7:46 Central Time: I can't believe this is the last of the '08 live-blogging, but it is. Settle in. Let's savor these precious moments together.
8:03: McCain begins with a tribute to Nancy Reagan's pelvis. Second: Americans are angry, angry I tell you.
8:05: The first question, on the financial crisis, gives them both a chance to give a speech that they could have prepared in advance. With a chance at a follow-up, McCain plugs in prepared material about Joe the plumber who is worried about taxes. He should have listened to Obama's answer and responded very precisely to that. Generally, Obama seems much more fluid and complex, and McCain is wooden and overprepared, unwilling to react on the spot. When he's not speaking, McCain sits with his hands folded on the table. Obama speaks again, then McCain hits him with the "spread the wealth around" comment that Obama made to Joe the plumber. He's coming alive a bit now [McCain]. But I don't know how many more times he can say "Joe the plumber." If we'd put "Joe the plumber" on the drinking game list, we'd be sprawling under the table already.
8:17: McCain is going to wield a hatchet and then a scalpel. He's after the pork. Especially that demonic overhead projector. Did you have "overhead projector" on your drinking list? Now, Obama is talking about "earmarks," an unfortunate term that make us notice how huge his ears look tonight.
8:22: McCain asks Obama to say when he's ever stood up to his party. And Obama has (what sounds like) some good examples: tort reform, charter schools....
8:31: McCain challenges Obama about John Lewis's charge that the McCain campaign has been racist. Obama ignores it for a while, then finally gets around to it. But what did he say? He didn't repudiate Lewis, which is what McCain demanded. McCain comes back at him, with a bit of a tirade about what fine Americans there are in the McCain/Palin crowds. On the split screen, Obama has that look that I saw him aim at Hillary Clinton months ago. I think McCain is getting to him. He got Obama to tip his head up and look down his nose at McCain. Now, McCain needles him about Ayers and ACORN. McCain is on the attack, and Obama is stuck in the defensive role.
8:43: Palin is a freath of bresh air.
8:47: Nuclear pants... uh... nuclear plants.
8:51: McCain mugs when it's not his turn. He lit up when Obama said he believes in free trade. He's all over Obama about free trade. Obama doesn't understand free trade... and he's never been south of the border. Obama comes back, seemingly unriled. But I'm distracted by the McCain side of the screen. McCain sparkles with the knowledge of his superiority on free trade... or so it seems.
8:56: My son Jac is live-blogging too, and he just wrote: "McCain is back to the 'he doesn't understand' line against Obama, this time about Colombia trade policy. Obama: 'Actually, I understand it pretty well ...' Oh, but how can that be? He's never traveled south of the border!" McCain is trying to get under Obama's skin, but Obama is standing his ground. He understands what McCain is up to.
8:59: McCain thinks you're fat.
8:59: Joe the plumber is back.
9:06: Something about health care. Who won? I don't know.
9:07: The Supreme Court. McCain notes his record of voting for judicial nominees based on their qualifications. This is a good point, because Obama has voted against highly qualified Supreme Court nominees, while McCain voted for Justice Ginsburg. They're both against "litmus tests" (of course).
9:13: McCain presses Obama on the Born Alive Infant Protection Act and partial birth abotion, very sensitive subjects. Obama wants to communicate to young people that sex is sacred and we don't want any "cavalier" activity.
9:19: Education. Gah. Am I paying attention? Are you paying attention? Education is important!
8:28: The closing statements at last. McCain sounds over-rehearsed and he stumbles over many things. He says "abased" for "based." I think he knows he hasn't done enough tonight. He hasn't rattled Obama, not enough anyway. Obama is doing his final statement now. It's not particularly interesting, but it's filling the space, and we're probably not listening, because we know, he's survived the final ordeal. He will be our President, I think, and I think they both know that. They shake hands, and we hear McCain vigorously congratulating the younger man -- our future President, in all likelihood -- "Good job! Good job!"
