facts on his side. i have not seen the man lie even once.
AJ Lynch
Just what are you smoking today? What the heck are you talking about? Why must Sherrod answer these questions when the farmer's wife has already vouched for her? Are you now saying the farmer's wife is a liar?
It is now breaking (though Ann, Fox, Limbaugh and other rightwing hacks will never cover it) that Breitbart also altered the audio to make it sound like the NAACP were supporting.
Ann, you are now officially a rightwing hack.
Pollo.. yours was a measured reaction to what on the face of it appeared as an attack on our estimable professor.
Commendable.. not stupid.
At the very least, Sherrod was singing the racist theme of the NAACP.
And she's still singing, today telling CNN's number-one on-air buffoon, Rick Sanchez, that at the time of referenced incident, she didn't understand "white" farmers. Having only worked with black farmers - gaming the system. Apparently for many, ea$y million$.
@AJ Lynch
If you read the full account most of what you ask is answered.
Next up, NAACP versus first AA POTUS.
A.W.
What the f*&% do you call what Breitbart just did other than a lie? Christ, dude you're a lawyer. Do you regularly only include some of the facts in order to make a case? Oh wait...you're a lawyer. You DO only present some of the facts. Nevermind.
jake
lol according to whom? and if you say think progress, i am going to laugh at you.
Matt said...
Why must Sherrod answer these questions when the farmer's wife has already vouched for her? Are you now saying the farmer's wife is a liar?
Do you think that Sherrod only dealt with one white farmer while she was in those positions of authority?
It is now breaking (though Ann, Fox, Limbaugh and other rightwing hacks will never cover it) that Breitbart also altered the audio to make it sound like the NAACP were supporting.
Where? Not even the tingles network is carrying anything like that? Link please.
After securing his asbestos cross patent, hdhouse moved on to the pressing problem of boards attached to houses. They had been known as porches since time immemorial, but in order to get his next patent, he had to change their name. He looked down, said - hmm, wood sticking out, I shall name this thing "deck" - thereby profiting from his inability to spell and creating a new construction industry, which to this day erects monuments to his shortcomings worldwide.
The fortune he made on this new product has all been sent overseas to tax havens.
I like this woman, Shirley Sherrod, greatly. The story she tells appeals to me. Shes says her eyes were opened and her heart was changed in the days of yore, muy remotos, at the time when Chapter 12 reorganization for farms was added to bankruptcy code in 1986. Then suddenly video and BANG, fired!
That's impossible.
I eagerly await Whistling Sibilants to descend onto stage deus ex machina to resolve the mistake that some faceless and unknowable WH personage made.
Wow, Beck is eviscerating various folks over how this story has been handled and Sherrod's forced resignation. I'm not a Beck fan and don't watch very often, but I have to say that this is really something to see and hear.
If you go to 3275 Donnybrook Lane, Cincinnati OH, and look under the deck, you'll find 9 patents. I guess.
Allen S
Do you think that Sherrod only dealt with one white farmer...
What is your point? Who cares? And why speculate? You don't seem to understand WHY she told the story. She illustrated the story to show she had learned the error in her way of thinking. WTF? Why is is that you and many on the right refuse to awknowledge that people can actually learn lessons? You seem to live in a simple black and white world [I I don't mean a racial one].
Chip.. you are scaring me with your Latin ;)
My point was your point.
It looks like they're going with the it-would-create-the-wrong-impression-rightly-or-wrongly angle to explain her discharge.
Plus it didn't come from the White House, they say.
Reader @4:20
Don't fall for it reader.. Beck is just trying to keep the story alive..
Not that there is anything wrong with that.
So the clip says answers all my questions Matt?
She got this job how?
Haha CNN just said a white mayor was at the NAACP dinner and left before the Sherrod speech but the white mayor did not hear any hubbub about the speech from those who had stayed for the speech. So there.
Beth...Her attempt to tell a story about a lesson learned needed an upgrade if her desire was to portray a Saul to Paul type of conversion.
