Do you listen to the Mancow radio show? I'm going to be on it tomorrow, around 7 am ET, talking about — of all things — plastic surgery. Click on the tag "plastic surgery" to see what I've said on the subject (and why they want to hear from me).
Advice?
ADDED at 7:21 AM, Tuesday: Waiting on hold now.
DONE: Well, I was on for a little over a minute, much of which had Mancow naming celebrities I hadn't looked at recently. Kenny Rogers? What does he look like now? I have no idea. Michael Douglas? I've been avoiding looking at him for years. Nancy Pelosi? Her, I've looked at. It's disturbing to listen to political statements from someone who looks alarmed for no reason. That's about it. Worth doing? Sure, why not? I got to (had to) spend about 20 minutes on hold, listening to the show. During that time, there was a pretty interesting audio clip of a 911 call from a man watching a robbery in a neighbor's house, threatening to use his shotgun on the culprits, and then actually shooting them. Mancow seemed to think the shooting was justified.
MORE: Here are before and after pictures of Kenny Rogers. Not so bad, really. Especially good if he doesn't want to be recognized.
AND: Here's a news report on that 911 call.
November 19, 2007
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Gee, perhaps this isn't the most appropriate topic to be discussing 48 hours before Thanksgiving ???
Ya think?
I'm just guessing.....that nobody wants to hear about surgical procedures when they are knee-deep in Libby's Pumpkin Filling, Stove-Top, and and defrosting the bird in the kitchen sink.
Something tells me your planned topic is not uppermost on people's minds at this time.
Anne,
Well how come your profile doesn't mention the college you graduated from nor the law school you went to?
Please answer.
Thank you.
1. No, I don't listen to that show. Who does?
2. Advice? Be sure to explain how your views on plastic surgery advance your "scholarly" interests and pursuits.
HAHAHA
TMack: Could you try to be more of an idiot? You've only scored 2 points there. You should go for 4 or 5.
T Mack,
First there's no "e" on the end. Second, your profile page "doesn't mention the college you graduated from nor the law school you went to," mine doesn't either, and in fact, I think you'd be hard-pressed to find a CV on anyone's blogspot profile page. Why don't you look it up in Wikipedia, or on her faculty page? And third, you really don't get to make demands, a fortiori for information that's (a) irrelevant to the topic at hand and (b) that you could easily obtain for yourself.
"Who does?"
Check the stats.
Ann, one thing you could talk about - I mean, maybe it's not apt to how you want to address the topic, but I'd be interested - is how you disagree with Wolfe's critique of plastic surgery and its enabling culture in The Beauty Myth, which I seem to remember your being quite dismissive of?
Clarification: I don't mean how as in "how could you" -- you, a law professor, haha -- "disagree with Wolfe," I just meant, what are your points of departure.
I don't have my copy of the book here. What did she say that was interesting?
Maxine, steel yourself. I really couldn't care less about Thanksgiving. Not that I'm not thankful. I am. Believe me, I am.
Ask him whether he prefers Steve Doocy or Brian Kilmeade, and why he wouldn't say the 'c-word' on a show about profanity.
Simon, I read that book when it came out. What was it? Over 10 years ago? What I remember is an obviously beautiful woman going on about how beauty was overrated, but everyone was listening to her because she was beautiful. Beauty is important. It's just not all-important. As to what she said about plastic surgery, I have no idea.
You two will probably get along famously. You can talk about a shared interest about boobs in politics.
Perhaps you and he can trash liberals and feminists together.
Enjoy.
Good evening fellow republicans. Hope everyone had a great weekend.
I don't know who Mancow is.
I stayed in my apartment and didn't watch any tele (except the Pats on Sunday night) or internet and read a couple of books. It's good to have those days every once and awhile. I read the biography of Willie Morris who was the editor of Equire in the 50's and 60's which sounded like a pretty exciting time and magazine. Of course he died in Mississippi a drunk. I also read Opium The Diary of His Cure by Jean Cocteau and Berlin Stories by Christopher Isherwood. How fabulous is all that?
Also, I took long walks with the rare clumbers while wearing my cute little fall outfits.
