tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post8892827428753048100..comments2024-03-28T21:01:15.209-05:00Comments on Althouse: Conservatives keep trying to nose into professors' email.Ann Althousehttp://www.blogger.com/profile/01630636239933008807noreply@blogger.comBlogger165125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-84532392982990208422011-03-30T23:08:11.244-05:002011-03-30T23:08:11.244-05:00Freeman, BP is still in charge of some of the beac...Freeman, BP is <i>still</i> in charge of some of the beach and coast in south Louisiana; they have guards posted keeping people - reporters, citizens - off of public land. Weird.Bethhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16774002797359859550noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-54164329619108580122011-03-30T21:16:50.062-05:002011-03-30T21:16:50.062-05:00@Freemen Hunt: Also, it is so often the case that ...@Freemen Hunt: <i>Also, it is so often the case that almost all grant money, especially when government takes an interest, surrounding anything controversial runs one way.</i><br /><br />I eagerly await to see the statistics you've compiled on THAT.<br /><br />You can't rest on your extensive experience reviewing grant proposals; anecdotes are not data.Gabriel Hannahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12356186353979140904noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-17070358365807166842011-03-30T20:11:47.671-05:002011-03-30T20:11:47.671-05:00The University of Wisconsin at Madison has an oppr...The University of Wisconsin at Madison has an oppressive <a href="http://thefire.org/spotlight/schools/university-of-wisconsin-madison.html" rel="nofollow">speech code</a> for students.<br /><br />Food for thought.Revenanthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11374515200055384226noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-55763412900473840012011-03-30T19:50:23.374-05:002011-03-30T19:50:23.374-05:00During the BP spill, the government was willing to...During the BP spill, the government was willing to blatantly infringe on the freedom of the press in some cases (sending reporters away to disallow photography) and to simply fail to guarantee the freedom of the press in other cases (allowing BP to send reporters away to disallow photography.) The press is an industry specially equipped to blow the whistle on that type of behavior, so I can't imagine how much farther the state would be willing to go to further its chosen interests through less obvious channels (i.e. access to research information and grant money.)Freeman Hunthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16202310075717963694noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-55743804629459810852011-03-30T19:30:46.720-05:002011-03-30T19:30:46.720-05:00"When they came for the e-mails of tobacco co...<i>"When they came for the e-mails of tobacco company executives, I did nothing, because I was not a tobacco company executive. ...."</i><br /><br />Oh, <i>now</i> I see where this came from! Pogo tried out the Niemoellerian Glenn Beck thing. <br /><br />Jeebus! I always pegged you for a paranoid Beck-man! Nice to see it vindicated.Ritmo Re-Animatedhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15912086218531198114noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-80940069963633413222011-03-30T19:26:03.947-05:002011-03-30T19:26:03.947-05:00"Triangle Man said...
Those [tobacco company ...<i>"Triangle Man said...<br />Those [tobacco company executives] emails were made public though a subpoena."<br /><br />Just admit it, you want a double standard.<br /><br />Whether by FOIA or subpoena, the left wants to curtail freedom, but they themselves should be excuded.</i><br /><br />(Spits out beverage!) This is the most hilarious thing I've seen all week. Pogo conflates a fictional right to make money off products that harm people while hiding evidence of that harm (lawsuit free!) with the ability to engage in free inquiry at our universities. <br /><br />Dude, you're either nuts or really desperate. <br /><br />And I held my tongue through this entire thread. Even found some of it a bit interesting. <br /><br />Why did you have to ruin that with some obviously ignorant, self-serving BS? <br /><br />;-(<br /><br />Bad, Pogo! <i>BAD DOG!</i>Ritmo Re-Animatedhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15912086218531198114noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-70379084545525430442011-03-30T19:14:32.284-05:002011-03-30T19:14:32.284-05:00Speaking of unintended consequences (or were they?...<i>Speaking of unintended consequences (or were they?), has everyone seen the Sentinel Journal piece on the millions of dollars needed for crowd control/security during the Madison mob scene? Gateway Pundit has the story w/links.</i><br /><br />The multiplier effect.Phil 314https://www.blogger.com/profile/04133300763922742206noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-29700982693865358192011-03-30T19:11:21.373-05:002011-03-30T19:11:21.373-05:00I am glad this issue is getting processed in the c...<i>I am glad this issue is getting processed in the context of a conservative intruder on a liberal professor, because it will help build support for the position I favor: academic freedom for professors. Come on, all you liberals, commit to the academic freedom position. I want to rely on that in the future.</i><br /><br />Where were you when we needed <i>you?</i>Ritmo Re-Animatedhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15912086218531198114noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-53678847396830360952011-03-30T18:56:28.607-05:002011-03-30T18:56:28.607-05:00We saw this last summer with academics investigati...<i>We saw this last summer with academics investigating the BP spill and cleanup, ... </i><br /><br />Yes, the BP situation was and is another good example.