Senator Kennedy just made a big scene about requesting some Library of Congress papers having to do with the activities of the Concerned Alumni of Princeton. Alito has been consistently downplaying the significance of that organization to him, even though we all know that he used it as a credential in applying for a job in the Reagan Administration back in 1985.
What is the relevance of these papers? They could provide some basis for making an inference about what Alito really knew about CAP, but it is rather marginal. Kennedy tried to bluster his way toward portraying the papers as a smoking gun that would prove Alito a racist, a sexist, and a liar. He seemed to want to trip up the hearings and grind them to a halt. He asked to take the committee into executive session to decide whether to issue a subpoena. Specter tried to quell him, but that just fired him up, so Specter locked into I'm-the-chairman mode, said he wouldn't rule, and when Kennedy said he appealed the ruling, said he hadn't ruled, banged the gavel, and set up the seemingly shaken Senator Grassley to return us to normal-style questioning.
Whew! That was ugly... but kind of funny too, especially the part where Kennedy said Specter received his notice that he was requesting the documents, and Specter got all huffy about how Kennedy was in no position to say what he (Specter) had received, and Kennedy countered with his authority to say what he (Kennedy) had sent.
UPDATE: Joe's Dartblog has the transcript and some choice words for Kennedy.
ANOTHER UPDATE: After the lunch break, the mood is quite different. Kennedy is whipped, looking down, speaking in a circumspect tone. Specter is smirking and quietly triumphant. Very amusing!
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It makes for good theater. Democrats must realize that defeat is becoming inevitable... just as victory in Iraq is becoming inevitable. It may be a bad year for Democrats.
According to NRO, those papers have already been combed over by the NY Times.
http://bench.nationalreview.com/archives/086800.asp
Ann I just heard you on Minnesota Public radio. Great job.
A chairman of a Senate Committee has a lot of power if he has the guts to exercise it. Sounds like Specter will exercise it.
It is rather silly for Kennedy to want to subpoena the CAP documents. The Democrats have already spent $10 million dollars finding every piece of paper that Alito touched and every paper ever issued by CAP.
Kennedy has those documents in his office and everyone knows
"blocking scores" ??
We are not considering Clinton nominees, or what mistakes or missteps Republicans may have made in regards to them. We are considering the record and abilities of Judge Alito. What, during these hearings, or in general of what is known of Alito's record, could be the basis of opposing Judge Alito's confirmation? Little, as far as I have seen. The Democrats know they have little sound reason to oppose this nominee. They're grasping at straws.
Perhaps you should TIVO some more. Think Progress says that UPDATE: Sen. Kennedy just introduced Specter’s reply to his December 22 letter into the record. So there is proof that Specter did get the letter.
If this turns out to be the case will you update your post and link to Think Progress?
It is relevant of course since the fine legal mind that is Alito that can remember everything about everything legal just cannot remember his various promises, or his membership for eight years in a hate group that he proudly put on a job application. You don't actually buy that do you?
Joe's Dartblog shows Joe doesn't understand the issue. Kennedy didn't just fabricate the issue. He asked for these papers quite awhile ago. CAP is not a strawman. Whether Alito is a serial liar or not goes to his character and goes to whether this fine legal machine should be on the court.
Ann, your linking to Joe is a fine example of the misleading glennolink.
And now if Blogger posts this today (lots of errors coming from blogger) I will be pleasantly surprised.
Word Verification Image: "Verification Image" Sigh. I don't think posting this is going to be easy.
FD, did Republicans refuse to vote for Clinton's SCOTUS nominees? The SCOTUS and the nomination and confirmation process for SCOTUS are held in somewhat higher regard than, say, the Surgeon General, an entry level federal judgeship, or the Assistant Undersecretary for the Developement of More Secretarial Assistant Undersecretaries.
While there were some Republicans that voted against Clinton's SCOTUS nominees, there was no serious effort to filibuster Clinton's nominees. Nor should there have been.
Further, before getting in a giant huff that Prof. Althouse isn't IMMEDIATELY answering your questions, please consider that she does have another job.
And FD, it would be King George III. Try and keep up.