Also, caught up on my magazine reading. A fascinating article in the latest New York Magazine on Brook Astor and the current mess about her will. The son is against the grandson and some fashion designers wife is involved. Quite a bit of drama. Brook did love her son but he was boring she said. She had hoped he would be creative or interesting or gay-how many mothers would say that? Brook, I would of done anything to be your child. Instead, I was in Ladysmith Wisconsin dressed in orange head to toe holding a gun and sitting in a tree when it was ten degrees out, waiting for Bambi to come by. I absolutely hated it. Then I would get out of the tree after 5 hours and snowmobile on a ski doo to these awful bars. What a fabulous life that lady had. Friends with some designer (which old hag lives in the Dominican Republican); dinners with Kissingers and Clintons etc.
OK, two requests fellow republicans and lovers of the Bush Doctrine. One, I am going home for Christmas in Scony and want to know of some good restaurants. I always loved Paisans (yea it aint fabulous but I love the Porta Salad and the Pizza) so we will definitely go to the new Paisans. Also, I have to get my Plaza Burger at the Plaza and Fish Fry at The Avenue Bar but does anyone have any other suggestions. I am thinking of something not too fabulous but good. My parents have to be able to pronounce things on the menu.
Also, Please fellow republicans, what labtop should I buy? I am looking to spend 1000-2000. I am thinking of the dell 1721/51 Inspiron. I will not be using it at a "cafe" as I think that looks pretentious (no offense queen) or anywhere outside my apartment so I want a 17 inch.....screeen. Suggestions, would be appreciated.
And always remember fierceness is always welcome.
Lastly, no sex this past weekend which was fine with me and I had my annual checkup today. All of labs were good but I gained 4 pounds in 1 year. I am 5"10 and 158 now, last year I was 154. So I was a little depressed.
titus -- Lombardino's is great, but closed Mondays. Tex Tubb's Taco Palace is good too, either on the west side (lots of kids) or the east side (lots of Lesbians). The Old Fashioned is good, and right on the Square -- can't beat the Capitol View. I also like the Tornado Room where Crandalls used to be just off the Square. And if you're here for breakfast, Marigold Kitchen on S. Pinckney.
I thought about the 4 pound weight gain and the most important part of the weight gain which is.... has it effected my sex life. And researching back 1 year ago to today I have done much better today so maybe it isn't a big deal.
Some of my conquests have been hotter, more hung, better bodies and sadly smarter than 1 year ago. So I am thinking of embracing the 4 pound weight gain because I am still getting some. If there was a 4 pound weight gain and I experienced a drop off in the quality of my tricks I would stop eating completely.
Oh and my primary care doc, who is straight, told me I would be a catch for any man. Isn't that nice.
"Tornado Room where Crandalls". Thanks Madison Man. I will try it there. When I was young I used to go to that Crandalls (voted best fish fry in Madison) and then to that awful gay bar next door. Oh my that was a nasty bunch. I would go in that place and actually get depressed about being gay.
Now, I am here and I am queer and I am proud and I am on a float and I am...NOT. I have never been to a gay pride event in my life. No parade, no float, no activism for me. Not that I judge those that do, just not my thing. If it wasn't for some of those activists (stonewall queens) I wouldn't be where I am today. Successful in business, fierce, fabulous, thin and gorgeous.
As a friend of mine says, I am not a self loathing gay I just don't like other gays.
Except Palladian. I like Palladian. And Palladian if you are reading this you were amazing last weekend. I can still smell your scent of my sheets.
Lastly, the rare clumbers are in a deep sleep. They went to doggy daycare all day. Their report cards were of course exceptional.
Three negatives about rare clumbers are that they drool, fart and snore. I actually like the snoring. Farting and drooling not so much. At night I can have one on each side of me right by my face snoring. I love that sound. Also, they are the perfect size to spoon.
I think the Tornado Room is grim. If you want steak, go to Johnny Delmonico's.
Try Fresco. Go after 8 pm.
Oh I am traveling like crazy after this weekend. Next week Phoenix (Scottsdale); The following week Chicago and Minneapolis and the week after that San Diego, San Frnacisco and Seattle and the following week Boston and DC. As I have mentioned my company is going through a 60 person sales expansion because a new product is being rolled out and I am going to be interviewing with the SVP of Sales; SVP of Marketing and SVP of Business Development. Very strategic and very important. I am going to have to be in tip top shape. Of course they are all men so I will try to not act so gay. Wish me luck.
