tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post905909118818723528..comments2024-03-29T04:47:37.037-05:00Comments on Althouse: Replacing the high school gym class with outside-of-school exercise monitored with a fitness tracker. Ann Althousehttp://www.blogger.com/profile/01630636239933008807noreply@blogger.comBlogger101125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-45448198040876638942020-01-07T15:44:11.511-06:002020-01-07T15:44:11.511-06:00The classes are taught like regular classes, but a...<i>The classes are taught like regular classes, but after the lesson they can engage with each other to work on problems</i><br /><br />Problem-solving by committee -- where everyone works on the entire problem at the same time, as opposed to team members each working on their own particular part -- has never worked anywhere and is often used as an example of how not to do things.Markhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07575021285669012791noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-89450060204634201062020-01-06T12:53:53.662-06:002020-01-06T12:53:53.662-06:00“ Blogger mockturtle said...
This sounds pretty re...“ Blogger mockturtle said...<br />This sounds pretty reactionary but I think:<br /><br />Schools should be single-sex <br />Students should wear uniforms<br />The curriculum should be rigid in its academic requirements. <br />By high school, non-academic alternatives should be offered for the non-college bound. <br />Courses in basic economics and finances should be required for HS graduation. <br /><br />Freedom is for adults, not for children.”<br /><br />I like the cut of your jib, sir. RobinGoodfellowhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10789931127997947127noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-43187029713690146022020-01-06T10:15:07.208-06:002020-01-06T10:15:07.208-06:00Ann Althouse said...I'll just gesture at the n...<i>Ann Althouse said...I'll just gesture at the next step: You could argue that students have a right to substitute outside-of-school monitored exercise for the traditional gym class. It's about physical autonomy and the power to resist demands that you do something with your body that you don't want to do, including taking off your clothes.</i><br /><br />Wouldn't the next next step be asking why students who don't want their bodies to be in the school building at all couldn't apply the same logic and substitute out-of-school monitored learning for traditional class attendance? Take classes A-C in the classroom in the morning and complete coursework for classes D-G at home/at the library/outside of school (online, etc).<br /><br />Isn't it a violation of bodily autonomy to be forced to be anywhere you don't want to be?<br />Isn't it a violation of bodily autonomy to be forced to do something like read or learn when you don't want to (being forced to engage your eyes and brain against your will)?<br /><br />I remain unconvinced that "bodily autonomy" is actually a primary concern--that preserving bodily autonomy is actually the highest principle of people who invoke it most often in arguments. <br /><br />HoodlumDoodlumhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17591221162603652473noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-7680442678842799012020-01-05T23:18:42.882-06:002020-01-05T23:18:42.882-06:00Sebastian said...
Which raises the question, is ...Sebastian said...<br /><br /><br />Which raises the question, is feminism anything more than the rationalization of girlish resentment?<br /><br /><br />Need you ask?<br /><br />The only question is whether the thing Althouse does is feminism.Nichevohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12591460407621898458noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-87912666988906851162020-01-05T19:21:54.122-06:002020-01-05T19:21:54.122-06:00Renee: The classes are taught like regular classe...Renee: <i>The classes are taught like regular classes, but after the lesson they can engage with each other to work on problems.<br /><br />This was attempted in my son's middle school class and just ended up in chaos. Too "chatty". It only works with motivates teens, not eleven year olds. I think it's more about the ability to give a chance to get figure out the problem.</i><br /><br />I don't understand what's special or "girly" about this. Didn't you ever just spontaneously get together with friends after school or in "study hall" to "engage with each other to work on problems"? You really needed a formal program with official approval to do this? Or never see the teacher after class for guidance in approaching a problem you were having difficulty solving?<br /><br />Again, are there really data showing these programs work to keep girls in STEM fields?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-34081051847249746082020-01-05T18:45:52.788-06:002020-01-05T18:45:52.788-06:00Angle,
The classes are taught like regular class...Angle, <br /><br />The classes are taught like regular classes, but after the lesson they can engage with each other to work on problems. <br /><br />This was attempted in my son's middle school class and just ended up in chaos. Too "chatty". It only works with motivates teens, not eleven year olds. I think it's more about the ability to give a chance to get figure out the problem. <br /><br />I am not about holding kids back one way or the other, I felt at a certain point it wasn't worth the bother to learn maybe or science because I wasn't a fast learner. They just dumbed it down. Now somethings I may never get, but let me figure out what I can in a high school setting. Reneehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03852754398007790428noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-77600353752719417822020-01-05T16:31:48.823-06:002020-01-05T16:31:48.823-06:00Oh, as to tracking and all that-- fuhgeddaboudit. ...Oh, as to tracking and all that-- fuhgeddaboudit. Just another techtopian snare.<br /><br />Narr<br />Snare, for user and useeNarrhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14043247682000851606noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-60604450571680388072020-01-05T14:32:48.805-06:002020-01-05T14:32:48.805-06:00See? We. Are. Doomed.