Perhaps you should TIVO some more. Think Progress says that UPDATE: Sen. Kennedy just introduced Specter’s reply to his December 22 letter into the record. So there is proof that Specter did get the letter.
If this turns out to be the case will you update your post and link to Think Progress?
Yep, Quxxo, that's a fine GOTCHA! VERY compelling. I think I'll change my party affiliation to the CPA now. Perhaps we should have all Republicans burned at the stake for this most EGREGIOUS and HORRIFIC CRIME AGAINST HUMANITY!
And who the hell updates a comment before posting and then posts it with the word "UPDATE" in it? I mean really, that's just absurd.
FD, did Republicans refuse to vote for Clinton's SCOTUS nominees?
No, but that is because one of his nominees, Ginsburg, was nominated upon Sen. Hatch's suggestion after Hatch told Clinton that his first choice would meet with strong resistance among Republicans, and the other, Breyer, was relatively moderate (certainly if you compare him to predecessors such as Scalia on the right and Brennan on the left).
The SCOTUS and the nomination and confirmation process for SCOTUS are held in somewhat higher regard than, say, the Surgeon General, an entry level federal judgeship, or the Assistant Undersecretary for the Developement of More Secretarial Assistant Undersecretaries.
Isn't that a reason to subject such a nomination - for a lifetime appointment, I might add - to greater scrutiny, not less?
Alito's application statement is two pages of this PDF, hosted at PFAW, People for the American Way, on pages 15 and 16. As you can see he proudly states he is a member of two organizations, the Federalist Society and CAP. But now he cannot remember.
Word verification: scalito (I swear!)
Beyond a political "gotcha" moment, I'm afraid your argument is rather pointless to the entirety of the situation.
So he was in an organization that the thought stood for something, found out it stood for quite another and has moved away from it.
Hardly what I'd consider a setback. Your chicken little routine does amuse though.
Isn't that a reason to subject such a nomination - for a lifetime appointment, I might add - to greater scrutiny, not less?
Well, sure, if you consider greater scrutiny to mean Senators being a bunch of dumbassed blowhards. 'Cause that's all we get out of the Senate. (That is a condemnation of Senators from all parties, BTW.)
The real scrutiny has already taken place. Everyone from the ABA and the Federalist Society to my great aunt Malva Cheesegrater have gone over his records. No one has said he isn't qualified as a jurist. But many object SOLELY because they percieve that he will not vote for their party platform. That hardly speaks well of the critics. (And it doesn't speak well of the Republicans when they do the same thing the other way.)
No, but that is because one of his nominees, Ginsburg, was nominated upon Sen. Hatch's suggestion after Hatch told Clinton that his first choice would meet with strong resistance among Republicans....
I will note that Bush actually consulted with the Democratic Senators and choose one of their top selections: Harriet Myers.
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That REALLY makes a good case for not listening to a damn thing (most of) these Democratic Senators have to say about Alito's qualifications, or lack thereof.
Quxxo...
I generally don't respond to comments like yours, and especially when they come from people unwilling to sign their name to them.
But you demonstrate that you, in fact, do not understand "the issue."
Senator Kennedy expended almost all of his thirty minutes attacking CAP as an organization. He used outrageous CAP quotes and then asked Alito if he'd read them, even after Alito said he wasn't a functioning member and never read the Prospect magazine. He outlined CAP's more wild stances on admission practices, even after Alito said he disagreed--strongly--with those views.
Kennedy was, indeed, using CAP as a strew man. Alito said he disagreed with CAP and never would be a part of an organization which opposed co-education and took anti-homosexual attitudes. Kennedy continued to attack CAP.
CAP, CAP, CAP.
Not Alito, Alito, Alito.
It is a classic case of projection. Or, in this case, hopeful projection on the part of Kennedy.
His purpose in demanding the Library of Congress documents (Since when do we need executive sessions and subpoenas to get material from LoC?) is not to prove Alito was in the organization--we know Alito was a member in name only, but he has said he wasn't active, disagreed with most of the opinions attributed to CAP, and he recalled that the only CAP position he agreed with was the pro-ROTC position. Kennedy's purpose is to delay, grandstand, make a fuss, and, eventually, filibuster.
Pay attention next time, and remember that youthful membership in activist college organizations does not an unfit justice make.