The go live date of the product is March 1 so we need the sales organization in place by January 1. At home study for one month. Training in house for 2 weeks and in the field with field sales trainers for 2 weeks and then on their own.
We passed the FDA in flying colors.
Also, our pipeline is major. We are anticipating 3 new products rolled out over the next year.
As I said very strategic, very imporant, very high level, working with senior level key opinion leaders and making enormous decisions that will have major impact on the organization for years to come. Yes, fellow republicans, that is me.
Bases will start in the mid 150's bonus 50-70k with stock options, company car and expense account as well as top benefits. Forbes number 41 rated company in the world. OKKKKKKKKKKKK
I hate steak. Seafood or Italian.
I am going with my parents so it has to be simple. Italian to them is spaghetti. Chinese to them is to split an order of Chicken Fried Rice at The Imperial Garden. The culture and fabulousness unforutnately started with me in my family. And I admit I like going to some of the Wisconsin "Supper Clubs".
Is Josies on Regent still around? If I recall that was kind of an old school italian place that was good.
How about Smokys on University? Is that still around? My parents did love going there years ago but I know haven't been in a long time, if it is till open.
It's famous right? Steaks, I know but it is more about my parents than me.
OK, we are going to Delmonicos, they menu is amazing although their website sucks.
Ann,
Oh, longer than that - 1990, I think. And when I read it, I had no idea what Wolfe looked like. I won't make great claims for it, and in truth I've not read it in probably seven years (haven't even taken it off the shelf in maybe three years before tonight), but it was important to me insofar as it arrived at a time that I was impressionable, it was (God help me) the first foray into feminist thought, and I'd like to think it at least pushed me in a positive direction.
I suppose now I'm duty-bound to provide some kind of quote, and opening it up now, it's a little overwrought compared to how I remember it (I'm sure you're familiar with this: you read something when you're impressionable and on returning to it later the sparkle has faded), but let me transcribe this passage:
"The surgical age's definition of female 'health' is not healthy. Are those aspects defined as 'diseased' actually sick?
"You could see the signs of female aging as diseased, especially if you had a vested interest in making women too see them your way. Or you could see that if a woman is healthy she lives to grow old; as she thrives, she reacts and speaks and shows emotion, and grows into her face. Lines trace her thought and radiate from the corners of her eyes after decades of laughter, closing together like fans as she smiles. You could call the lines a network of 'serious lesions,' or you could see that in a precise calligraphy, thought has etched marks of concentration between her brows, and drawn across her forehead the horizontal creases of surprise, delight, compassion and good talk. A lifetime of kissing, of speaking and weeping, shows expressively around a mouth scored like a leaf in motion. The skin loosens on the face and throat, giving her features a setting of sensual dignity; her features grow stronger as she does. She has looked around in life and it shows. ... The darkening under her eyes, the weight of her lids, their minute cross-hatching, reveal that what she has been part of has left her in its complexity and richness. She is darker, stronger, looser, tougher, sexier. The maturing of a woman who has continued to grow is a beautiful thing to behold.
"Or, if your ad revenue or your seven-figure salary or your priveleged sexual status depend on it, it is an operable condition."
It's a little overheated, and the setup a little long, but the payoff's lacerating for it. Wolfe adds that
"[i]f you could make a million dollars a year ... by doing so, then female fat can easily enough be called a disease. Or it can be seen for what it is: normal, since even the thinnest healthy women have more fat than men. When you see the way women's curves swell at the hips and again at the thighs, you could claim that that is an abnormal deformity [to be remedied by surgery]. Or you could tell the truth: 75 percent of women are shaped like that, and soft, rounded hipos and thighs and bellies were pereived as desirable and sensual without question until [very recently].... Women's flesh, you could acknowledge , is textured, rippled, dense, and complicated; and the way fat is laid down on female muscle ... is one of the most provocative qualities of the female body. Or you could turn this too into an operable condition.
"Whatever is deeply, essentially female - the life in a woman's expression, the feel of her flesh, the shape of her breasts, the transformations after childbirth of her skin - is being reclassified [by surgery culture] as ugly, and ugliness as disease."
(I see it now as overheated, but I still like this pithy little quote quote: "Cosmetic surgery processes the bodies of woman-made women ... into man-made women.")
