From the Don Surber link: "Prosecutors can haul you before a federal grand jury, grill you for hours without your lawyer present and then prosecute you if they catch you in a lie." and "They imprisoned Anderson for 15 months as an indefinite punishment for contempt of court. His contempt? Not testifying against Bonds. Imprisoning a witness indefinitely smacks of a nation that we should not be."
They said Bush has been taking away our rights as American citizens, and they were right!
It seems outrageous that the law is involved. Baseball should have thrown him out on his ear, but why was there a grand jury convened to look into this? Don't the feds have better things to do?
My instincts are to feel sorry for him. Of all the athletes exposed as being juiced over the last 20 years, now they're singling out Bonds for the heavy-handed treatment? Why him? And it's about at that point that I remind myself of the fact that he was given immunity from prosecution for his testimony, and that all he had to do was tell the truth, and then when he got in front of the grand jury he lied his head off. It takes a lot of the sorrow out of my sails.
Every year four of us would drive down to Philly to go the Vet to see a game. Since we were Yankee fans, it was a novelty to see some of the National league teams (this was before interleauge play). We would get seats in the first row in the outfield and sweat our asses off as we ate cheese steaks and drank lots of beer. We made alliances with the Philly fans. We told them "Since we will never see you guys in the series we will be rooting for you today, let figure out the most creative way to mock and taunt the opposing team." One year the Phils were playing the Giants and we were right behind Bonds. Best jeer of the day:” Barry you suck. Your father was a lot better. That Willie McCovey was a hell of a player."
Zeb Quinn said... My instincts are to feel sorry for him. Of all the athletes exposed as being juiced over the last 20 years, now they're singling out Bonds for the heavy-handed treatment? Why him? And it's about at that point that I remind myself of the fact that he was given immunity from prosecution for his testimony, and that all he had to do was tell the truth, and then when he got in front of the grand jury he lied his head off. It takes a lot of the sorrow out of my sails.
Exactly! Dumb SOB full of ego and pride couldn't tell the truth.
But......this is another case where the dumb, unlikable black jock is being hammered for what his white owners and Jewish marketer-management-lawyer folks at the Major League Baseball offices at Park Ave in NYC all knew what was going on.
Baseball is conducted as a major money-making business by millionaires and elite lawyers and it encouraged steroid use to get the media ratings and fans through the gates for the new "Super-Improved Home Running Hitting Era".
It was blatantly obvious as the swelled-up players who had under 20 a year lifetime HR hitting records were now 40-50 a year HR hitters. Players that stayed clean were discouraged by Bud Selig's lawyer-enforcers from talking about it during the steroid-bloated Mark McGuire year he "smashed" Maris's record. Other "clean" players who were marginal and on their way out of MLB were told by coaches and owner's people that more millions could come if they stayed or in minor league player's cases - hit the Show through "weight training in the off-season to add another 20-30 pounds of muscle" to "better compete".
Instead of players going to grand juries and doing the "POW-style" confessions in front of kangaroo justice Congressional panels - I'd like to see Selig, his execs and lawyers, and a few Owners and GMs and team physicians dragged in front of some inquests:
And asked:
1. What made you realize there was steroid use and when did you realize it. 2. Who in team and MLB offices discouraged sportswriters and players from commenting on it. 3. Was there collusion with the Players Union to keep this silent? 4. What was you lawyers advice. 5. Please provide the business studies handed to owners that told them that more homers and bulked up athletes would gain them millions in new revenue. 6. List the relationship between MLB, the teams, and the "off-season" trainers implicated in steroids.
dax said... Why the Feds are involved is a mystery to me. Don't they have 'bigger fish to fry'?? This should be policed by MLB.
MLB execs, owners, GMs and lawyers are the prime culprits.....not the athletes. Players understood their employment prospects and renumeration would be enhanced through steroid use in the 90s and MLB owners & execs told everyone to look the other way as "better for business".
MLB: "I'm shocked, shocked to find out performancxe enhancing drugs are being used" Translation: Come to the ballpark and see lots of home runs and records being broke.
