"Of course it's accepted on behalf of young women, like my daughters, who hope men who 'joke' about public displays of sexual exploitation of girls will soon evolve....LOL. I love the way our U.S. military women and men horned in on the big foofaraw.
"Letterman certainly has the right to 'joke' about whatever he wants to, and thankfully we have the right to express our reaction. And this is all thanks to our U.S. military women and men putting their lives on the line for us to secure America's right to free speech — in this case, may that right be used to promote equality and respect."
By the way, it's disrespect that needs to be protected by rights. If what you want is wall-to-wall respectful discourse, fuck rights.
(Photoshop request: Unevolved Letterman — merge a photo of the lecherous geezer talk-show host with the face of an ape or caveman.)
ADDED: XWL has pics.
पोस्ट्स
१८९ टिप्पण्या:
Allah (PBUH) be praised. Mr. Letterman has magnified Allah (PBUH) by demonstrating the immorality and depravity of Sarah Palin who degrades her sex and race by working among men with her face uncovered and by raising daughters to be whores. Allah (PBUH) shall require recompense in the next life. But, praise to Allah (PBUH) that there are brave warriors like Mr. Letterman who will rail against such forms of modernity in this life.
Oh Christ. I think even conservatives are sick of this farce.
Ann --
why are you silent on the incredible events going on in Iran? I don't understand the rightwing's apathy toward what could very well be peaceful regime change. (and please don't pretend that you're not rightwing)
Not necessarily, garage.
At least some conservatives seem to think that getting Letterman fired would train them to exploit the tactics the left has used so freely for decades.
Since when does Princess Sarah believe in evolution?
blake said..."At least some conservatives seem to think that getting Letterman fired would train them to exploit the tactics the left has used so freely for decades."
Really?
Who was the last talk show host the "left" got fired?
And if you really think Letterman is going anywhere...you're even dumber than I thought...and that takes some doing.
"Please don't tell me I should be blogging about some other subject. If you have a tip on what I should blog, email me at annalthouse (at) gmail (dot) com. Otherwise, express yourself. Be interesting. You can digress, but digress creatively. Amuse us!"
[blockquote]it's disrespect that needs to be protected by rights[/blockquote]
Oh, Letterman has the right to expect that the government will not get involved in censoring his vile comments.
Just as we have the right to expect that the government not get involved in my demands that CBS Fire David Letterman
And I have the right to expect that the government not try and stop me from contacting CBS and Letterman advertisers, demanding that they pull their ads.
Fire David Letterman.
Palin should have learned it is her advantage to say the simple right-wing slogan without getting trapped into discoursing on it and showing her lack of thoughtful depth. And the same with learning it is smart to state you simply accept an apology and not verbally tie up the equivalent of your own noose and step into it.
Going without trying to use the apology as a stepping stone for her self-promoting political schtick. Now, because of a bad joke, the Right Wing Goddess is transformed into a champion of the sexually active and non-sexually active females under 18.
Then capping her vapidity off by somehow equating the soldiers in Iraq into being the only Americans somehow currently engaged in an effort for protecting 1st Amendment Rights in the USA..
Who was the last talk show host the "left" got fired?.
Imus.
"Who was the last talk show host the "left" got fired?"
Imus, for the 'nappy hoes' comment.
Sigerson said...: I don't understand the rightwing's apathy toward what could very well be peaceful regime change.
They have been all over it for the last 4 days. Powerline, Aceofspades, gateway, Redstate, LGF, etc... all have numerous posts with thousands of comments and a number of arguments on the subject. You have to actually go visit them to see the extensive content.
You all must forgive my Jeremy. When he was 11, the swimming coach took a shower in the locker room at the same time as Jeremy. Jeremy's been fucked up since then.
I don't understand the rightwing's apathy toward what could very well be peaceful regime change..
Peaceful? Heh, if you call 9 dead and Dinner jacket's thugs beating the piss out of people I have to ask what is the color of sky in your world?
There is probably still some Letterman flesh hanging from her teeth after that razor toothed reply. Blood in the water and she let him reach the life preserver, how kind.
Paul, make sure you don't mention your age. I'm sure CBS cares not a whit about 60+year-olds when it comes to Letterman's show and ad revenues.
Wow "The Left" really doesn't like a taste of its own medicine! Palin has commented on this three times, she can't help it that the State Controlled Media is focusing so heavily on her and trumping it up.
The only reason this story has legs is that the media keep it alive. For those who can't stand Letterman, turn the channel. Those who can't stand Palin can also do the same.
At least some conservatives seem to think that getting Letterman fired would train them to exploit the tactics the left has used so freely for decades..
No false outrage is too big or too small for the professionally aggrieved GOP. Every week a new hissy fit. And I didn't hear Michelle Obama milking a comment comparing her to a gorilla.
And I didn't hear Michelle Obama milking a comment comparing her to a gorilla..
So what? Palin wasn't complaining about the slutty flight attendant crack. I'm sure if her childrens were besmirched she'd be getting medieval on someone's ass.
Professionally aggrieved GOP. That's funny garage coming from a liberal who sees everyone as a victim of oppression in need of a government check.
This comes as something of a let down as I was hoping Gov. Palin would accept her apology on behalf of all the little people who worked so hard get her where she is today.
Michael Graham was also fired as a talk show host after Imus-style pressure from the left.
"No false outrage is too big or too small for the professionally aggrieved GOP. Every week a new hissy fit."
Told you before.
Conservatives learn slow... but they DO learn.
"And I didn't hear Michelle Obama milking a comment comparing her to a gorilla."
And I didn't hear Palin say a single word about the slutty stewardess thing.
The mere thought that conservatives wield as much economic power as the Left and might figure out to employ it in pursuit of their politics the way the Left has scares the hell out of them.
Witness Jeremy's frantic scrambling...
Whether Letterman gets fired or not is pretty much irrelevant to me as his audience isn't terribly much larger than the paltry numbers that Obama's personal network, MSNBC, gets. What's more interesting is just how tolerance the "tolerant" Left has for seeing its own tactics used against it.
I don't understand the rightwing's apathy toward what could very well be peaceful regime change.
Hm, let us count the ways in which the above remark is idiotic.
(1): Ann isn't a right-winger.
(2): *Actual* right-wing blogs (such as, e.g., National Review's "The Corner") are blogging the events in Iran quite extensively.