The good news is that she has been presented with another opportunity to speak with greater clarity and conviction to an even larger and more diverse audience.
I would like to hear her speak with "truth and reason" as Paul did before King Agrippa when he recounted his version of the experience that changed his life and outlook. He left no doubt as to the point of his story or the strength of his convictions.
Matt
> What the f*&% do you call what Breitbart just did other than a lie?
The truth. It hurts donnit?
Seriously, if she didn’t do anything wrong, why did she resign?
> Why must Sherrod answer these questions when the farmer's wife has already vouched for her?
Well, then there are three logical possibilities:
1) Sherrod’s entire story is a lie.
2) Sherrod is lying about which farmer it was, but she didn’t lie about screwing the guy.
3) The farmer and his wife had no idea how she had screwed them.
Take your pick. Because she clearly stated in the tape she discriminated against a white farmer.
And its beside the point. The point of Brietbart releasing the video was to show how the NAACP reacted, not to take down one bureaucrat. It was to demonstrate that the NAACP tolerated and indeed honored racists.
I mean picture this scenario. There is a tea party rally. At the rally, a man get the bull horn and tells how as a member of the klan he used to lynch black people. The crowd cheers. Then we find out after the fact that he didn’t actually lynch anyone. No story, then?
Of course not. The Liberal media would be all over how the tea partiers cheered lynching. And bluntly, they would be right.
Sherrod confessed guilt by resigning. Oh, and she appears to have gotten a kickback in a settlement. http://allergic2bull.blogspot.com/2010/07/next-shoe-drops-for-shirley-sherrod.html
But really she is beside the point. The point is she told a story of how she discriminated and no one expressed the slightest disapproval. At least not until the video surfaced and then suddenly the NAACP discovered what she said was offensive. Which I find as credible as Obama’s claim he had no idea what a knuckle dragging racist Rev. Wright is.
Shirley Sherrod, who resigned Monday as the department's director of rural development for Georgia, told CNN she had four calls telling her the White House wanted her to resign.
"They asked me to resign, and in fact they harassed me as I was driving back to the state office from West Point, Georgia, yesterday," she said. The last call "asked me to pull to the side of the road and do it [resign]," she said.
There is a lot of spin goin on here.
"It is now breaking"
So the Jornolists are done with their meeting.
When Jake says "breaking now" he means Spencer Ackerman is furiously typing away at his keybord.
WORD Link.
it is so interesting that some of those on here who have so little to contribute, do so so much.
look for donnybrook or street..go north off compton, turn left and we were the second house in...deck is clearly visible.
as to patents, here we go again. start in the late 1960s...i think 67 or 8. do your own work.
@AllenS
Part of the CNN story points out that this was the first white farmer she had worked with, and goes on to say that she was uncertain how to muster the same sort of community support she knew how to raise for black farmers.
Everyone is all TL;DR today.
AllenS said...
If you go to 3275 Donnybrook Lane, Cincinnati OH, and look under the deck, you'll find 9 patents. I guess."
hi Allen...you'd probably find some old fart from Chicago walking around on his hands with his head up his ass....
Politico:
Agriculture Secretary Tom Vilsack this afternoon took responsibility for firing an official, Shirley Sherrod, whose appearance on video recalling her behavior toward a white farmer drew charges of racism, and whose immediate firing drew suggestions that the administration had over-reacted to an edited video clip.
A White House official told me just now that the White House backs Vilsack's decision -- but that it was Vilsack's alone. The official said the White House -- contrary to the Sherrod's charge -- did not pressure the Department to fire her.
LIAR SHERROD!!!!
What is it with people lately being worried that I'm falling for things when I make observations/explore stuff from different POV's? LOL. Like I haven't been doing that for years and years now. It's [mostly] OK, such as in this case, but I find it interesting, and [again, mostly] a little amusing.
In any case, don't worry. I suspect I'll manage to navigate the shoals and keep on going in my own way.
@Pollo, your wrong interpretation is actually a very nice complement. And thanks for the kind words that went with it.