9:34: No more debates! Can it be? We've reached the end. Thanks to both men, John McCain and Barack Obama, for fighting so long and so hard and for stepping up to the awesome task of governing this great, unwieldy, beloved country of ours.
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787 पैकी 1 – 200 नवीन› नवीनतम»What you not gonna blog American Idol this season?
I think you really should rethink that.
Savor this: Brunner was concealing 200,000 fraudulent registrations in Ohio:
http://blog.cleveland.com/metro/2008/10/jennifer_brunner_says_courts_d.html
...and they all might have voted, since the Democrats in charge of this state changed the law to allow early voting immediately after registration, before the registration could be validated.
200,000. Even if half of these are just honest mistakes, that's more than enough to swing the state.
And I, for one, welcome our new Stalinist overlords.
Drinking game!
Throw a carafe of Midori in your face when McCain uses his opening remarks to wish NANCY Reagan a speedy recovery, my friends.
Oh, I am liveblogging too, here.
How exactly does a professor of law vote for a man that paid $800,000 to ACORN, so that they could pay tens of thousands of people a few dollars to go in and vote for Obama over and over?
Or do the ends justify the means?
prediction: the debate will suck, and no minds will be changed.
You forget Pastafarian, it's not about issues it's about feelings! You know, it's performance art to vote for someone dreamy like Obama. And as Obama's friend William Ayers would say, if it feels good, do it!
I think, Pasta, there is no line.
There is nothing Obama can do, no one he can be associated with, nothing he has said, that can't be sufficiently addressed with a tu quoque and some spurious moral equivalence.
You're not going to do any live blogging on election night?
What is everyone planning on doing on election night, by the way?
Ladies and gentlemen, welcome to the third and last US Presidential debate. Both candidates will share a seat next to CBS' Bob Schieffer, as their shoulders practically touch around that table.
Will we see a feistier John McCain, or a defensive Barack Obama?
Will Schieffer give an amused, wry smile like he did during Palin's RNC speech (he was laughing that the crowd were chanting NBC! NBC! as the main media culprits)?
I watched the American Experience's 3-hour Richard Nixon special at my hotel this Monday.
I noticed how JFK draped one leg over the other, with that effortless elegance he had. Nixon looked like a spent force, pale and haggard -- even if he did so much better in answering the questions. He handily won that first, iconic debate.
No one knows what will happen on 4th November.
We can just hope that Americans choose the right man, because 2008 is a galaxy away from 1960.
ON WITH THE SHOW!
Cheers,
Victoria
"What is everyone planning on doing on election night, by the way?"
It involves a lot of Seconal, a lot of Klonopin and a lot of Laphroaig Quarter Cask.
I'm grateful for the seated format - even if they're really boring, there's something about their being close enough to smell the fear that's at least a little exciting.
Get your priorities in order... the Project Runway finale is coming on!
Simon: I'm going to vote, come home and mix a dirty martini...and maybe watch a John Wayne marathon.
And not watch the returns.
OMG, Bob looks old. Well preserved. Probably pickled. But very old.
"We can just hope that Americans choose the right man..."
Given the two candidates currently running for the Presidency, that's not possible.
Precious moments, indeed. These live-bloggings warm my heart with patriotism.
It's on!!
Hey, Trooper, Pasta, Palladian, Jen, Rick, Blake, VVV, and Simon! :)
I hope Dody Jane, Ruth Anne and others will be here soon. I miss you guys!
Hey Darcy, ZPS, Knoxy, and Peter Hoh too. :)
Nancy Reagan in the hospital with a broken hip. Senator McCain is like the town crier -- first Kennedy now Nancy.
McCain looks younger -- maybe it's all relative with Bob there.
McCain talking about "fixes". He is starting off very weakly. Talking slowly.
Hey, Victoria. Glad you're here. :)
Peter, heh. Also notice that Obama has a bit more grey recently.
Darce! Great to be here with you. Nice Red Wings avatar. ;)
McCain at least isn't coming across as downright weird as the last one. Except for saying "angry" three times in the first 30 seconds.