<br /><br />I am not convinced that peer review is a sufficient safeguard because one would have to get grants to do research that might dispute the earlier results, and, depending on the interests in play, that might not be possible. Also, it is so often the case that almost all grant money, especially when government takes an interest, surrounding anything controversial runs one way.Freeman Hunthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16202310075717963694noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-87575581913536672992011-03-30T18:04:48.886-05:002011-03-30T18:04:48.886-05:00These jokers are always "chilled" that t...These jokers are always "chilled" that their free speech will be de facto curtailed. Are they chilled when conservative, libertarian or anti-jihadi speakers are shouted down?Francisco Dhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06352134756750456783noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-59653338851262747432011-03-30T15:51:52.668-05:002011-03-30T15:51:52.668-05:00Roesch -
They're busting your balls. It'...Roesch -<br /><br />They're busting your balls. It's something guys do to each other. Well maybe not inside the ivory tower. Have you ever seen that thing on TV, where guys make "whip" noises when one of their guy friends does something for his wife? Yeah.<br /><br />Sociologically, I would speculate that it's a sort of social test, to see if you react in the proper way (which is to either laugh it off or bust balls back.) Getting huffy and defensive fails the test completely.<br /><br />I'm sure Trooper York could tutor you if you need lessons for interacting with other men.Sofa Kinghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07659133819240484346noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-55926538496841474682011-03-30T15:44:27.091-05:002011-03-30T15:44:27.091-05:00Otherwise you can end up with situations where the...<i>Otherwise you can end up with situations where the academics are receiving money from these interests to produce research that promotes the further governmental power of such interests, allowing them to allocate even more taxpayer money for the production of such power-promoting research, and so on.</i><br /><br />We saw this last summer with academics investigating the BP spill and cleanup, and we're seeing it again with their continuing investigations of the dolphin and turtles deaths along the coast. In some cases, they're being given gag orders by the gov't, with the explanation being that their data needs to be used for the case against BP, but in other cases, BP was being given quite a bit of ownership over data, I'd assume to protect shareholders. <br /><br />Free sharing of information and research promotes peer review and more research, which is a good stay against the concerns you offer, Freeman.Bethhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16774002797359859550noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-89880540164692817652011-03-30T15:40:51.550-05:002011-03-30T15:40:51.550-05:00Alex since when is having lunch with your wife a b...Alex since when is having lunch with your wife a ball buster? You and ST seems to have creepy ideas in regarding the power of women. I guess when your wife asks you to pass the salt, you grab your groin for protection?roesch-voltairehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07802616989806761662noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-15458841299850801362011-03-30T15:00:55.170-05:002011-03-30T15:00:55.170-05:00Jim, we're talking about public universities, ...Jim, we're talking about public universities, so they're already tied in with government. The idea at issue is what kind of accountability they have to the taxpayers. Specifically, should the public be able to make FOIA requests for emails in the public university system, and more specifically, those sent to or from professors?Freeman Hunthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16202310075717963694noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-91498836139957058412011-03-30T14:58:54.883-05:002011-03-30T14:58:54.883-05:00Odd how the self-appointed champions of small gove...<i>Odd how the self-appointed champions of small government somehow manage to massively expand it every single time they get a chance to do so.</i><br /><br />We have to expand the government in order to shrink it. Don't you follow modern political theory?<br /><br />"We have to pass the bill before we know what's in it"<br /><br />"I voted for the war before I voted against it"<br /><br />"We can spend out way out of debt"Scott Mhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02459388007426664813noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-62964576708668391612011-03-30T14:54:10.733-05:002011-03-30T14:54:10.733-05:00Odd how the self-appointed champions of small gove...<i>Odd how the self-appointed champions of small government somehow manage to massively expand it every single time they get a chance to do so. </i><br /><br />It's called self-defense. We'll learning from the Alinsky-ites how to turn their methods back on them.Alexhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11205752419540502278noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-37237556078943992412011-03-30T14:53:08.019-05:002011-03-30T14:53:08.019-05:00My present wife is not in the sociology department...<i>My present wife is not in the sociology department, but she is a feminist along with many other attributes including being a wonderful conversationalist over the lunch we had together. </i><br /><br />Rephrase - my wife is a ball-buster and I enjoy it.Alexhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11205752419540502278noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-71065984515736316912011-03-30T14:40:34.635-05:002011-03-30T14:40:34.635-05:00who do you think should end up paying?