(3): Calling the events "peaceful" ignores the rising death toll.
As for whether or not Letterman should be fired... that would be the best thing that ever happened to the guy's career. People would actually start watching him again. If you want to punish the guy, leave him on a show that 99% of the country doesn't watch. :)
Professionally aggrieved GOP. That's funny garage coming from a liberal who sees everyone as a victim of oppression in need of a government check..
I don't recall ever saying anything remotely like that. Yet another trademark strawman, which is your custom of course.
Sarah Palin really needs attention. Doesn't she have a job to do somewhere or has the Alaska Governor historically been the police for late night comics?
All she's good at is getting attention and getting into fights. When will she demonstrate the ability to govern well?
Professionally aggrieved GOP. .
Yup. The Republicans specialize in false outrage, fainting spells and righteous indignation.
Governing? Not so much. They hate government and, so, they suck ass at governing.
Hell, they put my country in the ditch and are demanding we keep it there.
And I didn't hear Michelle Obama milking a comment comparing her to a gorilla.
I must have missed that episode of Letterman. Conan? Leno? Stewart? Colbert? Hell, Miller? Beck? Maybe Rush?
I don't recall ever saying anything remotely like that. Yet another trademark strawman, which is your custom of course..
I guess reading your comments all this time must have rubbed off.
"By the way, it's disrespect that needs to be protected by rights. If what you want is wall-to-wall respectful discourse, fuck rights."
True.
But protected speech doesn't mean it has to be approved speech.
There are enough people who honestly don't think that the right to free speech means the right to offensive or "hate" speech... and they will say so in support of actual legislation or speech codes.
Presenting that same thing... that free speech applies to approved speech only... but the other way around... that in order for it to be free speech people have to approve of it... it doesn't work. *Disapproval* does not violate free speech.
In order for there to be free speech, offensive speech must be protected.
And we get to BE offended.
It's part of the deal.
And that comment Palin made on her ability to criticize late night comics having been won by the military.
Where to begin with this witless pander? I think even in Red China they can criticize comedians without being hauled off in the night.
And how many soldiers said "dammit, I'm going to charge this hill so some politician can have a public spat with a late night comedian!"
Dumb.
Hoosier Daddy, please remember:
debating your own strawman is a form of mental masturbation. Please don't wank in public!
Where to begin with this witless pander?.
Funny, I ask the same thing when I see your comments.
And I didn't hear Michelle Obama milking a comment comparing her to a gorilla.
I must have missed that episode of Letterman. Conan? Leno? Stewart? Colbert? Hell, Miller? Beck? Maybe Rush? .
No, it was a racist Republican party leader in South Carolina.
That's your cue to defend his comments and go on the attack against Michelle O.
Hoosier Daddy - The "left" didn't get Imus fired.
Imus got himself fired.
Hoosier Daddy - The "left" didn't get Imus fired.
Imus got himself fired..
Oh that was brilliant Jeremy, just brilliant.
"Yup. The Republicans specialize in false outrage, fainting spells and righteous indignation."
While the Democrats are genuinely outraged, I suppose.
Like when Obama's campaign called the Clinton's racist? And Ferraro racist? And were preemptively "outraged" at the future things that Republicans were going to say but hadn't said yet about how Obama didn't look like the guy on the money?
That genuine outrage?
AlphaLiberal --
"All she's good at is getting attention and getting into fights."
Yes, the leftist attitude that the person who has had the first punch thrown at them is the one "getting into fights". Fits the theme of slander and whine about response.
Jeremy --
And Letterman will have gotten himself fired if he is canned.
Jim - "Whether Letterman gets fired or not is pretty much irrelevant to me as his audience isn't terribly much larger than the paltry numbers that Obama's personal network, MSNBC, gets."
You don't know much about late night TV or where the real profits come from do you?
Letterman makes the network a massive amount of money because the show costs so little to produce and the advertising costs a fortune...probably why they pay him over 32 million a year.
At one point in time Johnny Carson produced 50% of the entire NBC profits with his show and his ratings were only bigger because of a lack of competition...and advertising at that time was much less expensive than today.
Althouse, please sometime go to my favorite restaurant in the whole world.
It is called The Bridge and it is on Lake Wisconsin in Okee.
The food is sublime. I had the most amazing Lake Perch there when I was home last weekend. The hash browns are divine. Salad Bar delish, views of Lake Wisconsin beautiful.
Do it, tell em Titus sent ya.
So she's shooting wolves from her helicopter again. The wolves had better evolve into humans or become Trophys hung on Sarah's wall. Frankly, Sarah's not trying to impress the mensa wing of the blogosphere with her media interview responses...she's auditioning for the role of Warrior Princess Presidential candidate. She has her eye on the correct prize,since our Professor has the other role locked up.
"And Letterman will have gotten himself fired if he is canned."
I agree.
But he won't get fired.
Imus spent years looking for trouble and it finally caught up with him.
He also doesn't bring in anything close to the kind of money Letterman does.
By the way, who here thinks Leno be fired for this:
"Gov. Palin announced over the weekend that her 17-year-old unmarried daughter is five months pregnant. And you thought John Edwards was in trouble before! Now he has really done it."
"The Tonight Show With Jay Leno," 9/2/08
"No, it was a racist Republican party leader in South Carolina.
That's your cue to defend his comments and go on the attack against Michelle O."
Calling Michelle a gorilla or anything remotely similar is entirely outrageous and there is no excuse for it.
Gosh darn it, AL. That was HARD.
Another request fulfilled
(I'm still unskilled with the 'shop, but I'm sure Chip will get around to doing something much better)
Plus, added bonus Andy Kaufman, as a reminder when Letterman really was 'edgy'.
I bet anybody here that Princess Sarah will NOT be the GOP candidate for anything, even V.P., will be nothing more than a terrific fund raiser, and will eventually have a TV show on Fox.
Letterman makes the network a massive amount of money because the show costs so little to produce and the advertising costs a fortune...probably why they pay him over 32 million a year..
I find it amazing that a self described liberal like yourself measures someone's worth by the size of their paycheck.
You might want to be careful with that you might be mistaken for a Republican.
LOL. I love the way our U.S. military women and men horned in on the big foofaraw.
That jumped out for me in her "acceptance" of his "apology".
The whole thing is a farce. Letterman was interested in creating an ongoing controversy for ratings, perhaps culminating in having Palin on the show to "make up". He's done that shtick with McCain, Oprah, Dr. Phil, Madonna and the Clintons.