I'm trying to recall wh...See? We. Are. Doomed.<br /><br />I'm trying to recall whether our required JROTC (two years) in high school exempted us from PE, as the required two semesters of ROTC did when we got to the overgrown teachers college down the street.<br /><br />I honestly can't remember--I'll have to ask my dwindling band of old pals. <br /><br />Gym class [7th-9th for sure] was mostly a bore, humiliating only if you cared. I detested the coaches, who were a feeble and in some cases pervy crowd. I avoided pariah status only because I was willing and able to play football--and not that badly--when we had a choice. The others soon learned that despite my height I was lousy at basketball and had no desire to get better--which I could see leading to an endless spiral of playing basketball--so I was chosen last and played little.<br /><br />Academics weren't much different when I think about it. My standardized test scores were always REALLY HIGH (in all modesty, if they hadn't been I never would have gotten into Podunk U) but in the female pattern: better on verbal than math. My grades were Bs and Cs usually, with a sporty A or F once in a while . . . I figured out averages real quick.<br /><br />My wife on the other hand was a scholarship girl at a RC girls' school, and by dint of sheer grind was 6 or 7 of 42 in her class by GPA. (I was in the top half of mine, and I took the least challenging courses I could and still graduate; I only skipped class once, but I did a lot of 'inner immigration' in class.)<br /><br />Certainly, when I hear rhetoric like Obama's from politicians about "remembering that great teacher you had in high school" I go, "No, I barely remember them as individuals at all, and greatness dwelled not therein."<br /><br />Narr<br />"A university is a collection of buildings around a library."Narrhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14043247682000851606noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-15509586179098429852020-01-05T14:26:11.591-06:002020-01-05T14:26:11.591-06:00"Failing that, why did you pass up the opport...<i>"Failing that, why did you pass up the opportunity to take calculus in college?"</i><br /><br />I didn't take calculus until I got to college and still ended up as a physicist and UW faculty. Not taking calculus in high school is not limiting.Original Mikehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01714345479248980398noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-58570386597489349992020-01-05T14:06:28.024-06:002020-01-05T14:06:28.024-06:00So why not learn physics (or whatever) on your own...<i>So why not learn physics (or whatever) on your own and just test in for credit?</i><br /><br />Teachers would rebel. I took second semester Inorganic Chemistry by exam. I was already accepted to medical school so didn't care about the gradeMichael Khttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18127450762129879267noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-80117483702720511372020-01-05T12:58:24.245-06:002020-01-05T12:58:24.245-06:00Teaching geared to the lowest common denominator h...Teaching geared to the lowest common denominator has made us a stupid and uneducated nation which will only get worse with future generations, unless radical changes are made. mockturtlehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10507310332014103437noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-58839974540608560402020-01-05T12:55:40.972-06:002020-01-05T12:55:40.972-06:00I am very, very glad that "co-operative strat...<b>I am very, very glad that "co-operative strategies" for math were not in vogue. </b><br /><br /><i>Et moi</i>, Angle. Almost as bad as the Californian strategy of the 90's of 'the whole class gets the same grade'. mockturtlehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10507310332014103437noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-46497788279656429642020-01-05T12:20:23.683-06:002020-01-05T12:20:23.683-06:00Renee: This is why math/science taught in a coope...Renee: <i>This is why math/science taught in a cooperative strategy for girls in their teenage years helps them stay with math.</i><br /><br />Really? Not calling b.s., but I am skeptical. <br /><br />I went to an all-girl high school - a rigorous, old school kind of school. <br /><br />I am very, very glad that "co-operative strategies" for math were not in vogue. I always loathed "group work", and I don't think the super-bright girls in my calculus class would have appreciated having to slow down to "strategize co-operatively" with the less-than-brainiac kids in the class (including me) who were perfectly happy to work it out at their own slower (if adequate to standards) pace.<br /><br /><i>Naturally I think this would also drive a good group a boys nutty, so I wouldn't want to subject that to them either.</i><br /><br />I liked my all girls high-school, and I think single-sex schools are good environments for some kids, at certain stages of development. But I would have been a complete juvenile delinquent if subjected to a "girls prefer co-operative environments" regime, instead of the old school approach that I (mostly) got. (In fact, I *was* a complete juvenile delinquent to one or two young new hires who had the misfortune to get me in their class, who went in for the former.)Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-984646366231052442020-01-05T11:48:53.166-06:002020-01-05T11:48:53.166-06:00So, the principal told Althouse to stick to the dr...So, the principal told Althouse to stick to the dress code, and they made her take off her clothes for PE, and a teacher miscorrected a word, and by having to take gym she missed out on the calculus that she would have loved.<br /><br />Which raises the question, is feminism anything more than the rationalization of girlish resentment?Sebastianhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00505631054204611033noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-5949071612357061242020-01-05T11:37:28.910-06:002020-01-05T11:37:28.910-06:00During the 1950s and 60s (and 1970s in some parts ...During the 1950s and 60s (and 1970s in some parts of the country), we used to collect the girls' shower water for resale. Menstrual blood--which witches use to control people--made the water unsaleable.Darrellhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11277966379512526469noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-77364180298182943512020-01-05T11:36:17.333-06:002020-01-05T11:36:17.333-06:00reactionary (adj.)