Titus, when are you in Chicago? I'm planning on being in town for a FedSoc event there on the 27th - coffee (and I do mean just coffee - I'm not your type. ;))
"I really couldn't care less about Thanksgiving."---Althouse
Charming.
Mancow show? Idiots. The worst morning show this side of Bob & Tom. My advice? Don't expect much. Don't worry about your dignity cuz who's going to be listening? A thousand times the listenership, and a fraction of the cumulative IQ of WPR.
Mancow?
Well, you take what you can get, I suppose.
Do they pay you for these appearances, or do you just do it for the fame?
I kid, Ann. I kid. I'm only concerned because you are well spoken and classy...and the Mancow show is not. I mean, his name is "Mancow" for crissakes.
My advice: don't fall for anything crude or tasteless...and hang up the phone if things get too offensive. He's no Howard Stern, but he's still a tool. And I actually like Howard Stern.
Why don't you care about Thanksgiving? It's my favorite holiday. I went to a "dry run" dinner the other night where we all brought our experimental dishes to try out on friends before we serve them with family on the big day.
Needless to say...my dish was a smashing success. I'll be making it on Thursday and on Christmas, my 2nd favorite holiday.
Best,
ZPS
I am in Chicago December 3 and 4. I am there for work and I will be in a suit. So if some here are expecting some feather boa and short shorts sorry-that is not in my wardrobe. Sometimes I think you all think I am a big queen. If I was a big queen I wouldn't get all the hot hog.
Believe it or not Simon I am not always on the look out for a hook up.
There is a time and place for everything.
I love Howard Stern. Lately, he has been riffing on Oprah and the whole school thing and it has been absolutely hilarious.
I'm always suspicious of people who proclaim how they "couldn't care less" about....something that a majority of people find reasonable, and worthy of acknowledgement.
If you are an American Citizen, living in America, and you know there are certain customs and traditions that a majority of Americans follow, then why not just go with the flow?
If Blogging is a service, and as such you are providing a service--stewardship....
Lord knows, what other charity, or philanthropic endeavors to you do?
We never hear about Althouse volunteer work to the needy and less fortunate, because this is it folks! She believes Blogging is all the charity and philanthropy she needs to provide.
As such, then you shouldn't ignore Thanksgiving.
Volunteering isn't all it's cracked up to be. Usually you have to deal with the homeless or drug addicts or minorities. And who would want anything to do with them?!
Titus, I am glad you'll be in a suit. I never find queeny guys attractive. Do you have a pic you can send me? You seem like you'd be dashing.
Cheers,
ZPS
Titus:
Sometimes I just want to adopt you. Not co-opt or control you. Adopt you, as in designate a place at the dinner table, and create a Christmas stocking ever after to be hung on the mantle, in your presence or absence. Etc.
Happy Thanksgiving!
reader_iam
Man boobs. Those make for good radio. Heh.
I think this is the year when Althouse is going to catch lots of flak for not doing Holidays.
If readers want Thanksgiving...than provide it!
If readers want Christmas, then you are obligated to do Christmas....or you can kiss those readers goodbye.
There are many other blogs, and not just mine....that are providing the requisite Holiday merriment.
Althouse: You won't get away with ignoring the Holidays this year !
Readers may have thought it was quirky/edgy last year and prior. But, this year is different.
"If you are an American Citizen, living in America, and you know there are certain customs and traditions that a majority of Americans follow, then why not just go with the flow?"
A dangerous attitude. Adopt this way of thinking and the ACLU is out of business. Reconsider, lawyers need to eat too.
Simon: "I still like this pithy little quote quote: "Cosmetic surgery processes the bodies of woman-made women ... into man-made women.")"
She commits a feminist error theyre: She assumes the doctor is a man.
Looking at the whole paragraph, I think her basic observation is mundane, and she tries to fancy it up, but ends up writing silly purple prose. It's a youthful style of prose, which makes her point more unconvincing than it already is. She doesn't really think women who look old are beautiful. A wrinkled face does show a lifetime of emotions, but why is she assuming the emotion will have been a lot of laughter? Because she's very young and is not even trying to get it right. It's pat and it's propaganda.
ZPS said "Do they pay you for these appearances, or do you just do it for the fame?"