It seems to me, Palin's primary interest was in making political points rather than protecting her daughters. She bested Letterman here (not so hard to do in this case) but I think she overplayed her hand by making extraneous points.
And thank you to Jeremy for again pointing out why it's unwise to let any slight go unanswered. If an insult is delivered "under the radar" it will be used as proof that no objection may be made in the future.
Garage? Conservatives learn slowly, but we do learn.
"Outrage" and hyper-vigilance isn't just necessary, it's demanded by the opposition.
I thought it was a great response. she appeared to be gracious while sliding the knife to the ribs and giving a shout out to the troops. You have to admire her technique.
And it should be noted that she is sitting right in that spot where feminism and social conservatism meets. Many feminists and most social conservatives are dismayed by the sexualization of women in our culture, especially young girls. You can find them making common cause against Playboy and Hustler. And Palin is right there. Sure, NOW won't ever endorse her to be dog catcher, even, but to the unaffiliated women I bet she is hitting all the right notes. Well played.
This is the real reason why the left hates and fears her: because she is actually pretty savvy.
Olig... snarks
Yes, the leftist attitude that the person who has had the first punch thrown at them is the one "getting into fights". Fits the theme of slander and whine about response. .
So, I guess you to complete the following sentence and could not:
"Sarah Palin is good at governing, which you can see by her accomplishments in...."
There is no end to that sentence!
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Sheepman:
It seems to me, Palin's primary interest was in making political points rather than protecting her daughters. She bested Letterman here (not so hard to do in this case) but I think she overplayed her hand by making extraneous points. .
Agreed! She has these spats on a routine basis to pose as a champion of something besides her own ambitions.
Whenever I think of Sarah Palin I think of Sarah Palin doing it.
But what red blooded American man doesn't.
She's got it going on.
Tits, Ass, Bode, Hair, Face.
I picture her on top of me, hair down all over her face, riding my hog, moaning, saying things like deeper, deeper, deeper, while she is deepthroating her middle finger.
Alpha
the gorilla thing is terrible if true and it its all its cracked up to be. care to provide a link?
Palin is so gracious. When she asked for an apology, did she want an apology or did she want to prolong her moment in the limelight? It is now clear.
Synova said..."And thank you to Jeremy for again pointing out why it's unwise to let any slight go unanswered. If an insult is delivered "under the radar" it will be used as proof that no objection may be made in the future."
Translation.
And I didn't hear Michelle Obama milking a comment comparing her to a gorilla..
Didn't he refer to the gorilla as one of her ancestors? I suppose if you subscribe to evolution rather than creationism then there is some truth to that for all of us ;-)
"Sigerson said...
Ann --
why are you silent on the incredible events going on in Iran? I don't understand the rightwing's apathy toward what could very well be peaceful regime change. (and please don't pretend that you're not rightwing)"
I consider myself conservative, but I'm anything but apathetic toward this issue. A couple of salient points, though, if you would...
First, it simply doesn't matter who won the election. Iran is a control officially in the grip of a theocracy and they call the shots. Any civil authority is derived from them and they can just as easily take it away. Populist uprisings aside, I think this may be your average tempest in a teacup. Do I want them to break free and set up a secular democracy on the Iranian people's own terms? Yep.
Second, we're mostly waiting to see how the President is planning on handling it. Logically, he's correct in saying that given recent decades, any active US involvement may be counterproductive. But this is, honestly, weaksauce. Besides, when is the last time politics worked from a base of logic? The US needs to actively, even if covertly, assist the opposition at this point.
And third, though this won't be popular if the phrase "blood for oil" has ever cross your lips or fingers, GWB (even though I'm a huge critic) gets credit here. The invasion allowed the creation of a fledgling democracy next door in Iraq. Even the Lebanese are giving him credit for the effect the reality in Iraq had on their recent elections.
Jeremy...You are on. When Sarah is nominated, then you donate $100 to her campaign. If she is not nominated, then I will donate $100 to the political candidate of your choice. This is like betting on golf, it makes you concentrate on the next shot. Your shot.
Joseph - ON the nosey.
Palin is playing this for all it's worth.
Funny how the Republicans recently polled didn't include her in the final 4.
Maybe they're smarter than we think...I mean, how can you go wrong with Rush, Cheney and Newt.
Never mind...
Really, Jeremy. It's time to listen to Mommy and SHUT THE FUCK UP!
the gorilla thing is terrible if true and it its all its cracked up to be. care to provide a link?.
No one could have predicted we'd get daily updates on the Letterman saga and nary a mention of a Gooper comparing an escaped gorilla to Michelle Obama. That's Instapundit straight down the middle I tell you. Sensible. Moderate. Serious!
Professor, do you actually like these sorts of distasteful jokes and character assassinations? You seem to routinely defend things like Letterman's offensive joke and the boorish (at best) behavior of the AutoAdmit cretins. It's one thing to defend their right to say such things (Letterman certainly was engaging in Constitutionally protected speech), but another entirely to determine that there's really nothing wrong with it, and those who oppose it are just uptight.
Many feminists and most social conservatives are dismayed by the sexualization of women in our culture, especially young girls. .
You know I believe this for the most part, but why the hell would they support Fox Broadcasting, the T&A networks? I honestly don't get this.
The Fox Channel has some of the sleaziest programming on TV today
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Aaron, here you go:
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/06/16/michelle-obama-gorilla-co_n_216178.html
This is also head-shaking worthy:
State GOP staffer sends racist image of Obama.
http://thinkprogress.org/2009/06/15/racist-image-eyes/
Uh, I think Althouse has spoken out against Mr Letterman pretty forcefully over this incident.
I think the joke was terrible, too, for what it's worth. I just also think Sarah Palin is a no-talent opportunist.
Wow, Jeremy. they created a whole new identity to go after you.
i'm jealous.
I like Palin's tits. They are nice. They are round. They are supple. I bet she has nice nipples. They are patriotic. They stand at attention. They salute the American Flag.
Tits.
PatHMV - Letterman was telling a joke via his Top Ten.
He's a comedian/talk show host.
You consider comedians and their routines to be something Americans should be overly concerned with?
Ever hear of Mort Sahl or George Carlin or Lenny Bruce?
No worries AlphaLiberal. I'm only here to watch out for my son's best interests. If he wants Mommy's sugar tonight, he knows to behave.