McCain giving Obama ample eye contact, as Obama starts his opening statements.
He started well, after stumbling over Hofstra's name. I think he'll start stuttering again tonight.
oh dear - he said "decline in home ownership" - no!!! He didn't explain it well at all. He also didn't differentiate himself from Obama, which was a gimme in the question.
McCain at least isn't coming across as downright weird as the last one.
He's not wandering around like a drunken sailor on Suckeysuckey leave.
Palladian, Blake, other commenters -- I want to apologize if, at some point, my comments begin to consist entirely of profanity and random characters as I pound the keyboard.
These reports out of Ohio have me very near the point of insanity. I don't know if I've ever felt so much rage, at something essentially impersonal and not really directly related to me.
There are also stories of people that the Democrats have shipped into the state, from non-swing states, who are not only bribing people to register and vote here, but are registering here themselves, even though it's not their state of residence. I actually know one Democratic volunteer who's housing two of these carpetbaggers in her house.
McCain's wearing lipstick.
I actually know one Democratic volunteer who's housing two of these carpetbaggers in her house.
Pastafarian, that's incredible. :(
OMG!! McCAIN is mentioning America's newest icon -- Joe the Plumber.
From your home state!
Here's the plumber.
McCain speaking directly to Joe. I wonder if Palin gave him that tip...look at the heart of America, and talk to them.
On election night, I plan to spend some quality time with my wife.
Thanks, Victoria. I'm *am* a Wing nut, ya know. ;-)
Go Joe the Plumber! Ha!
He's been watching ads of Senator McCain's.
Really? Maybe he just paid attention to what you told him to his face, Obama.
David, "quality time" is now an euphemism for making whoopee. Just so that you know. ;)
Barack always has his list of "points." It's a great debating tactic.
Oh goodie, McCain's bringing up that plumber. (who was kind of hot, incidentally.)
Now Obama brings up evil corporations. Surely this deserves a hearty swig, if anything does.
"Senator McCain is like the town crier -- first Kennedy now Nancy."
LOL! The subtext problem with this approach of McCain's is that he sounds like the "ultimate Washington/establishment insiders".
the nurse, the firefighter, the teacher... the make-believe people who are voting multiple times for me even as we speak...
YES!! McCain not backing down about the "spread the wealth". Joe the Plumber will spread the wealth around!
G-ddamn, I trust him more than Paulson and Pelosi.
Wow, Schieffer leaving them to go at it. We are actually having a debate. Hurrah. Just took 3 debates including the VP one...
OK, everyone needs to stop saying "Joe the Plumber". They both sound goofy.
We are all Joe the Plumber now.
Election night: I'll go out to eat, watch a couple DVDs at home--maybe Yankee Doodle Dandy and The Outlaw Josey Wales, and go to bed. I'll find out who won the next day.
"All of your Joe the Plumber are belong to us."
I'm at O'Hare airport. A lot of loud cheering down the hall.
The debate?
Baseball?
A plane finally taking off?
LOL! The subtext problem with this approach of McCain's is that he sounds like the "ultimate Washington/establishment insiders".
Possibly! But considering that Obama will say "You're doing a heck of a job, Bob" at some point, it's slightly less obsequious. ;)
Aww, they stopped the Joe the Plumber chat. On with Rosie the Quicker-Pickerupper?
Obama: "98% of all small businesses make less than $250,000"
Umm, bullshit on that one. Only if you define "small business" as one that makes $300,000 or less.
we just spent 700 Billion. Of course we need to lower taxes.
Twitter #current has been taken over by Pro-Obama forces... not a difficult thing to do.. This commentary is much better. I'm not watching the tube.. can't stand it.. just monitoring you all.
Freeman Hunt, so you're doing what JFK did on election day? ;)
Good questions, so far...
Obama wanted to reduce Joe the plumber's taxes before he raised them?