I do it for fun and for a chance to get new readers. The fact that it's a different kind of audience is good for me. I like a mix of readers. And I respect the guys that can do shows like this and build and keep their audience. It's not easy, and they have to be smart, creative, and articulate. Even to sound like idiots horsing around. It's harder to do than an NPR show. I think that's obvious.
There is a right-wing talk radio show that I've done, that has a comic style, and I enjoy doing it. You say a few things and try to say them briefly and well, and you accept that the host is all about finding funny things to say when possible.
"Why don't you care about Thanksgiving?"
First, I don't have a big family that gets togethe, and I am divorced. Second, it's basically dinner, which you have every day, but it's supposed to be special. I prefer normal life. I think every moment is special and don't enjoy having some outside force telling me to make this special and to do it by following a social convention (which is NOT special). Third, I don't want the calendar telling me when I'm supposed to cook. And, in Madison at least, restaurants are closed, which makes flouting the convention especially difficult.
Titusik said..."I love Howard Stern. Lately, he has been riffing on Oprah and the whole school thing and it has been absolutely hilarious."
Me too. I even subscribe to Howard TV. He's quite brilliant at what he does.
And I hope you like Delmonico's. It's a very comfortable place to take your parents. Music of the Sinatra type. Decor: English club. But you sound demoralized lately. I hope you're okay. Or were you masking your feelings before and now beginning to reveal yourself? And why do you think people here pictured you dressed in a feather boa and short shorts? I can't remember anyone here every talking to you as if we thought like that. It's kind of insulting to us.
Maxine: "The believes Blogging is all the charity and philanthropy she needs to provide."
Almost true.
Barthelme had a nice riff on female aging in Snow White
Snow White
Ann - I'd merely reemphasize that I was, I guess sixteen or seventeen reading the book for the first time, so it seemed pretty good at the time. I'm guessing I'd probably not appreciate it quite so much today.
Titus - I wasn't suggesting you were, just being humorous.
"And [Titus,] why do you think people here pictured you dressed in a feather boa and short shorts? I can't remember anyone here every talking to you as if we thought like that."
I wasn't picturing him thus, but I will admit that part of the reason for the invite was because I'd be curious to see what this zany OTT persona's like in real life. :)
I also subscribe to Howard TV. He is the best.
No I am not demoralizedf. I love my fellow republicans here.
Now I am off to work making decisions that incredibly important will have an impact on individuals lives. I am a valued stock holder.
Do the Delmonicos people own all the fabulous restaurants in Mad City?
He said, son I've made a life out of reading people's faces
And knowing what the cards were, by the way they held their eyes
So if you don't mind my sayin', I can see you're out of aces
For a taste of your whiskey, I'll give you some advice:
Know when to walk away from the surgeon, and know when to run.
Josie's burned about 2 years ago. It's gone, but the building is still there. The Greenbush bar, a couple doors west, has good food, but a low ceiling.
If you don't like steak, don't go to the Tornado Room, Johnny Delmonico's, or Smoky's (it's still there).
I miss the Kenny Rogers chicken restaurants. Pretty good, for fast food.
For the people who have elective plastic surgery there is a very sad element to it.
We are all dying. Mutilating one's own body isn't going to change that. It's only dealing with the apparent reality rather than dealing with a deeper a truth which all of us know on some level but many won't/don't deal with.
Titus:
I was not making fun of you with my comment. You made me laugh last night, which I needed and appreciated.
Also, maybe you should host a meetup in Chicago!
I won't be in Chicago for quite a while, I think. It's where I go when I'm in Madison and feel like I need some city. Kind of the complete opposite of my current situation.
Maybe a meetup in Madison, which I've never done.
I'll chip in, as I always do, my support for a Chicago area meetup at some point in the future. But that said, I think there's enough interesting Madison-area commenters who might attend a meetup that I'd almost say I'm willing to go the extra couple of hours to get to a Madison meetup.
Actually, Althouse, in this instance I was referring to Titus.
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I'm closer to Madison than to Chicago, and the drive is prettier, but either is relatively close. That said, I'm not sure I'd attend a blogger meetup at this stage, though there was a time that I might have--absolutely no offense intended.