AlphaLiberal said..."Wow, Jeremy. they created a whole new identity to go after you."
It's standard fare.
Wingnuts are gutless.
Jeremy, you're still not listening to Mommy. I will beat the ever loving shit out of you if you don't get off that computer and get to the package store to get Mommy her Pall Malls and case of Schlitz. GET THE FUCK GOING!
Sarah Palin really needs attention. Doesn't she have a job to do somewhere or has the Alaska Governor historically been the police for late night comics?
How much time do you think it takes to put out a statement or answer one question, AL? I mean, it’s not like she’s been doing the talk show circuit, has she? (If she has, I’ve missed it). If I had a 14 year old and some creepy old man decided to talk about her sex habits, I think I could fit 10 minutes in my day to call him an asshole.
Oh, baby. Did Mommy upset you? Come here and let me give you a big Mommy kiss
traditionalguy said..."Jeremy...You are on. When Sarah is nominated, then you donate $100 to her campaign. If she is not nominated, then I will donate $100 to the political candidate of your choice."
You're on.
Save this and we can do what we promise.
I want to do some of the Iranian protesters. The hoods and masks turn me on.
Shanna - "I mean, it’s not like she’s been doing the talk show circuit, has she?"
Actually she has.
Stop talking to Shanna, Jeremy. What did Mommy teach you about strange women? Now like I said earlier, run on down to the package store like a good boy. You know how I get when I'm out of smokes and hooch
Palin shows how cliches can work like mixed metaphors.
Arturius said..."Didn't he refer to the gorilla as one of her ancestors? I suppose if you subscribe to evolution rather than creationism then there is some truth to that for all of us ;-)"
Yeah, I'm sure that's what he intended...to further a discussion of evolution.
Does it feel strange...defending a racist asshole?
Jeremy, you know what I told you about being a racist asshole. Everyone - I'm sorry for Jeremy. When he was 13, we let him watch Mandingo and he's been fucked up ever since.
saying things like deeper, deeper, deeper, while she is deepthroating her middle finger.
She's trying to make herself vomit?
No one could have predicted we'd get daily updates on the Letterman saga and nary a mention of a Gooper comparing an escaped gorilla to Michelle Obama.
I haven’t heard of this until now, but it’s not exactly surprising that the Letterman thing would get more press. He’s a nationwide public figure who has been on the air for 20 years. There is video tape of his comments, and he has pseudo apologized twice, prolonging the fervor. I have no idea who this goober in SC is, but if he said something racist he’s a jerk.
Synova said..."And thank you to Jeremy for again pointing out why it's unwise to let any slight go unanswered. If an insult is delivered "under the radar" it will be used as proof that no objection may be made in the future."
Yep, Synova. The Leno thing just got lost in the muck (although at least it was actually funny, unlike the Letterman joke. I give more leeway to inappropriate jokes that are funny).
Palin is the Jane Goodall of humor.
Actually she has.
Has she? I don't watch alot of talk shows but I haven't seen it mentioned.
Shanna - "Yep, Synova. The Leno thing just got lost in the muck (although at least it was actually funny, unlike the Letterman joke. I give more leeway to inappropriate jokes that are funny)."
Actually "funny" because it included John Edwards as the punchline?
But it was still a "funny" joke about an underage kid...right?
I hope Palin's cooch isn't too stretched out from popping all the kids out. That would be my only concern. Or if it was stretched out I hope she had a coochieplasty surgery to tighten it back up so it can grab a hog hard.
Shanna said..."Has she? I don't watch alot of talk shows but I haven't seen it mentioned."
Try reading.
'what could very well be peaceful regime change'
In your dreams.
The odds are good that North Korea and Iran are working together to produce missiles with nuclear warheads in the next couple of years. That's not going to change.
When Bush was in office there was a brief window of opportunity to attack Iran's nuclear program, but that window has been slammed shut by the Democrats.
The Iranians are not going to change, and certainly they are laughing their asses off at the pathetic ramblings of our President as he twists in the wind. They can certainly see that he and his administration are weak and way out of their depth in statecraft.
I fully expect a nuclear attack on Israel and possibly Japan by the end of Obama's first term.
A stretched out coochie is a sad affair.
You have to forgive my Jeremy. When he was 9, I let him attend gay pride wearing the "Relax" t-shirt we got at a Frankie Goes to Hollywood concert. My husband said Jeremy would be fucked up as a result, and he was right.
Does it feel strange...defending a racist asshole?.
No since I wasn't defending him. I apologize if my attempt at humor is not quite as sharp as the late night talk show circuit.
My doc, who has many gay patients said he can tell when someone is a big bottom, their ass is all stretched out.
I don't get fucked. He told me I have a prostate like a 12 year old boy. One of my many strong attributes.
When will she demonstrate the ability to govern well?
The people of Alaska seem to think she's doing a pretty good job, which is why she's the most popular state governor in the country.
I won't even let someone put their little finger up my ass.
thank you.
Now if they want to lick my ass I am ok with that.
"No one could have predicted we'd get daily updates on the Letterman saga and nary a mention of a Gooper comparing an escaped gorilla to Michelle Obama. That's Instapundit straight down the middle I tell you. Sensible. Moderate. Serious!"
Or is it rather that everyone defending Letterman, including himself, dragged it out for a week while anyone who even hears of the "Gooper" using "Michelle" and "gorilla" in the same sentence issues a denouncement. Without an argument what's to keep it in the limelight?
I said at the time... what's so very hard about a simple statement that the children of politicians are off limits and Letterman's "joke" was inappropriate? And if his true apology was issued immediately instead of another very rude joke... would we still be talking about it at all?
Women, if your man asked you to lick his ass would you?
Or is it rather that everyone defending Letterman, including himself, dragged it out for a week while anyone who even hears of the "Gooper" using "Michelle" and "gorilla" in the same sentence issues a denouncement.
Exactly. It's hard to drag out an argument when no one disagrees.
Try reading.
Heh. What am I supposed to be reading? The scholarly journal of Sarah Palin talk show appearances? A brief google was not informative and that’s really all the time I’m willing to commit to searching this out. If you actually know of some talk show she was on yesterday you could just actually say it!
Jim Howard said..."The odds are good that North Korea and Iran are working together to produce missiles with nuclear warheads in the next couple of years. That's not going to change."