Wishing that McCain had said, "whaddya mean 95%? How so, when ~40% don't pay taxes now? Is that more of the 'spreading the wealth around' you were telling Joe the Plumber about?"
A lost opportunity for comedy gold, and a golden dagger.
Batman vs. The Penguin: The Debate
Go Lil' Mac!....I mean Penguin!
If you see deleted comments from me it's because I'm trying to somewhat limit my profanity this time.
Derf, that's a shame. I'm still not on Twitter, but when I saw that Rick Sanchez of CNN is on there all the time (having transformed himself from a right-to-left winger since his Miami anchor days), I knew it is not a good environment for us Rethugs.
I wish McCain had mentioned that raising taxes on business drives up costs for consumers. It's just not a bucket of money that can be drained
Obama "I don't mind paying more."
Why don't you DONATE IT!
You hardly give any of you millions away, but you want to take what little I have, because YOU know BETTER how to spend it!
AND you want to give MY MONEY via TAX CREDITS to people who DON't PAY TAXES.
BAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHH!!!!!!!
I don't like the crooked thumb.....
Obama wanted to reduce Joe the plumber's taxes before he raised them?
Michael, basically, as you move up the American dream ladder, yes he does. He said so as much to him, to his face.
That when he was earning 70k-80k, he saved when taxes were low, but now he can afford to pay more taxes so that others can have more of HIS saved money.
Thinking about the old M*A*S*H television show:
Was Klinger ever bitter?
What am I going to do election night?
Obviously I'll be drinking heavily, I might sit in the den and clean my guns and saddles, considering that The One will take away the first, and after We all are unable to hunt game after the great collapse of '09 I won't be able to hunt so I'll end up eating my beloved Princessa to avoid starving.
"First they came for the dogs, and I didn't speak up because I wasn't a dog. Then they came for the cats, and I was silent because they were good with mustard. then they came for me: I decided to beat them to the punch and have myself for lunch, with a choice of wine known by the bottle left behind.
al -- they're not going to take water from your side of the bucket, just the other guy's side.
Hola, Victoria.
Hi, everyone.
I almost completely forgot this was on tonight. I stumbled upon it after watching a Secrets of the Dead about the old GDR doping scheme.
More big cheers. Maybe Bob Schieffer did walk off and leave the gladiators the stage.
vbspurs--I wasn't born yesterday--in fact it was many, many yesterdays.
How many Joe the Plumbers' know what 'profligate' means?
I don't like the crooked thumb.....
Pastafarian - yea - its not like water ever seeks it's own level...
Schieffer, good just now. Pinning McCain to specifics.
This is very good for McCain because he can point to ACTUAL Bills he was instrumental in.
Obama has got NOTHING.
THE HATCHET! THAT'S WHAT I WANT TO HEAR!!
oh good, McCain's on ethanol. I can feel his support in Ohio draining. Leave it alone.
Yes! No subsidies for ethanol says McCain. I hate that ethanol gas. The mileage is horrible.
Most small business are now Subchapter S or LLC's that flow through to the personal returns of the owners as they are generally closely held corporations. Thus the increase in the personal income taxes that Obama will stick us with will destroy many businesses.
Not that he gives a shit.
Earmarks again. Boring.
McCain becoming impassioned about runaway spending.
Obama has yet to begin sputtering and stuttering uncontrollably.
Give it time, although the moderator (borrowed from the local wax museum, no doubt - and I'm listening on radio without the benefit of television images) undoubtedly won't press the One as hard as he's gonna interrupt and try to put the hurt on McCain.
Hola chico! Hey to all who have joined already in progress, like Carmela, Al, and Kt. ;)
Excellent point Al! That is what I said to the Maroons in NYC who wanted to put tolls on drivers into midtown (in addition to the tolls they pay to get onto the island). I said it won't just be the drivers. Everything that services the city (which are usually based outside the city because of rental costs) including food (since we don't grow our own food in NYC) will COST MORE.