-joe
sounds like a Nexium commercial:
"Do you suffer from the pain of Ted Kennedy flaring up again and again?"
...do I ever!
Kennedy is a shameless boob, and the Dems resident bomb thrower. He's launcing this CAP red herring because no one else would.
What does he care? His reputation is shot, but that's nothing that a quart of Chivas can't fix.
"Alioto" is a slam dunk.
I find myself on all three sides of this question.
I agree with Kennedy's request: I think the Judiciary Committee should subpoena those documents. Alito has said he has no objection, and I very much doubt that Kennedy is going to find anything that helps his cause in there; there is no security issue, and this is entirely a dillatory tactic, an attempt to provoke the majority into wasting time fighting Kennedy's motions. So we should indulge the request.
On the other hand, while I support the substance of Sen. Kennedy's request, we should distinguish between the substance of the request, and the brusque and surly manner in which Kennedy attempted to present his request, for which I believe Sen. Spector (who I do not like, for the record, and so have no inclination to defend) slapped him down, very appropriately, I believe.
For what it's worth, on the underlying question, if I believed that the married Italian-American Alito were the woman-hating racist that Kennedy is attempting to smear him as, I would not support him, period. Kennedy is entirely right that such views should disqualify a person from the bench, but I would submit that if he - or the democrats on the committee - had any genuine or compelling evidence Alito was one of those things, they would have presented it by now in support of their argument. The job application reference to CAP scarcely qualifies as evidence of Alito's views then, let alone his views twenty years later; I think his behaviour since - in the U.S. Attorney's office and as a Judge - should carry far more weight than the guilt by association effort of the Senator from Massachussetts, and I can only assume that the focus on these non-issues like CAP and Vanguard is the result of a paucity of available ammunition.
Past membership in a hate organization hasn't seemed to hurt Senator Byrd, former Kleagle for the KKK.
Let's say Alito was a fully active member. The Byrd rule says we give him a pass, no?
David:
"There is no evidence in the record that upon discovering what CAP stood for, Judge Alito distanced himself from it."
As I understood Judge Alito's answer (the first time he gave it despite the fact that virtually every Senator has asked him the same questions over and over again - do Senators actually pay attention to one another's questions?), he only learned of the undesirable views of CAP - with which he has not been associated for many years - during his prep for the SCOTUS hearings. During his hearings, he has repeatedly denounced CAP's purpose, and explained the basis for his involvement with them, to the extent it existed. Assuming that Alito is being honest about when he found out about CAP's undesirable views, is there anything he can or should have done other than denounce them at the hearings?
To add to Henry's comments about clubs, I can add a story from a friend that makes me trust Alito's answers.
Alito has said he that was piqued by the treatement of ROTC at Princeton, and associated his name with CAP premised on their opposition to said treatment, and that he was unaware of their other views.
I have a friend who went to college in England at the turn of the century; now, prior to 1998, the English didn't pay tutition fees (or rather, the state paid), and their national students' union campaigned to overturn that law. Many students did not feel the union was doing a very good job, and so an organization was founded to demand the union do more. That same organization attracted heavy involvement from, including at the leadership levels, revolutionary socialist groups. My friend joined that organization because she wanted the union to campaign for free education, not because she subscribed to (or was even aware of) the socialist views of other members, which were increasingly advanced by the group as a whole. I don't think she ever formally *left* the group, she didn't take out a full-page ad to denounce the group (as some of our friends on the left seem to desire of Judge Alito), just paid no further attention to it.
Likewise, I think that's the situation with Alito. He was pissed at the attitude of Princeton towards the ROTC, and at least one of CAP's views was in support of ROTC. I can fully believe that he did not inquire as to their other views, or - even if he did - that he did not subscribe to them.
Let's say Alito was a fully active member. The Byrd rule says we give him a pass, no?
Only if the people of New Jersey elect him.
It is depressing to read all the invective towards the Senate in this thread.
MadisonMan, why is all the Senate-directed invective depressing? Becuase it's of such poor quality? We can't improve it if we don't know the reason for your complaint!