Show me a reputable report from any military experts who believe this. The last missile North Korea fired went directly into the ocean and the Iranians have never shown the ability to do anything you suggest.
You're just spouting the standard right wing talking points we can hear every day from the fear mongers on Fox.
"But it was still a "funny" joke about an underage kid...right?"
Yes, it was. Sort of late to complain but we can hope that Leno takes a lesson from Letterman and doesn't do similar things in the future.
Shanna said..."Heh. What am I supposed to be reading? The scholarly journal of Sarah Palin talk show appearances?"
Newspapers would be a good start.
There are also plenty of sources via the internet.
Or, hey...try a shot at Google.
Heh.
What talk show has Palin been on?
I saw an interview she did (didn't Althouse link it?) but nothing beyond that.
Jim Howard said..."...she's the most popular state governor in the country."
You mean "she was" one of the most popular.
Ever since being exposed as pretty much of an uninformed fool during the campaign, and with all of her problems in Alaska...she's far from the most popular right now.
"she's far from the most popular right now."
So who is? You must know who is, if you know she is not.
Put up or shut up, Jeremy.
I want to know which talk shows she's been on, Jeremy.
You said she's been doing them... you claim to know.
So which ones?
Synova said..."What talk show has Palin been on?"
Today Show
Hannity
Wjenever someone uses the word evolved my hackles go up. Palin said evolved? A sure sign she's no conservative. Of course she's leagues better than our freakshow president and if the Pubbies nominate her she's got my vote but I'll know in advance her administration won't be conservative.
The people of Alaska seem to think she's doing a pretty good job, which is why she's the most popular state governor in the country.
Was. For example, read this. True, it's a month old. Or This.
There's a very interesting article here correlating gubernatorial popularity with state population.
Synova,
Sarah Palin is no longer the most popular governor in the country. That title now belongs to Connecticut Republican Governor M. Jodi Rell. Rell has a 70% approval rating (4.10.09). Connecticut has five times the population of Alaska.
Sarah Palin is no longer the most popular politician in Alaska.
Senator Lisa Murkowski is. She is polling at a combined approval of 76.3%. Lisa Murkowski avoids drama. Alaskans, while not always agreeing with her, agree she is, unlike Sarah Palin, at work.
(Shannyn Moore - Posted: May 6, 2009)
The new Hayes Research polls show the governor Palin at 54% combined approval and 41.6% combined disapproval. 30% of her former fans now boo her.
BTW, didn't Palin just conclude some sort of major pipe-line deal?
Doesn't sound like she's neglecting her duties at all.
Particularly as part of her duties as governor of Alaska is to do everything she can to keep ANWAR in the public eye and lobby to get restrictions on drilling moderated, which she was definitely on about in the single news interview I saw... was it with Hannity?
That's doing her job.
Oh, Jeremy. You don't have to play mental dress-up on here. Mommy will let you wear the panty hose again. Just run down to the package store, get my Pall Malls and Schlitz, and you can play with anything in my closet. NOW GET THE FUCK GOING!
ricpic - "Wjenever someone uses the word evolved my hackles go up. Palin said evolved? A sure sign she's no conservative."
This intellectual giant evidently thinks anybody who believes in evolution can't possibly be "conservative."
Does this not tell you why the GOP is in big trouble?
OMG... Sarah Palin was on a grand total of two news shows, granted, soft-news, but hardly Opra or Letterman or "The View"... still, I suppose that "two" is probably the minimum for something to be a "circuit."
I wish Todd had accepted Letterman's invitation. I'd have paid to watch that. 'Cause I think Todd would have given David a quick lesson in manners, Alaskan style. Then they would have both gone to the hospital -- Dave to get his ass fixed and Todd to get his shoe back.
I suspect that CBS would have tried to edit that out of the tape, but I'll bet a year's salary that someone would post it on YouTube, where it would go viral in a day.
I need to check out the full text of Sarah's remarks. I sort of like the "evolved" bit, but I think she needs a better speechwriter overall because the "men and women of the armed forces is a bit over the top."
But Sarah certainly had a point -- a man who would think what Letterman said was funny does not deserve to be classifed as a 21st century male h. sapiens.
Big Mike said..."I wish Todd had accepted Letterman's invitation. I'd have paid to watch that. 'Cause I think Todd would have given David a quick lesson in manners, Alaskan style."
Yeah, probably a huge fistfight, huh?
Duh.
Oh, Synova. Just ignore my son. He's bad with people, and being here just makes him furious. You should see how his little eyes get even more narrow and his little hands type so fast trying to search Google for any quote or little factoid. It's just him, his computer and me - Mommy.
Meanwhile, Mommy needs her sauce and smokes so GET OFF YOUR FAT ASS JEREMY AND GET DOWN TO THE PACKAGE STORE
Oh, Jeremy. Let's not get into your fist fetish again. We bought our Jeremy a poster of the Olympians making the black-power salute and he got the wrong idea.
Synova - It's Tuesday.
Letterman's joke was about 5 days ago and she was on two top-rated shows within hours.
And I bet she appears on his show, too.
This is just Princess Sarah keeping herself in the public eye.
Synova - The Princess is such a good governor, who loves her job sooooooo much...she just announced she's bailing out.
Next move - Out of Alaska.
Hide and watch.
Jeremy, my sweet princess. He really hates it when we call him that. But he has such soft, supple, girlish pink lips, we could never help it. Jeremy, do be a good princess AND GET MOMMY'S CIGARETTES. NOW PUSSY!
the latest Republican racist comment for which they will probably not apologize:
JUST HEARD OBAMA IS GOING TO IMPOSE A 40% TAX ON ASPIRIN BECAUSE IT'S WHITE AND IT WORKS.
the latest Republican racist comment for which they will probably not apologize:
"JUST HEARD OBAMA IS GOING TO IMPOSE A 40% TAX ON ASPIRIN BECAUSE IT'S WHITE AND IT WORKS"
@ Alpha......Until you provide a link and a citation on who said this, I am going to assume that you are a liar and making it up.
Making random statements on the internet accusing nameless people of saying unconfirmed things is not the same thing as presenting coherent arguments.
I don't think the pipeline deal is done, though ExxonMobil is behind it.