1831, on model of French réact...<i>reactionary (adj.)<br /><br />1831, on model of French réactionnaire (19c.), from réaction (see reaction). In Marxist use, "tending toward reversing existing tendencies," opposed to revolutionary and used opprobriously in reference to opponents of communism, by 1858. As a noun, "person considered reactionary," especially in politics, one who seeks to check or undo political action, by 1855.</i><br /><br /><i>reaction (n.)<br /><br />"action in resistance or response to another action or power," 1610s, from re- "again, anew" + action (q.v.). Modeled on French réaction, older Italian reattione, from Medieval Latin reactionem (nominative reactio), noun of action formed in Late Latin from past participle stem of Latin reagere "react," from re- "back" + agere "to do, perform" (from PIE root *ag- "to drive, draw out or forth, move").</i><br />-- etymonline.com<br /><br />Progress: monotonic [unqualified] change.n.nhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04252447117532342957noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-8327912431976520742020-01-05T11:33:46.453-06:002020-01-05T11:33:46.453-06:00Ankle bracelets. That said, Alexa, Siri, Google, ...Ankle bracelets. That said, Alexa, Siri, Google, get a room.n.nhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04252447117532342957noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-16000198432993287442020-01-05T11:33:16.048-06:002020-01-05T11:33:16.048-06:00"I'm sure no one would cheat the system. ...<br />"I'm sure no one would cheat the system. I can see an enterprising person going to the gym and getting on a treadmill while wearing 10 Fitbits."<br /><br />They need a Fitbit that's more like the ankle monitor bolted onto criminals. Or just embed a chip down under the skin.<br /><br /><br />Bwaaaaaa<br /><br />Says the Constitutional Lawyer.<br /><br />That’s funny!Seeing Redhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00338495289040972548noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-4429434655816397512020-01-05T11:28:15.426-06:002020-01-05T11:28:15.426-06:00Swimming first class was not fun. Swimming first class was not fun. Seeing Redhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00338495289040972548noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-5108875616236817002020-01-05T11:19:04.925-06:002020-01-05T11:19:04.925-06:00And 'No Child Left Behind' was one of the ...And 'No Child Left Behind' was one of the worst and most destructive federal requirement of schools amid many. When the federal government commandeered our educational system in the 60's it rapidly tanked. mockturtlehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10507310332014103437noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-68523287639726046412020-01-05T11:08:58.772-06:002020-01-05T11:08:58.772-06:00This sounds pretty reactionary but I think:
Schoo...This sounds pretty reactionary but I think:<br /><br />Schools should be single-sex <br />Students should wear uniforms<br />The curriculum should be rigid in its academic requirements. <br />By high school, non-academic alternatives should be offered for the non-college bound. <br />Courses in basic economics and finances should be required for HS graduation. <br /><br />Freedom is for adults, not for children. mockturtlehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10507310332014103437noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-17790927363682791372020-01-05T11:07:06.195-06:002020-01-05T11:07:06.195-06:00My daughter was able to opt out of PE because she ...My daughter was able to opt out of PE because she was training for gymnastics about 25 hours a week. Before she opted out she was kicking everybody's ass in the fitness tests, including the boys'. In fact, the teachers usually had to tell to stop.JaimeRobertohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12080380710232902631noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-11379849287721965402020-01-05T11:06:54.309-06:002020-01-05T11:06:54.309-06:00Maria Montessori was first woman doctor in Italy. ...Maria Montessori was first woman doctor in Italy. She would not be allowed to practice medicine and was put in charge of daycare for children. She developed education methods which advance kids in her care beyond expected. She is not popular with pedagogy professionals. <br /><br />I would like to see discuss comments from Who knows about her.Narayananhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03007500560335813723noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-30558370026159464582020-01-05T11:02:02.921-06:002020-01-05T11:02:02.921-06:00So why not learn physics (or whatever) on your own...So why not learn physics (or whatever) on your own and just test in for credit?<br /><br />Actually, I was glad I had to take gym because I wasn't good at it (as opposed to actual classes), and interacted with guys I would not have particularly known otherwise. I think I learned a lot from it.Michaelhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05957553963422292205noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-28961169070006384502020-01-05T10:48:26.838-06:002020-01-05T10:48:26.838-06:00Some nerds were traumatized by PE class. In my Hig...Some nerds were traumatized by PE class. In my High School, the only ones that got bullied were the gammas who didn't try and adopted an aura of superiority. Even if you were a complete washout, it was Ok - as long as you tried your best.rcoceanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17102201338319611538noreply@blogger.com