One does have to be careful in these parts to implicate our blog host in any outrage; sarcastic, thematic, or otherwise.
@Lem, thanks for adding the quicker clarification.
Mostly, I was just struck by the living examples of the day's theme.
" When I speak to groups, I try to speak about getting beyond the issue of race.”"
Fine, she is redeemed and that's great.
But she is not the point of the video.
And now, there is the new question of why she was forced to resign.
History shows that this administration never passes up a chance to blow a racial "teaching moment" into a disaster.
Inquiring minds want to know...now.
OK, let's recap what has happened here. Sherrod gave a speech in which she described an instance, 24 years ago, where she was treating people differently due to their race. She goes on to say that she overcame those feelings, etc., etc.
Breitbart posts the heavily edited video, saying that she was describing events that happened recently while employed by the gov't, and only with the parts about treating people differently due to race.
And people here defend Breitbart . . .
I also wonder why she was discussing this case if it was 24 years old. Perhaps the memory 'was seared in her mind"?
Wait a minute!!!
This lady is named Sherrod.
I had to watch her son Edmund play point guard for the Knicks for a whole freaking season!
I DEMAND REPARATIONS!!!!!!!
I think Breitbart was helping to provoke a national conversation, and probably should follow up by sharing a beer with Sherrod, and then maybe a PBS special.
James:
Don't kid yourself. If she worked for a non-profit, where do you think it got its money? I would bet it was funded by the guvmint.
Big Mike,
There is a good deal of controversy regarding the authorship of the Pauline Epistles. Only 7 of the epistles are considered by a wide majority of scholars to have been written by Paul:
-Romans (ca. 55-58 AD)
-Philippians (ca. 52-54 AD)
-Galatians (ca. 55 AD)
-Philemon (ca. 52-54 AD)
-First Corinthians (ca. 53-54 AD)
-Second Corinthians (ca. 55-56 AD)
-First Thessalonians
Those which are generally not believed to have been written by Paul were:
-First Timothy
-Second Timothy
-Titus
-Hebrew
And there is general disagreement about the rest.
I bring this up simply because the sections of the epistles which are generally felt to have been misogynistic are found predominantly in Timothy, Titus, and 1st Corinthians; however the section in corinthians is widely thought to be a post pauline interpolation.
It is widely felt that these dictates about the roles of women were later added to try and marginalize the role of women in the early Church.
Check the latest Althouse post - Sullivan and the Journolist.
Troper.. you are killing me,, lol
You know what they say about living in glass houses and throwing stones.
The NAACP decided to try to label the Tea Party as racist and that stone bounced right back at themselves, by showing the tape of the NAACP members acting with racist attitudes and approving of racist actions.
Unfortunately Ms Sherrod got cut with some of the shards of glass.
As long as Obama is president there will be some right wing forces who will try to use race to separate a majority of Americans from him. It is a pretty crude and cynical strategy, but so be it.
There is a reason Fox News network covered this one hundred times more than anywhere else. That was true with Dr. Gates and Rev. Wright.
President Obama is from a small racial minority group and some political operatives on the right will always see that as his Achilles heel. It is too bad, but understandable, that they overreacted and pushed this woman out. But it is also too bad that Ann Althouse holds her reputation so low as to play footsies with those who are over and over playing this despicable political card.
@jayne, time for me to retreat behind my atheism. I know when I'm beaten.
And people here defend Breitbart
I see that the current incarnation of Journolist and its lackeys have decided to push the "Breitbart selectively quotes" narrative.
We know why.
And your spin wont fly. Breitbart's target was not Sherrod, it was the NAACP and the audience reaction to admissions of racism.
I much prefer RuPaul's first letter to the Kardashians:
It is actually reported that there is sexual immorality among you, and such sexual immorality as is not even named among the Jenners, that one has her stepfather’s wife your mother that beyootch Chris. You are puffed up with botox, and didn’t rather mourn, that he who had done this deed might be removed from among you. For I most certainly, as being absent in a female body but present in it’s spirit, have already, as though I were present, judged you who has done this thing. You go girl.