That's why it was ultimately defeated. Small business in New York said NO!
McCain looks good. I mean, physically. It's not just his rosy lips. He just looks fresh. What happened?
Please Obama, please, oh please let everyone know what programs you think are underfunded.
Where the Hell was this John McCain in the last two debates?
(...or in advertising, or on the campaign trail...)
OUCH! I'm not President Bush, you should've run 4 years ago.
I like McCain's tone -- he's not taking any crap tonight.
McCain don't back down. Don't let Obama obfuscate on this spending stuff. This is the heart of it all.
"Senator Obama, I am not President Bush. If you wanted to run against President Bush, you should have run 4 years ago"
Nicely done.
Where the Hell was this John McCain in the last two debates?
I. Know. Right.
This is the guy we saw a bit in the Saddleback forum, and at the Repub debates. Feisty, on point, and quick on the uptake.
Woohoo John. "If you want to run against Bush you should have run in 2004."
Yeah I hate runway spending. These goddam designers are killing me with the increases in the prices of the new selections. Thank God we are designing more of our own pieces.
awesome comeback - you want to run against Bush, shoulda done it 4 years ago.
Did not have a surplus. Had a projected surplus that did not take into account a terror attack.
I like McCain's tone -- he's not taking any crap tonight.
Without seething with distaste and looking as if Obama is a turd stuck on his sole.
It's a good balance.
Same old boring crap.
Which means: Obama is a lock in November.
Who the *&^$% coached McCain this time???
Bravo.
I thought Biden said NO COAL?
McCain's on ethanol? Well, Obama's on menthol, so there it is.
The way these two characters go on, I figured they were on something.
lol --- that tort reform won like 98-0.
I'm pretty sure Acorn is underfunded.
I love this McCain.
Obama goes to Fox News. He's desperate. YAY!
LOL, Victoria. I'll bet that's exactly what McCain is thinking.
CHeck out Obama looking left whenever he seems to be "thinking." Looks more like "listening" to me.
Who the *&^$% coached McCain this time???
Sarah Palin...?
I think McCain has been listening to the Saracuda.
"Joe the plumber"
RACIST!! We all know all the Joe the Plumbers out there don't cotton to blacks, gays, Jews, Muslims, foreigners or Jezebel feminists.
McCain is pandering to the racist hate mob out there.
He should be ashamed of himself.
John should say that "you know how different I was from Bush? Enough so that the press corps and media loved me."
Is this the new new McCain
Me to husband: I like him.
Husband: Who?
Me: Senator McCain.
Husband: But you hated him this morning!
Well, this isn't the same guy I hated this morning. This guy knows what he's talking about, and he seems to be scoring as far as I'm concerned.
I find it galling when Obama gives McCain a little "credit". How can he not be embarrassed?
Obama smirks too much.
This is better than I thought.
Mother just texted that McCain looks great.
If this was a strategy, it's working. McCain's up Obama's tuchus sideways right now (at least on the audio side of what they're saying) and Barry's barely holding the "uh, umm's" at bay.
On the other hand, Obama's sounding overconfident and a bit arrogant. It's not playing well.
McCain might like to give Obama an earmark, kind of like Mike Tyson did to Hoylfield.
"say to each other's face..."
Hello, Mr. Obama, may I take your order, please?
Both Obama and McCain are against torture. Don't you think it's time the right-wingers of Althouse's comment sections stood up against torture?
What is this inane high road question? Who cares? Let's talk meat, let's talk positions and policy, not who will best play nicey-nice with the other.
Husband: But you hated him this morning!
Well, this isn't the same guy I hated this morning. This guy knows what he's talking about, and he seems to be scoring as far as I'm concerned.
We'll take it as we can get 'em, Snig! :)
Wow. McCain is talking about the Town Halls. This is great.
McCain looks old, purple, and sick. His eyes are watery and red and he is blinking rapidly.
JOHN LEWIS!!!
Obama can't believe it. He's shaking his head -- "this is not the guy I rolled over last time."