Murkowski doesn't care for it:
http://community.adn.com/adn/node/141571
DBQ:
Use the google. I didn't make it up.
http://tpmdc.talkingpointsmemo.com/2009/06/south-carolina-gop-operative-doesnt-deny-racist-tweet-against-obama.php?ref=fpblg
Bunny - Indigo Journal, a liberal blog in South Carolina, reports that GOP operative Mike Green posted a racist joke about President Obama on his Twitter account over the weekend -- and in a brief conversation with TPM, Green did not deny it. (Late Update: Green has now admitted it in a new set of Tweets, and apologized. See new section after the jump.)
Green posted this, then deleted it some time later:
JUST HEARD OBAMA IS GOING TO IMPOSE A 40% TAX ON ASPIRIN BECAUSE IT'S WHITE AND IT WORKS.
The apology:
Then this:
I sincerely apologize for the comments I made on Twitter yesterday. I made a mistake.
And finally, this:
I realize that my comments were hurtful, wrong and have no place in civil discourse.
Bunny - Indigo Journal, a liberal blog in South Carolina, reports that GOP operative Mike Green posted a racist joke about President Obama on his Twitter account over the weekend -- and in a brief conversation with TPM, Green did not deny it. (Late Update: Green has now admitted it in a new set of Tweets, and apologized. See new section after the jump.)
Green posted this, then deleted it some time later:
JUST HEARD OBAMA IS GOING TO IMPOSE A 40% TAX ON ASPIRIN BECAUSE IT'S WHITE AND IT WORKS.
The apology:
Then this:
I sincerely apologize for the comments I made on Twitter yesterday. I made a mistake.
And finally, this:
I realize that my comments were hurtful, wrong and have no place in civil discourse.
Ooops.
My poor Jeremy is furiously repeating himself on here as you have all worked him into a white hot lather. I love my boy so much, I'll let him sleep in Mommy's bed tonight.
Well, good for him for apologizing, as least.
It's a shame that so many racists see African-Americans as lazy. African-Americans helped to build this country, usually at reduced or no wages.
Their low wages also built many white family fortunes.
Use the google. I didn't make it up
Why should I do your research?
AL, can you define for us "GOP operative?" The idiot in SC who made the racist twitter post is, according to the article, not employed by any Republican politician or organization. So, a more accurate headline would be "Random Douchebag on Twitter Apologizes for Racist Tweet." Seems to have nothing whatsoever to do with the GOP, and no relevance to anything. It is hard to believe that Talking Points Memo would spin their headline though. You know, because they're such a credible source of information. Good work all around, AL.
He will do the research for you, Dust Bunny Queen. My Jeremy doesn't have much else to do but this. But MOMMY NEEDS HER SMOKES, so put down the mouse, put on your pumps and GET YOUR PALE WHITE ASS TO THE PACKAGE STORE, JEREMY!
Alpha
Interesting point about fox broadcasting, but i don't really see the support the conservatives give the news channel rallying behind fox tv.
I think it all shows that rupert isn't a conservative, so much as a libertarian and a bit of a hedonist, and before all of that, a capitalist. As one wag put it about fox news, leave it to murdoch to find a niche market that previously hadn't been served: half of america.
as for the link, normally i don't consider huffpo to be a reliable source (and forget thinkprogress--I have caught them in outright lies), but i will make an exception. yep, sounds like he has some explaining to do, and i think its almost impossible to come up with any explanation that would be good enough.
although i will also say this. i call people ape-men and the like all the time, and it is an equal opportunity thing with me. I have commented that Issaac Asimov and Stephen King look like something out of Planet of the Apes, just off the top of my head. What is odious is the exclusive association of black people with apes, in some people's minds. The best scientific evidence says we are all descended from apes, and all resemble them to some degree. Someday the rest of us will get over race to the point that our children, or grandchildren won't even understand why this is an issue.
To quote reynolds, faster please.
Hasnt this Letterman-Palin thing been beaten to death? Can we drive a stake through the heart of this topic?
So, a more accurate headline would be "Random Douchebag on Twitter Apologizes for Racist Tweet."
Also, both were posted on social networking sites, not said on national tv. They're still jerks, but nobody denies the existence of jerks in this country. It's stretching to try to pretend these comments and Letterman are at the same level.
Also, it sounds like they are both in SC. Is someone in south carolina hardcore monitoring everyone's social networking sites this week? Kind of odd.
I'm really disappointed in you Jeremeys Mother.
I went to your blog and you have no photos of your son or your family or your trailer house. I would think that a loving mother could at least post some family memorabilia and photos.
Don't feed the troll!
Jeremy's Mother of course.
We had some lovely pictures of Jeremy's circumcision, but it ended badly and he has half of one ball but not much else. I could try to post those for you.
And I resent that Garage Mahal. Mommy's boy may be a troll, but he's my troll, even if he only does have only half of one ball.
When this episode began, I thought Palin and the GOP were making a mistake politicizing what was just a late-night host's joke. But I can see I was way wrong. Palin's seemingly authentic reaction has revived her career -- ironically by her staking a claim to the role of feminist leader. Old-school 1970s feminism to be sure -- no tortured deconstructionism a la Naomi Wolf for her -- but still, someone conservative women can rally around as speaking for them better than the males who dominate the GOP.
Of course her anti-choice views bar her from being accepted as a feminist by many. But my guess the population cohort of pro-life feminists is pretty large, and now Palin owns them.
By the way, she's not "bailing" on serving as governor of Alaska. She's been noncommittal about running for another term. Bailing isn't the right word for choosing not to run for re-election.
XWL writes on his blog about really loving Letterman as a kid. When I first discovered "Late Night" I thought it was the coolest thing I'd ever seen. I remember talking to kids at school about it, many if whom thought it just weird or boring. Anyway, agree with XWL: screw 2009 Letterman.
When this episode began, I thought Palin and the GOP were making a mistake politicizing what was just a late-night host's joke. But I can see I was way wrong. Palin's seemingly authentic reaction has revived her career
Yeah, playing the victimization card sure worked for Carrie Prejean in the end. Sarah's sure to ride her faux outrage and incoherent rants right to Pennsylvania Ave.
At least the general public knows she's not a Creationist now.
Of course her anti-choice views bar her from being accepted as a feminist by many. But my guess the population cohort of pro-life feminists is pretty large, and now Palin owns them.
Not necessarily, John. You assume, wrongly, that abortion is the central be-all end-all issue for feminists or for conservative women. I consider myself to be all of the above a conservative feminist woman who is moderately pro choice and actually fairly ambivalent on the issue. Have an abortion. It's your choice: just don't expect me to fund it with my tax dollars.