The bigger problem is that this is the sort of person the administration wants, steeped in the Herbert Marcuse/Cornel West/Noam Chomsky school of race relations, redistribution, and victimization.
Ms Sherrod's real crime was not her feelings, but being caught on tape airing them. She goes under the bus, but vast hordes of others, from Donald Berwick and Elena Kagan to the Obamas themselves soldier on. They are intent on bringing this country down because they have decided (were indoctrinated, if the truth be told) the rest of us do not deserve what we have earned.
What you offer is less of a "recap", James, than a complete rewriting of reality to match the strawmen you've been pushing this entire thread.
"Slightly off-topic, I personally think that Paul's letters created a Christianity that was somewhat misognynistic"
@the hand, I think that you're probably right. Though, I'd suggest Paul himself didn't intend this, but rather that his letters certainly led down a misogynistic road. His "women better keep quiet" couple of verses are certainly not helpful for gender equality.
However, those verses have to be put into the context of his broader ministry and message. Throughout his letters he commends women for their leadership and teaching. Priscilla and her husband Aquilla show up as prominent leaders (and her name being listed first likely means her at least higher social status). Paul also is where we get a great deal of teaching about the Holy Spirit, who works in men and women giving everyone a part and a role and particular ways of contribution.
I think the much of the church historically has quite wrongly read a lot of Paul's letters, focusing on small parts and ignoring some larger themes. Of course, the reason a lot of the letters were written was to correct mistakes the churches were making even in the earliest years, so it's no surprise other mistakes, misreadings, and worse have popped up.
It's hard to take specific, contextualized letters and apply them as systematic theology.
Also, Paul was not a natural born Christian, so probably didn't actually have the right to tell the church what to do. Attempts to impeach his writings have been, thus far, broadly unsuccessful.
back to the topic of the post-racial society that exists under the bus...
Jake: But it is also too bad that Ann Althouse holds her reputation so low as to play footsies with those who are over and over playing this despicable political card.
Oh go fuck yourself. The NAACP started this with their false accusation of racism against the Tea Party. Now they whine when someone returns serve.
Stop clutching your pearls, we know that the left doesn't really believe in the things they lecture us about. You're not bothered by a "despicable political card". you're bothered that your side got beat playing their own game.
As long as Obama is president there will be some right wing forces who will try to use race to separate a majority of Americans from him. It is a pretty crude and cynical strategy, but so be it.
You're a little late with these Journolist talking points, Jake.
We've already read them in the Daily Caller.
@Jake, are you trying to say that we conservatives would be happier about the lousy legislation that has been passed during his administration with his full support, if only he weren't black?
Or perhaps you are trying to say that we'd still be unhappy with Obama if he addressed the economy, passed more sensible healthcare legislation, and actually did get rid of "too big to fail" in his financial reform, because of his skin color?
Some clarification would be helpful.
Regardless of which Donnybrook they call home, felines who preen at the dinner table are predators through and through, consumed with self interest, showing little to no ability to dialog, respectfully or otherwise.
Hiding their shit under decks for others to sniff is more in keeping with their true behavior.
Big Mike, I am saying that there are some conservatives and conservative organizations (Fox News being an obvious one) who are not confident that they can beat Obama on the issues you identified so they try to make it about race every chance they get. It is a despicable political strategy. It use to be called the Nixon southern strategy.
@mamam...
actually I like AllenS a lot. he is a good heart and sticks to his guns. we won't agree on much of anything but that is o'k with me. he gives as good as he gets and i admire him for that.
JournolistLibtard: I am saying that there are some conservatives and conservative organizations (Fox News being an obvious one) who are not confident that they can beat Obama on the issues you identified so they try to make it about race every chance they get.
And you're full of shit.
Imagine if McCain attended a church were "white liberation theology will only accept the love a God that participates in the destruction of the black race"
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