Player's Union: "No of our guys are doing anything wrong." Translation: Show us the money.
Barry Bonds: "What's lotion going to do to me?" Translation: Are people going to notice I've gained 45 pounds and increased my strength by 100%?
Cedar, Bonds has been indicted for perjury, not steroid usage, making your point moot. But thanks for pointing out of evil hand of those "jewish lawyers."
The sportswriters need to be criticized too. Most of them turned a blind eye to the whole situation. In fact, many denied Bonds used Steroids, and cried Racism. If you noticed Bonds was doing unheard of things, like gaining 20 lbs of muscle and increasing his hat size at age 38, you were just a racist cracker.
Cedar, it's amazing that even in the most innocent of topics you can find an anti-Jewish angle.
Cedar, it's amazing that even in the most innocent of topics you can find an anti-Jewish angle.
He's the Michael Jordan of blogospheric anti-Semitism. Just when you think there's no possible way to pull off an anti-gay slur, he rises to the challenge.
Perjury is the new Al Capone's tax evasion charge. Which is ironic, here, in that Bonds's real crime is tax evasion (sports memorabilia is largely a cash business). I don't know why the feds decided they couldn't get Martha Stewart for insider trading, or Bonds for tax evasion, but it looks like they did decide that. The charge is crap, but it's not like Bonds doesn't deserve a little cell time.
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From the Don Surber link:
"Prosecutors can haul you before a federal grand jury, grill you for hours without your lawyer present and then prosecute you if they catch you in a lie."
and
"They imprisoned Anderson for 15 months as an indefinite punishment for contempt of court.
His contempt?
Not testifying against Bonds.
Imprisoning a witness indefinitely smacks of a nation that we should not be."
They said Bush has been taking away our rights as American citizens, and they were right!
It seems outrageous that the law is involved. Baseball should have thrown him out on his ear, but why was there a grand jury convened to look into this? Don't the feds have better things to do?
My instincts are to feel sorry for him. Of all the athletes exposed as being juiced over the last 20 years, now they're singling out Bonds for the heavy-handed treatment? Why him? And it's about at that point that I remind myself of the fact that he was given immunity from prosecution for his testimony, and that all he had to do was tell the truth, and then when he got in front of the grand jury he lied his head off. It takes a lot of the sorrow out of my sails.
"What's lotion going to do to me?"
Get you indicted, and quite possibly end up putting you in jail.
I feel sorry for Bonds.
I feel sorry for Bonds
I would add the significant caveat if he's innocent to that. I personally do not think he is.
He remains Mr. Asterisk to me.
For those who never saw him play ball at a stadium, it was always fun to watch him come to bat.
He would waddle up, all puffy, the bat looking like a toothpick in his mitts.
Then everyone would boo for about three minutes.
And he would get walked. Or hit a home run.
Then he would waddle off the field.
A real exciting player.
Ho hum. Another day, another Professional Athlete apprehended.
Happens in Lincoln all the time.
Every year four of us would drive down to Philly to go the Vet to see a game. Since we were Yankee fans, it was a novelty to see some of the National league teams (this was before interleauge play). We would get seats in the first row in the outfield and sweat our asses off as we ate cheese steaks and drank lots of beer. We made alliances with the Philly fans. We told them "Since we will never see you guys in the series we will be rooting for you today, let figure out the most creative way to mock and taunt the opposing team." One year the Phils were playing the Giants and we were right behind Bonds. Best jeer of the day:” Barry you suck. Your father was a lot better. That Willie McCovey was a hell of a player."
Hairybuddha says Suber is getting smacked around pretty good in his comments.
What's that big deal. I thought everybody lied about steroids. Oh, sorry that was sex.
Maybe Bonds can talk to Bill Clinton on how to beat a perjury rap.
Why the Feds are involved is a mystery to me. Don't they have 'bigger fish to fry'??
This should be policed by MLB.
Zeb Quinn said...