I admire Palin as a feminist (old school) because of her accomplishments without having to ride in on the coat tails of a man as has Hillary and Michelle. I don't always agree with her religious views or all of her statements. However, she has done a damned fine job of competing and holding her own in a distinctly male occupied profession yet has not lost her femininity or sacrificed her family in the process.
Dust Bunny Queen said..."Why should I do your research?"
He didn't ask you to do any "research."
You insinuated he was lying and he told you where you could verify what he posted.
You're just embarrassed by being shown to be wrong.
John Stoddard - "Palin's seemingly authentic reaction has revived her career..."
Revived her career???
Most of the people here think the woman is our next President.
Where did her career go? The woman is in the news 7 days a week.
You all must understand that my Jeremy is really a good boy. But when he was 15, he went on a date with a girl named Sarah. She discovered he only has one half of one ball, and the dated ended quickly and badly with her screaming at a Fuddruckers that my Jeremy is a fat eunuch. Who wouldn't lash out at anyone named Sarah after that?
knox said..."Anyway, agree with XWL: screw 2009 Letterman."
Gosh, I sure hope he doesn't hear about this, Knox.
Imagine how this will effect his life and career.
Sheeeesh.
Oh, baby. John Stoddard meant well. He's just not freaked out by women named "Sarah" like you are. Now come to Mommy's room and let me take care of you like only Mommy can.
Palin thread. Guranteed 300 comments at least. Good going Althouse you sure know how to get the traffic!
Jeremy - one thing for sure, the very existence of Sarah Palin is driving you mad. Like a splinter in your brain.
Why are you egging him on then? My Jeremy can't stand Sarah Palin or any other "Sarah" for that matter because of what happened to him before. He's got so much pent up anger from that, and he's got sexual frustration since he can't even masturbate, having only one half of one ball and all. And then you all mock him, torture him, and anger him mercilessly.
Dust Bunny - "I admire Palin as a feminist (old school) because of her accomplishments without having to ride in on the coat tails of a man as has Hillary and Michelle."
So you just dismiss Hillary and Michelle's personal accomplishments before their husbands were elected to office?
And you respect Palin much more because she was elected Mayor of a city with about 15,000 people and Governor of Alaska?
Alex said..."Jeremy - one thing for sure, the very existence of Sarah Palin is driving you mad. Like a splinter in your brain."
I don't even know what that means.
The thread is about the Princess.
SHould I be commenting about golf?
Notice how we haven't heard anything from Palladian or Pogo.
Can anybody take a guess why?
Oh, my Jeremy. You are right. This is about Princess. Princess Jeremy. The prettiest princess in the whole trailer park!
"Yeah that’s right, the military. She weaves the military into her apology acceptance. Perhaps only once in a generation can a trashy politician stretch ambition and shamelessness into this large a surface, a playing field, on which to act like an idiot. Here she has thanked the United States Military, the fine folks fighting the Taliban and stuff in various Middle East wars, for achieving its “real” overseas goal, which was to “secure” part of the First Amendment from the terrorists — one of them was keeping the little scrap of paper in his pocket — so that David Letterman and Sarah Palin could legally bicker about baseball sex jokes on teevee and Facebook for a couple of weeks.
"But here’s a different question: Why does Sarah Palin treat her 14-year-old daughter, Willow, like a piece-of-shit Nerf shield? That’s the real story. Willow’s mother, Sarah Palin, thinks of her young, impressionable daughter as nothing more than a six-month-old McDonald’s bag, reeking of moldy onions, found under the car’s front seat when she’s desperately searching for something to vomit in after downing 20 Crown Royal & gingers, and meth, at eight in the morning.
"Because obviously Letterman was making a joke about Bristol Palin, the girl who famously got “knocked up” last year, and not about 14-year-old Willow, who did not. Sarah Palin understood this, guaranteed, and then chose to launch a desperate publicity stunt about how an OLD MAN wanted to RAPE the 14-YEAR-OLD daughter WILLOW. Surely Willow loved seeing her name plastered all over teevee and the Internet like this. Thanks Mom! Go Mom, 2012!"
Notice how we haven't heard anything from Palladian or Pogo.
Can anybody take a guess why?
Because you are here?
Dust Bunny - Have you apologized for calling people liars?
Did you figure out how to use Google?
Palladian or Pogo is here...
"Bristol Palin, the girl who famously got “knocked up” last year..."
But, but...I thought...abstinence works...
Oh, wait...
Dust Bunny - Have you apologized for calling people liars?
Nope, because what I said was until AL posted a link I would "assume" he was lying. Since he posted a link, I no longer assume that in this particular instance.
Did you figure out how to use Google?
I don't need to look up your references for you. If you want us to believe you, that is YOUR responsiblity. This is why most of us feel you are full of shit. No sources
"Palladian or Pogo is here..."
They am?
Oh, more than anyone, my Princess Jeremy knows that abstinence doesn't work. We tried birth control pills laced with thalidomide. While that doesn't explain him having one half of one ball (that was the botched circumcision), it does explain the stumps below the knees.
DustBunnyQueen - you would love to see how my Jeremy types on here uses google. His fingers are long and thin, and he has a disorder which results in long sharp witchy fingernails. The children in the trailer park may call him The Stumpy, Obese, Mostly Asexual, Wicked Witch of the Park. But I call him Princess Jeremy - Mommy's very special boy.
Who are you quoting, Zach?
http://wonkette.com/409216/a-few-vaguely-related-palin-letterman-thoughts-and-more
Ah.
Well, that explains it.
I don't think that Gov. Palin resurrected her national political career, because I don't think she ever gave it up, and she has not faded all that much from the limelight.
What had to happen was the edge had to be removed from the general perception of her provided by the MSM, the Obama campaign, and the leftist netroots. And that hasn't totally disappeared, but I think is somewhat tempered.
What she needs is some exposure, just too much, for the next year or two, so that she remains in our minds, without becoming overexposed (as our current President is getting). A blowout election in 2010 would be useful, so I see her running again for governor. Maybe.
I do expect that this sort of thing will continue. I think that she came out of this improved, at the expense of Mr. Letterman. But now that she is no longer part of a national campaign, I think that she can better time her moves.