Concerning Alito putting his CAP membership on his resume: Was this a resume for his job in the govenrnment? If so, isn't a potential high-level hire required to list every organization he's ever been a member of? I could read up to find out how Alito mentioned his CAP membership in his resume, but I'm hoping someone can spare me the trouble. Really, what a boring issue.....
Oh my god. My dad's still watching the hearings.
This is killing more brain cells than all the drinking I did in college.
Folks, I was an econ major and this is boring me to death.
Here's a plausible explanation for Alito putting CAP on his resume, courtesy of Al Franken (I'm ducking under my desk while the right wingers on this thread react to the mention of Franken's name). He highlight his CAP membership because he was a racist or a sexist. He did it in order to curry favor with the people who were considering him for a job the Reagan Justice Department, who themselves were racist and/or sexist. If that's what truly happened, it doesn't help my opinion about Alito as a person, but it probably doesn't disqualify him to serve on the Court.
I think I was reacting more to the Dick Drubin commentary in the other comment stream. Senators as a rule are not dumb as a post. Dumb people do not get elected. If you are smart enough to get elected to a state-wide or country-wide office, you are not dumb. Sorry to conflate the two commentary streams.
Calling an opponent stoopid is just plain lazy in my book.
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Ugh, Schumer is intolerable. How were other Democrats like Feingold able to sound so reasonable in their exchanges with Judge Alito yet Schumer sound like such a bastard? He's practically screaming.
This CAP thing is getting so tiresome. Can we talk about law?
Todd Zywicki at The Volokh Conspiracy points out the creepy similarities in these exchanges:
SENATOR MCCARTHY: Not exactly, Mr. Chairman, but in view of Mr. Welch's request that the information be given once we know of anyone who might be performing any work for the Communist Party, I think we should tell him that he has in his law firm a young man named Fisher whom he recommended, incidentally, to do work on this committee, who has been for a number of years a member of an organization which was named, oh, years and years ago, as the legal bulwark of the Communist Party, an organization which always swings to the defense of anyone who dares to expose Communists.
[snip]
MR. WELCH: Until this moment, Senator, I think I never really gauged your cruelty or your recklessness. Fred Fisher is a young man who went to the Harvard Law School and came into my firm and is starting what looks to be a brilliant career with us . . . . Fred Fisher said, "Mr. Welch, when I was in law school and for a period of months after, I belonged to the Lawyers Guild," as you have suggested, Senator. He went on to say, "I am secretary of the Young Republicans League in Newton with the son of Massachusetts' Governor, and I have the respect and admiration of the 25 lawyers or so in Hale & Dorr."
To draw a more edifying parallel, Ruth Bader Ginsburg was confirmed 97-3 by a Republican-controlled Senate, despite her prominent role in the ACLU, an association most Republicans would consider radioactive if attached to their own resumes. Republicans proved themselves far more fair and objective than the 22 Democrats who voted against Roberts (on what grounds, again?) and will most assuredly fulminate equally against Alito.
Investigative article in the Daily Princetonian
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Madison Man,
Unfortunately, intellect is not a prerequisite for election, even to a national office. In order of importance it takes 1. money, 2. connections 3. a thick skin 4. a modicum of charisma 5. enough sense to come in out of the rain.
That said, you're mostly right, and we're mostly joking. Senator Durbin isn't dumb as a post, although you'd probably not get that impression based on his asinine comments. He's merely mediocre in the brain power department.
Icepick:
"Concerning Alito putting his CAP membership on his resume: Was this a resume for his job in the govenrnment? If so, isn't a potential high-level hire required to list every organization he's ever been a member of?"
You know, that's exactly what I was wondering. It hadn't occurred to me until I was on my way home tonight, and NPR was saying that Alito bragged about it on its application form. And that comment was so transparently partisan that I found it irresistably hilarious, but having thought about it, I realized that I've broken my own cardinal rule and never been to the source. So I really don't know in what context it was mentioned on the application, and it does seem to me that this point from Icepick is a very good one and an important one. We need to see the original application form.
Simon, just to be clear, I don't know that he didn't brag about it. I'm just curious as to the context, and too lazy to look it up.
It appears a copy of the Alito application has made it way onto the net:
application
But Coco, that's the point.