My instincts are to feel sorry for him. Of all the athletes exposed as being juiced over the last 20 years, now they're singling out Bonds for the heavy-handed treatment? Why him? And it's about at that point that I remind myself of the fact that he was given immunity from prosecution for his testimony, and that all he had to do was tell the truth, and then when he got in front of the grand jury he lied his head off. It takes a lot of the sorrow out of my sails.
Exactly!
Dumb SOB full of ego and pride couldn't tell the truth.
But......this is another case where the dumb, unlikable black jock is being hammered for what his white owners and Jewish marketer-management-lawyer folks at the Major League Baseball offices at Park Ave in NYC all knew what was going on.
Baseball is conducted as a major money-making business by millionaires and elite lawyers and it encouraged steroid use to get the media ratings and fans through the gates for the new
"Super-Improved Home Running Hitting Era".
It was blatantly obvious as the swelled-up players who had under 20 a year lifetime HR hitting records were now 40-50 a year HR hitters. Players that stayed clean were discouraged by Bud Selig's lawyer-enforcers from talking about it during the steroid-bloated Mark McGuire year he "smashed" Maris's record.
Other "clean" players who were marginal and on their way out of MLB were told by coaches and owner's people that more millions could come if they stayed or in minor league player's cases - hit the Show through "weight training in the off-season to add another 20-30 pounds of muscle" to "better compete".
Instead of players going to grand juries and doing the "POW-style" confessions in front of kangaroo justice Congressional panels - I'd like to see Selig, his execs and lawyers, and a few Owners and GMs and team physicians dragged in front of some inquests:
And asked:
1. What made you realize there was steroid use and when did you realize it.
2. Who in team and MLB offices discouraged sportswriters and players from commenting on it.
3. Was there collusion with the Players Union to keep this silent?
4. What was you lawyers advice.
5. Please provide the business studies handed to owners that told them that more homers and bulked up athletes would gain them millions in new revenue.
6. List the relationship between MLB, the teams, and the "off-season" trainers implicated in steroids.
Oh wait. I didn't know there were Jews involved in this. That make this.....well, actually that makes no difference. Why was that pertinent?
dax said...
Why the Feds are involved is a mystery to me. Don't they have 'bigger fish to fry'??
This should be policed by MLB.
MLB execs, owners, GMs and lawyers are the prime culprits.....not the athletes. Players understood their employment prospects and renumeration would be enhanced through steroid use in the 90s and MLB owners & execs told everyone to look the other way as "better for business".
MLB: "I'm shocked, shocked to find out performancxe enhancing drugs are being used" Translation: Come to the ballpark and see lots of home runs and records being broke.
Player's Union: "No of our guys are doing anything wrong." Translation: Show us the money.
Barry Bonds: "What's lotion going to do to me?" Translation: Are people going to notice I've gained 45 pounds and increased my strength by 100%?
Mr Asterik is right.
Cedar, Bonds has been indicted for perjury, not steroid usage, making your point moot. But thanks for pointing out of evil hand of those "jewish lawyers."
The sportswriters need to be criticized too. Most of them turned a blind eye to the whole situation. In fact, many denied Bonds used Steroids, and cried Racism. If you noticed Bonds was doing unheard of things, like gaining 20 lbs of muscle and increasing his hat size at age 38, you were just a racist cracker.
Cedar, it's amazing that even in the most innocent of topics you can find an anti-Jewish angle.
Cedar, it's amazing that even in the most innocent of topics you can find an anti-Jewish angle.
He's the Michael Jordan of blogospheric anti-Semitism. Just when you think there's no possible way to pull off an anti-gay slur, he rises to the challenge.
Perjury is the new Al Capone's tax evasion charge. Which is ironic, here, in that Bonds's real crime is tax evasion (sports memorabilia is largely a cash business). I don't know why the feds decided they couldn't get Martha Stewart for insider trading, or Bonds for tax evasion, but it looks like they did decide that. The charge is crap, but it's not like Bonds doesn't deserve a little cell time.
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