This whole trip was planned, I think, around portraying Gov. Palin as a feminist, and Mr. Letterman fell into it, almost as if planned. She comes out with her credentials burnished, and he has his tarnished. All in all, a good trip.
So, yes, Letterman played his part, and so she was right in accepting his apology.
Sarah Palin - "it was all part of the plan"
Just joined this post already in progress - wow, that's a lot of comments to get this far:
Alpha Liberal:
debating your own strawman is a form of mental masturbation.
Did YOU Alpha - the supreme master of strawman creation - actually say that?!
HA ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha
Thanks for the laugh, man. You ARE funny!
Oh . . . I can't even write, that was so funny!
Okay . . . composing . . . get it together here . . .
You do know Alpha that Fred Phelps is one your sides heroes, don't you? Fred Phelps of the Westboro Baptist Church - the guys who make the signs
"God hates fags" (displayed at funerals),
"God hates the Jews"
"God hates _____"
You do know that Fred Phelps is a Democrat don't you?
That Fred Phelps got 31% of the DEMOCRAT PRIMARY vote in the 1992 Kansas Senate race. He also was a bid Al Gore supporter and fund raiser in the 80's and into the early 90's.
What is it with you Democrats and your bigoted people. You should caution them to stop saying all that shit because it might incite weaker minded people to violence.
AlphaLiberal --
Olig... snarks
I write so you may understand.
So, I guess you to complete the following sentence and could not:
"Sarah Palin is good at governing, which you can see by her accomplishments in...."
Governance of Alaska. The answer was axiomatic.
Dust Bunny Queen said..."...what I said was until AL posted a link I would "assume" he was lying."
Oh, then can I assume you're an asshole until you prove otherwise?
Oh, then can I assume you're an asshole until you prove otherwise?
Absolutely :-D
Because obviously Letterman was making a joke about Bristol Palin, the girl who famously got “knocked up” last year, and not about 14-year-old Willow, who did not.
It's not obvious at all. In fact, the joke only makes sense if it's about the 14-year old - Oh, another one of Palin's daughter's got knocked up!
"It's not obvious at all. In fact, the joke only makes sense if it's about the 14-year old - Oh, another one of Palin's daughter's got knocked up!"
Exactly. Rudeness, etc, aside... *another* daughter getting pregnant is "funnier" as a dig at Palin.
And add to that the non-trivial fact that there *was* a daughter at the game and it was *not* Bristol... and it is not obvious at all. Not even a little bit.
Perhaps Letterman's writers made an honest mistake and did, in fact, intend Bristol (as if that's quite all right then!) but to try to claim that there is anything *obvious* about which daughter was intended... it seems far more "obvious" to me that it was the one at the game... like the joke *said*.
Blogger Dust Bunny Queen said...Absolutely.
First time you've ever told the truth.
Asshole.
"In fact, the joke only makes sense if it's about the 14-year old."
That actually makes no sense at all. The only kid we know for sure is fucking and sucking is Bristol, not Willow.
Unless YOU know something we don't know.
Every time Jeremy puts fingers to keyboard we have yet more proof that there is nothing "liberal" about liberals, nothing compassionate, nothing egalitarian.
Nothing classy.
Michael savage was also fired for an anti-gay comment. So by my count, that's 3 righties fired recently to zero lefties for gorilla speech. Jeremy steps in it again, and as always immediately sidesteps.
I think Letterman's was the worst, because it was not spontaneous. It was thought out, written down, reviewed, accepted, practiced and delivered, and to a larger audience.
So you just dismiss Hillary and Michelle's personal accomplishments before their husbands were elected to office?
.
What exactly were those 'accomplishments'? Graduating from law school? Congratulations for doing something a million people do every year.
Oh, then can I assume you're an asshole until you prove otherwise?
.
Well the good part about you Jeremey is that we don't have to assume you're an asshole. You demonstrate that plainly every day.
Jeremy:Oh, then can I assume you're an asshole until you prove otherwise?
DBQ: "Absolutely :-D"
Jeremy:First time you've ever told the truth.
Asshole.
Oh Jeremy Jeremy, you completely misunderstood. You asked for my permission to assume that I'm an asshole and I gave you that permission. Go ahead.....assume away. There was no concession or admission.
You really must learn to be more precise in your questions.
:-P
WOW!!!!!!!!!
Tuesday afternoon's "Fire David Letterman" rally proved to be a failure, as it drew more press than activists, CNN reports:
A crowd of 15 protesters upset with the late night comic held signs and occasionally shouted as they stood across the street from Letterman's studio.
Among the conservative talking points thrown around at the rally included, "Close the borders!" and "I only watch Fox News," as well as the general sentiment that Jay Leno is a better host than Letterman.
WOW!!!!
Hoosier...when's that corn comin' in, Dude?
Shouldn't you be out in the field...or does the trailer have AC?
bagoh20 said..."Michael savage was also fired for an anti-gay comment. So by my count, that's 3 righties fired recently to zero lefties for gorilla speech."
Savage has been fired time and again.
The stations/networks fired the people you mention, and they all deserved exactly what they got.
Hoosier Daddy said..."What exactly were those 'accomplishments'? Graduating from law school?"
Once again, you do your best to demonstrate your lack of intellect.
Hillary graduated from Yale, and was voted one of the top 100 attorneys in America...twice.
Obama graduated from Harvard and went on to work for a top law firm, etc.
YOU on the other hand, are a fucking loser living in right wing loser-land.
And by the way, you have some corn stuck in your teeth.
Brush often?
Defenseman Emeritus said..."AL, can you define for us 'GOP operative?'"
I can.
Karl Rove, as an example, has worked as one for decades.
How can YOU not know this?
Duh.
Republican base holds harefest against Letterman.
Filthy liars saying he is a pedophile and made that joke against the 13-year-old. These people nuts.
It was PALIN who dragged the younger daughter into this.
Conservatives went off the deep end and are marching in the foodstep of Chairman Mao's zealous brainwashed supporters.
It's just possible to reason with conservatives anymore. that's my conclusion after spending too much time here.
Synova, you seem completely blind to the nastiness that flows daily from conservative circles.
You can't see the personal attacks that conservatives habitually employ over thoughtful discourse.
You ignore the intentional willful ignorance and the Maoist dedication to rejecting facts that inconvenience a hard line ideology.
We all get carried away sometimes, especially when facing such hostile ignorance.
"I only watch Fox News,"
Idiot conservative at anti-Letterman rally.
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