The hearing itself is "without any real substantive points" and "are often attacks on [Alito's] character, past transgressions, [but not his]intellect that are wholly unsupportive of intelligent discussion or irrelevant to the topic at hand."
So, yes, it is depressing.
Coco,
Give me a break. Fat Teddy is desperate, and deserving of all the ridicule this sight can muster. There is no high principle here to debate. It's a common smear.
I'll stipulate that Judge Alito was, in fact, a member of CAP. T-shirt, the secret handshake, everything. So what? Fat Teddy somehow thinks that makes him a vicious, sexist, homophobe.
Here's a novel idea. Why not ask the people who know him best if he is? You know, the people he's worked with, friends past and present, clerks, attorneys who argued in his court. Ask men and women, liberals and conservatives, ask everyone. Oops, they did that already and came up with nada.
Which is more compelling--direct testimony of real human beings who know the Judge well, or some vague association with a ridiculous alumni group from twenty years ago.
Fat Teddy is certainly slipping in the Borking department. Maybe he'll find a pubic hair somewhere.
Coco, it's not a smear to say that Ted Kennedy's actions led to the death of Mary Jo Kopechne. That's a fact.
It is a smear to imply that Alito is a racist, sexist homophobe (or whatever) because he once mentioned CAP on a job application.
The Rusher papers were thoroughly examined by the NYTimes, and have now been made available to the Senate committee as well. Kennedy's call for a subpoena, demanding access to Rusher's private papers, albeit housed at the LoC, was nothing but showboating. He deserves to be excoriated for it.
Coco,
You said:
"I just find it bizarre that you take issue with Kennedy because he's a partisan hack (which he is) and yet the manner in which you do so makes you look like a partisan hack."
Precisely what are we to do with partisan hacks who sit on the Senate Judiciary Committee, who are Constitutionally bound to advise and consent to SCOTUS nominations? Sit idly by and let them smear a good man? When the gloves come off they come off. Or in the case of fat Teddy, the pants. Spare me your sanctimony.
And in case you didn't know it, this is a blog. If you want to be impressed go read Shakespeare.
The problem is that Kennedy's request won't change a single vote. Alito has enough votes for his nomination to be sent to the floor. And that is what matters right now.
Kennedy is trying to stall the nomination in any way he can. That is really all that he can do to keep those who contributed all that money to defeat Roberts and Alito at bay.
It is hard to believe that really new information is appearing this late in the game. And Kennedy is being the ultimate hypocrite, since he has no intention of voting for judge Alito, regardless of the contents of those papers.
"It is hard to believe that really new information is appearing this late in the game. And Kennedy is being the ultimate hypocrite, since he has no intention of voting for judge Alito, regardless of the contents of those papers."
While Sen. Kennedy has no intention of voting for Alito, and while he isn't looking for materials to justify voting for Alito, I think he is looking for the materials to justify not only voting against Alito, but to filibuster him. I actually mentioned at the time of the previous nuclear crisis (see No victory at all for democrats, 5/26/2005) that I thought the Dem leadership were not only trying to avoid a nuclear detonation, but were actively spoiling for it, militating for it. I believe that even more strongly now that we're in an election year: I would not be surprised in the slightest if they really do intend to try to provoke the nuclear option in order to use it as a rallying cry in the midterms, a sort of "go for broke" strategy. But of course, they can only do that (successfully, at least) if they can demonize the nominee beyond the pale, which is precisely what Senator Kennedy is looking for, something to justify the filibuster, something simple and direct that he can take onto meet the press and tell America that this isn't about politics, it's about proteting them from that terrible, terrible man.
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I referenced this in an update to my own post on the subject, but let me summarize here.
Sen. Kennedy mentioned he chaired this same committee when Judge Alito became Judge Alito 15 years ago (when rambling about the Vanguard stuff). That means that the Reagan era job applications were available and fodder for discussion back then. Either he was incompetent, or knew these charges were meaningless.
(OK, the third, and likely, choice is that Sen. Kennedy was/is incompetent, and knew that these charges are meaningless as to Judge Alito's ability to be a capable jurist)
Can anyone explain to me how there is any probitive value in the private papers of a man who Alito didn't apparently know, on the basis that Alito subscribed to the magazine for whch that man wrote some things which we currently find unreasonable?
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