"And yet it has turned very nasty"
Oh get over it.
My wife wants to slap the smirk off Obama's face.
Madison was #4 on the list of "Best Places to ride out the Recession."
Congratulations!
Ooo, nevermind. I do like the grilling McCain is delivering in response to this high road question.
McCain played "i'm a decent man card."
Obama will now stutter.
"It absolutely is true."
Liar. Not that that's anything new.
Waiting for the Wallace-comment repudiation...
I loved the "I'm not George Bush and if you wanted to run against him you should have run 4 years ago." line.
Purple?
Perhaps you need to adjust your set?
He is blinking rapidly though. Probably the dexies, I suppose he had a cap left over from his pilot days, they used to issue them when the pilots were doing 3 or more sorties a day.
He sure is shoving a boot up Lowbama's BH tho...
Wow, Obama has one talking point -- 4 more years of Bush = McCain.
This isn't going to go over well for a whole 90 mins.
Has anyone seen any 527 ads this year? I haven't....but then again unlike 2004, I have Tivo.
Its not about our hurt feelings. Good line.
Snore. I was hoping for a little more blood.
How did a question about campaign tactics turn into the economy?
Nice way to not answer the question Barack.
"Stop talking about all my weaknesses and let's talk about healthcare and the economy instead. Please?"
McCain's in the loop.
yeah, he didn't apologize for Lewis' comment.
McCain watches the Cardinals. Betcha Joe the Plumber likes the NFL.
John, don't overdue the Joe point.
"Now look,"
and
"going forward"
are two phrases that are really getting on my nerves.
"four more years of failed Bush's economic policy"
SCORE !
It's been what, ten minutes? What took so long? You're slipping, BHO.
Obama is not talking smoothly enough.
Has anyone seen any 527 ads this year? I haven't....but then again unlike 2004, I have Tivo.
Some. McCain's ads are trailing about 10 to 1 right now on television, if not more. This has GOT to change.
Joe the plumber! 8:30 p.m.!
UNPROMPTED.
Maybe PALIN didn't hear that. Perhaps it didn't happen because Milbank says it did.
Heh, Joe is really getting a workout tonight ain't he. I wonder if he can claim a royalty on his name, and bill both candidates for its use?
HAH! Obama is talking about nothing at all. He is off his game.
Did McCain just loosen his belt?
I bet you'd like us to only talk about the economy for the next 3 weeks!
"The American people have become so cynical..."
Obama is filibustering.
McCain taking it to Obama about the supporters in the rallies.
WOO! The "C" t-shirt allusion! Obama tried to interrupt him, but McCain is controlling it.
Right now, most people not in the know don't understand what's going on.
Obama: OK, now let's change the subject. Moving forward. Next.
How are the Phils doing?
Did McCain just loosen his belt?
Like a dad about to go postal on his son. *g*
Barack sure knows how to bullshit and condescend.
JESUS, stop saying that you don't care about that old washed up terrorist.
At least Ayers is about to be touched on...
Maybe they agreed to a sitting debate so McCain could take his Viagra tonight....he's certainly up for this one!
"I don't care about a washed-up terrorist..."
Vic, he's doing it right. Obama tried to say that he didn't have anything to do with those t-shirts, yet he'll blame McCain for ONE person yelling something and that one person was probably a plant.
Acorn!
And the smirk.
Excellent. This is not nasty. It is the truth, and I'm proud of John McCain right now, win or lose.
Obama mentions Ayers by name first.
ACORN. Obama chuckled when McCain brought it up. Asshat.
Woo-hoo! Ayers and ACORN.
McCain went to those Sarah is a **** t-shirts!
He's on fire.
Obama's reminding me of that "Devil's Advocate" movie right about now; that special effect where the guy's under the other guy's skin.
Obama's getting bounced off the ropes right about now, and he's in a rather scattered defensive posture.
Obama's smiling isn't good this time. Especially about ACORN. He's rattled, though.