We've...<i>who do you think should end up paying? </i><br /><br />We've got to get Tubbs(& Crockett if necessary) busy writing those citations. That way the protesters can pay the extra security costs themselves. They should be more than happy to comply since it just represents more cash going to public employees. A win-win for everyone!Bushman of the Kohlrabihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02195084346440543676noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-81669811171324663832011-03-30T14:38:42.716-05:002011-03-30T14:38:42.716-05:00Shouting what a strange narrative you build that s...Shouting what a strange narrative you build that says more about you than me. I have been divorced once, shared custody for both children and remained friends with their mother so your story does not fit mine. My present wife is not in the sociology department, but she is a feminist along with many other attributes including being a wonderful conversationalist over the lunch we had together. I would email you about the content of the lecture, but mentioning the topic of the types of questions asked at press conferences, well you know the rules.roesch-voltairehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07802616989806761662noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-70182143447253745252011-03-30T14:37:27.888-05:002011-03-30T14:37:27.888-05:00Generally society should err on the side of academ...Generally society should err on the side of academic freedom (progress in some fields is impossible without it).<br /><br />Where the principle falls down is when the professor is or has been a major player in setting policy, especially when that policy is perilous or questionable (John Woo comes to mind) or when their findings are the main basis for a policy that results in loss of life or injury, & those findings are then found to be non-replicable or fundamentally erroneous.<br /><br />I can't see how either exception would apply to a history prof unless they'd previously been a big policy wonk. Even then, only relevant material should be considered as fair game for exposure.<br /><br />At present one of the most toxic trends in American law is that corporations - including multinationals - keep getting more freedoms (see Citizens United) while individuals keep losing them (see Military Commissions Act) - if the trend continues you will eventually wind up with mandatory corporate feudalism. Perhaps the best solution to preserving academic freedom is for universities to register themselves as corporations?<br /><br />Odd how the self-appointed champions of small government somehow manage to massively expand it every single time they get a chance to do so. <br /><br />Numerous recent state measures now seek to expand it right into women's wombs - & the relative silence from both left & right on the subject is deafening.jimhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06840719620959481121noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-90505507836244531942011-03-30T14:35:30.038-05:002011-03-30T14:35:30.038-05:00Triangle Man-
You said "
I doubt any pressure...Triangle Man-<br />You said "<br />I doubt any pressure [to protest] would be required from a professor, "<br /><br />Which is very different than what you are now saying, that each TA could make up his own mind.<br /><br />Your first implies the TA would protest.<br />Indeed, they should be able to make their own decision about whether they would protest. And of course, they are students in the department for which they TA. Which is exactly why a Professor should not be pressuring (encouraging) them to protest. Which is what my hypothetical was.<br /><br />Let's not pretend the answer is "Oh! How interested could a non-unioninzed professor be in those protests, anyway? "MayBeehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11966319657113124861noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-68675376616733838672011-03-30T14:24:16.391-05:002011-03-30T14:24:16.391-05:00labor studies departments
Aren't these all le...<i>labor studies departments</i><br /><br />Aren't these all leftist departments known to favor unions and any other leftist movement?<br /><br />And does anybody need to see their e-mails to know that?John McAdamshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04843727752066511266noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-19687321343050659642011-03-30T14:23:27.469-05:002011-03-30T14:23:27.469-05:00"Whatever the cost ends up being, who do you ...<i>"Whatever the cost ends up being, who do you think should end up paying? Taxpayers?"</i><br /><br />As a practical matter, who else is there?Original Mikehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01714345479248980398noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-10146825590009452482011-03-30T14:14:19.821-05:002011-03-30T14:14:19.821-05:00Wouldn't most of that sort of thing already be...<i>Wouldn't most of that sort of thing already be exempted under the exemption for personal communication?</i><br /><br />I think it depends on who gets to make the call.Triangle Manhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02287119175364820011noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-21975184055719781212011-03-30T14:11:01.266-05:002011-03-30T14:11:01.266-05:00What does that say about your assumptions and/or t...<i>What does that say about your assumptions and/or the people chosen to TA at Wisconsin?</i><br /><br />It says that the unionized TAs probably have a stronger personal interest in the outcome of the legislation than the non-unionized Professors and are therefore likely to make their own decision about attending the protest. TAs are graduate students, usually in the department or program in which the class is being taught. What are you trying to say about it?Triangle Manhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02287119175364820011noreply@blogger.com