Bummer: No discussion about the Texas shooter Ann referred to at the end of the post. A fascinating case. The guy was absolutely itching to shoot those people. Frightening. The tape of the 911 call makes it plain that this guy was in no danger, not the least bit fearful, and really WANTED to kill those people.
Gun people buy there guns and spend years fantasizing about using them. They hold them, clean them, caress them, thinking about and waiting hopefully for that day to come when they can act out the fantasy they have imagined so many times, over so many long years: pointing and shooting and killing the bad guys.
It will be fascinating to see if he gets away with it.
One old line I have been carrying around in my head for many years is, "this isn't a court of justice, son. It's a court of law."
The Bush years have made those words real to me. The law isn't some nobel fullfillment of man's desire for justice. It's the codification of whatever we agree to as a people (and produce through our legislative process).
And it appears that if Texas folks want to make it legal to shoot people in the street, well, then, that will be legal.
My bet is he will get away with his cold-blooded act.
And my second bet is that to whatever extent the authorities attempt to hold him accountable, he will be held up as a hero.
Because in many parts of the country, tasting blood and wanting to murder are admirable traits.
The bottom line is that some people just like killing. We think killing is supposed to be repugnant. But the reason there is such a strong social sanction and taboo against it is not because we find it abhorrent, but because so many people LOVE to kill. The social sanction is simply an attempt to keep that instinct from getting out of hand, to CONTROL the killing.
Seems like Mr. Horn should go to prison.
He was not acting in self-defense, i.e. his life was not in imminent mortal danger.
He wasn't protecting his own property, as is allowed under Texas law.
If he had actually gone into the house to try to rescue its owners, whose lives he might have thought were in immediate danger, I'd reach a different conclusion.
"He wasn't protecting his own property, as is allowed under Texas law."
Actually, under Texas law, the use of deadly force is allowed to protect the property of a third party. See section 9.43 of the Texas Penal Code (http://tlo2.tlc.state.tx.us/statutes/pe.toc.htm).
I don't know enough about the facts of this case to say for certain whether this applies, but this man certainly picked the right state for vigilante justice.
Reader - I would think that Ann's process of announcing by email would filter out the sorts of folks who might pose problems?
Wondering. Speculating. If Althouse does a "meetup" in Madison, surely it will be at her place ....
And guests will, at last, get to see the Althouse living conditions....
Yeah, that's real likely, Maxine. Prof. Althouse's gonna invite a bunch of blog commenters, some of whom are clearly batsh!t crazy, over to her home.
Sure.
Do you listen to the Mancow radio show? I'm going to be on it tomorrow, around 7 am ET, talking about — of all things — plastic surgery. Click on the tag "plastic surgery" to see what I've said on the subject (and why they want to hear from me).
I'm not sure what a "mancow" is, but it sounds like something that would involve a lot of plastic surgery.
Unfortunately, I don't do 7 AM...I'm not even sure there is such a time.
Well reader, if you come to the next Brooklyn meet up, I promise to be your bodyguard. Not like Kevin Costner though. More like Brian Dennehy with gravy stains on his shirt. But effective none the less.
That doesn't seem at ALL like self-defense to me, nor justified. That guy should have stayed in the house.
Very gallant, Trooper, and I do thank you. But both you and Simon appear to be assuming my concern is the attendance of others and how they might comport themselves. It's not.
So you are going to get drunk and hit on Titus?
Mancow does his show in Chicago and yet is not on the air in Chicago. And that is as it should be. So there are people still listening to him somewhere? Hard to imagine.
I would not tell anyone, if I were to be on that show. But that's just me.
Yeah, pretty sure "Boom, You're dead" before shooting isn't going to help his case. Sounds like he had any number of options that the one he took. It also sounds like if he had waited a minute, the cops would have arrived and handled things.
"Gun people buy there guns and spend years fantasizing about using them. They hold them, clean them, caress them, thinking about and waiting hopefully for that day to come when they can act out the fantasy they have imagined so many times, over so many long years: pointing and shooting and killing the bad guys."
I appreciate your insite in reading the minds of "gun people". Now that I know what I am supposed to think, I will try to do better.
Unfortunate you were only on for a minute, but also consider the number of times he mentioned your name prior to your appearance
When I saw the heading I thought it was going to be a picture of the professor sitting on Lucky's lap. Dodged a bullet there didn't we.
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