Vic, he's doing it right. Obama tried to say that he didn't have anything to do with those t-shirts, yet he'll blame McCain for ONE person yelling something and that one person was probably a plant.
Exactly.
Now Obama is trying to say that the CAC is all Republican. Nice obfuscation.
I disagree. I think the C-word T shirts thing has spread far and wide. My partner's sister at work knew about it today and she has no interest in the politics game. She was pissed too. What is it about that little word that makes women so mad? I have been called things (that I consider to be) much worse. perhaps some of the ladies in the blogging audience could enlighten?
3-0 Phils. Top of the 4th.
Obama is totally rattled.
Bob Schieffer is doing quite well.
McCain is finally showing some fire. Obama looks a bit to smirky and now defensive.
Now he's not sure what ACORN does and is very defensive sounding.
Oh yes. Obama sets up a ball for McCain to spike on Ayers and ACORN. Let's see if McCain takes the opportunity...
Yes, Obama's on the ropes mostly, but he's not getting KO'd.
I'm running behind. We keep pausing it because we can't believe what we're seeing.
But HOLY SHIT I CAN'T BELIEVE HE BROUGHT UP ACORN.
Scheiffer seems to be giving Obama more time. When McCain talks, he lets Obama interrupt.
No mention by Obama that he started his career at Ayers house. No mention that Obama gave 800K to Acorn.
perhaps some of the ladies in the blogging audience could enlighten?
I'm a bad one to talk, since I consider the B-word horrifying. I have never referred to another woman as such.
The c-word has a level of aggression that is hard to describe. It's like a verbal punch to the gut.
I really hate to say it, but McCain is not doing so well right now.
"When I was eight years old." Dumbest defense ever.
Obama's big weapon is that big smile. The nice one -- not the smirk. McCain can't match it.
AAAAAAnd (that's how he stops saying um).
AAAAaaaaand.
Oh! And he takes it. This McCain rules.
Obama's pissed. He had hoped to rile up McCain but it seems to be working the other way. McCain is all over him.
Obama's doing the goofy looking ''no, see, I'm not really angry" look. Is he trying to imitate someone? Does he make this face at Michelle during a fight? That's exactly what it looks like.
But HOLY SHIT I CAN'T BELIEVE HE BROUGHT UP ACORN.
I know. ;)
Now the VPs are being brought up!
Hey I don't mind being called the
c-word.
After all, you are what you eat.
McCain should have said, "in 2007, Obama told ACORN they'd shape his wh agenda."
Bomb
Barack looks like he's lying.
I really hate to say it, but McCain is not doing so well right now.
How so, LL? He's doing very well, indeed!
al said...
No mention by Obama that he started his career at Ayers house. No mention that Obama gave 800K to Acorn.
Obama directly denied that this happened just now
Obama is a liar. He is the kind of liar that grows out of a dysfuntional family. He doesn't know he lies. It is an intergal part of his character. He lies to shape the world around him. He believes his lies. It is so very obvious in this exchange.
vbspurs;
Worse that having your girl call you a p*ssy and a festering c*cksore? I was particularly amazed at that last one.
Obama is so off his game, he looks ashen.
Vic,
can you believe it??
Let's hope he keeps it up.
Biden is culpable for that shit-eating legislation called the RAVE act. He can fuck off in eternal ignominy for that one.
All his other legislative and rhetorical failings only add fuel to the fire.
Oh, and on the c-word, I agree with Victoria. I think it's one of the worst, most hateful words there is.
Then again, I had a friend in law school - a female, at that - who used the word often. It didn't bother her at all because she said that where she came from, people used it all the time and it didn't have that hateful, almost violent connotation.
Obama looks greyer every debate
Obama is losing it. he's going on and on about how great ol' Joe is. Everyone knows Joe Biden and no one cares.
Now he's going to screw rich people and give money to the poor. Yawn. Oh yeah, he's concerned about energy, and oh yeah, schools. BOOOORRRRING!!!
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